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It's not my question -- it's the question raised by Dr. Margaret Chan, Director General of the World Health Organization which just finished up it first -- first? -- study of women's health.
Their verdict? Societies are still failing women. While women provide the bulk of health care, they rarely receive the care they need. Sound familiar?
Worldwide, WHO reports women do the caring -- at home, at hospital, at clinics -- yet those very same institutions fail them.
Take HIV/AIDS. Up to 80% of all health care and 90% of care for HIV/AIDS-related illness is provided in the home - almost always by women. Yet women remain uncared for, poorly protected and as a result, HIV is now the leading cause of death and disease among women between the ages of 15 and 44. Survive to older age, and the two leading killers of women are heart disease and strokes. Why? Because women show what one friend of mine was told were "atypical" symptoms. And as long as the male minority on the planet is considered the typical patient -- women will keep dying because of that fact.
Sound strident? No it's just common sense -- the WHO tries to win governments over by offering economic incentives to act: because women tend to live longer than men, better deal with their health problems now or pay more later.
But really. "We will not see significant progress as long as women are regarded as second-class citizens in so many parts of the world," Dr Chan said. Unequal power relations, she continued, "translate into unequal access to health care and unequal control over health resources." "What does this say about the state of social progress in the 21st century?" asks Dr. Chan. One can only wish she'd ask Rep. Stupak and the House Democrats.
Laura Flanders is the host of GRITtv which broadcasts weekdays on satellite TV (Dish Network Ch. 9415 Free Speech TV) on cable, and online at GRITtv.org and TheNation.com. Follow GRITtv or GRITlaura on Twitter.com.
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FLANDERS: "No it's just common sense -- the WHO tries to win governments over by offering economic incentives to act: because women tend to live longer than men...."
There you have it! All that whining.....
By the way, it's not just "tend to live longer than men" or `alleged', or `possibly'.....it's an actual, Inconvenient Truth!
Posted by Happy at 11/11/2009 @ 09:49am
wow, HIV is the leading cause of death and disease among women 15 to 44???
omg.
and christians still don't want widespread birth control?
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 10:06am
every public school on earth should show 13 year olds how to put a condom on.
and they should specifically show young women how to use their mouths to put a condom on.
the reason public schools should do it, is because parents (especially religious parents), almost never do this. there's a huge, irrational taboo, especially in this country, on sex education, or even just talking about sex.
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 10:08am
the taboo on abortion should also be lifted, and watch the burden on this planet be slowly lifted....
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 10:09am
posted by LAURA FLANDERS on 11/11/2009 @ 09:34am
Ms. Flanders:
I can't tell you how much you lose when you start a writing with all manner of profound facts, such as HIV/AIDS being the leading worldwide killer of women 15-44, and then immediately begin poisoning, dividing, and separating us with a sneering reference to "the male minority on this planet".
Why don't you just begin addressing men as "you people"? You'll certainly more directly achieve your goal of alienating men who would otherwise be deeply impacted by what you say, along with any woman paying attention to you who happens to have a positive take on men herself.
-- Seymour Friendly
Posted by syfriendly at 11/11/2009 @ 10:11am
syfriendly,
i think a lot of women are very recently (see: stupak) a bit fed up with *certain* men (not all men).......the domineering, professional, christian men who are currently running the program. we know who they are, as do you i'm sure.
but you're right. she could probably temper it down...
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 10:15am
Posted by Happy at 11/11/2009 @ 09:49am
Another brilliant "I gotta say SOMETHING, even if it's disjointed nonsense" William F. Buckley-style retort from Happ.
LOL
Posted by Mask at 11/11/2009 @ 10:49am
The treatment costs are increasing every year. The medicine manufacturers are making huge profits due to their high pricing. Governments around the world are silent spectators of this robbery.The multinational drug companies are not allowing third World countries, to manufacture these medicines citing property rights. No contraceptive ,including condom is 100% safe against AIDS.But a moral life will save.
Posted by Dastu11 at 11/11/2009 @ 10:55am
"But a moral life will save."----Posted by Dastu11 at 11/11/2009 @ 10:55am
Got any examples of that working in the real world, Dastu? If so, can we e-mail them to Bristol Palin and her mom?
Posted by Mask at 11/11/2009 @ 11:12am
we can most effectively take care of our own house.
we have been letting our own house fall into dangerous disrepair for years now.
lets fix it up first, then we can get about the business of realistically trying to save the rest of the world, or at least nudging it gently in the right direction.
single payer health care for all citizens - like the rest of the civilized world. free business from that extraneous burden...free all from a parasitic kraken that systematically drains resources as surely as any third world corruption.
help make american business competitive and efficient by instituting single payer health coverage. create a healthy work force, a business community capable of concentrating 100% on its business and not distracting social issues better handled by non profit public sector.
government CAN be business's best friend WITHOUT effing the schmuk - by taking from business onerous and distracting crap and thereby allowing business to do what it does - produce valued goods and services to be consumed sustainably by healthy employees who have enough REAL expendable income to afford such...
and while we're at it, how 'bout a little good gubbamint involvement in assuring portability of pension funds too...
as a progressive conservative i want a happy, secure, healthy society where consumers feel secure enough to responsibly consume my products and services, where stability reigns without ossification, where smart change is responsibly implemented - as opposed to dog eat dog style vicious anarchy and fear induced viciousness.
we are very wealthy and fortunate. huge gobs of wealth is ready to invest to retool our great nation. this time lets invest it wisely and build a house of stone upon a firm foundation.
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/11/2009 @ 11:33am
Mask, I meant one wife for life.I lead that life.
Posted by Dastu11 at 11/11/2009 @ 11:41am
the taboo on abortion should also be lifted, and watch the burden on this planet be slowly lifted....
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 10:09am
Darla, To these religious fanatics, the children are not of any concern in either case. Control is their main concern. In this case, it's control over a women and her partner's decision about a personal matter. These anti-abortion fruit baskets are also harming men as well as women by their moronic stance on birth control and abortion.
I saw a piece a month or so ago where one of these so called Christian family values adoption agencies treated the mothers to be like a piece of meat that was to deliver a baby so they could take their cut in the selling of said baby here in the good ole USA. There are people making money off the misery of teens, young parents who can't afford to have children and so on.
Most of these so called Christians have no intention of adopting these kids themselves, but boy are they big on forcing others to have children. They're all a bunch of hypocrites that don't have to deal with outcome of their foolish, selfish, stupid and religiously biased positions. But boy, they sure feel grand believing that they have some type of moral superiority or high ground with their feeble pea brain reasoning on the subject.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 11/11/2009 @ 11:45am
wow, HIV is the leading cause of death and disease among women 15 to 44???
omg.
and christians still don't want widespread birth control?
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 10:06am
1. In the US, HIV doesn't even reach the top 15 causes of death according to the CDC.
http://tinyurl.com/corxvd
What is occurring tragically, is that male homosexuals of all races are infecting women causing especially black women to have high infection rates. And the data shows that this is occurring mainly among young people which speaks to the change in sexual morality in this nation.
http://tinyurl.com/ycggq3a
2. I don't know where the left gets this idea that most Christians oppose birth control? I certainly don't oppose it and know few Christians who do so. None of the Christian ministries or Denominations I have belonged to ever condemned birth control. Even my Catholic friends don't oppose natural birth control (ie the rhythm method).
Posted by antisocialist at 11/11/2009 @ 11:49am
every public school on earth should show 13 year olds how to put a condom on.
and they should specifically show young women how to use their mouths to put a condom on.
the reason public schools should do it, is because parents (especially religious parents), almost never do this. there's a huge, irrational taboo, especially in this country, on sex education, or even just talking about sex.
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 10:08am
Darla, 10 out of every 11 HIV infections occurs in Sub-sahara Africa. (This is partly due to the broad misconception that sex with a virgin cures AIDS. This misconception is responsible for the epidemic of under-age rape in sub-sahara Africa.)
All you need to do is get yourself appointed dictator of Africa and you can solve over 90% of the world AIDS problem by going in to all the public schools and demonstrating how to put a condom on 13-year old boys with your own mouth.
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 11/11/2009 @ 11:58am
"In the US, HIV doesn't even reach the top 15 causes of death according to the CDC"
the theme is on the 'global' anti, not just the US.
"I don't know where the left gets this idea that most Christians oppose birth control?"
(question of the day)
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 12:00pm
Forever and always, "the left" you experience Larry is mostly just your own mind playing tricks on you. It's why you're here so often. Turn off your computer and make Christian love with it. Would you be gentle or rough with your imaginary inner Darladoon? Try it and report back later.
Posted by winyahn at 11/11/2009 @ 12:02pm
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/11/2009 @ 11:33am
Ibb, I agree that businesses should no longer offer health insurance, I just don't want that transferred to the govt. People should make their own decision on whether they need to purchase health insurance, what level of coverage if any to purchase, and have states provide a safety net of coverage to the uninsurable.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/11/2009 @ 12:05pm
In the Mayan theocracy of Central America between the 11th and 16th centuries. To appease a feathered-serpent god, maidens were drowned in sacred wells and other victims either had their hearts cut out, were shot with arrows, or were beheaded.
In Peru, pre-Inca tribes killed children in temples called "houses of the moon."
In Tibet, Bon shamans performed ritual killings. In Borneo builders of pile houses drove the first pile through the body of a maiden to pacify the earth goddess.
In India, Dravidian people offered lives to village goddesses, and followers of Kali sacrificed a male child every Friday evening.
In the Third Crusade, after Richard the Lion-Hearted captured Acre in 1191, he ordered 3,000 captives - many of them women and children - taken outside the city and slaughtered. Some were disemboweled in a search for swallowed gems. Bishops intoned blessings. Infidel lives were of no consequence. As Saint Bernard of Clairvaux declared in launching the Second Crusade: "The Christian glories in the death of a pagan, because thereby Christ himself is glorified."
If it weren't for these sacrifices, devilish women would be torturing heroic men en mass today.
Posted by winyahn at 11/11/2009 @ 12:11pm
the reason public schools should do it, is because parents (especially religious parents), almost never do this. there's a huge, irrational taboo, especially in this country, on sex education, or even just talking about sex.
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 10:08am
Actually, you couldn't be more wrong..as usual....we religous types teach our children to wait for sex and we teach them the dangers of sexual diseases...
and we teach our male children to keep their dicks out of other males asses, as that is not what they were design for...our young girls, not women, but girls, that condoms in the mouth are for whores and married or comitted people...not children, and any "rubber" items in their mouth should be balloons.
We teach our children that drug users and gay men have spread HIV/Aids around the world, that in many other cultures one can seem to break the social mores that spread aids amoung the women, from there into the family, and we teach our children that some behaviors are indeed ...wrong....and to use their own judgement based on our teachings, not the union school rep, and THINK before acting...
we just do not want our children getting their values and moral back bone from the school system, since they fail miserably at education and can't teach math or reading at grade level, therefore, last place they should put their failure history of edjacation... is..sex.
Posted by YourJomamma at 11/11/2009 @ 12:13pm
All you need to do is get yourself appointed dictator of Africa and you can solve over 90% of the world AIDS problem by going in to all the public schools and demonstrating how to put a condom on 13-year old boys with your own mouth.
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 11/11/2009 @ 11:58am
Nice....and true.
Posted by YourJomamma at 11/11/2009 @ 12:18pm
every public school on earth should show 13 year olds how to put a condom on.
and they should specifically show young women how to use their mouths to put a condom on.
the reason public schools should do it, is because parents (especially religious parents), almost never do this. there's a huge, irrational taboo, especially in this country, on sex education, or even just talking about sex.
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 10:08am
I don't want any minor knowing how to use a condom nor having sex for that matter.
I don't want schools teaching sex education, it's no business of the schools.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/11/2009 @ 12:19pm
White male teabaggin' Cons have the hots for Sara Palin and Michele Bachmann. As the attraction fails to achieve orgasmic release, compensatory anger and frustration builds. It's rogue baby!
Posted by winyahn at 11/11/2009 @ 12:29pm
In premodern and in modern times, the premodern brain worships, bows before, attempts to offer sacrifices to, and in a thousand forms is subject to the transcendent Goddess.
Posted by winyahn at 11/11/2009 @ 12:32pm
Mask, I meant one wife for life.I lead that life.
Posted by Dastu11 at 11/11/2009 @ 11:41am
I once thought about getting one of those, but I hear they're expensive.
Posted by schnellerheinz at 11/11/2009 @ 12:46pm
"I don't know where the left gets this idea that most Christians oppose birth control?"
(question of the day)
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 12:00pm
Let's see, I wonder where Liver sits on the abortion issue.
I have a different observation to make. I have yet to meet a non-religious person yet who was against the practice of abortions. The only people who are dead set against the practice are Christians. Good God Liv. Sometimes your lack of common knowledge on subjects is mind boggling. And, your backpedaling on the left getting the idea that most Christians are against abortion shows just how far you'll go in an attempt to make the left seem to be out of contact with reality, but the opposite is true. You are the one who's grasp of reality is at question on this topic.
You see, if you take religion out of the equation and remove the the belief that life begins at conception, the antiabortion crowd's argument falls to pieces. Is it considered murder to have your tonsils removed, and arm amputated, having a kidney removed etc? No and neither are abortions. Abortions and birth control remove potential lives, not existing ones. If you wish to make birth control illegal, then go all of the way and make masturbation illegal as well.....whoops, you guys would probably be all for that.....of course you would continue to do it in your closets at home, but that's only for you to know and no one else, right?! What you say other should do and what you do are two different things.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 11/11/2009 @ 12:50pm
Whoops, should be..
What you say others should do and what you do are two different things.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 11/11/2009 @ 12:53pm
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 11/11/2009 @ 12:50pm
What in the world are you talking about? I said that I'm not against birth control and that I know very few Christians who are against it.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/11/2009 @ 1:09pm
All this debate reminded me of something done decades ago by a great American about America-Mr Red Skelton
http://tinyurl.com/ychw9z7
I cried just watching it again.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/11/2009 @ 1:10pm
Posted by antisocialist at 11/11/2009 @ 12:05pm | ignore this person | warn this person
i'm not ENTIRELY opposed to a "private" solution, if it emulates holland or switzerland, but that's "private" but so regulated that...i kind of think, not sharing your (excessive imo) profound distrust of gubbamint, why not just make it public?
as i've said before i don't care if 19 year-old johnny i'm-gonna-live-4-ever prefers to spend his hard earned bling on a bag of pot and maryjane rottencrotch rather than pay for health insurance...i really don't. he's a frontally brain lobe deficient moron and although society should be ordered with morons in mind, is should not revolve around morons nor expect morons to make anything other than moronic decisions.
johnny's irresponsibility ends up costing everyone and to some extent must be factored into the equation.
i don't want a nanny state anymore than you. well maybe a LITTLE more, at least in this world. But having seen for almost two decades firsthand what a horrible job most "parents" are doing "raising" their kids...
some nannying may be unavoidable and god willing perhaps we can find some way to influence people to be more responsible...that's a big part of your job, shepherd, and i don't envy you for it.
but all bullshit and propaganda and posturing and preaching aside...i cannot look at the numbers and come to any conclusion but that a single payer, government supervised/regulated health care system is more efficient, better, and better for business by far than what we have now.
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/11/2009 @ 1:13pm
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 10:08am
Darla, if you had the mental capacity to actually raise a child, I would have no say in your demonstrating to your daughter how to use her mouth to put a condom on. My, YOUR family dinners would be fun! I'm certain that would make her extremely popular in the 16 to 23 male demographic. (In your sad mind, I'm sure that equals 'respect' for women.)
But your contention that our schools (government) provide that demonstration only shows your immaturity and incapability to have any position of responsibility to anything other than your own creature comforts. Thank God.
I think you are a hoot and I'm glad you are able to be you. What I wish is you weren't so hateful at everyone who isn't just like you. What's funniest is you can't even perceive your own bigotry!
But if I ever lose my mind and one day believe it would be respectful of my daughters to ensure they know how to orally apply a condom, you can bet you're my first call!!!
HAHAHAHAHA! = Laughing at YOU!
Posted by freiheit1 at 11/11/2009 @ 1:14pm
wealth redistribution is an unavoidable part of a healthy capitalist system. it helps restore enough fairness for the schmuk to be satisfied with his lot AND enables said schmuk to spend disposable income more comfortably.
with sane credit regulation for johnny buy-now-pay-never and dependence on real wealth generation as opposed to pure ponzi-bubble bullshit, a little wealth redistribution, such as public health care is businesses bestest buddy...
being wealthy costs money. deal with it whiners...the cream rises to the top in any system and if following rules and working your ass off is too much for you...
perhaps you're not as smart or worthy as you think you are...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/11/2009 @ 1:18pm
I would have no say in your demonstrating to your daughter how to use her mouth to put a condom on. My, YOUR family dinners would be fun!
Posted by freiheit1 at 11/11/2009 @ 1:14pm | ignore this person | warn this person
with all respect to darla, who i seriously respect and love...
i'd rather see a half burned out poor 60 year-old grandmother biology teacher with five more years to crank out for full retirement demonstrate such skills for her class of 35 sexually active hoodlums and girl-rillas - or some poor unfortunate assistant football coach...LMAO!!!!
but that's for laughs. i'd much prefer to see liv tyler demonstrate it about anywhere, but that's me...lol...
and no aspersion to darla, again... ;)
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/11/2009 @ 1:29pm
Posted by YourJomamma at 11/11/2009 @ 12:13pm
And again, Maasch....how is THAT plan working out for you guys?
Or shall we call up Bristol and see how young Tripp is doing?
Posted by Mask at 11/11/2009 @ 1:32pm
"I don't want schools teaching sex education, it's no business of the schools"
yeah, and they don't, which (as i already told you) demonstrates that birth control (a major topic/theme of sex education) is not accepted by christians.
see: freiheit, antisocialist, jomamma.
Posted by YourJomamma at 11/11/2009 @ 12:13pm
this is one of the most ignorant, hate-filled and moronic screeds i have ever read on the internet.
putting a condom on a penis, with one's mouth, is not disgusting, immoral, gross, lascivious, or anything of the sort.
it is a practical, useful and necessary tool for young men and women, so that they understand HOW IMPORTANT BIRTH CONTROL is in:
a) reducing pregnancy (and abortions)
b) stopping the spread of disease
these are FACTS.
why are you people so afraid of sex education??
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 1:47pm
in the sex-ed classroom, instead of a penis, you use a banana to demonstrate.
nothing disgusting about this.
and it's funny but both jomamma and antisocialist mentioned the spread of disease among gays and blacks......but somehow are repulsed by the idea of teaching young people HOW TO PUT A CONDOM ON.
that pretty much encapsulates the abysmal failure rate of abstince-only education across the globe (see jomamma's quote "wait for sex"). does it matter when you have sex, if you can't f*cking properly put a condom on?
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 1:49pm
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 11/11/2009 @ 12:50pm
Don't you see the flaw in your argument dude?
Conception is when the sperm fertilizes the egg. That is an action with a clear, scientific result. It is not a tonsil or a liver. It is a potential life because it is a life. That is not based on religion, it is science. You know science, right, it the thing you don't really understand, but use everyday to justify the destruction of western economies to save the planet. Remember? (haha, just kiddin' around with you.)
The potentiality does not exist merely because the sperm and egg exist, so your masterbation sidetrack is moot (and stupid). Sperm + nothing = life? Naw! Not even you can buy that, can you?
The whole abortion movement isn't really about "womens' rights" at all, any more than preemptive invasion of Iraq was about spreading democracy, was it?. It is about institutionalized population control, particularly population control of minorities and the poor.
But it is legal in this country because the courts said so. But that's not enough. You insist that we all fund this murder. Sorry, no sale.
Posted by freiheit1 at 11/11/2009 @ 1:51pm
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 1:49pm | ignore this person | warn this person
i don't know, darla...
i personally think jocelyn elders had a brilliant idea years ago when she recommended encouraging masturbation...
ENJOY!!!!!!!
but i don't think we're ready yet...
lets get some single payer health insurance for now then we can fight it out about mouth-bannana-condom stuff in schools...
i'll leave one to you...lol...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/11/2009 @ 1:56pm
that one, that is...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/11/2009 @ 1:57pm
"The whole abortion movement isn't really about "womens' rights" at all"
it has everything to do with women's rights. how could a fetus have every right to life, at the expense of the woman carrying it?
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 1:57pm
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 1:49pm
If you only have sex inside of the marriage relationship, you don't need to either know how to put on a condom or to ever use one.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/11/2009 @ 1:58pm
ibbleblibble,
masturbation is brilliant. that should be taught as well.....
the reason it should be done in schools is because parents almost never teach this sort of stuff, and there should be a scientific basis behind the teachings....
think i'm crazy? think again.
sex education is extremely important stuff, and is often a matter of life and death (and pleasure of course!)
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 1:59pm
nd it's funny but both jomamma and antisocialist mentioned the spread of disease among gays and blacks......but somehow are repulsed by the idea of teaching young people HOW TO PUT A CONDOM ON.
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 1:49pm |
If you look at the data, if homosexuals were not having sex and also infecting women and the same with drug users, heterosexual women would not be infected with HIV.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/11/2009 @ 2:01pm
"If you only have sex inside of the marriage relationship, you don't need to either know how to put on a condom or to ever use one"
YET EVEN MORE proof that antisocialist is technically opposed to birth control.
he wants people to be monogamous, long term relationships....an antiquated, arcane idea.
monogamy is nonsense. and it doesn't work for everyone....
and therefore, not teaching sex ed is impractical and dangerous...
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 2:02pm
Posted by antisocialist at 11/11/2009 @ 1:58pm | ignore this person | warn this person
"ok, look...this bannana represents the penis...you take the condom in your mouth...lk ths...uh...sheee?"
"will this be on the test?"
"ys, bt rmmblr fll th tetht you'll buh usng a pickle frm thu cfatria, ok? cn evrybody hre me?"
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/11/2009 @ 2:04pm
sex education is extremely important stuff, and is often a matter of life and death (and pleasure of course!)
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 1:59pm
A figment of leftist imagination.
I never had a sex education class and have no threats to my life sexually. And have had decades of great sex life within marriage.
In fact, polls show that not only do Christians on average have better sex lives than nonbelievers, Christian women statistically have more and better orgasms than nonbelievers.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/11/2009 @ 2:04pm
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lol - sorry about my adolescent antics, dear...
i remember my old man's sex talk. he was a old fashioned nice guy...came in one night at the insistence of my mother i think, seemed nervous...
"so...um...yer mom wanted me to...uh...talk to you about something...uh..."
oh shit!
"uh...they um...they...teach you that sex ed stuff in school these days, don't they?"
"uh...yeah pops..."
he sat there on the bed silent and pensive for a few uncomfortable seconds...
"well...got any questions?"
"nope..."
"ok! well if ya do, you know where i am."
i just nodded and smiled, relieved THAT was over...pops went back to his hiding-from-mom activities...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/11/2009 @ 2:10pm
Only Darla would need to be taught how to masturbate... too funny!
Hey Darla, I just don't agree that your attitude towards sex is healthy for young women at all. You are at the mercy of liberal men who are deathly afraid of committment of any kind. And can't really conceive of what respect for a woman entails. But they sure like the benefits of that banana demo and the freedom and power abortion gives them over women.
Bottom line, do any of your 'lovers' even care about you enough to commit themselves? Probably not. They are all narcissists, just like YOU.
Start with Margaret Sanger, Darla, honey, and then go on believeing that you are not a useful idiot, and that abortion is about your "rights".
Posted by freiheit1 at 11/11/2009 @ 2:16pm
I'm certain Margaret Sanger considered unborn babies that would become liberal black lesbian women exempt from any eugenics visions she had, LOL!!!
Posted by freiheit1 at 11/11/2009 @ 2:24pm
I don't want schools teaching sex education, it's no business of the schools.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/11/2009 @ 12:19pm
Yes, they get a full explanation about all of that from television.
Posted by ficheye at 11/11/2009 @ 2:24pm
"If you only have sex inside of the marriage relationship, you don't need to either know how to put on a condom or to ever use one."----Posted by antisocialist at 11/11/2009 @ 1:58pm
Isn't that absolutely true as well for a married gay couple?
Posted by Mask at 11/11/2009 @ 2:57pm
Posted by freiheit1 at 11/11/2009 @ 2:16pm
Yep, if only we had conservatives running the show on sex ed...
we wouldn't have so many Levi Johnstons!
Posted by Mask at 11/11/2009 @ 3:00pm
Posted by Mask at 11/11/2009 @ 3:00pm
Well, thst's true enough, but basically this distills into a moral issue.
I'll bet that young couple had full knowledge of the function of condoms.
Of course, maybe with Darla's masturbation training, they wouldn't have been interested in touch each other... Problem solved!
Posted by freiheit1 at 11/11/2009 @ 3:15pm
the taboo on abortion should also be lifted, and watch the burden on this planet be slowly lifted....
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 10:09am
Why stop there? Why not lift the taboo on murdering welfare recipients and the unemployed. We'll reduce the burden on the planent and the productive at the same time.
And how about lifting the taboo on murdering old people? Surely the planet won't miss them.
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 11/11/2009 @ 3:40pm
With all due respect, I believe that Dr Chan ought to do more than talk. She ought to give up her health coverage until such coverage is a universal right. That might lead.
Posted by kparcell at 11/11/2009 @ 3:41pm
and christians still don't want widespread birth control?
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 10:06am
Please forgive me for being a little snarky, but it kind of pisses me off when Darla thinks that the solution to the globa AIDS epidemic involves disparaging Christianity.
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 11/11/2009 @ 4:01pm
"Christian women statistically have more and better orgasms than nonbelievers"
evidence?
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 4:05pm
"Even my Catholic friends don't oppose natural birth control (ie the rhythm method)."
So tremendously effective, it only has a meager 20% failure rate.
Posted by kirquaker at 11/11/2009 @ 4:43pm
Posted by antisocialist at 11/11/2009 @ 2:04pm
Thank you for your service Sir!
Posted by winyahn at 11/11/2009 @ 4:48pm
Sex Ed should absolutely be taught in schools. Birth control and contraception are invaluable lessons that should be instilled early on to prevent the spate of unwanted pregnancies.
Posted by kirquaker at 11/11/2009 @ 4:50pm
"Christian women statistically have more and better orgasms than nonbelievers"
evidence?
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 4:05pm
When University of Chicago researchers set out to discover which religious denominations have the best sex, they learned that the faithful don't do all their shouting in church. Conservative Protestant women, their 1994 survey found, report by far the most orgasms: Thirty-two percent say they achieve orgasm every time they make love. Mainline Protestants and Catholics lagged five points behind. Those with no religious affiliation were at 22 percent. (Unitarians may not wish to read any further.)
http://www.slate.com/id/56724/
From a NY Times Review of Tom Perotta's book "The Abstinence Teacher"
<Raised Roman Catholic (he has since lapsed), he was exposed to the self-abnegating form of religion that the evangelicals, he said, had turned on its head, particularly in regard to sex. "Catholic theology is that sex should be for procreation," he said. "But this evangelical culture really embraces orgasms and pleasure. I was really interested in that strain of Christianity that didn't want to fight American culture and that's a vibrant, prosperous and actually kind of sexy culture.">
http://tinyurl.com/ybgj8ja
The Joy of Christian Sex
http://tinyurl.com/4gj6wv
Most Evangelicals and certainly pastors like myself teach Christians that G-d desires us to have great sex lives. We just have to do so within the bond of marriage. Song of Solomon is about as good a sex instruction book as any.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/11/2009 @ 5:02pm
Thank you for your service Sir!
Posted by winyahn at 11/11/2009 @ 4:48pm
thank you Win
Posted by antisocialist at 11/11/2009 @ 5:11pm
All this debate reminded me of something done decades ago by a great American about America-Mr Red Skelton http://tinyurl.com/ychw9z7 I cried just watching it again. Posted by antisocialist at 11/11/2009 @ 1:10pm
--I thought you didn't care about entertainers? Oh, wait...you are a Reagan fan...
Posted by urmygyro at 11/11/2009 @ 5:16pm
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 1:47pm | ignore this person | warn this person
--who would put a condom on with their mouth?
I've never had a girl put a condom on my dick with her mouth. She uses her hands, or I do it (certainly not with my mouth).
Posted by urmygyro at 11/11/2009 @ 5:19pm
Christian women statistically have more and better orgasms than nonbelievers.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/11/2009 @ 2:04pm
Or, perhaps, they got their "journeyman's card" a little earlier in the game, heheh. Practice makes perfect, indeed.
On Skelton, once saw him do a bit on how to portray the carrying of a heavy suitcase, properly, to young performers.
Man was funny.
Posted by schnellerheinz at 11/11/2009 @ 7:06pm
"Even my Catholic friends don't oppose natural birth control (ie the rhythm method)."
So tremendously effective, it only has a meager 20% failure rate.
Posted by kirquaker at 11/11/2009 @ 4:43pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Being Catholic I understand, is a challenging gig. Most are, I believe, on the "cafeteria plan."
Posted by schnellerheinz at 11/11/2009 @ 7:09pm
Rep. Bart Stupak is a snake in the grass blue dog and one of C-Street's top Democratic members.
The C-Street gang (The Family) is a cult of so called Christians that view themselves as the new "chosen ones". And Stupak-Pitts is the kind of thing they dream up in their "prayer meetings".
There main source of income is from key supporters like Paul Temple a former Exxon executive. In 2007 they received a reported 16.8 million dollars.
If there is a Spawn of Satan. These guys are it..
Posted by chaoszen at 11/11/2009 @ 7:10pm
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/11/2009 @ 2:10pm | ignore this person | warn this person
:D
Posted by schnellerheinz at 11/11/2009 @ 7:12pm
Posted by chaoszen at 11/11/2009 @ 7:10pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Stupak is a former Michigan State Trooper and political survivor. He represents a district in Northern Michigan where, politically, he can roll like that.
Posted by schnellerheinz at 11/11/2009 @ 7:15pm
Oned thing about Stupak, though, is that with hair like that, he doesn't need a hat, even being a Yooper.
A Yooper Trooper.
Posted by schnellerheinz at 11/11/2009 @ 7:18pm
Only Darla would need to be taught how to masturbate... too funny!
Posted by freiheit1 at 11/11/2009 @ 2:16pm | ignore this person | warn this person
--I have to agree with our right-wing friends here. Darla, did someone teach you how to masturbate? That sounds absurd.
Posted by urmygyro at 11/11/2009 @ 7:20pm
"Most Evangelicals and certainly pastors like myself teach Christians that G-d desires us to have great sex lives. We just have to do so within the bond of marriage"
well thanks for the data, antisocialist, but you do realize that the vast majority of women lie (or severely distort the truth) about their ability to reach orgasm.
no woman, or man for that matter, would want to be seen as someone who either cannot reach orgasm, or cannot have sustained, quality orgasms; and therefore will lie, or distort the truth, to make it appear as if they do have a full and satisfying sex life.
many women don't reach orgasm in their lifetimes. and that is because men either don't know what they're doing OR don't last long enough. or, obviously, the woman doesn't know what she's doing either, or doesn't know how to relax/breathe long enough.
tantric sex is probably the best way for a woman to do this, and i'm wondering how many christian women are into that.
are christian women into BDSM? just curious...
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 7:32pm
There is something very unsavory about listening to advice on sex from Anti.. Reminds of the creepy feeling I got listening to "Dr" Laura Schlessinger..
Posted by chaoszen at 11/11/2009 @ 8:05pm
Posted by YourJomamma at 11/11/2009 @ 12:13pm
And again, Maasch....how is THAT plan working out for you guys?
Or shall we call up Bristol and see how young Tripp is doing?
Posted by Mask at 11/11/2009 @ 1:32pm
My plan worked out well for me and my family...we have and had open honest discussions about sex and sexuality in my home growing up and with my children as they grew up.
And we have no illusions about being human. We, as parents, hope we have armed our children with enough information to make their own moral and intelligent choice. I would not want them to exist in life as a Darla,..... so completly lost on all fronts.
Only an idiot like Darla would equate a desire to have the family be responsible for sex ed rather than the scghool, with being anti sex ed...
My point remains I do not want anyone who has proven themselves so inefficient and ineffective as the public school system to teach my children or yours, about sex, a very important function in life....when they fuck up their only function so completely that our children "graduate" without knowing how to make change if the McDonalds power goes out and then can't read the instructions on the condom pamphlet...
Posted by YourJomamma at 11/11/2009 @ 8:26pm
many women don't reach orgasm in their lifetimes. and that is because men either don't know what they're doing OR don't last long enough. or, obviously, the woman doesn't know what she's doing either, or doesn't know how to relax/breathe long enough.
tantric sex is probably the best way for a woman to do this, and i'm wondering how many christian women are into that.
are christian women into BDSM? just curious...
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 7:32pm
That has never been our problem.
as to BDSM, I'm sure there are. What most don't realize is that the Bible authorizes a broad range of sexual pleasure for couples as long as it is consenting and doesn't involve hurting the other person. Song of Solomon speaks metaphorically about oral sex pleasures between couples.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/11/2009 @ 8:27pm
Posted by YourJomamma at 11/11/2009 @ 12:13pm
And again, Maasch....how is THAT plan working out for you guys?
Or shall we call up Bristol and see how young Tripp is doing?
Posted by Mask at 11/11/2009 @ 1:32pm
So, Mask...
You think if a teacher put a condom in her mouth..the end result would be that Bristol would not have become pregnant?
Really?
Posted by YourJomamma at 11/11/2009 @ 8:28pm
So antisocialist said he has a great sex life, eh? Well, I hope his spouse was always on top and in control during sexual intercourse. And I hope that antisocialist learned how to follow his spouse's lead. And I hope that antisocialist ALWAYS put his own orgasm second, took all the responsibility for birth control and cleaned the sheets. Hey, the woman always needs to come first.
I know many "post-evangelical" women who say that fundamentalist couples have lousy sex lives because the religion is so male chauvinistic.
Indeed, antisocialist should doing housework and childcare, not posting to The Nation.
Posted by ktrig at 11/11/2009 @ 10:00pm
The Song of Solomon is hardly a sex manual. I find many interpretations of The Song of Songs quite strained and think the book is highly overrated. I don't think it has great love poetry (some of it is quite ludicrous) and when Christians say it provides sex instruction . . . oh please!
BTW, antisocialist, your spouse has a biblical right to initiate sexual intercourse. During a Campus Crusade lecture on sex several years ago, a fundamentalist pastor grudgingly acknowledged that fact when some progressive Inter-Varsity members challenged him.
Posted by ktrig at 11/11/2009 @ 10:11pm
"We, as parents, hope we have armed our children with enough information to make their own moral and intelligent choice"
well, unfortunately john, you haven't, judging by your puerile responses to what many civilized countries (see: sweden, norway, france, germany, italy, spain, etc) consider normal (see: having a teacher or doctor or some such authority, with a scientific and/or sexual science background, demonstrate putting a condom on to her students).
whatever, john. you're an uptight jackass with (literally) a 8 year old boy's response to my ideas.
you're like bart simpson.
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 10:11pm
so many of the older generation in this country are living in this extremely puritanical mindset, which seeks to repress desire, which seeks to repress sexuality, which seeks to repress what we all know and do with our bodies. they are basically afraid of their bodies.
in japan, for instance, families often go to the spa together. and they clean each other very meticulously. and all in the buff (at least in some parts of japan!). and this is great for children. to show them not to be afraid of their NAKED bodies.
sex education serves an extremely important function: it prevents unwanted pregnancy and disease. it gets people talking about the body, about sex, about health.
the best thing america can do is just to let it all out. we need to stop with all this denial shit. i'm so sick of it, and am soooooo glad i live in a city/state where people are super tolerant and open-minded.
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 10:28pm
darla--you speak as if the act of putting a condom on is complex. chillax.
Posted by urmygyro at 11/11/2009 @ 10:37pm
"darla--you speak as if the act of putting a condom on is complex. chillax."
if one has never put on a condom, or put a condom on someone else, it can be somewhat complex. admit it.
and we're talking about 13-14 year olds.
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 11:27pm
students).
whatever, john. you're an uptight jackass with (literally) a 8 year old boy's response to my ideas.
you're like bart simpson.
Posted by darladoon at 11/11/2009 @ 10:11pm
The response you say is of an 8 year old...you have no ideas, that the problem..you just spewt marxist and gibberish you have heard from other left wing socialistic clowns and believe you have created new ideas, and then moronicaly end posts with ..
Proof please..
And you are still an idiot with an inate and profound ability to miss understand.
The good news is you are in no danger of reproducing.
Posted by YourJomamma at 11/11/2009 @ 11:44pm
"well, unfortunately john, you haven't, judging by your puerile responses to what many civilized countries (see: sweden, norway, france, germany, italy, spain, etc) consider normal (see: having a teacher or doctor or some such authority, with a scientific and/or sexual science background, demonstrate putting a condom on to her students). '
Well, Daraloon, we have.
What you can't seem to get through you THC clogged brain pan is the simple fact that we are not against sex education...
its that we are against the schools system and morons like you teaching it on your time, place, methods, and beliefs as to what is "normal" and enlightened..
What you consider normal makes others ill at the thought..so no, we do not want you determining how, what and where our children learn about life.
We reserve that right for ourselves with in our family.
And for you to constantly refer to what Christians believe, think ,or do is hilarious based on your history of posting here, for it is obvious you have no knowledge of what a Christian is or does..not even close.
You constantly refer to Europe and other countrys YOU HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED OR VISITIED....I have..all of them and not as a tourist...and your views on them and their practices is irrelevent to my experiences first hand.
Posted by YourJomamma at 11/12/2009 @ 12:05am
you speak as if the act of putting a condom on is complex. chillax.
Posted by urmygyro at 11/11/2009 @ 10:37pm
I knew a hooker once that could hide a condom in her mouth and then take a rather large banana and insert it in her mouth then withdraw it immediately with the condom smoothly attached to the length of the banana.
That trick never ceased to amaze me..
Posted by chaoszen at 11/12/2009 @ 08:18am
I have..all of them and not as a tourist...and your views on them and their practices is irrelevent to my experiences first hand.
Posted by YourJomamma at 11/12/2009 @ 12:05am
All of them? That's a lot of countries! Europe is a big place. I have lived and worked in some european countries, but not "all of them". I'm impressed. You must be a regular globe trotter.
Funny how someone who claims to be so well travelled is so close minded. Most people I have met who actually do travel extensively always seem to aquire a certain amount of wisdom and tolerance. I guess you must have missed the boat in those areas.
Posted by chaoszen at 11/12/2009 @ 08:33am
"My point remains I do not want anyone who has proven themselves so inefficient and ineffective as the public school system to teach my children or yours, about sex, a very important function in life....when they fuck up their only function so completely that our children "graduate" without knowing how to make change if the McDonalds power goes out and then can't read the instructions on the condom pamphlet.."-----Posted by YourJomamma at 11/11/2009 @ 8:26pm
So your childred had "fucked-up teachers", John? How'd they make it through to graduation? "rugged individualism"?
Posted by Mask at 11/12/2009 @ 08:45am
What you can't seem to get through you THC clogged brain pan Posted by YourJomamma at 11/12/2009 @ 12:05am
I wonder why THC is considered a "mind expanding drug"? Is there some new evidence that THC clogs the brain? I must have missed something about THC clogging the Brain Pan.
I know! It must be like brain cholesterol! The synaptic nerve pathways must get layered with THC until the thought impulses become restricted and cause some sort of Brain Stroke. Is that it? Jesus H Christ JoHOmamma! You are a fucking genius!
I can't wait to hear more of your revelations concerning human physiology.
Posted by chaoszen at 11/12/2009 @ 09:16am
Posted by chaoszen at 11/12/2009 @ 09:16am
Your posts indicate an overdose of diesel exhaust....
this manifests itself in a self belief that the dieseled one is an expert in economics, political theories on effects of politics on economics, and in general fancies himself brilliant...
..when in fact...the clod has never run a lemonade stand..and certainly would try unless he couldn't unionise it....
Place mouth overthe PEOPLES POST OFFICE truck exhaust pipe right after it has been started and breathe deeply...
I know it will help clear your mind...you are a perfect match for Darlaloon..a black gay herbalist and a white worn out druck driver for the Postal Service...something the country can't do with out and needs more ..comrades in a pod.
Posted by YourJomamma at 11/12/2009 @ 09:57am
BTW, antisocialist, your spouse has a biblical right to initiate sexual intercourse. During a Campus Crusade lecture on sex several years ago, a fundamentalist pastor grudgingly acknowledged that fact when some progressive Inter-Varsity members challenged him.
Posted by ktrig at 11/11/2009 @ 10:11pm
I'm not a Fundamentalist. And like most people on the left, your knowledge about the private lives of the vast majority of Christians is woefully inadequate.
Where do you get ideas like Christian men think they must initiate sex? Where do you get ideas like Christians impose limits on positions or what things they do to please each other? Because those limitations you speak of are not found in the bible.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/12/2009 @ 10:12am
Anybody that claims they have seen and heard it all have in fact NOT seen and heard it all until......
They come to The Nation and read what Darladoon posts.
And as time goes on her posts get even more and more bizzare. She sets new standards for herself almost daily.
Posted by sjchermak at 11/12/2009 @ 10:26am
There is something very unsavory about listening to advice on sex from Anti.. Reminds of the creepy feeling I got listening to "Dr" Laura Schlessinger..
Posted by chaoszen at 11/11/2009 @ 8:05pm
The only thing I can think of that would be more creepy would be getting advice on the subject from someone like Jeff Dahmer.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 11/12/2009 @ 10:30am
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 11/12/2009 @ 10:30am
The only thing I can think of that would be more creepy would be getting advice on the subject from someone like Jeff Dahmer.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 11/12/2009 @ 10:30am
LOL! I hadn't thought of that. Very disturbing. But the winger rubes that post here break new records in ignorance daily. Check out JoHo's latest response to my previous post. Diesel fumes!
I drive state of the art modern equipment which are required to meet emission standards. And I operate two internet businesses on the side that do not sell lemonade.
And on top of that, I at least have some idea of how to construct a sentence and spell.
And, as I have stated many times, I am not a post office employee. I contract for the post office. And as far as I can determine the post office is a well run government enterprise.
That is poison and anathema to these anti-government incompetents.
Perhaps JoHO would like to knock NASA next?
Posted by chaoszen at 11/12/2009 @ 11:10am
Perhaps JoHO would like to knock NASA next?
Posted by chaoszen at 11/12/2009 @ 11:10am
Hey, unless NASA is aiming missiles at other countries from space or knocking down other countries' satellites, JoHo would probably like to eliminate them as well.
What kills me is that these idiots can't see the biggest money drain on our economy is our defense budget and the wars we have to continually be in to justify paying the obscene amounts of national treasure used to fund the war machine's ventures. Spending tax dollars on infrastructure is taboo to these assholes, but using tax dollars for private overseas business ventures at the end of a rifle, tank, missile, bombs etc. is just fine and dandy in their book. What a bunch of morons or greedy aholes they are. They are either one or the other.....there's no gray area on this one.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 11/12/2009 @ 12:25pm
What kills me is that these idiots can't see the biggest money drain on our economy is our defense budget and the wars we have to continually be in to justify paying the obscene amounts of national treasure used to fund the war machine's ventures. Spending tax dollars on infrastructure is taboo to these assholes, but using tax dollars for private overseas business ventures at the end of a rifle, tank, missile, bombs etc. is just fine and dandy in their book. What a bunch of morons or greedy aholes they are. They are either one or the other.....there's no gray area on this one.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 11/12/2009 @ 12:25pm
the budget for Iraq and Afghanistan represent less than 1/10 of 1% of the US budget. It has not impact on domestic spending. It is the leftist deficit spending by the Democrats that quadrupled the deficit in less than one year.
And as I asked another blogger who made a similar attack, what is Congress doing with the 35 billion per year that goes into the Highway Trust Fund from fuel taxes?
Posted by antisocialist at 11/12/2009 @ 12:51pm
... "Dr" Laura Schlessinger..
Posted by chaoszen at 11/11/2009 @ 8:05pm
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 11/12/2009 @ 10:30am | ignore this person | warn this person
(with a nod to Tom Leykis):
"Dr. Turkeyneck"
bwahahahaha!
Posted by schnellerheinz at 11/12/2009 @ 4:27pm