Limbaugh's Many Hats and Excuses

If there's one thing the last two weeks have proved it's that it doesn't matter whether you're a politician, journalist, or a media pundit, when it comes to personal indiscretions you want to be judged as an entertainer.

Republicans have long called Rush Limbaugh "just an entertainer" whenever they wanted to distance themselves from one of his embarrassing rightwing radio rants, as if that somehow put him beyond the pale of political judgment. But as the communications industry has bulldozed the boundaries imposed on different professions, folks are trying more and more to exercise the rights of one role while they are personally judged by the standards of another.

Limbaugh, especially now that he's desperate to rehab his image as a racist in order to purchase the St. Louis Rams, is a case in point. By the Boy Scout standards we pretend to apply to politicians in this country, the thrice divorced, oxycontin-addicted Limbaugh shouldn't be able to run for dog catcher. Yet here he is, sitting for a sympathetic, two-part interview with Today Show correspondent Jamie Gangel that NBC injected into every MSNBC news show as if it were an exclusive with a head of state. Can Rush say anything good about what Obama's done? Is he the head of the Republican party? Who are his "picks" for the next GOP presidential candidate?

The interview begins with tape of Rush bloviating ludicrously ("Barack Obama has the inside track on becoming the worst president in the nation's history"). But it quickly segues to sad celebrity-overcomes-obstacles music as we see grainy photos of a son of privilege who nevertheless "did not fit in." Rush struggles, Rush gets fired again and again, then (here comes the happy music) he finds his place in the world as a famous rightwing personality with a $400 million contract and a new gal to date.

But the fawning biopic intro, gliding gently over all the felonies and ugliness, has the cheesy affect of an interview with Valerie Bertinelli about her eating disorders. Even as Limbaugh claims, in a Web-only clip, that those who call him an entertainer are trying to "discredit" him (they never "take me on on my ideas," he says--like, for example, his ideas about having domestic servants buy his drugs and run the risk of violence or arrest for him), he basks in his untouchability as an entertainer. Asked, for instance, about his bigot ditty, "Barack, the Magic Negro," Rush whips back: "Would you ask anybody who writes for Saturday Night Live these questions?"

Of course, David Letterman basks in that same untouchability, and Gangel's question about Letterman, for which Limbaugh dons his "social commentator" hat in order to reply, evokes the question, How is Dave any different from you in terms of personal responsibilty? (a question Gangel, however, never asks). Still, Rush seems a bit rattled in his answer, enough to exaggerate Letterman's offenses, saying he apologized to his wife only "on television" for having "sex with interns."

But who factchecks entertainers? Well, CNN, for one (starting around 1:10, but it's all hilarious):

The Daily Show With Jon Stewart	Mon - Thurs 11p / 10c
CNN Leaves It There
www.thedailyshow.com
Daily Show Full Episodes Political Humor Ron Paul Interview

Stewart's right, on one obvious level: Factchecking a joke is like sifting straw for gold. But he's also denying the confusion spread by the crisscrossing of roles and rules in our national political debate, and downplaying the fact that entertainers are having a greater impact on politics than ever before. SNL's Tina Fey almost single-handedly shifted Sarah Palin's aura as a pitbull in lipstick to a ditz in lipstick, and Stewart himself was voted "America's most trusted newscaster" in a Time poll a few months ago.

Politicians and journalists are hemmed in by all sorts of rules--don't lie your way into a war, don't report from unreliable sources--because we don't want political power to be handled irresponsibly by irresponsible people. Those rules, like banking regulations and the Fairness Doctrine, have been pretty much dispensed with, and this country just went through an eight-year-long orgy of irresponsibility in both politics and journalism. The establishments of each profession are being hosed off the sidewalk of reality right now, and in the ensuing vacuum people are turning to anyone with a conspiratorial or emotionally satisfying grudge to voice.

It would be nice if pols and reporters started living within their traditional rules for a while, but don't hold your breath.

Let's face it: When it comes to moral flaws, who wouldn't rather be judged by the public standards governing, say, Keith Richards, rather than those we reserve for an assistant high-school principal? Jimmy Kimmel saw where this was going when former House majority leader Tom DeLay appeared on his show last week with a coterie of fellow performers from ABC's Dancing With the Stars. Kimmel asked, "Do you think this will inspire other indicted politicians to dance?"

And Delay answered, honestly, I think: "Hey, it keeps you out of jail."

Comments (223)

1. SAVAN: "It would be nice if pols and reporters started living within their traditional rules for a while, but don't hold your breath."

   I am not quite sure what this blog commentary's main point is......reads like a suicide note or pre-depression rant.

   In any case, plot out the rough trajectory of Rush's career (in listeners & contract dollars) against that of `traditional' media/reporters/networks, and tell me which is the `chicken'?

   Posted by Happy at 10/14/2009 @ 5:20pm

2. Leslie Savan,

   You refer to Rush Limbaugh trying to rehab his "image as a racist".

   Rush Limbaugh never had an image as a racist anywere but in liberal-land.

   You the enlightened on the left portray him that way, a portrayal that has no credibilty whatsoever.

   This other article that appeared on this Nation website in the last couple of days, all full of contortion and angst because Rush is trying to be a part owner of the St. Louis Rams, has been totally deconstructed and proven to be an abject lie.

   Mask likes to continually point out that I am a dittohead and keeps reminding me that I am a disciple of Rush and get daily instructions from him......

   .....but since I actually do go to Rush's website each day and have been doing so for years I am in a position to tell you that in no way is Rush racist and besides he has pointed out time and time again how and why those on the left are the ones who do harm to Black America.

   All you have to do is go to his website for yourself and read what he says with an open mind you would see that.

   (Mask will be posting in shortly about that thing he says Rush said years ago that Mask thinks proves Rush is a racist. Periodically Mask brings this up and since Mask has proven the capability time and time again to take things totally out of context and distort them, the proper repsonse when Mask periodically brings this "incident" up is to periodically ignore Mask)

   Posted by sjchermak at 10/14/2009 @ 5:43pm

3. Rush is a racist, there no doubt about it....why else would he say, "slavery built the South, and I'm not saying that we should bring it back.. I'm just saying that it had it's merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark."

   And thats just the tip of the iceberg, Rush Limbaugh has a lifetime of racist comments.....

   I'm as gleeful about him losing his bid for an NFL team as he was about America losing the Olympics.....

   LIFE IS GOOD!!!!

   Posted by chitown639 at 10/14/2009 @ 5:54pm

4. Why does anyone care if Rush is trying to buy one of the worst football teams in the NFL?

   Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 10/14/2009 @ 5:58pm

5. sjchermak, you are the one who needs to have an open mind, YOU have been brainwashed totally, no wonder you and happy and jomamma and big P sound alike, you go to rushs web sight? Wow, just wow! No wonder, now I get you guys, HA.

   Posted by Denise29 at 10/14/2009 @ 6:10pm

6. Why does anyone care if Rush is trying to buy one of the worst football teams in the NFL?

   Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 10/14/2009 @ 5:58pm

   EVERYTHING Rush does, say, wipe his ass with.....is cared about by the Left. Rush Derangement Syndrome.....it gets worse and worse as his ratings and listeners get higher and higher....damn near suicidal and depressive....but that's what the Left thrives on.

   The Left takes the spoken words to be everything.....viola, "Yes, We Can".....we have Magic!

   Actions, like the actual destruction of the black society in America through their `niceness' and `good intentions', don't mean a thing. They truly deserve Nobel Prizes for good intentions, not results; it's the thought that count! It's true, my mommy even taught me that.

   Posted by Happy at 10/14/2009 @ 6:27pm

7. sjchermak, you are the one who needs to have an open mind, YOU have been brainwashed totally, no wonder you and happy and jomamma and big P sound alike, you go to rushs web sight? Wow, just wow! No wonder, now I get you guys, HA.

   Posted by Denise29 at 10/14/2009 @ 6:10pm

   I have seen more better examples of braineashing than here at the blog...

   I think Ol' Jesse and Sharpto0n are a bigger problem than Rush...Sharpton was part mof a lie with Twana Brwalry, where an honest man was ruined with no effect of the girl mor the "Reverand...and ol' Jesse is a known, worn out shake down artist wearing $2,000 suits and $1,000 shoes...

   And Rush....he has honestly earned his way up to where he is at on his own. 100% of those who do not "get" Rush call him racist, homophobic or anti woman...the rest who "get" his schtick are on the right or in the middle...the rest are the left.

   Posted by YourJomamma at 10/14/2009 @ 6:55pm

8. Happy, I don't care about Rush. He is a jerk who way too many people find interesting. The fact that it even a story about him being one of a group of owners for the ST louis lambs is pathetic. All it does is feed his ego and give him free publicity. Non-issue and definately not newsworthy.

   Posted by Extraneous at 10/14/2009 @ 7:04pm

9. Jomamma, I agree with you, but that is not what we were talking about, I personally don't like rush, I think he is a bigot and talk about an elite, yet he trys to tell the common men how to live and think? I mean I really, really don't like him.

   Posted by Denise29 at 10/14/2009 @ 7:06pm

10. posted by Leslie Savan on 10/14/2009 @ 5:11pm

    Rush has been dropped from the group seeking the purchase.

    and now shirley the sun will rise tomorrow......

    Posted by Benchrest at 10/14/2009 @ 7:53pm

11. All you have to do is go to his website for yourself and read what he says with an open mind you would see that.

    Posted by sjchermak at 10/14/2009 @ 5:43pm

    No you have to go to his site with a rightwing mind and be looking for any reason you can demonize the left and then you will see it.

    Posted by Cccomfo1 at 10/14/2009 @ 8:50pm

12. Congress Removes Authority to Ban Riskiest Derivatives Trades Because "There Was Concern That A Broad Grant To Ban Abusive Swaps Would Be UNSETTLING"

    http://www.washingtonsblog.co m/2009/10/congress-removes-authority-to-ban-abuse.html

    Posted by frosty zoom at 10/14/2009 @ 9:11pm

13. .....The fact that it even a story about him being one of a group of owners for the ST louis lambs is pathetic. All it does is feed his ego and give him free publicity. Non-issue and definately not newsworthy.

    Posted by Extraneous at 10/14/2009 @ 7:04pm

    So who decided to make such a big deal out of Rush's participating in a bidding group? Why does the Left try so hard to give this fat man (but slimming down) free "publicity"?

    I try my damn best to get in some Rush every day and his hours dovetail w/my daily out-of-home trips nicely! No one can make the radio waves seem so damned funny and irreverent to political correctness! He even makes rustling paper sounds funny!

    He is "newsworthy" precisely because he gets under your skin...I don't doubt every Lib Loon that goes after him is worth another quarter million listeners. For the Black House to take him on, PRICELESS!

    Too bad about his opting out of bidding now.....he promotes the NFL way too much as it is. As an owner, he'll surely bore me with even more pro football.

    Today, I'm strictly a college sports fan and don't give a hoot about pro sports, even the Rockets, Texans and Astros....even as I still go to an occasional game, usually w/a free pass or gratuity gained through some charity event/auction.

    Posted by Happy at 10/14/2009 @ 9:12pm

14. Cccomf01,

    No different than many that go to sites such as The Nation with a leftwing mind looking for any reason they can to demonize the right.

    Please don't start telling me you have an open mind. If you do, you are wasting your time, because your mind is not open. Yes, I have seen some topics where your opinion is not the same as the typical leftist opinion, but by and large you lean partisan automatically just like many others do.

    I have admitted in the past I am Conservative and I have opinions and am quite firm in those opinions.

    No different than most other people.

    However, I at least read what leftists say wheras I have seen leftists on this site declare that they do not go to Conservative sites.....the implication is that they know what's what.

    My point, which you tried to dilute with your comment (and failed to do so, by the way), is that if one reads what Rush writes over a period of time it is crystal clear that he is not a racist, and is against policy by the left that holds Black America back rather than frees Black America up to succeed.

    Your comment then is not pertinent to the topic at hand.

    Posted by sjchermak at 10/14/2009 @ 9:25pm

15. Leslie, thanks for this post. Now I know that all the irresponsibility in journalism can be laid at the feet of Rush Limbaugh and George Bush. It comforts me to know that Clinton, Gore, and Obama have never had interviews started with "fawning, biopic intros". They always have faced tough, objective journalists who aren't interested in kissing their feet. If only they had been in office this last 17 years, our long national nightmare would never have happened. I hearby call on all Repubs to join hands with their Progressive brethren (and sisteren) to reject this horrible irresponsible journalism.

    The citizens of this great country cannot be trusted to differentiate the dishonest bloviaters (conservatives) from the good, virtuous, and wise (progressive) journalists. It may take the Democratic Congress and Presidency to show them the light.

    I know that progressives have such high standards, that they would never stoop to "bloviating ludicrously" about their Republican targets (Oops. Most progressives, anyway. I'm sure YOU had a good reason).

    What I really want to know, is how you used the word "orgy", but didn't mention Clinton's name once.

    Posted by twillie at 10/14/2009 @ 9:40pm

16. Cccomf01,

    No different than many that go to sites such as The Nation with a leftwing mind looking for any reason they can to demonize the right.

    Please don't start telling me you have an open mind. If you do, you are wasting your time, because your mind is not open. Yes, I have seen some topics where your opinion is not the same as the typical leftist opinion, but by and large you lean partisan automatically just like many others do.

    I have admitted in the past I am Conservative and I have opinions and am quite firm in those opinions.

    No different than most other people.

    However, I at least read what leftists say wheras I have seen leftists on this site declare that they do not go to Conservative sites.....the implication is that they know what's what.

    My point, which you tried to dilute with your comment (and failed to do so, by the way), is that if one reads what Rush writes over a period of time it is crystal clear that he is not a racist, and is against policy by the left that holds Black America back rather than frees Black America up to succeed.

    Your comment then is not pertinent to the topic at hand.

    Posted by sjchermak at 10/14/2009 @ 9:25pm

    My point wasn't about my mind. My point was that I dislike people who try to paint their opinion as the one of the open minded. It has nothing to do with open mindedness. It's actually why I don't like most of the articles on this site. Exactly as you pointed out they do everything they can to demonize the right. I think only a fool believes that only one side of the political spectrum is good for the country and the other is trying to destroy it. But I don't like when people blatantly lie and say their view is the view of the open minded and anyone who doesn't come to the same conclusion they do must not be.

    Posted by Cccomfo1 at 10/14/2009 @ 9:49pm

17. Your comment then is not pertinent to the topic at hand.

    Posted by sjchermak at 10/14/2009 @ 9:25pm

    And actually my comment IS pertinent because how you view comments has everything to do with how you interpret what the speaker is. When I hear someone use racial comments as an insult I tend to think that person is racist. If they use it as a joke I tend to think that person is not racist. But if two different people go to rushes site they will come out with two different impressions of what he is. So painting your view of him as not being racist because yours is the "open-minded" view is false and therefore my comment is pertinent to the topic at hand.

    Posted by Cccomfo1 at 10/14/2009 @ 9:53pm

18. I am a liberal and I am a black woman. I have heard Rush Limbaugh say racist and sexist things. Examples? He told a black caller to "take the bone out of [his] nose and call back later." Of victims of sexual harassment he said: "[s]ome of these babes, I'm telling you, like the sexual harassment crowd. They're out there protesting what they actually wish would happen to them sometimes." Why do you Rush apologists get so upset when we take him at his word? You cannot make fun of people with disabilities like he did when insulting Michael J. Fox and then act shocked and dismayed when someone calls you a bigot. You cannot make light of sexual harassment by saying women actually want to be menaced at work even and not expect people to call you out on your sexism. Rush's problem is that those of us who do not share his views refuse to forget the image he has been selling (one of a man who has the stones to take on the blacks, the gays, women, the disabled, immigrants) when it becomes inconvenient. Rush got fabulously wealthy by being a proxy for bigots. Alas, he cannot use his millions to buy what he wants. The NFL and the team owners made a business choice: they were unwilling to risk tarnishing the NFL brand by bringing in a minority owner who makes a living saying offensive things for hours everyday on the radio. They gave Checketts and the other investors a choice: drop Limbaugh or no deal. They dropped him so that they can invest their money in a profitable business. Rush is experiencing what we all experience: being a casualty of the free market. He cannot cheer it one day and curse it the next simply because it did not work in his favor. The NFL knows it can find someone with money that is just as green as his without any of the baggage. It's business, not personal

    Posted by BronxBomber at 10/14/2009 @ 10:27pm

19. Posted by sjCHERMAK at 10/14/2009 @ 5:43pm

    I like how you used 'mask' five times in a paragraph - all the while talking about how obsessive he is. Your body is trying to reject your brain. Just let it happen....

    AND THEN...

    And Rush....he has honestly earned his way up to where he is at on his own. 100% of those who do not "get" Rush call him racist, homophobic or anti woman...the rest who "get" his schtick are on the right or in the middle...the rest are the left. Posted by YourJomamma at 10/14/2009 @ 6:55pm

    The above, by YourJomamma, is classic right wing misdirection about the 'drugster'. They never address his oxycontin addiction, which is probably still going on. Or his penchant for young prostitutes in foreign countries. He consistently used the term 'feminazis' for a long time... yet he's not anti woman. Oh, yes... he's just talking about those 'uppity' women... not the ones who do as they're told... Hoo-boy.

    Rush is a racist. He's just one of those racists in the limelight who has to deny, deny ( before he makes a calculated slip) because it's cost effective and speaks to all those others in his loyal audience who are doing the same thing. It's the old 'wink-wink nudge-nudge' thing.

    But I enjoy the skate board logic of those who love him. CHERMAK clarifies things by stating that he goes there every day for his 'edjumication.'

    Posted by ficheye at 10/14/2009 @ 11:12pm

20. I find it enormously amusing that the usual right wing suspects, who seem to have endless amounts of time on their hands to post on the site of a magazine that clearly represents the opposite of what they believe, are thereby bragging about their superior "open mindedness"! The fact that you can go 24/7 in tirelessly promoting the latest GOP/Fox/Limbaugh propaganda line does not make you "open minded". "Obsessed", perhaps, but "open minded?"

    What is "open minded" is the fact that the Nation doesn't screen you jokers out - you know, like Rush Limbaugh does with liberal callers.

    Great posting, BronxBomber! Poor Rush - so misunderstood! Boo hoo hoo.... The pain! The victimhood! If we were only more "open minded" we could perhaps understand that what we thought were decades of hate speech geared towards angry white males with disposable income was actually - well - decades of hate speech geared towards angry white males with disposable income... which any person could enjoy regardless of race, creed, sexual orientation, income level, or national origin... if only such a person were more... "open minded".

    There's no reason why demonizing hatred can't be respected at the same level of such liberal notions as "caring" and "community". That's what the NFL is ignoring: a community that cares enough to hate!

    If we don't "get that", its our fault, not poor misunderstood Rush's.

    I.... I think I'm going to cry....

    Posted by Dwight Wall at 10/14/2009 @ 11:52pm

21. The Dow hit 10,000 today and it's time to rejoice! Good Job and Thank You Mr. President.

    Anyone who is counting, knows that the American "perpe-traitors of doom" are the right wing talk shows. They are preventing PROGRESS by progressives. Eight years of Bush and dittoheads brought us to the brink of disasterous capitalism as we know it. The American people know this and that is why they elected Obama and the Dems in Congress.

    Let's face it the material that is put forth by the bankrupt Depublican "court of public opinion" mouthpieces such as Rush "it's all about race" Limberger and Glenda "sweet" Beck and Billy the "I'm not gonna take it" OLiar and Sean "boot out the libberralls" Insanity, is also bankrupt and will only get worse while they steer the Depublicans down an old dirt road toward a muddy swamp of rusty wingnuts, filled with the poisons of industrial waste that is so precious to their existence.

    Oh no, we can't afford a clean environment, they might take away my Mercedes? Oh no, we can't treat Health as a Right, it may empower the populace and make a few million people happy? Oh no, we must keep our automatic weapons, the femi-nazis might come after me and take my TV? Oh no, we must not let the gays marry, it might make me gay? Oh no, we must bomb Iran, not peace and hurt our defense industry? Oh no, we must all start smoking cigarettes, it might hurt our tobacco industry? Oh no, we can't give the middle class fair wages, they might get comfortable & want to relax on the weekends?

    The last time I checked, gays & feminists & sick people & liberals & women who choose abortions & libberalls pay taxes too, so why are they not ENTITLED to equal rights?

    There are NO conservative Republicans, only chicken hawk Libertarians like Rush wrapped in flags.

    Posted by thanksbutnothanks at 10/15/2009 @ 12:11am

22. I just want the Rush lovers to tell me why it is unfair that Rush's dreams were dashed. The forces of the free market prevailed! The owners of the NFL teams informed Dave Checketts and the other investors that if it came to a formal vote that he and his group would not be approved if Limbaugh stayed on. They took stock of the possible fall out of having Limbaugh, a man who has earned his millions by courting scandal and outrage everyday, as a minority stakeholder in one of the franchises. They came to the conclusion that it would not be worth it to risk a work stoppage by the players (the head of the union announced that he opposed it because of the concerns voiced by players, many players came out and said they would not even play in St. Louis, let alone for it). Remember that the MLB strike almost ruined baseball. The NFL would be constantly having to put out fires set by a man who would be putting a very small amount of money into the league. They made the business decision to go with someone who has money that is just as green and with no baggage. The owners were protecting the NFL brand. Rush is always bemoaning the arrival of socialism in "Obama's America." Well, his exclusion from NFL ownership was a sign that free market capitalism is alive and well. The NFL acted based on the bottom line, Dave Checketts and Rush's former co-investors made the decision to proceed without him because keeping him on would have prevented them from putting their money in a recession-proof business. This is not about being PC. It is about money. Rush finds himself in a position that offends his sense of entitlement. If he is a true conservative capitalist, he should cheer today's events: capitalism was permitted to dictate the terms of the market free from government interference.

    Posted by BronxBomber at 10/15/2009 @ 12:45am

23. But I enjoy the skate board logic of those who love him. CHERMAK clarifies things by stating that he goes there every day for his 'edjumication.'

    Posted by ficheye at 10/14/2009 @ 11:12pm

    It is obvious you have never really listened to him...if you did, you would be embarassed by your post.

    Other wise you would realize your"feminazi" statement is foolish,and you know he likes and uses prostitutes?..or you for sure know he still uses drug(Oxy) like Daraloon uses brownies? Do you even know why he became addicted to this stuff? Any idea of the pain involved in Coccliar(sp) implants?

    You know nothing except what you have heard in your selective listening and reading. Its too bad, for you might like what you hear once you understand it...which you don't at present, and perhaps might not be capable of "getting" it..many of my non white friends on the left DO get it...

    But by all means...do not listen to him for 2 weeks straight...we wouldn't want you to "get" him....

    The NFL lost an opportunity today ....for Rush would generate a bigger following and the shitty Rams, white and black players need a boost.

    The collection of lefty loons protesting outside each game alone would be worth the tickets price...

    Wasted opportunity in the face of political correctness run amouck. Especialy from shit heads like Ol' Jesse and Big Al. Where are their churches, again? Anyone have out of wedlock children besides the "Good Reverand"?

    And in time after all the laws suits, a retraction regarding the "Rush" to judgement will be posted on page 12.

    I don't think anyone here would qualify for jury duty..

    Posted by YourJomamma at 10/15/2009 @ 12:50am

24. Limbaughs real problem is LIBERAL LIARS! Intresting how easy it is to deconstruct them!

    Bozell: Media Smears Killed Limbaugh's Rams Bid

    Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:44 PM

    ST. LOUIS -- Conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh was dropped Wednesday from a group seeking to buy the St. Louis Rams after a media feeding frenzy that falsely but repeatedly labeled Limbaugh as a racist.

    The latest anti-Rush hysteria reached its peak Tuesday when MSNBC host and former Democratic aide Chris Matthews fantasized about killing Limbaugh like a James Bond villain. Specifically, Matthews talked about blowing up

    Limbaugh's head.

    In a detailed study of the media coverage of Limbaugh, the Media Research Center detailed a list of false charges and smears against Limbaugh that were resurrected again this week after news of the Rams bid was announced.

    "Anything goes in an attempt to demonize Limbaugh – even the basics of Journalism 101. Obvious distortion and even outright fabrications are being used in this campaign to ruin Limbaugh," the Center wrote in a study of the Limbaugh coverage.

    Limbaugh was to be a limited partner in a group headed by St. Louis Blues chairman Dave Checketts. Checketts said in a statement Wednesday that Limbaugh's participation had become a complication in the group's efforts and the bid will move forward without him, the Associated Press reported.

    Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay pledged this week to vote against him. Then NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell added his own blast, saying that NFL insiders would not tolerate the conservative commentator's "divisive" comments.

    Posted by BigPasture at 10/15/2009 @ 01:24am

25. Both CNN and MSNBC also reported this week that Limbaugh has once said, ""Slavery built the South. I'm not saying we should bring it back. I'm just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark."

    But after demand by the Center to give an exact source for this quote, the network has been strangely silent.

    "CNN and MSNBC must immediately and publicly source when Limbaugh uttered this phrase," Center President Brent Bozell demanded in a statement released Tuesday. "He has unequivocally denied it. Now it is up to the same news

    media that reported it as fact to prove that it was, indeed, stated.

    "The MRC has overnighted letters to senior executives at both cable networks demanding that they take this sourcing seriously and report back to the public. We await their word.

    "Either Rush Limbaugh is lying or these networks – willfully or not – are participants in the worst form of character assassination imaginable. They can prove their innocence by documenting this accusation. If they can't,

    then they are 100% guilty of character assassination."

    In a detailed study of the anti-Limbaugh campaign, the Center has examined statements going back more than a decade in which Limbaugh has been repeatedly called a racist, mocked for his self-admitted addiction to painkillers, and even blamed for the Oklahoma City federal building in 1995.

    Posted by BigPasture at 10/15/2009 @ 01:25am

26. I recently discovered this site only 2 months ago after seeing KVH passionately babbling on and on about something or other on This Week . I have to say I have never in my life read such nasty , hateful and disgusting things about Bush Cheney Rush and other conservatives. And in the spirit of open mindedness I have to admit that some of the conservatives who comment on here havent cast themselves in the best of lights either, but nowhere to the degree of hate and anger spewed out by those on the left. I beleive that if Rush said half the things that have been said above about him , he wouldnt be on the air for very long. But the fact is he has been on the air for 20 years now and he has the largest audience in the history of radio. If you wish to fool yourself by believing that those of us who listen to him are a bunch of racist, bigots , homophobes go right ahead . But you couldnt be more wrong. The truth is we work hard, play by the rules ,provide for our families, and believe in liberty , freedom of speech , the pursuit of happiness,and that the less government in our lives the better. I think that it can be safely argued that those principles are held by a majority of Americans.You on the left need to look in the mirror and ask yourselves why are you so angry and full of hate ?

    Posted by limoman at 10/15/2009 @ 01:25am

27. I've never listened to the guy except when occasionally in the neighbors garage where he blares talk radio ,however it IS clear that this is a liable and slanderous HATE filled SMEAR by the leftwing national liberal media consortium! Dispicable journalism is their trademark!

    Posted by BigPasture at 10/15/2009 @ 01:28am

28. I don't think anyone here would qualify for jury duty.. Posted by YourJomamma at 10/15/2009 @ 12:50am

    Yeah, those cochlear implants (1) are very painful, and just the reason that he is still possibly taking pain medication. Hopefully he'll be procuring it himself this time. I'm certain that he's cleaned up his act. !. By the way, his own explanation for the drug abuse was his back problem, not his ear implant.

    And yes he was (documented) busted with viagra in an airport with someone else's name on it. He was caught with this drug after flying back from the Dominican Republic. I guess he was meeting his girlfriend there, right? It's a well known destination for recreational prostitution hook-ups. Now, in all fairness, he seemed to have an alibi for possession, but it was weak. Something about preserving his anonymity. With his money he could have surely figured something else out.

    I have listened to him on many occasions and found his talk to be inflammatory and abusive. Not really a constructive addition to the national dialogue. Wink -wink, nudge-nudge.

    Usually rightys are happily devisive and derisive. But when you hack on their boy Rush, off come the gloves. All said, there's no way anyone could generate the kind of negativity that Rush does, right, left, center or whatever. That's why he's rich.

    Not embarrassed either. Sorry. I listen to every shock jock, left AND right. Levin, Hannity, Cunningham, Rush. They all started playing James Brown and Earth, Wind, and Fire when the race cards were played. It was a marked departure from the country and martial music that they used to have as an intro. Them boys is funky!

    Posted by ficheye at 10/15/2009 @ 03:59am

29. Posted by YourJomamma at 10/15/2009 @ 12:50am

    To be fair I'll say that I think you make some good points on occasion. But ALL of the talk show guys are a target for me. I like to make fun of them because they are a poor substitute for forming your own opinion. And I'm generalizing here, meaning ALL americans, not just you.

    I like to be sarcastic, which gets me into hot water, but the very nature of having a daily show with ratings to consider causes all of these guys to step into some doo doo as a matter of course. That's what the problem is, I think. If they had weekly shows their commentary may be more concise... or not! ........................................

    On another note, Macintosh computers are great. They just suck you into spending more money in general. But things like updating your system software for free is pretty cool, even though you should check the internet for consumer bitching before you click the button. All in all they are much easier to use and maintain. Partition your disk so you can install TechTool Pro and you will be a happy man. You can start up from the smaller partition and defrag your disc on occasion... that's almost all you'll need to do.

    Posted by ficheye at 10/15/2009 @ 04:39am

30. Looks like Rushie has lost a little weight. Maybe he traded in his Vicodin for Speed. He does look a bit tweaky lately.

    As far as buying into a mainstream business like the NFL, no dice. None of the other owners want to be associated with a nutcase fringie. Rush is not Mainstream. Loonies need not apply as owners. Rush is a curiosity, like a freak in a side show, along with "his spawn" Glen Beck. Only a few take either one seriously. The rest just tune in for the comedy of psychotic's. Like they did centuries ago when people used to take pleasure tours to lunatic asylums to watch the nut's or more recently to freak shows at the circus.

    Posted by chaoszen at 10/15/2009 @ 05:16am

31. It's a well known destination for recreational prostitution hook-ups. Posted by ficheye at 10/15/2009 @ 03:59am

    A well known destination for hooking up with prostitution legally and where Viagra is freely available locally is Amsterdam.

    A well known destination for hooking up with pre-teen boys and girls is the Dominican Republic.

    Posted by chaoszen at 10/15/2009 @ 05:39am

32. I think a more appropriate sport for Rush Limberger to buy into would be Mud Wrestling with Femi-nazis. Yeh, he could build his own League!!!

    Whatever he does ,make no mistake about, I WANT HIM TO FAIL along with the other money grubbing right wing rabble rousing clowns and spewing spawns.

    Posted by thanksbutnothanks at 10/15/2009 @ 07:19am

33. Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer, with a political slant, as are Jon Stewart, Al Franken, Michael Moore. So was Mark Twain in the 19th century, Will Rogers in the 1930s, and Mort Sahl and Lenny Bruce in the 1960s.

    It goes back to Jonathan Swift, to Aristophanes. They all presented their politics as entertainment, and their entertainment as politics. They don't all do it equally well, but they are all in the same racket. It is the same trick but their proficiency varies.

    Leslie Savan's racket is hating and despising. That is her talent. A common talent, especially among radicals.

    Lacking imagination, lacking a sense of humor they lack a way to make their talent more acceptable, less ugly. They resent Limbaugh so fiercely because, while also a hater, he can make himself less odious by being funny. Lacking a sense of humor they are not won over.

    Maybe that is what humor is for. Maybe it is an evolutionary mechanism. To make strong feelings more palatable, to give them easier entree.

    Humor relates to what makes us human. The words have the same root. Humor helps humans get along. No other creature smiles.

    Leslie talks about fact checking entertainers. Has she ever considered the absence of fact checkers at the The Nation. It is the work of journalists. I am pretty sure, no one fact checked her piece, let alone she herself. But she worries about Limbaugh's facts. And does not for a moment feel ashamed.

    Feeling shame is another evolutionary mechanism, i a refinement. The capacity to feel shame distinguishes the more and less evolved human beings, so too the degree we are comfortable with lies.

    Lies can both help and harm. In science lies hurt, in politics they help. People doing science are vastly outnumbered by those interested in politics

    Posted by Pirovano at 10/15/2009 @ 07:45am

34. On another note, Macintosh computers are great. They just suck you into spending more money in general. But things like updating your system software for free is pretty cool, even though you should check the internet for consumer bitching before you click the button. All in all they are much easier to use and maintain. Partition your disk so you can install TechTool Pro and you will be a happy man. You can start up from the smaller partition and defrag your disc on occasion... that's almost all you'll need to do.

    Posted by ficheye at 10/15/2009 @ 04:39am

    I have been tempted to buy an Apple, I love my iphone,...but I am concerned that aside from learning a completely new operation system, that the programs I use now will have nto be "repurchased" or I will not have access to as many programs as my PC.

    Posted by YourJomamma at 10/15/2009 @ 07:58am

35. I find it interesting that the right wingers such as Droopy and the DuNcE are amongst the first to comment on many issues on this site. We liberals,the bad guys, are always taken to task by these guys who explain to us how the way we are thinking is wrong. The DuNcE says he never listens to Rush but he is defending him with MRC statements. How about this quote that got air time recently."We should not have segregated our student's buses". This quote is about 2 weeks old. Rush is current on his racist ideology. He said that on his show. Was he joking? You think the NFL players respect this guy? You think the NFL owners want this guy around?Rush,Newt, aqnd Rudy are the daily triple. All are on their third or fourth marriage. I guess they should be proud spokesman for the "family values Republican" party. Get Glenny out and celebrate him to while you are at it.

    Posted by whatozz at 10/15/2009 @ 08:05am

36. What has Rush Limbaugh said that is worse than the "typical white woman" remarks of the President or the "nappy" remarks of Don Imus? Just asking: I don't collect quotes like Mask or Honestliberal.

    Posted by Mistral at 10/15/2009 @ 08:24am

37. Rush's rant on the forces which led to his dismissal from the bidding group is priceless.

    He sounds very much like an alcoholic who'd been subjected to an intervention.

    Posted by skeletonman at 10/15/2009 @ 08:43am

38. Rush paid the price for his "political opinions". He makes a lot of money ranting the right wing propaganda and keeps the 30% crowd frothing at the mouth and is quite good at it too.

    There's a downside to that though. The NFL which is a pretty conservative organization (most of the team owners are republicans based on political donations) wouldn't let Rush come play with them. Why people ask.

    For starters, a lot of players despise Rush and wouldn't play for him no matter how much money the organization offered. Another reason is that the fan base of the Rams would be drastically reduced. Not everyone pulling for the rams is a racist neocon and these teams want all of the fans they can get to sell tickets and merchandise to.

    Imagine a Rush football team with all WASP players, you can also throw out the white democrat players who wouldn't play for him either. If they had let Rush on board, they might as well move their organization to Cananda to play football because they wouldn't be able to field a team that could win a game nor draw enough fans to pay for the purchase of a team.

    So, in the end, it's even good business to steer clear of the Rush Limbaugh types. Whole Foods took a clobbering not too long ago because their conservative leader thought he'd throw out his personal opinions about public healthcare. The damn fool didn't realize that a good chunk of his customers are yuppies and most of them side with the public option.

    The harder the neocons try to tighten their grip, the more resistance they'll have thrown back at them and the more power they'll lose over time.

    Posted by Wolfgang1 at 10/15/2009 @ 08:43am

39. Rush Limbaugh never had an image as a racist anywere but in liberal-land. Posted by sjchermak at 10/14/2009 @ 5:43pm

    So you're saying only liberals recognize racists! Which unfortunately may be totally true to new con repubs.

    If Rump Limppaw was actually an entertainer and not simply a racist hiding behind the label, imagine if you will, Rump Limppaw attempting to play Clint's role in Grand Torino.

    Would or could there ever be a believable transformative growth and redemption in character from Rump Limppaw's racist banter, or just the stench from his unbelievably bad acting and pilonidal cyst?

    I'd say, you be the judge, but then again-- only liberals can spot a racist... and apparently, the absence of credible acting.

    Posted by hsuBfools at 10/15/2009 @ 08:49am

40. Interesting how there are so many here who talk the talk of personal responsibility, but when one of their own is held to account for his own words and behaviors, the rush (no such thing as an unintended pun) is on to absolve the man.

    As was pointed out previously, here is an example of free market forces at work (spare me the canard about the NFL/Players Union being a closed system).

    "Whatever you condemn, you have done yourself."

    ~Georg Groddeck, The Book of the It, 1950

    Posted by skeletonman at 10/15/2009 @ 08:56am

41. Wolfgang1,

    You said ".....Not everyone pulling for the rams is a racist....."

    That includes Rush Limbaugh. He obviously pulls for the Rams (although he is primarily a Steelers fan....which is the correct team to be a fan of ......6 time winners, greatest NFL team ever)....AND Rush is not a racist.

    When you go to his website over a period of time and/or listen to his radio show you see he not only is a NOT a racist, but he speaks out against the policies of Democrats and those even further left of Democrat that do big time harm to Black America.

    If Rush is percieved as a racist by a large amount of the public, it is because a large amount of the "mainstream" media portray him that way.

    Obviously, it is about time for more people to look at what comes out of the mainstream media with more criticality.

    Also obviously, it is to be expected that hard lefties in places such as this would have the opinions they do about Rush......because hard lefties are wrong about a lot of things so one would not expect any different on this subject.

    (Prediction: Cccomfo1 will be posting in shortly taking me to task for saying "hard lefties are wrong about a lot of things"......I guess that is a labeling or generalization infraction or being too partisan or not open minded or whatever... I should not speculate until I look at the written citation I am given by patrolperson Cccomfo1 who will pull me over and cite me for discourse infractions on the information superhighway)

    Posted by sjchermak at 10/15/2009 @ 09:00am

42. hsuBfools,

    You are starting to drift into Phil McCrevice type discourse with your last post....it makes no sense whatsoever, nor does there appear to be any real point.

    Nevertheless, you still have a long way to go if you are trying to emulate Phil. For one thing, you forgot to call me an assclown.

    Try harder next time.

    Posted by sjchermak at 10/15/2009 @ 09:03am

43. Posted by sjchermak at 10/15/2009 @ 09:00am

    What absolute rubbish.

    The only reason that you don't see the trail of racist crap that has been vomited forth by this jerk is that you don't want to see it.

    As for the Steelers, you can have them. And that doofus Rothlisberger.

    Posted by skeletonman at 10/15/2009 @ 09:07am

44. Mistral, this is the quote quoted by Dave Zirin in The Nation:

    'We didn't have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I'm not saying we should bring it back; I'm just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark.'

    http://www.thenation.com /doc/20091026/zirin2

    I can't find the source of it, though, it may be just an internet rumor.

    Posted by HonestLiberal at 10/15/2009 @ 09:09am

45. you forgot to call me an assclown. Try harder next time. Posted by sjchermak at 10/15/2009 @ 09:03am

    It is no wonder why you empathize with a racist's victimhood.

    Posted by hsuBfools at 10/15/2009 @ 09:33am

46. Gods, I love snopes.com. Go to http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/limbaugh.asp to see which racist statements attributed to Limbaugh can be sourced and which can't.

    Posted by cka2nd at 10/15/2009 @ 10:16am

47. Rush Limbaugh walks into a bar with a frog on his head. The bartender looks at him and says, "what the hell is that?" The frog says, "all I know is that it started out as an anal cyst."

    Hey, Rush fans, I am not being mean or crude. It is just a joke. Don't go telling people what I said and quote me out of context.

    It must hurt for Rush to be rejected by powerful, rich, white billionaires. Welcome to the real world Rush. We can't always get what we want. Face it: Rush's friends dropped him. No one forced them to do it. They looked at the numbers, they took into consideration that he was a deal breaker. What is wrong with them moving forward? None of Rush's fanatical dittoheads will answer this for me. I want to know what is wrong with the other NFL owners seeing that a man who would be contributing very little money (in comparison to what majority owners put in) would be a permanent liability to the NFL brand because he earns his living by being on the radio for hours and saying over the top things. The owners conveyed to Dave Checketts and the others that he would not be permitted into their exclusive business. So they dropped him because they wanted to invest and grow their money. Capitalism isn't always fair. It is a market theory that does not take into account the virtues of free speech. It rewards cost and operational efficiency, many times that includes punishing someone for exercising one's rights. Capitalism has no morals, it just has numbers. Once again, I am asking you dittoheads: what is wrong with these businessmen acting in the best interest of their own money?

    Posted by BronxBomber at 10/15/2009 @ 10:46am

48. For those readers needing a reminding of Rush's racism, please consult the following link:

    http://mediamatters.org/research/200910130049

    Posted by srjenkins at 10/15/2009 @ 10:58am

49. Posted by sjchermak at 10/14/2009 @ 5:43pm

    Okay, SJ....what IS the context for Rush saying to a black caller to his old DJ show-

    "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back!"?

    I'd really like to know.

    Posted by Mask at 10/15/2009 @ 11:05am

50. limbaugh has no post-secondary education, and neither do hannity or beck. limbaugh dropped out of the prestigious (snark) southeast missouri state university after only two semesters, and flunked everything. hannity dropped out of, not one, but two crappy colleges. beck never attended any college.

    limbaugh frequently makes false and totally outrageous claims which never go contested; and he never allows guests on his show to contest him. the interviews he does are incredibly fluffy (the today show, jay leno, etc), and he refuses to debate (with a professional moderator and/or fact checker) a ny prominent liberal pundits on policy issues.

    limbaugh also never served in the military.

    for a man who fancies himself as a 'tough-guy-warrior-conservative,' he sure is extremely fearful (and cowardly) of putting his ideas to the test, within in a public setting.

    basically, limbaugh is your typical small-dick conservative wussy. and three divorces says it all. he can't ever please a woman. but he can certain pay to abuse one.

    Posted by darladoon at 10/15/2009 @ 11:06am

51. "It is no wonder why you empathize with a racist's victimhood."----Posted by hsuBfools at 10/15/2009 @ 09:33am |

    And keep in mind, this is the same guy who constantly bemoans "liberals playing the victim card!"

    Yet Rush will spend the past few days, today, and likely into the future talking about how he was a "victim of the Media" because the NFL didn't give him his "Golden EIB Parachute" for when the contract runs out in 2012.

    Posted by Mask at 10/15/2009 @ 11:08am

52. Capitalism has no morals, it just has numbers. Once again, I am asking you dittoheads: what is wrong with these businessmen acting in the best interest of their own money?

    Posted by BronxBomber at 10/15/2009 @ 10:46am

    You nailed it. Capitalism has no morals. It's about the bottom line and that is profits. That is also the reason why we pay more for medical care in this country than any other countries. Profits are the bottom line for the insurance industry. So, to increase the bottom line for themsevles, they have spent millions upon millions in the lobbbying arena. This has paid off for them in a big way.

    They ended up with no anti-trust rules to keep them in check and now have evidently acquired roughly half the senate of the United States along with lesser number in the house. Their campaign contributions have paid off for them as well as their revolving doors to K street for ex-congressmen who were loyal to them.

    Capitalism in and of itself isn't any more evil than socialism or communism. But left unchecked, it's as bad as unchecked socialism or communism. History has proven the point time and time again. There is no perfect all encomopassing economic system to keep itself honest. The fall of the Soviet Empire was greed and the decaying of our empire is being caused by greed.

    So, Rush, who's the big capitalism cheerleader got his ass bit by pure capitalism and is now whining to his followers that the liberal dems did this to him. This couldn't be further from the truth. Rush sees the world through neocon blinders that only allow in Red light....all other colors are bad to him...especially blue.

    Posted by Wolfgang1 at 10/15/2009 @ 11:12am

53. Posted by darladoon at 10/15/2009 @ 11:06am

    Well said Darla.

    Posted by Wolfgang1 at 10/15/2009 @ 11:16am

54. .....what is wrong with these businessmen acting in the best interest of their own money?

    Posted by BronxBomber at 10/15/2009 @ 10:46am

    Nothing....that's what's called FREEDOM!

    The bidding group is totally free to weigh the distraction of having Rush or not....and being short-sighted, as most are, they chose NOT to deal with it.

    Longer-term, should they win the Rams, they will perhaps come to regret NOT having RL promote the Rams, for FREE, up to 3 hours per day, 5 days a week.

    Even now, there is a budding movement to boycott the NFL.....again, FREEDOM, for `consumers' of everything NFL, to decide whether once politicized, they want to continue to give their money to a bunch of "businessmen" and players.

    BTW, 70% of NFL players are black but guess how many black owners there are? Another thing, which goes to show you don't know the dynamics of Rush's popularity at all......he thrives on being "rejected" by powerful, rich, white billionaires....remember George Sorros?

    BTW2: I have nothing against GS who making money hand-over-fist, like Warren Buffet, while putting up a facade as `good' liberals! I wish I could be that slick....great humanitarian laughing all the way to the bank, and often!

    Posted by Happy at 10/15/2009 @ 11:23am

55. Oh, time to go catch some rush!

    Posted by Happy at 10/15/2009 @ 11:23am

56. Posted by Happy at 10/15/2009 @ 11:23am

    You really going to enjoy a 3 hour whine?

    Posted by Mask at 10/15/2009 @ 11:33am

57. Posted by Happy at 10/15/2009 @ 11:23am

    You must be made of Silly Putty, because that is one hell of a stretch.

    Posted by skeletonman at 10/15/2009 @ 11:38am

58. ou really going to enjoy a 3 hour whine?

    Posted by Mask at 10/15/2009 @ 11:33am

    There's plenty of cheese on that show to go with it.

    Posted by skeletonman at 10/15/2009 @ 11:39am

59. 'Go to http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/limbaugh.asp to see which racist statements attributed to Limbaugh can be sourced and which can't.' -- cka2nd

    So, is that quote about slavery a real quote or was Dave Zirin just grinding the rumor mill?

    Posted by HonestLiberal at 10/15/2009 @ 11:45am

60. Posted by sjchermak at 10/14/2009 @ 5:43pm

    Totally off topic, but you got a thing for Mask, don'cha, sjcherm?

    It's OK. We're all liberals over here. Being gay is just fine with us. Even a bigoted, racist right winger like Rush could find a nice place with the queers. So...find your heart within yourself and be true to who you REALLY are. I am sure that, irregardless of his own sexuality, Mask will be flattered that you came out of the closet just for him.

    Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 12:00pm

61. Posted by frosty zoom at 10/14/2009 @ 9:11pm

    Yeah, i read about that. Some lefties tried to make doing what got us into this mess illegal and Wall Street freaked out!!!

    How DARE Congress try to make what we do for a living illegal? What are we, teenaged mine workers? No! We're highly paid, semi-well educated financial speculators who gamble with other people's money and can expect a government bailout (with other people's money) when we screw up too much!

    I was sickened by it, yet I am sure our Republican brethren will stand by Wall Street come what may.

    BTW, go see Capitalism, if you haven't already.

    Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 12:07pm

62. Obama makes numerous racist statements, and he's given the most pwerful job in America! Sotomayer makes numerous racist statements and is rewarded with a seat on the supreme court! Rush Limbaugh makes questionable statements, and has his rights taken away! Jimmy The Greek makes questionable statements abount race and loses his career for life! Trent Lott compliments a 100 year old man who was a segrgationist, and is forced to resign from his position as speaker! Al Sharpton ruins the lives and careers of at least 3 policeman with a racial hoax, still hasn't apologized, and nothing was done to hime. Jesse Jackson has made more racist statements than all these people combined and.....NOTHING! The blatant difference between who, of these previously named people, had their career's destroyed and those who haven't? SKIN COLOR! Racism is alive and well in America today, it's just the complete opposite type of racism than what the left wants to prentend still exists.

    Posted by barry25 at 10/15/2009 @ 12:08pm

63. If Rush is percieved as a racist by a large amount of the public, it is because a large amount of the "mainstream" media portray him that way.

    Posted by CHERMAK at 10/15/2009 @ 09:00am

    Rush Limbaugh said: Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?

    Rush Limbaugh said: Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.

    Rush Limbaugh said: Take that bone out of your nose and call me back (to an African American female caller).

    (The above statements were posted on Media Matters and accompanied by an audio clip. Snopes.com, the rumor debunking site, also confirmed their legitimacy and dismissed some others, to be fair).

    And then there's his respectable and unbiased addition to the karaoke repertoire: Barack the Magic Negro. He didn't write it, but he put it on the national news scene by playing it on the air.

    Some statements were made near the beginning of his career... but we all know that after the drug bust he was a changed man.

    Posted by ficheye at 10/15/2009 @ 12:24pm

64. My take on this whole issue is a that a gotcha mentality that pervades all media and politics rules. It will never change.

    I've often thought about writing two different books.

    The first was to be titled, 'The Second Civil War.'

    The second, 'American Journalism, the Dumbing Down of America.'

    By the time I get around to writing the first one, it will already have happened. The second already has. Examples:

    Sarah Palin makes a stetement that she can see Russia from her backyard and the left makes her out to be a lunatic because her intent is purposfully misunderstood and presented that way to America. Tina Fey does a comedy routine and the idiots who watch it think it's actually Sarah herself.

    John Kerry wins a Silver Star in Vietnam and the rightwing swiftboaters take him down. Limbaugh and Fox run with it.

    Bill Clinton can't keep his dick in his pants and it the media, led by Limbaugh and Fox again, it defines his Presidency.

    Al Gore makes a statement that his legislation was instrumental in the advent of the internet, (paraphrasing), and all of a sudden he becomes a laughing stock known as ALGORE who claims he invented the internet. Dumb-downed America buys it and we get GWB for eight years.

    Gerald Ford has an unfortunate mishap descending the stairs of Air Force One and he becomes Chevy Chase. I believe Ford also nailed someone in the head with a golfball once.

    There are many more. My point is that the media is out of control. Is this the price, we the people pay for freedom of the press? Media and politicians have a responsibility to clean up it's act or as Billy Joel once sang in 'Goodnight Saigon', 'We'll all go down together.'

    People need to hold these institutions accountable. The Tea Party's efforts are a good start.

    Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 12:35pm

65. Longer-term, should they win the Rams, they will perhaps come to regret NOT having RL promote the Rams, for FREE, up to 3 hours per day, 5 days a week.

    Posted by Happy at 10/15/2009 @ 11:23am

    Not that I'm a fan of Rush, but wouldn't three hours a day hawking the RAMS of all teams drive away even the most loyal dittoheads like sjcherm and yourself?

    I mean, how can the guy still be a good democrat basher when he's hawking the Rams? Not that he has any currently, but wouldn't that completely destroy any credibility he has left even with YOU GUYS?

    One of my fellow co-workers (a Female African-American) said it best this morning when she came out with, "Oh, too bad. Rush won't be able to live his dream of owning black men."

    Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 12:36pm

66. Posted by Mask at 10/15/2009 @ 11:08am

    Yeah, whining-- most probably per he's never had a real mannish type hard labor job. To take the Gran Torino analogy even further, if Rump Limppaw were playing the racist spouting role of the Clint Eastwood character, rather than Rump vs the gang, he'd be dealing for drugs with them. Rump would be hitting on the young pretty Hmong girl next door. Instead of a garage full of tools he'd have cigars and a hot tub, probably leather sex contraptions. His wife would've left him instead of died, unless of course he tried to get on top and squashed her...

    Why do new con repubs love the gianormous tub of jello? Because there's always room for more-- hate!

    No redemption for the Rump pus.

    Posted by hsuBfools at 10/15/2009 @ 12:39pm

67. Posted by barry25 at 10/15/2009 @ 12:08pm

    barry, go eat your cereal. No one took Rush's rights away. It is not a RIGHT to own an NFL franchise.

    Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 12:39pm

68. The Tea Party's efforts are a good start. Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 12:35pm

    Hmmm. I went up to the state capital in Olympia. There were many, many signs about guns and socialism and other crazy stuff that made the crowd look immature and redneck. People looking for confrontation with others. Jesus freaks handing out cards. It seemed infiltrated by kooks. Maybe your experience was different, but it seemed mainly an anti-liberal group looking to divide and not unite.

    I liked some of what you said about the media, but the Tea Party needs a little fixing before all Americans can jump on board.

    Posted by ficheye at 10/15/2009 @ 12:48pm

69. People need to hold these institutions accountable. The Tea Party's efforts are a good start.

    Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 12:35pm

    Gunslinger, sometimes, you sound almost middle of the road (I agree with most of your post about the "gotcha" mentality of the press), then you post some crap like that and reveal yourself to be a true bigot.

    So instead of forcing our public officials to start telling us the truth about things, your solution is to monitor the media? Evidently you DON'T believe in a free press. The press has been mocking politicians since the beginning of politics. Today, we simply do it much faster and less intelligently. So while Palin said she could see Russia from her front door (paraphrasing), did the press not (eventually) get it exactly right? This woman is a crackpot and you want her for Vice President? She couldn't even name George Bush's policies to Katie Couric, yet you want her finger on the nuclear trigger?

    Would you have wanted her for that position if she had been fat and ugly? I doubt the Republicans would have even CONSIDERED her for the post. Why? Because Republicans have to reach out to their base: white southern men, and although she was from Alaska, she sounded kinda southern...at least she sounded kinda ignorant (and I'm FROM the south).

    Just curious, how would you "hold these institutions accountable" without interfering with the First Amendment, eh?

    Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 12:49pm

70. Posted by ficheye at 10/15/2009 @ 12:24pm

    It's true, Limbaugh is the kid in the Principal's office who can talk his way out of suspension. He's made several derogotory comments about people of color over the years, some of which can be considered racist in nature. Limbaugh has a larger pulpit than the President himself, only because he's out there every day, hammering his conservative philosophy into the heads of his audience. Sometimes blaming minority groups fit into his monologue. But I really doubt that he's a racist. His enemies are way too sensitive. He's just bombastic and lives on the oratory edge.

    We also need to pay attention to double standards. Has anyone ever listened to rap lyrics? What about Sharpton and Jackson's past comments. Why is Imus still on the air?

    Limbaugh lives by the sword and he's just been impaled. He shouldn't be crying about it. but he should stop playing the Barack the Magic Negro' parody. Otherwise, he comes across as the mouthpiece for all the closet racists out there and it's a very dangerous game to be playing.

    He should be able to point out the problems cause by past democratic policies without trying to incite. Welfare abuse, abortion, affirmative action, etc. are all policies or results of policies and/or decisions that can be argued by intelligent people without playing inciteful parodies.

    Rush is right when he says that SNL should be held to the same standards that he is, as should Letterman. America can use a good laugh, but not as a double standard. We've grown mean-spirited. I'm probably guilty myself. We all need to take a good look in the mirror. America could be such a better example for the world if the media would just get a grip.

    Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 12:52pm

71. One of my fellow co-workers (a Female African-American) said it best this morning when she came out with, "Oh, too bad. Rush won't be able to live his dream of owning black men."

    Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 12:36pm

    My black co workers and immediate superior thought Rush was railroaded...and believes Sharpton and Ol' Jesse are the ones who should be ..ostracised and examined for fraud and scamming, especially Ol' Jesse...

    Where are their churches, again? How do they affoprd $2,000 suits?

    Posted by YourJomamma at 10/15/2009 @ 12:55pm

72. America could be such a better example for the world if the media would just get a grip. Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 12:52pm

    I can agree with most of that.

    However, I think SNL needs to be free to parody anybody. They are starting to take Obama to task as well as all the others. There's a fine line to be considered when including humor shows that aren't just presenting serious political opinions. I know that they are considered a liberal humorist group, but as I said, there are signs that this is changing.

    Their main problem is that they aren't always very funny.

    Posted by ficheye at 10/15/2009 @ 12:59pm

73. Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 12:49pm |

    There's nothing in that statement or in any other that I've posted that presents me as a bigot. That's just your own 'conditioning.'

    I believe in not only a free press, but also a responsible press. That goes for all facets of it.

    Why do you consider Sarah Palin to be a 'crackpot?' Because you heard something on a leftwing slanted network that wanted to present her that way? Or did you actually listen to her speeches and form your own opinion? How about reading her book when it comes out and make a decision then. In her departure sppech, upon leaving the Governorship of Alaska, she pointed the finger at the insane media, something we are discussing today, and something that needs a whole lot more dialogue. No-one in history has been publically assualted like Sarah.

    The rest of your response illustrates that you cannot be engaged in productive debate.

    Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 12:59pm

74. Just curious, how would you "hold these institutions accountable" without interfering with the First Amendment, eh?

    Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 12:49pm

    I would advise people like you to turn off the tube and read something.

    Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 1:00pm

75. "My black co workers and immediate superior thought Rush was railroaded"

    anyone else have a hard time believing this?

    Posted by darladoon at 10/15/2009 @ 1:02pm

76. Posted by YourJomamma at 10/15/2009 @ 12:55pm

    Hell, aren't some NFL players also WHITE? This is the idiocy that catatonic people espouse when they become sheep.

    Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 1:03pm

77. Posted by ficheye at 10/15/2009 @ 12:59pm

    Ok. So why is Limbaugh held to a different standard. Is it because Limbaugh isn't on NBC?

    Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 1:05pm

78. It's pretty funny what happened to Rush when you think about it. He exercised his free speech and aired his opinions publicly and now is having to deal with the consequences of his actions.

    Haven't we heard that from the right wing folks? You know, being responsible for actions and the like. If your average Joe tries waltzing into work and airing out what he doesn't like about the his work place or co-workers one can usually guess what would happen. Sure, you are free to say it, and they are free to fire you after you say it. It's a free country....to a certain degree. Freedom isn't free (had to use the old redneck military slogan). Poor Rush found out the hard way! LOL

    Posted by Wolfgang1 at 10/15/2009 @ 1:05pm

79. skeletonman,

    You said: ".....And that doofus Rothlisberger......"

    He could well be a doofus, after all he went motorcycle riding without a helmet after Coach Bill Cower told him not to, and he got injured.

    I don't know if motorcyclists are required to wear helmets in Pennsylvania but it is moot because if Coach Cower told him to wear the helmet, he should have worn the helmet.

    Whenever you would see Coach Cower on the sidelines on television he never looked in a good mood and looked like somebody you would not want to piss off.

    However, despite that, the Steelers are six time winners, greatest NFL team ever, so if you say I can have them, fine....I will take them!

    Posted by sjchermak at 10/15/2009 @ 1:13pm

80. darladoon,

    You asked:

    =========

    "My black co workers and immediate superior thought Rush was railroaded"

    anyone else have a hard time believing this?

    =========

    Answer: No

    Question: Why do YOU have a hard time believing it? Are you a racist, stereotyping blacks? Automatically assuming a black person would have a specific opinion or not, based on you stereotype and not based on reality?

    Hmmm?

    Posted by sjchermak at 10/15/2009 @ 1:17pm

81. Posted by Wolfgang1 at 10/15/2009 @ 1:05pm

    Have to take issue with you. First of all, there's nothing funny about denying someone their freedom to make a business deal because they have a big mouth. In Rush's case, as I've said earlier, he's lived by the sword. Doesn't some bigoted rapper own an NBA team or part of one? But we need to get a handle on our collective senses if we are going to continue to single people out. That's a very slippery slope.

    As for your inane comment about freedom, (can't describe it as anything else), that's not a redneck exhortation, it's an American one. That has been proven over and over again. Visit Arlington and get in touch with your better half. You are free to do so.

    Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 1:18pm

82. Ok. So why is Limbaugh held to a different standard. Is it because Limbaugh isn't on NBC? Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 1:05pm

    That could be considered a joke.

    Limbaughs job is not humor - it's political commentary.

    SNL's job is to make fun of everything - including public figures, musicians, and celebrities of all stripes.

    I'm not really sure that there is a comparison here unless SNL offends you. I don't watch it anymore except by accident. As I said, they just aren't as funny as they used to be. Not worth staying up so late.

    Posted by ficheye at 10/15/2009 @ 1:19pm

83. I would advise people like you to turn off the tube and read something.

    Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 1:00pm

    ...an awfully glib answer to a well meaning question...

    and BTW, I don't watch television news (except local). I don't watch Maddow (sometimes I upload a segment or two), I don't watch Olberman, Beck, or any of the other talkers. I DO listen to Stephanie Miller in the mornings on my way to work (for about a 1/2 hour commute).

    I will admit to a weakness for "Gray's Anatomy," "House" and the new one "Flash Forward" (Joseph Fiennes is just DREAMY, don't you agree?). Oh, and football. I love football, but I can't even watch Monday Night Football anymore since it's on ESPN. I will admit to loving the Lakers.

    I will even admit that I am NOT one of those liberal PBS viewers...so sorry to destroy a stereotype for ya.

    I don't have cable or satellite and I read things all the time, like every single night before I go to bed.

    So, "gunslinger" I guess you've shown me, huh?

    Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 1:24pm

84. typo,

    Up above I mispelled former Coach Bill Cowher's name as Cower..

    So I am a doofus too, just like Ben Rothlisberger....

    But the Steelers are still six time winners, until after this current season...

    Then they will be seven time winners.

    Posted by sjchermak at 10/15/2009 @ 1:24pm

85. not based on reality? Hmmm? Posted by CHERMAK

    Pot, kettle thing. Body struggles to jettison brain.

    Posted by ficheye at 10/15/2009 @ 1:25pm

86. Posted by YourJomamma at 10/15/2009 @ 12:55pm

    Every time you use the name "Ol Jesse," I think of Mr. Helms fondly. May he rot in hell.

    Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 1:26pm

87. Stephen_Carver1,

    After your post above regarding me I figured you to be a jerk.

    Then I found out (above) you are a Laker fan.

    I am a Sacramento Kings fan (yes, I know your Lakers won the title and my Kings didn't even make the playoffs) and so now I don't know if you are a jerk or just hopelessly misguided.

    Posted by sjchermak at 10/15/2009 @ 1:29pm

88. "Why do you consider Sarah Palin to be a 'crackpot?' Because you heard something on a leftwing slanted network that wanted to present her that way? Or did you actually listen to her speeches and form your own opinion?"

    Yes, I did listen to her speeches. Almost all of America did because no one knew who she was (including the press) and she was nominated to be Vice President.

    In those early days, she had no filter, no media controllers (except McCain's ineffectual team) and she said what she thought. She proved herself to be practically illiterate, certainly about global political matters and kinda folksy. Well, after eight years of folksy, I wanted something different.

    BTW, I think the Republicans, if they had run McCain in 2000 instead of Bush, we (and the Republican party, I might add) might not be in this position, because I like McCain...or at least the guy he was before he trashed all his principles to become the Republican nominee.

    "How about reading her book when it comes out and make a decision then. In her departure sppech, upon leaving the Governorship of Alaska, she pointed the finger at the insane media, something we are discussing today, and something that needs a whole lot more dialogue. No-one in history has been publically assualted like Sarah."

    I will not give SP any money to continue her disgraceful adventure into national politics. She has already proven herself to my satisfaction. As for her "poor little me against the media" trip, all I say is this, "If you can't handle the fire, get out of the kitchen" and yes, that applies to Obama and Faux News, too.

    "The rest of your response illustrates that you cannot be engaged in productive debate."

    Is that better? Do I meet your high intellectual criteria now?

    Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 1:36pm

89. I'm not really sure that there is a comparison here unless SNL offends you. I don't watch it anymore except by accident. As I said, they just aren't as funny as they used to be. Not worth staying up so late.

    Posted by ficheye at 10/15/2009 @ 1:19pm

    I agree, they are not as funny as they once were. But don't ever think that I find them offensive. I have a problem with people who would think they are actually watching Sarah Palin because Tina did such a great impersonation. I have the same problem with people thinking they were actually seeing GB and GWB when Dana Carvey and Will Ferrell were impersonating them. Believe it or not, there are people who think that way. On a lesser degree, many people are too lazy to actually read serious journalism, (harder and harder to find), or to tune in to political programming and would find it a lot easier to watch SNL and base their opinions on that content.

    Bediseds, the real GWB was hysterical.

    Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 1:51pm

90. So, "gunslinger" I guess you've shown me, huh?

    Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 1:24pm

    Not at all. You're a pretty average guy. Thanks for pointing that out.

    Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 1:53pm

91. Hell, aren't some NFL players also WHITE? This is the idiocy that catatonic people espouse when they become sheep.

    Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 1:03pm

    Yeah, and I wonder how many of them are going to stand up for their man, Rush? Hmmm, not a one? Why not, I wonder. Perhaps it's because they don't want to be PERCEIVED as racists by supporting a racist whether they actually are racists or not. Kinda like standing up in church and shouting support for the KKK. It COULD get you kicked out of church (or in this case, the NFL).

    Ya see the problem right? Rush was literally "hoisted on his own petard" and will end up complaining about it for weeks.

    I agree with everything the BronxBomber posted. Capitalism did in Rush's bid to own an NFL team. It's not "the media's" fault. Rush has been outspoken for many years and his outspokenness did him in (that, and the fact that people other than him have recordings of some of his more egregious statements). Now, if he could just sweep all that under the rug or soften his image, maybe he could own that team, but he should have thought of that long ago.

    Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 1:55pm

92. Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009

    It's a little better but I don't remember saying you had to buy the book, just read it. There will be plenty of copies around. It's already number one in the biographical catagory on Amazon and number seven overall and it won't even be released until mid November. Aparently not everyone thinks like you do or can be as easily led.

    Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 1:59pm

93. Ok. So why is Limbaugh held to a different standard. Is it because Limbaugh isn't on NBC?

    Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 1:05pm

    I don't believe Rush has EVER spoke of himself as being a comedian, or his words, as being jokes. Parody is protected by law. Free Speech is protected by law.

    Rush's speech is held to a different standard by our culture, not by our law, because

    1. He isn't funny, nor is he a comedian.

    2. His words have actually hurt people, and the public only puts up with that for so long. If he WERE a comedian, he would get less cultural attention, and would probably have a much smaller radio audience.

    So, he made his Faustian bargain years ago and it stopped him this year from buying an NFL franchise. So what? Who cares? Life goes on, get over it.

    Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 2:00pm

94. how could anyone deny limbaum is a racist? he is a bigot. does that sound better? to define a bigot you ask yourself do my words and opinions marginalize or harm others, do i make people whom i don't even know feel less than perfect and valuable? so rush baby has to answer yes to those two questions. -and i say to all his insultees- what do we care? he's an A.H.!

    Posted by hrazaa at 10/15/2009 @ 2:02pm

95. Kinda like standing up in church and shouting support for the KKK. It COULD get you kicked out of church (or in this case, the NFL).

    Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 1:55pm

    Or standing up in church and shouting 'Goddamn America,' while a future President sits there adoring you.

    Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 2:03pm

96. Posted by sjchermak at 10/15/2009 @ 1:29pm

    I prefer hopelessly misguided. Do I get a vote?

    Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 2:04pm

97. Posted by hrazaa at 10/15/2009 @ 2:02pm

    Of course then, you consider Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, bigots as well, correct?

    Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 2:05pm

98. It's a little better but I don't remember saying you had to buy the book, just read it. There will be plenty of copies around. It's already number one in the biographical catagory on Amazon and number seven overall and it won't even be released until mid November. Aparently not everyone thinks like you do or can be as easily led.

    Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 1:59pm

    I used to work in the retail book business (during college), and I know for a fact that the primary (not sole) reason her book is #1 in presales is because large Right-wing institutions buy them in bulk to give out (for free! no Capitalism there, folks) as gifts to donors. And with the holidays coming up....

    That's not to say there are many of her fans out there (god bless em!) who have also ordered the book in advance, but the primary reason is corporate.

    I don't consider myself "easily led" at all. If you read what I wrote, I said I liked the old McCain and made my own mind up (pretty quickly I must add) that I think Sarah Palin was an idiot who did not have any of the qualities I look for in a Vice Presidential candidate...like intelligence. She was too "good ol boy" folksy for me after 8 years of "good ol boy" folksiness that in my opinion, had taken this country to the brink of ruin.

    If she somehow, against all odds, manages to remake herself and become intelligent, then perhaps I will reconsider my opinions about her, none of which were formed by "the media." I just have a brain and I attempt to use it every single day.

    Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 2:15pm

99. I agree with everything the BronxBomber posted. Capitalism did in Rush's bid to own an NFL team......maybe he could own that team, but he should have thought of that long ago.

    Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 1:55pm

    You and the Bomber are the reasons HAPPY CAPITALISTS can make money! Interpret it however you like! We own you!

    For Rush, even as 100% owner of the Rams, isn't likely to be as profitable as, well, being Rush on am radio!

    Posted by Happy at 10/15/2009 @ 2:19pm

100. 1. He isn't funny, nor is he a comedian.

     2. His words have actually hurt people,...

     Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 2:00pm

     "He isn't funny...", now, that's funny, LOL! His making the Libs get all uptight alone, is funny.....one doesn't even need to listen to his show.....Hahahaha!

     Has Magic's words ever hurt anybody? Bill and Hillary Clinton? Harry "The War is Lost" Reid?

     Has YOUR words ever hurt anybody?

     You Libs are pretty amazing!

     Posted by Happy at 10/15/2009 @ 2:23pm

101. Or standing up in church and shouting 'Goddamn America,' while a future President sits there adoring you.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 2:03pm

     What Reverend Wright said was deplorable, although I actually agree that there are many things about America that should be "damned by god" if I were a religious man, which I'm not. I am a man of faith, not religion, and god is not an American.

     I think we should damn the people who don't care about the poor or the homeless. I think we should damn the people who think war is a good thing, against the teachings of their own (supposed) beliefs. I think we should damn people in this country who put profit over good health care. I think we should damn people who put profit over public safety, clean drinking water, clean air, etc., etc., etc.

     Reverend Wright's words have certainly stopped him from doing many things, including preaching because he resigned after all the hoopla. He certainly will never own an NFL team even if he wanted to.

     How is Rush's situation ANY different, except for the fact he gains audience by being more controversial and Reverend Wright lost his job because of his controversial statements?

     You're the one who thinks we should 'control the media' yet you cheerlead for one of the worst abusers of the public (yes, they are still owned by you and me) airwaves in modern history. I'm not saying we should gag Rush (although I might pay money to see it..heheh), I simply think that PEOPLE must be held accountable (not "the media" whatever that is) for their words and actions. Rush got exactly what he deserved.

     Where's that old Republican ideal about "personal responsibility" now? I certainly don't see any of the Republican brethren on this site talking about it!

     Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 2:29pm

102. "My black co workers and immediate superior thought Rush was railroaded" anyone else have a hard time believing this? Posted by darladoon at 10/15/2009 @ 1:02pm

     That's a new con repub talk radio spin technique that I've heard a lot. They're all on with the same paid talking point "I'm a black caller" and "sure I don't sound black, but I listen to Rush and I don't think he's a racist" and "yeah it was wrong to do that to him", but then after 2-3 like that, one caller will say something sensible like: "yeah I listen, but hell no he shouldn't own a team per the divisions he'd cause like he does on his show" --click...

     But for sure there are all kinds. Minorities with tons of self-hatred that are totally against their own self interests, do exist.

     Posted by hsuBfools at 10/15/2009 @ 3:17pm

103. will admit to a weakness for "Gray's Anatomy," "House" and the new one "Flash Forward" (Joseph Fiennes is just DREAMY, don't you agree?)....posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 1:24pm

     Gotta agree with you on "House". That show is excellent. "Gray's Anatomy" is ok ( I used to live in Seattle so it reminds me of the old days).

     Posted by Wolfgang1 at 10/15/2009 @ 3:23pm

104. Posted by Happy at 10/15/2009 @ 2:19pm

     Happy, if all you are worried about is "owning" things (or liberals), then I feel truly sorry for you because "he with the most toys" doesn't win at the end.

     However, I will admit that I almost always enjoy your posts. I find humor in them and I always believe humor is a good thing.

     I am not anti-Capitalist. I think capitalism is the best thing going (when combined with democracy) as long as it is regulated against greed. I am simply against free reign capitalism, because it's just as bad as free reign communism. Ultimately they both lead to totalitarianism (because of greed, I might add) and all the people lose.

     I wish you luck in your capitalistic pursuits. I hope you make tons of money and that you get everything you wish for in life, because it sounds like a pretty short list.

     May you always be HAPPY. Just not at the expense of others, because then you would have to rename yourself as SELFISH.

     Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 3:27pm

105. But for sure there are all kinds. Minorities with tons of self-hatred that are totally against their own self interests, do exist.

     Posted by hsuBfools at 10/15/2009 @ 3:17pm

     They may exist, but I've yet to meet one. I'd have to say that probably 50% of my friends are black and I can assure you that not one of them thinks highly of Flush Rimjob.

     Posted by Wolfgang1 at 10/15/2009 @ 3:32pm

106. Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 2:15pm

     Sarah Palin doesn't have to 'remake' anything. If anything, she needs to learn how to handle the leftwing smear merchants a little better. I understand wht the left feels threatened by her. It's easy to see from the center.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 3:34pm

107. Has Magic's words ever hurt anybody? Bill and Hillary Clinton? Harry "The War is Lost" Reid?

     Has YOUR words ever hurt anybody?

     You Libs are pretty amazing!

     Posted by Happy at 10/15/2009 @ 2:23pm

     Interesting that your entire list of people on the left are politicians and if there's ONE THING we know Rush isn't, it's the "Leader of the Republican Party."

     So, you're comparing an "entertainer" to a bunch of politicians. Setting your own little double standard there, ain'tcha Happy?

     Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 3:41pm

108. Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 2:29pm

     I don't remember ever hearing Rush say 'Goddamn America', except for when he was quoting the good Reverend. And please, I'm not defending Rush Limbaugh by any means. He doesn't need my help. Besides, I think much of what he says is inciteful.

     I also do not have any respect for Barack Obama as a President because he actually did travel overseas and he did dis America, this while we are fighting two wars. A President simply cannot do those things, especially while guys are dying. It's not quite traitorous but some would consider it so.

     Take the blinders off and set yourself free to think clearly. You live in the greatest country that ever existed on planet earth and you enjoy the greatest standard of living. We may not be perfect but it is not an elected President's place to point out the flaws. That would be a dictator's M.O.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 3:42pm

109. Sarah Palin doesn't have to 'remake' anything. If anything, she needs to learn how to handle the leftwing smear merchants a little better. I understand wht the left feels threatened by her. It's easy to see from the center.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 3:34pm

     'slinger, you're about as "centrist" as my far right toe.

     I admit SP has a lot of star power. She's good looking, wears glasses so she looks intelligent, and has a beautiful (if dysfunctional) white family. (But then again, aren't all families dysfunctional.) She has everything that conservatives expect in their women...and she's not threatening to Rush Limbaugh, so he won't call her a feminazi.

     However, it wasn't "the media" or "the left" who put her children front and center of her campaign. She did. As a mother, she decided she couldn't run on her own credentials (since she really didn't have any), so she decided to put her family front and center to show her "family values" credentials. The fact she had an unwed teenaged pregnant daughter I thought would backfire on her, but Republicans are NOTHING if not inconsistent with their morals.

     The fact the "media" then decided to find out who SP is (and that now included her family since she made that choice)...well, that's their job. Obama told EVERYONE from the beginning, you leave my children out of it, and I would say he was relatively successful, not because of some vast left wing media conspiracy, but because he was serious and firm about it. SP was never serious about leaving her children out of it, so in that sense, she also got what she deserved (although the children didn't deserve it, but what were they to do, tell mom, "No, I don't want to go in front of all those cameras.")?

     And you're right; she should remake absolutely NOTHING!

     Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 4:00pm

110. credentials

     Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 4:00pm

     Posted by Mistral at 10/15/2009 @ 4:14pm

111. Posted by barry25 at 10/15/2009 @ 12:08pm

     Where ya' been, BARRY? Gotta couple questions for you...

     1. Prove to us that you are descended from American citizens and not one of the free-loading illegal immigrants that you constantly moan self-importantly about.

     2. Explain to us why someone like yourself, who is so imbued with anger and rightwick pathology, should be allowed on a plane, train or bus in light of your unashamed nostalgia for Sepetember 12 (which is, of course, impossible to be nostalgic about without...the mass murder of September 11).

     3. Furthermore, as by your own admisasion you are descended from the most chauvinistic, racist and terror-prone people on the face of the Earth --the Basques -- explain to us why you should not be taken into custody and questioned right now.

     Yes, it is true. Between BARRY's sicko nostalgia for the horror of September 2001 and the fact that a Basque has the most vicous strain of terror in the genes, it is 100% obvious that BARRY needs a dose of profiling. A stroooong dose.

     Yup, that is the medicine BARRY pompously recommends for other people. And -- no surprise here -- it is the very medicine that dangerous cases of mewling rightwing haters like BARRY (and SJ, and ANTI, and YJ, etc) need to have their your noses rubbed straight in.

     Posted by PhilMcCrevice at 10/15/2009 @ 4:31pm

112. Well, somebody hide the OxyContin...Not only has Rush been dropped, but Dave Checketts is bringing in Marshall Faulk, a former star running back from the Rams' championship winning team, to replace him. Rush fall back into the (pill) bottle because Mr. Faulk is black.

     By the way, count me in as someone who does not believe the liar who said his two black co-workers who proclaimed they just knew Rush would be railroaded. I am black and none of the black people I know in my immediate family, extended family, or vast network of friends likes him, listens to him, or feels bad for him. That is not to say they love Sharpton or Jackson either. Just like the media give extensive coverage to Rush, the media reward the equally absurd Sharpton and Jackson. You dittoheads take your cues from Rush and believe him when he says that they are the "leaders of the black community." No one has elected them to anything.

     As for Jay-Z buying a minority stake in the Nets, I say again: it is business. The NBA is on a rebound with younger fans what with the arrival of Labron James and Carmelo Anthony. The NBA struggled to bring in newer, younger fans once Michael Jordan retired. Jay-Z has millions of young fans. Indeed, the overwhelming majority of the people who purchase his albums, and every other popular rap album, are young white males. He brings with him a key demographic. His songs are popular with, not distasteful to, that area of the market the NBA is looking to bring in. It is an investment in the future and the league made a business choice. He was worth the risk. He did not generate a backlash from fellow team owners, unlike Rush. Can't you Rush lovers accept that? Checketts dropped him. It's business, not personal.

     Posted by BronxBomber at 10/15/2009 @ 4:39pm

113. They may exist, but I've yet to meet one. I'd have to say that probably 50% of my friends are black and I can assure you that not one of them thinks highly of Flush Rimjob. Posted by Wolfgang1 at 10/15/2009 @ 3:32pm

     Well, that's true. I've only heard them on the FAUX SPEWS talk radio. That throws credibility out the door right there.

     Although there was once a film of one, but he ended up having a severe mental condition that pretty much prevented him from being taken very seriously. Pretty much wanted to get rid of all blacks-- and being one, was still ok with it... And no it wasn't the blind character in a movie skit.

     Posted by hsuBfools at 10/15/2009 @ 4:45pm

114. You are right Droopy. When Rush put himself on radio stations in the vast heartland for "free" 15 odd years ago nobody realized how much money that would make him. At the same time Rush forgot that there was an invention called videotape. When he said something it was there for posterity. It is quite a day when Barry 15 comes out of psychoanalysis long enough to bring up Trent Lott. Another champion of the people.

     Posted by whatozz at 10/15/2009 @ 5:15pm

115. Posted by BronxBomber at 10/15/2009 @ 4:39pm

     'No one has elected them to anything.'

     No, but Sharpton and Jackson haved worked long and hard to get black people elected, haven't they. How could you, as a person of color, just dismiss them so casually?

     Also, your props to Jay-Z and your diss of Limbaugh are pretty revealing. Also quite un-American. What ever happened to freedoms under the Constitution and equality. All of a sudden, because America elected a partially black President, it's O.K. to discriminate? The world is completely upside down.

     Just because blacks have been opressed in this country and slavery happened, at some point, blacks have to take the chip off their collective shoulders. That's what the election of Barack Obama was supposed to have begun to accomplish. The present white generations had nothing to do with the sins of past slavery just as the present black generations haven't been enslaved for at least 135 years now.

     White America has paid the price financially by way of entitlements and welfare programs that were largly abused by the people they were designed to help. Maybe that's a part of Limbaugh's anger and I can understand why. He is a self-made multi-millionaire.

     I would prefer that Limbaugh was turned down because he's a blowhard with a big mouth, rather that being discriminated against because some people are overly sensitive, and probably jealous and resentful of Limbaugh's success, perceptually at their expense.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 6:11pm

116. I don't know what Limbaugh's real inner feelings are, but I know that the Left is slandering him by attributing statements to him that he never made. It is fiercely determined to make him out a racist.

     This Leslie Savan does not know it but she is the true blue hard core stuff that goes into the making of lynch mob.

     The Telegraph has a few examples of the lies and inventions with which Limbaugh is being maligned.

     http://tinyurl.com/ylqvhx8

     Posted by Pirovano at 10/15/2009 @ 6:15pm

117. If the BEST, that is, the BEST spokesperson/party organ that the "family values" party can dredge up is multiple-draft-dodging, serial-philandering, drug-addicted, physically-unattractive and unfortunately-voiced Rush Limbaugh...

     ...I'm good with that!

     Posted by schnellerheinz at 10/15/2009 @ 6:59pm

118. Saint Sarah learned how to quit "from the troops".

     whattanut.

     Posted by schnellerheinz at 10/15/2009 @ 7:02pm

119. Posted by Pirovano at 10/15/2009 @ 6:15pm

     The thing is, no one has to make shit up about Mr. I-got-out-of-the-draft-because-of-a-giant-pustule-in-my-ass-crack.

     The guy's words are public domain and easily verified.

     Tough toes for his apologists.

     Posted by skeletonman at 10/15/2009 @ 7:18pm

120. ....I almost always enjoy your posts. I find humor in them and I always believe humor is a good thing.

     I am not anti-Capitalist. I think capitalism is the best thing going (when combined with democracy) as long as it is regulated against greed....

     Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/15/2009 @ 3:27pm

     Not just "a good thing".....it's the only sane way to wend through this often irrational world. Smile/Laugh at any and everything.....as the `systems' that govern civilizations, and instant communications spin faster than human evolution. But, thank!

     Capitalism, socialism, communism, XYZism...all are "regulated" against greed in one form or fashion. None has or will ever achieve anywhere near `perfection'. At some point, the wise ones will know, that simple rule of diminishing returns......which we are likely already past.....too much more regulations, we certainly won't have the sort of capitalism that built America.

     Like it or not, we are still a growing country and have the natural resources & potential to sustain, easily IMO, a population twice that of today. The type of heavily regulated Capitalism you wish for, won't do the job.....and future generations may in fact, be faced with declining, in real terms, living standard.

     Posted by Happy at 10/15/2009 @ 8:58pm

121. The guy's words are public domain and easily verified.

     Tough toes for his apologists.

     Posted by skeletonman at 10/15/2009 @ 7:18pm

     Do you not find it amazing for someone who spends 10~15 hours a week, 500~750 hours per year, 10,000 to 15,000 hours for a career (so far), on the public air wave, that there are but a handful of comments deemed controversial by the Left?

     Rush talks more in one day than I do, and most of you, for a week. Think about how many times you have said things that are subject to narrow-minded interpretations!

     Rush has nothing to apologize for!

     Until the point in time when we collectively hold our politicians to a higher standard than an entertainer or political pundit, Rush has no obligation to anyone other than his listeners and his rational self-interest!

     Did anyone ever hear Magic apologize to the Cambridge cops?

     Posted by Happy at 10/15/2009 @ 9:04pm

122. The thing is, no one has to make shit up about Mr. I-got-out-of-the-draft-because-of-a-giant-pustule-in-my-ass-crack.

     The guy's words are public domain and easily verified.

     Tough toes for his apologists.

     Posted by skeletonman at 10/15/2009 @ 7:18pm

     And (I'm sorry, couldn't resist, once again) it proves that even Rush...

     ...isn't a perfect asshole.

     Ba-dum!

     Posted by schnellerheinz at 10/15/2009 @ 9:55pm

123. The thing is, no one has to make shit up about Mr. I-got-out-of-the-draft-because-of-a-giant-pustule-in-my-ass-crack. The guy's words are public domain and easily verified. Tough toes for his apologists.

     Posted by skeletonman at 10/15/2009 @ 7:18pm

     So verify a few, big guy. It's funny, but it seems like you don't much care if the things attributed to him were actually said by him. Do all libs care so little about the truth, or just you?

     Posted by Pirovano at 10/15/2009 @ 6:15pm

     Hugo, your link doesn't connect. can you repost that item?

     Posted by twillie at 10/15/2009 @ 9:55pm

124. <i>Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 6:11pm </i>

     Though I tend to lean conservative, I really have to call out appalling distortions of history.

     Your entire position relies on effectively starting the timer fresh at 1865 or so, forgetting that Reconstruction in the South began and then was brought to a halt. Then you had racist governments reinstated and black codes reigned supreme for quite some time. Not to mention the fearsome power of the KKK for many decades. Lack of civil rights severely limited the ability of African-Americans to live freely, and to own and transfer property.

     Let's take a slightly more jarring number. African-Americans have had formal equality in this country, and I do mean formal (not accounting for de facto discrimination and stuff like that), for less than 50 years. Think about that. The Civil Rights Act, guaranteeing African-Americans basic equality, was passed in 1964.

     So before you suggest that everything should be completely hunky-dory by this point, you might want to take a more careful look at the history books.

     Posted by Thrawn at 10/15/2009 @ 10:02pm

125. So before you suggest that everything should be completely hunky-dory by this point, you might want to take a more careful look at the history books.

     Posted by Thrawn at 10/15/2009 @ 10:02pm

     They may not be hunky dory, but a "great leap forward", to use this groups venacular........There are people alive today who weren't allowed to vote for a candidate for the WH.....and now voted a black man into the WH...which might be noted, couldn't be done in a deeply racists country.......it took white voters to put him there...110% of all black voters voting wouldn't have enough votes...this of course,precludes the Hispanic votes..

     Posted by YourJomamma at 10/15/2009 @ 10:43pm

126. Posted by Thrawn at 10/15/2009 @ 10:02pm

     Yes, I get your point and I don't entirely disagree. However, I would wager a bet that just about every American's ancestors, at one time or another were either enslaved or persecuted either religiously or politically. It's just a matter of when.

     So, agreeing that blacks in America have only been making serious strides since the civil rights era, can you agree that it's time to let it go and to start to stop blaming whitey for everyting that goes wrong in your life, (symbolically speaking). Unless you are Michael Jackson, if you are black, there's nothing you can do about it. Say it loud, "I'm black and I'm proud." And then do something to be proud of.

     Get a good education, earn a living, provide for your own family, go to church, serve your country and then, enjoy your grandchildren. Many in the black community have always done all of this and more. These are not the people that I would take issue with. I only take issue with those who expect America to support them because they were unfortunate enough to have been the descendent of slaves or those who have abused the programs that were designed to give them a leg up.

     Look at any large inner city. You will find drugs, crime, gangs, teen pregnancy, unemployment, poverty, dropouts, single parent families, and poor living conditions. Who's fault is all of that? Mine? I don't think so. It all starts in the home and I know that most do the best that they can, but it is a challange and where does it end? A good place to start would be to stop having more babies to bring into those conditions. That might give those that are already here a better chance to make it. One thing I know for sure, working people are tired of paying for other people's mistakes.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 10:49pm

127. Even now, there is a budding movement to boycott the NFL.....again, FREEDOM, for `consumers' of everything NFL, to decide whether once politicized, they want to continue to give their money to a bunch of "businessmen" and players.

     Posted by Happy at 10/15/2009 @ 11:23am

     Wow, demonizing the NFL. Was that predictable or what?

     Posted by Dwight Wall at 10/15/2009 @ 11:06pm

128. Get a good education, earn a living, provide for your own family, go to church, serve your country and then, enjoy your grandchildren. Many in the black community have always done all of this and more.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 10:49pm

     You sound like Barack Obama.

     Posted by Dwight Wall at 10/15/2009 @ 11:13pm

129. One thing I know for sure, working people are tired of paying for other people's mistakes.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 10:49pm

     You mean, like George Bush's mistakes? Even folks not in the inner city are paying for those.

     Posted by Dwight Wall at 10/15/2009 @ 11:16pm

130. "it took white voters to put him there"

     you forgot to say "liberal white voters"

     there's a difference.

     Posted by darladoon at 10/15/2009 @ 11:54pm

131. THE TOTALLY REAL AND NOT FAKE QUOTES SHENANIGANZA TOP TEN 10. Democrat Fritz Hollings of South Carolina thinks being from Africa makes you a cannibal: "You'd find these potentates from down in Africa, you know, rather than eating each other, they'd just come up and get a good square meal in Geneva."

     9. Howard Dean reaches out: "I still want to be the candidate for guys with Confederate flags in their pickup trucks." 8. California Democrat Diane Watson thinks interracial marriage is icky: "He's married to a white woman. He wants to be white. He wants a colorless society. He has no ethnic pride. He doesn't want to be black." 7. Howard Dean thinks service positions are for minorities, not big fancy white people: "You think the Republican National Committee could get this many people of color in a single room? ... Only if they had the hotel staff in here." 6. Joe Biden explains why southern Democrats should vote for him: "My state was a slave state." 5. "Conscience of the Senate" and former Klansman Robert Byrd on equal opportunity: "I've seen a lot of white n*ggers in my time.

     4. Hillary Clinton does an impression (complete with accent) of an African-American man who didn't know what Emily's List was: "She's supportin' all these people. She's supportin' Sen. Dianne Feinstein . She's supported Sen. Barbara Boxer . . . She supported everybody. Why won't she support me?" 3. Democratic Mayor of New Orleans Ray Nagin denies that white people might live in New Orleans: "I don't care what people are saying Uptown or wherever they are. This city will be chocolate at the end of the day."" 2. Democrat Steny Hoyer reviews Michael Steele's career: "[He has] a career of slavishly supporting the Republican Party."

     Posted by BigPasture at 10/16/2009 @ 12:11am

132. 1. Then Senator Joe Biden fills us in on who works at convenience stores: "You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent ... I'm not joking."

     On camera and on tape the Demoncrat and regressive liars all show their true RACIST colors and you don't have to LIE about what they said!!!

     Posted by BigPasture at 10/16/2009 @ 12:13am

133. What if the leader of the group that is interested in purchasing the Rams, which had included Rush Limbaugh, had stated that the reason Limbaugh had been dropped from the group was due to the remarks that Dave Zirin had made and those comments were proven to be false, what should happen?

     Posted by Incoming at 10/16/2009 @ 12:33am

134. On camera and on tape the Demoncrat and regressive liars all show their true RACIST colors and you don't have to LIE about what they said!!! Posted by BigPasture at 10/16/2009 @ 12:13am

     Good catch! Rush is still a racist, weiner loving, oxycontin popping dweeezlebag. Get over it. And don't listen to that stuff. It'll make the hair on your ears grow faster.

     Almost everyone has some type of racial stereotyping problem. It's bred into our culture, sadly. But is it racist to imitate the accent of another culture? Or is it racist to belittle that accent? I'm sure you know, but hey... keep it a secret. Unless you can tell us without using caps.

     Posted by ficheye at 10/16/2009 @ 01:33am

135. Wow, demonizing the NFL. Was that predictable or what? Posted by Dwight Wall at 10/15/2009 @ 11:06pm

     Dwight, he may not have really meant that. He's busy, down at WalMart, trying to pry up a nickel that someone glued to the floor. Whatever makes you HAPPY!!

     Posted by ficheye at 10/16/2009 @ 01:38am

136. The Telegraph has a few examples of the lies and inventions with which Limbaugh is being maligned. http://tinyurl.com/ylqvhx8 Posted by Pirovano at 10/15/2009 @ 6:15pm

     Give it up. I've been going back and forth to these type of sites all day. Rush admitted saying a few of the worst offenses, but now he's changed! A changed man!

     He's mean, and disingenuous at the very least. I want Rush to fail!!! I've never heard so many bogus lines of defense since I tried to have my ticket dismissed.

     Posted by ficheye at 10/16/2009 @ 01:47am

137. DuNcE- Why do you feel you have to defend Rush. Honestly how do you think he got to where he is. He had to offend or he would be just another disk jockey. I have my problem with him for simple reasons. He's the face of the Republican party because he is out there 5 days a week. Politicians hide behind or won't cross him.I say how is he the face of the party for this reason? He has had economic success and nothing else. Tell me about his family,you know his wife and kids. Nothing to talk about there because it is a string of broken relationships. So keep Rush as your symbol,extol his virtues,and defend his stupidity and excesses. If that is what you have to offer you truly are the sad,old party.

     Posted by whatozz at 10/16/2009 @ 05:24am

138. Pretty much wanted to get rid of all blacks-- and being one, was still ok with it... And no it wasn't the blind character in a movie skit.

     Posted by hsuBfools at 10/15/2009 @ 4:45pm

     It just goes to show that stupidity isn't color blind. You know the saying, beauty is only skin deep.....but ugly is clean to the bone; Beauty often fades away while ugly holds it's own. Just substitute intelligence for beauty and stupidity for ugly.

     Posted by Wolfgang1 at 10/16/2009 @ 06:26am

139. go to church, serve your country and then, enjoy your grandchildren. Many in the black community have always done all of this and more.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 10:49pm

     Go screw yourself. Since when did going to church have anything to do with being a good person? A good portion of the biggots are "good christians" code words for racist ahole.

     Posted by Wolfgang1 at 10/16/2009 @ 06:30am

140. A good portion of the biggots are "good christians" code words for racist ahole.

     Posted by Wolfgang1 at 10/16/2009 @ 06:30am

     Well, if "good Christian" is "code" for "racist" then pretty much anything anybody says is "racist," isn't it?

     Posted by Mistral at 10/16/2009 @ 08:44am

141. BWAHahahahahaha

     FAUX SPEWS AM new con repub radio is getting way way desperate. Apparently their take on Rump Limppaw in no way being a racist isn't taking. Just heard a 'black' caller say Rump really was a racist! Maybe they missed screening one, but got through and their talking head new con repubs went of on the caller like caller him a liar, and being all ignorant and the like!

     Desperation to the nth degree.

     What happens to the new con repubs if their infallible pontiph of flubberiness goes down!?!?!

     Rump Limppaw and FAUX SPEWS are wedded together like beacon and lettuce/tomatoes, like ham and cheese,... If the BIG FAT LIAR goes down on his own BS, if it's common knowledge that he's a lying racist-- doesn't it follow that FAUX SPEWS, does too!?!?!

     Yep, desperation is when FAUX SPEWS is openly calling blacks in america, ignorant liars defending their leader RUMP LIMPPAW.

     The big inflated one has been punctured and they know it. A tiny string of truth has poked out from their gianormous one.

     Their solution as usual-- puncture the USA right back.

     But if this last election was any indication, the USA just got a little too smart to fall for FAUX SPEWS larding over the facts with even more lard... and as we all know-- what happens with a spark, a wick and lard...

     Posted by hsuBfools at 10/16/2009 @ 08:46am

142. A good portion of the biggots are "good christians" code words for racist ahole.

     Posted by Wolfgang1 at 10/16/2009 @ 06:30am

     Well, if "good Christian" is "code" for "racist" then pretty much anything anybody says is "racist," isn't it?

     Posted by Mistral at 10/16/2009 @ 08:44am

     Wolfie must think most black Baptists, and there are boatloads of them in the South, are really "racist ahole". Lots of older blacks are damn "good christians", some of my best tenants!

     And here I am, thinking black racists only exist in churches up north.....the Rev. Wright type that nurtured our Magic!

     Posted by Happy at 10/16/2009 @ 09:43am

143. FAUX SPEWS AM new con repub radio is getting way way desperate. Apparently their take on Rump Limppaw in no way being a racist isn't taking. Just heard a 'black' caller say Rump really was a racist! Maybe they missed screening one, but got through and their talking head new con repubs went of on the caller like caller him a liar, and being all ignorant and the like!

     Posted by hsuBfools at 10/16/2009 @ 08:46am

     10 to 1 says that Rushy boy prescreens calls as does fake news. Evidently, this "ignorant" black person told them up front that he was a Rush sympathizer and then when he was being interviewed for real let the hammer fall as it were.

     You notice these conservatives didn't hold any town hall meetings where anybody other than conservative hillbillies reign supreme. I could just see a teaparty in Harlem or downtown Atlanta or Chicago. Those fat old conservatives started standing up and yelling there, they'd get thrown out on their asses in a heartbeat.

     The GOP is backed by nothing more than a staged show put on by Fake news the right wing propaganda machine including now the WSJ and lets not forget the American Heritage Foundation and the other con think tanks. That sums up the republican party.....and the southern baptist church...they get honorable mention.

     Posted by Wolfgang1 at 10/16/2009 @ 10:28am

144. i don't remember there being any rule or law which states that limbaugh has a "right" to own a NFL team.

     he loves to preach the virtues of the 'free market' (i.e. 'there is no market for liberal talk radio). well, there is apparently no market for rush limbaugh in the NFL.

     sorry, rush, this is how the 'free market' feels about you.

     Posted by darladoon at 10/16/2009 @ 10:35am

145. Posted by Wolfgang1 at 10/16/2009 @ 10:28am

     Posted by hsuBfools at 10/16/2009 @ 08:46am

     It is further noteworthy that, for the unwashed rightwing ideological garbagmen who bottomfeed endlessly off hate radio screaming points, the NFL has hardened into a Politburo-like communist agency. The NFL loaths capitalism (!!!) and the NFL detests America (!!!), as do those pansy football players themselves (!!!). They hate capitalism and America so much that they wave their hammers & sickles menacingly at war hero Rush who proved his "love America/detest commies" bonafides with his glittering war record as a commander of real men in 'Nam, same "regiment" as other uber-manly rightwing heros like George W Loser & Saxby Shameless...

     Posted by PhilMcCrevice at 10/16/2009 @ 10:39am

146. AM new con repub FAUX SPEWS hate talk radio are now calling black americans slaves to the USA socialist government for speaking out against their new con repub living god of pride, sloth, gluttony, wrath, envy, lust, greed and might I add fear and lies-- Rump Limppaw.

     When all the time the new con hypecritters deny their own slavish blood sucking beholding tickishness to their corporate bosses' demand for every ounce of their hate for profit services.

     Posted by hsuBfools at 10/16/2009 @ 10:55am

147. '...those pansy football players...' -- PhilMcCrevice

     'Through the times I've gone through the last couple of weeks - and I'm still trying to help a friend - I got attacked pretty hard through the media, and it hurt and it was devastating, but I really found out who was with me and who was there for me.' -- Michael Irvin -- http://www.brainyquote. com/quotes/authors/m/ michael_irvin.html

     'We weren`t happy we lost; nobody`s ever happy when they lose, but we learned that you have to take advantage of those opportunities when they come up.' -- Michael Vick -- http://www.quotelucy. com/quotes/ michael-vick-quotes.html

     'It will be a lawsuit in a week ...That's stupid. It's so stupid I have no more comments.' -- Pacman Jones -- http://www.fannation. com/si_blogs/nfl_tracker/posts/39001-report- pacman-jones-plans-to-sue-espn?eref=fromSI#

     'Not a problem kid or anything like that so when you're in the legal system like that, it's always hard on a person for the first time to go through some things like that.' -- Leonard Little -- http://www.brainyquote. com/quotes/quotes/l/ leonardlit333241.html

     Posted by HonestLiberal at 10/16/2009 @ 11:34am

148. Posted by HonestASSHOLE at 10/16/2009 @ 11:34am

     Hey "Honest",

     Now that you have provided the valuable service of "proving" (rightwing "cherry picking" style) that football players are pansys, think you gotta spread the news in the locker room. Where's the nearest NFL franchise to you? They are all over the country, you know, although conspicously absent in the reddest places (OK, NE, AK and other dead-end destinations). We can furnish the adress of the nearest franchise's locker room and, heck, maybe someone here can even help by giving you a lift to the locker room door so that you can get the new rightwing wisdom out there.

     The players really need to hear how pussy-like they are and, yes, you are the prophet who must bring these stone tablets to them. Don't hold back on letting them know what pussyish pansies they are, especially compared with FAUX news hero he-men like Rush, George W Loser, Saxby Shameless, Gingbitch and the other grizzled tuff guy leaders of men in the trenches...

     Posted by PhilMcCrevice at 10/16/2009 @ 11:59am

149. The quote was Phil McCrevice referring to football players as "pansies." The counterquotes were a few NFL players demonstrating the opposite. What is the problem?

     Posted by HonestLiberal at 10/16/2009 @ 12:14pm

150. ...and all the quotes were sourced.

     Posted by HonestLiberal at 10/16/2009 @ 12:15pm

151. Posted by Dwight Wall at 10/15/2009 @ 11:13pm

     More like Bill Cosby I'd say.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/16/2009 @ 2:56pm

152. I liked some of what you said about the media, but the Tea Party needs a little fixing before all Americans can jump on board.

     Posted by ficheye at 10/15/2009 @ 12:48pm

     The Tea Party is open to anyone who is fed up with out of control politicians and their spending that is destroying our country from within. If rednecks with signs and guns agree with that, they are welcome to the party. What you fail to point out is that the Tea Party Movement is not a partisan movement. Republicans, democrats, libs and indies swell it's ranks. All have the same anger at Washington.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/16/2009 @ 3:01pm

153. Posted by Dwight Wall at 10/15/2009 @ 11:16pm

     Yes.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/16/2009 @ 3:06pm

154. "it took white voters to put him there"

     you forgot to say "liberal white voters"

     there's a difference.

     Posted by darladoon at 10/15/2009 @ 11:54pm

     Yes, Darla. Some were liberals. But he also recieved the votes of moderates, indies and even republicans. He fooled a lot of people. I wasn't one of them.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/16/2009 @ 3:07pm

155. Posted by Wolfgang1 at 10/16/2009 @ 06:30am

     I'd rather see young people, especially in the inner city, attend some form of church services on a Sunday then be furthering there gang activities or doing their drug deals. I'm not a religious person. I was merely trying to illustrate some of the things that make ordinary people feel good about themselves. Your reaction is very revealing.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/16/2009 @ 3:12pm

156. He fooled a lot of people. I wasn't one of them. Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/16/2009 @ 3:07pm

     Oh I do not think Obama's fooled anywhere as many people as Rump Limppaw; much less (or is that more ?) hsuB/cHeney. And I bet you were one of them...

     Posted by hsuBfools at 10/16/2009 @ 3:17pm

157. What you fail to point out is that the Tea Party Movement is not a partisan movement. Republicans, democrats, libs and indies swell it's ranks. All have the same anger at Washington.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/16/2009 @ 3:01pm

     You must be joking. Not a partisan movement? Now that's funny. But, sorry to say, stop projecting your own right wing anger over your side's rejection by the American people onto the rest of us. The teabaggers are nothing but a whiny, pathetic bunch of incredibly sore losers who like to pose as if they actually have guts or brains. So they strut with their swastikas and guns, but would absolutely wet themselves if they were actually challenged by an equally armed group that opposed them. Tea Party Movement - as if those morons had so much as an ounce of patriotism among the whole sorry lot. Talk about insulting the memories of real patriots, people who put their lives on the line. And these clowns try to appropriate that for themselves? In fact, Democrats, liberals and indies have nothing to do with that sniveling bunch of cowards. Hell, I listen to some of what these clowns spew and the inescapable conclusion remains - the average Democrat, liberal or indie has more fundamental intelligence than the entire lot of teabaggers combined. Look, man, you may idolize Beck, Limbaugh and Fox, but those of us in the reality-based community see them and their little "movement" as the incredibly bad joke that they all are.

     Posted by jmusolino at 10/16/2009 @ 3:18pm

158. Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 3:42pm

     First of all, All you've done is make excuses for Rush Limbaugh. I already told you that what Reverend Wright said was deplorable, although I think, within a certain context, some things America does and Americans do should be damned.

     Finally, Obama's trip overseas was to repair the 8 years of damage done by "go it alone" Bush, who ruined American credibility the whole word over. Obama did not "dis" America: you obviously watch Faux News too much. What he did is basically apologize for American (Bush) arrogance. There's nothing wrong with admitting you're wrong, as you right wingers so continuously point out on this blog. That's all Obama was doing.

     Now, if you're a Bush-lover, there ain't nothing I can say to make you change your mind about why Obama said and did what he did. So, I won't bother to try.

     Yes, we DO live in the greatest nation the world has ever known. I love my country and will continue to fight for it to stand up to its founding principles, NOT the lowest common denominator.

     Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/16/2009 @ 3:45pm

159. One thing I know for sure, working people are tired of paying for other people's mistakes.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 10:49pm

     Yep. I'm sure as hell tired of paying for yours.

     Glass houses and all.

     Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/16/2009 @ 3:51pm

160. stop projecting your own right wing anger

     Posted by jmusolino at 10/16/2009 @ 3:18pm

     From this post it appears there's plenty of anger to go around. But why is there anger from the President's partisans? They won, they even have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. The tax protesters can't touch them. Why can't they just get on with governing?

     Posted by Mistral at 10/16/2009 @ 4:27pm

161. "right wing anger"!!!!

     Rush is held up by the Left as de facto #1 Winger, I sure don't detect much anger out of him in his show.....not even today when he talked of the Rams deal, and of meeting Marshall Faulk a while ago.....Rush gave the man several good plugs!

     What Rush is, is right 99.7% of the time (per his own credible claim)......and since damn near everything he predicted is now happening, why should he be angry?

     Take me for instance, the economy and the stock market, and the real estate markets, are all playing out as I predicted......and benefitting from, does anyone think I am angry? Even if I far prefer to make money when the tide is rising rather than receding......LOL!

     Posted by Happy at 10/16/2009 @ 4:44pm

162. Awright, awright...so NOT all NFL owners are qualified to be capitalists...just look at our own hapless Billy Clay Ford (or, as he is known to his inner circle, "Mr. Ford."). The man got a hell of a ballfield built, though.

     sigh.

     Posted by schnellerheinz at 10/16/2009 @ 4:54pm

163. Still gets Thanksgiving Day, though.

     Posted by schnellerheinz at 10/16/2009 @ 4:57pm

164. And yes, my condolences to all those who may have to watch the Lions, as a result.

     Posted by schnellerheinz at 10/16/2009 @ 4:58pm

165. "Yes, Darla. Some were liberals. But he also recieved the votes of moderates, indies and even republicans. He fooled a lot of people. I wasn't one of them"

     he only fooled the liberals; he didn't fool anyone else. he couldn't possibly have "fooled" everyone. he either stayed true to his campaign promises (he didn't), or steered clear of them (he did); which means that he moved towards the interests of the non-liberals.

     indies and republicans should be rather pleased with his performance thus far.

     even antisocialist (the furthest right of the righties here) admitted that only ONE piece of legislation signed by obama would represent a predictably left-wing position.

     he's continued many of the most radical bush counter-terrorism policies, and even went beyond bush on at least two.

     he's escalated the war in afghanistan.

     he's favored the banks, the insurance companies, the corporations, the CEOs, over the interests of working people.

     he's only rolled back stem cell rules (whoopee!), chose sotomayor (whoopee-fucking-doo), and ended torture (do you actually wanna debate that, gun? or are you pro-torture, too?).

     obama is doing exactly what clinton did back in '94. he's appeasing the uneducated, rural and suburban, christian base, and running from the progressives. he's not going to raise taxes on the middle or upper middle class. he's nowhere near a liberal.

     you guys think i'm making this shit up? obama wants the dems to preserve the congress in 2010, and wants the white house again in 2012. he wants.....in short......re-election for him and his party.

     Posted by darladoon at 10/16/2009 @ 6:11pm

166. mccain, if elected, would have done precisely the same thing obama did with the stimulus/bailouts.

     Posted by darladoon at 10/16/2009 @ 6:14pm

167. katrina in fact just wrote:

     "the results of a recent poll by Hart Research Associates come as no surprise: Americans view the government's economic policies as helping the fat cats, not ordinary folks."

     yeah obama is really, really liberal. too liberal in fact...

     Posted by darladoon at 10/16/2009 @ 6:15pm

168. republican hypocrisy:

     they ask that obama 'stay out' of the machinations of the free market, let corporations pay whatever bonuses they want to CEOs...

     but then they reprimand him for giving MORE MONEY to these corporations, to keep them going, so they can pay more fucking bonuses!

     Posted by darladoon at 10/16/2009 @ 6:17pm

169. Posted by darladoon at 10/16/2009 @ 6:11pm

     'and ended torture (do you actually wanna debate that, gun? or are you pro-torture, too?). '

     I'm not 'pro' torture but if I got my hands on anyone who was in on the attacks of 9/11 or other terrorist attacks against my country, I'd torture him myself. I wouldn't need the CIA to do it for me.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/16/2009 @ 6:32pm

170. "A superior man blames himself, an inferior man blames everyone else" -- Don Shula

     Words to live by, Mr. Limbaugh. But we all know you won't.

     Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/16/2009 @ 6:33pm

171. "I'm not 'pro' torture but if I got my hands on anyone who was in on the attacks of 9/11 or other terrorist attacks against my country, I'd torture him myself. I wouldn't need the CIA to do it for me."

     uh, the guys "in on the attacks" on 9.11 are dead, gunslinger.

     Posted by darladoon at 10/16/2009 @ 6:46pm

172. As a native NewYorker who grew up in here in the Bad Old Days, I'm reminded of an early life lesson: never believe anything a junkie ever says.

     Posted by citizendoe at 10/16/2009 @ 7:58pm

173. The quote was Phil McCrevice referring to football players as "pansies." The counterquotes were a few NFL players demonstrating the opposite. What is the problem? Posted by HonestLiberal at 10/16/2009 @ 12:14pm

     It's no problem. Phil just needs to sputter and pound his fist on the keyboard. I guess it lets off the steam from being wedded to a failed political philosophy. It wasn't personal.

     Posted by twillie at 10/16/2009 @ 9:42pm

174. I am not an authority Limbaugh. In all the time he has been broadcasting, add it all up and I doubt I have heard him for a total of an hour. But I remember an interesting profile on the man last year, I think in the NY Times Sunday Magazine. It began with Limbaugh's producer, who is black, saying he expected a hit job, and indeed it was not a puff piece. But it was well written and amusing

     There was something about waiters loving him because he leaves enormous tips, but nothing about a race problem. No profile could or would ignore that if it existed.

     This URL to the Telegraph identifies as inventions racist quotes attributed to Limbaugh by CNN, MSNBC and ABC. http://tinyurl.com/ylqvhx8

     Those forgeries suggest a witch hunt. He is being deliberately pursued with lies and slander. If he really were spouting racist remarks his enemies would have no need to invent any. No one every falsely accused the KKK of racism; they did not have to. I remember Bob Grant, a talk show host in NY City during the time David Dinkins was mayor. He was nailed by real quotes. Don Imus was suspended, for real quotes. No one ever attributed invented slurs against him.

     What the Telegraph's phony quotes establish is, the dearth of actual racists remarks attributable to LImbaugh. If they were real he would have long ago been drummed off the air.

     You scoundrels excel at lies and mud throwing. That is your forte. You wallow in it. Naturally, The Nation, is up to its nose in such poop.

     Posted by Pirovano at 10/16/2009 @ 9:49pm

175. Finally, Obama's trip overseas was to repair the 8 years of damage done by "go it alone" Bush, who ruined American credibility the whole word over. Obama did not "dis" America: you obviously watch Faux News too much. What he did is basically apologize for American (Bush) arrogance. There's nothing wrong with admitting you're wrong, as you right wingers so continuously point out on this blog. That's all Obama was doing.

     Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 10/16/2009 @ 3:45pm

     So, Obama went over to "apologize" for Bush? Sounds more like a little ol' partisan politicking to me. Since when do Dems go to foreign countries to apologize for the "misdeeds" of Repubs?

     I don't recall Bush heading overseas in 2000 to "apologize" for Clinton's cocked-up foreign policy decisions.

     There's plenty wrong with pointing fingers at the other guys. That's not an apology.

     Posted by twillie at 10/16/2009 @ 9:52pm

176. uh, the guys "in on the attacks" on 9.11 are dead, gunslinger. Posted by darladoon at 10/16/2009 @ 6:46pm

     Really? Bin laden and Khalid sheikh Mohammed are dead? Ramzi Binalshibh and Zacarias Moussaoui? Dead? You sure about that?

     Posted by twillie at 10/16/2009 @ 10:05pm

177. Posted by YourJomamma at 10/15/2009 @ 12:50am

     posted by sjschermak anytime

     Double standards abound.

     No breaking news there.

     i would actually like to read the positive effects Rush has had on society. He drones on for hours each day with zero debate, creating a quite large following (akin to a "messiah"?). What positive things have these ditto-heads accomplished? Millions strong with advertisers at their call and congress on speed-dial...what are you people doing with your anger?

     Abortion stopped or reduced?

     wars won?

     poverty lessoned?

     top earners called to be "responsible"?

     the "left" crushed in the USA?

     good, honest people elected to federal office?

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/16/2009 @ 10:05pm

178. Posted by crabwalk at 10/16/2009 @ 10:05pm

     I see. So it's OK to post fake quotes from Rush, because you don't think he has shown any "positive effects" on society. Who decides what effects count as "positive"? If a right-winger decides that Obama hasn't had any "positive effects" on society, you won't have any objection to them posting vile lies about him, right?

     Posted by twillie at 10/16/2009 @ 10:18pm

179. basically, limbaugh is your typical small-dick conservative wussy. and three divorces says it all. he can't ever please a woman. but he can certain pay to abuse one.

     Posted by darladoon at 10/15/2009 @ 11:06am | ignore this person | warn this person

     Ouch! Good one!

     Posted by jarshadow at 10/16/2009 @ 10:30pm

180. This is rich - Rick Sanchez on CNN issued an apology for using one of the quotes of things Rush never said. Talk about closing the barn door after the horse left. But, hey, mission accomplished. Great execution by the Left. If you lie with a shrill voice, you can get the job done. And, there's still plenty of other fake quotes to attribute to Rush.

     Posted by twillie at 10/16/2009 @ 11:49pm

181. This is rich - Rick Sanchez on CNN issued an apology for using one of the quotes of things Rush never said....

     Posted by twillie at 10/16/2009 @ 11:49pm

     I wasn't going to bother.....these loons here don't care for the truth anywhooo....but, here's another one, from NewsBusters.com:

     MSNBC Admits: ‘Unable to Verify' False Limbaugh Quote; No Retraction or Apology

     By Kyle Drennen

     October 16, 2009 - 16:27 ET

     During the 3:00PM ET hour of live coverage on MSNBC Friday, co-host David Shuster admitted that racially charged quotes he and other hosts attributed to Rush Limbaugh had not been verified: "MSNBC attributed that quote to a football player who was opposed to Limbaugh's NFL bid. However, we have been unable to verify that quote independently. So, just to clarify." Shuster did not formally retract the quote or apologize.....

     ===========================

     Rush has the resources and his lawsuit, or threat of, are the only things these Legacy Media scumbags care about, not their integrity or long-term future!

     Posted by Happy at 10/17/2009 @ 12:00am

182. Posted by darladoon at 10/16/2009 @ 6:46pm

     Really? Has Osama been killed yet? Do you know something I don't? Honestly, Darla, you've got to lay off that weed. Your mind is mush.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/17/2009 @ 12:00am

183. Is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed dead?

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/17/2009 @ 12:03am

184. Sorry, you crackheads on the far left like to protect these guys, you know, read them their rights, lawyer them up. I've got your number. You've already amitted that you don't support America, our troops or the war Darla so why don't you just go and join up with Al Qaeda and be happy.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/17/2009 @ 12:05am

185. Posted by Pirovano at 10/16/2009 @ 9:49pm

     Yeah, it's a battle, the forces of the left trying to silence the voice of the right. The left is perplexed because Limbaugh and his minnyme Hannity keeps them honest. Limbaugh is frustrated because for all of his blather, the democrats laid a giant whoop ass on him last november. It's actually quite interesting to see these two factions go at each other while the coutry hits the skids. God help us all. Actually, God will help the right with all of their Christians more than the left, what with all of their athiests. Oh wait, I forgot, Falwell was on the right. My bad.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/17/2009 @ 12:12am

186. Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/17/2009 @ 12:12am

     Your commentary can only be described a brain damaged. If you supported the troops, you'd become one. Since you haven't, why don't you shut up - particularly about how you'd turn your candy ass toward torture. If you cannot pick up a rifle and go to Afghanistan, you sure is shit aren't going to take pliers to someone's testicles. You'd probably start crying for your momma if you had to actually kill the meat you eat.

     Posted by srjenkins at 10/17/2009 @ 12:56am

187. Posted by twillie at 10/16/2009 @ 10:18pm

     So, posting obfuscations about my posting is...what again?

     What I see a lot of here, regularly, among the weak defense of Rush, is sideways attacks on"the left". Apparently if "the left" does something, that opens the door for Rush and other republicans to do whatever they want to further their cause. That would be fine, except that the Rush's and many repubs have declared themselves to be better than "the left". Posting lies about Rush seems to me to be using his own tactics against him.

     Just once I would like to see you Family Values, Core Values "conservatives" say something like " You know, maybe listening to and following a thrice divorced, drug addicted celebrity may not be the best way for us to project our values onto those we desire to change."

     Whats really funny is that Rush was one of the chief Cheerleaders (http://tinyurl.com/yko6ogd) for Bush, and most of you cons ate it up. Now you call Bush a "failed liberal", but continue to defend a celebrity entertainer.

     TWILLIE, why don't you just post some of the positive effects Rush has had on the political discourse of your country? I know the answer: it is easier, and more xtian, to attack "the left".

     I will await my ice cream cone from Hell.

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/17/2009 @ 06:45am

188. lso do not have any respect for Barack Obama as a President because he actually did travel overseas and he did dis America, this while we are fighting two wars. A President simply cannot do those things, especially while guys are dying. It's not quite traitorous but some would consider it so.

     Take the blinders off and set yourself free to think clearly. You live in the greatest country that ever existed on planet earth and you enjoy the greatest standard of living. We may not be perfect but it is not an elected President's place to point out the flaws. That would be a dictator's M.O.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 3:42pm

     When did Obama "dis America"?

     I sense quite a bit of arrogance in your posts, gun O'l Boy. If you took off your nationalist hat for a moment you may get a bit of a shock. There are some wonderful countries out there, many have higher standards of living for greater % of their population than does the USA. Of course this very idea is open to interpretation, and those with nationalistic blinders may never see beyond their cozy suburban home. I suggest a trip to inner Appalachia and Flint MI for you.

     "Norway, Australia and Iceland have the best standards of living in the world and are among the places with the highest levels of human development, while Niger, Afghanistan and Sierra Leone are at the bottom of the list, according to the Human Development Index (HDI), a ranking of well-being in 182 countries and territories compiled from 2007 data by the United Nations Development Programme.

     The US ranks at #13, down one spot from the last year's UNDP ranking, which was done with 2006 data."

     What the USA needs more than anything is some HUMBLE. Kind of like your celebrity entertainers.

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/17/2009 @ 06:53am

189. No racsim in America. Nope, that is in the past.

     "Look at any large inner city. You will find drugs, crime, gangs, teen pregnancy, unemployment, poverty, dropouts, single parent families, and poor living conditions."-gunslinger

     His reference is, of course, to African Americans.

     Have you ever been to the mountains of West Virginia? The coal towns of Pennsylvania? The panhandle of Florida?

     Awful lot of white teen pregnancy, drug use and welfare check cashing. Maybe a side trip to Wasilla to view teen pregnancy?

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/17/2009 @ 06:58am

190. If you supported the troops, you'd become one. Since you haven't, why don't you shut up......

     Posted by srjenkins at 10/17/2009 @ 12:56am

     I don't understand your recent debate style.....

     I've challenged this particular assertion to quite a few Lefties here, including you, and it doesn't go away....."brain damaged"?

     Try this for arguments:

     If you supported the POOR, you'd become one. Since you haven't, why don't you shut up.

     If you supported the SICK/HANDICAPPED/MENTALLY CHALLENGED, you'd become one. Since you haven't, why don't you shut up.

     If you supported the COPS, you'd become one. Since you haven't, why don't you shut up.

     If you supported the PRESIDENT, you'd become one. Since you haven't, why don't you shut up.

     If you supported the GAYS, you'd become one. Since you haven't, why don't you shut up.

     If you supported the NFL PLAYERS against Rush, you'd become one. Since you haven't, why don't you shut up.

     If you supported the UNIONS, you'd become one. Since you haven't, why don't you shut up.

     If you supported ACORN, you'd become one. Since you haven't, why don't you shut up.

     This is by far, one of the very worst arguments, yet it persists and manifest itself into the cultural lexicon: Chickenhawks.....as if there is ANY legitimacy to the arguments that one has to have the same exact experience of sacrifice/performing, in order to have a reasoned voice.

     For someone of your caliber to use this type of arguments, speaks volume to the imploding Left!

     Posted by Happy at 10/17/2009 @ 09:20am

191. "so why don't you just go and join up with Al Qaeda and be happy"

     so if i disagree with your glee at being able to torture KSM, then i should just go join al qaeda?

     Posted by darladoon at 10/17/2009 @ 10:34am

192. Uh twillie, the right has been posting lies about Obama since before he won, born in the US anyone, muslim Obama anyone, getting grandma anyone? I could keep going but you get the drift no? Happy, the only people I see imploding are people like you from the right.

     Posted by Denise29 at 10/17/2009 @ 10:39am

193. The enlightened left has had plenty to say on the subject of Rush Limbaugh, might as well see what Rush has to say. Also below is another article in defense of Rush.

     =====================

     OCTOBER 16, 2009, 10:27 P.M. ET The Race Card, Football and Me My critics would have you believe no conservative meets NFL 'standards.' By RUSH LIMBAUGH http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870432200 4574477021697942920.html ?mod=WSJ_hpp_RIGHT TopCarousel#articleTabs%3Darticle

     "......I never said I supported slavery and I never praised James Earl Ray. How sick would that be? ....."

     October 14, 2009 If Rush Limbaugh is a Racist, Are His 20 Million Listeners Also? By Lloyd Marcus http://www.americanthinker.com/ 2009/10/if_rush_limbaugh_is_a_racist_a.html

     "....Beyond Rush, the larger issue is the tyrannous yoke political correctness has on our society and the swift punishment delivered with an iron fist by its enforcers, the liberal biased media. Rush's true crime is boldly speaking the truth about several of the liberal media's sacred cows, challenging their premises and opposing their far left agenda. ..."

     ===================

     links may contain spaces after pasting into your browser

     Posted by sjchermak at 10/17/2009 @ 10:45am

194. Posted by srjenkins at 10/17/2009 @ 12:56am

     So you think you know me pretty well. Face it. You have no idea what you're talking about. You write garbage as though someone should accept it as fact.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/17/2009 @ 12:00pm

195. Posted by crabwalk at 10/17/2009 @ 06:53am

     'I sense quite a bit of arrogance in your posts, gun O'l Boy.'

     It's not arrogance. There's no room in my point of view for arrogance. Please don't bother throwing any stats form the U.N. at me. The numbers you cite for america are skewed downward because of liberal policies that have kept poor people down. Yeah, yeah, I know, you're the party of the people and all of that. Fact is, you've taken advantage of working America's good graces and bred two generations of people who are now finding it difficult to do well in school, have a gimmee mentality and are basically unemployable. This is the result of abuse of programs that were designed to help the problem.

     The following is not meant as personal, but in general. I'm not painting with a broad brush, I'm pinpointing the problem. So if you don't like the standard of living, do something about it. Don't blame people who have been picking up the tab for your sorry existance. You can start by getting a vasectomy if you're a male or your tubes tied if you're a woman. Either that or develop some morals and keep your legs closed until you have the means to support your offspring. Take some damn responsilility for a change.

     It's not arrogance, it's anger and disgust.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/17/2009 @ 12:17pm

196. The NY Times has an article today detailing some of the fake quotes attributed to Limbaugh and speculating that it was a witch hunt set up to deny him a chance to buy the Rams.

     http://tinyurl.com/yhrvy6l

     Posted by Pirovano at 10/17/2009 @ 1:13pm

197. Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/17/2009 @ 12:17pm

     You are truly off the deep end. Your posts are so full of assumptions and half truths I cannot even begin to debate you.

     Who has picked up "the tab" for my "sorry existence"? I own my own business, (after having been "layed off" from a business that closed, then reopened with cheaper labor) work 50-60 hours a week, pay LOTS of taxes, have almost no debt load. As a matter... I would be willing to bet that my partners and I paid more in property tax last year than you made.

     Don't let reality get in the way of your preconceived notions though, wouldn't want you to have to actually think about what you post.

     Again, why is it seemingly impossible for you guys to list the positive impact Rush has had on our society? Have we become more able to work together, or more partisan since he went on the air? Has the anger level risen or fallen, has the budget been balanced via Rushs exhortations, have we been united or divided by his show? Does Rev Wrights tirade inside his church mean more to you than Rushs daily tirades against his Commander in Chief? Some would call that traitorous while we fight two wars, many here did, when it was "the left" questioning Bush tactics.

     What happened to "the right" being morally superior to "the left"? I would think that you folks would have acted like adults given your hatred of the tactics used against Bush, but no, you have adopted those same techniques that you used to whine about and now use them against the POTUS.

     Where are the death camps, the Marxist legislation, the central control of production, the stockpiles of seized guns, the indoctrination speeches forced upon our youths, slavery reparations, Obamas support for domestic terrorism, etc etc etc?

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/17/2009 @ 2:58pm

198. I understand wht the left feels threatened by her. It's easy to see from the center.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 3:34pm |

     See, reality has little to do with your posts. I have yet to read a SINGLE post from liberals here that show anything like "fear", or perceive her as a threat. She is amusingly naive, maybe frighteningly ignorant, at best. She has almost no chance of gaining a national political position. Not due to some "liberal media witch hunt", but from her own stances and nonsensical speeches.

     Come on, how does a person quit a job, then go out and tell her followers that she is not a quitter? And how do you eat that stuff up?

     Center?

     Please.

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/17/2009 @ 3:03pm

199. I realize the NFL does not like controversy. Thank goodness - hide your beagle Vics' an Eagle - was not controversial. Interesting thing that the false claims originated from an IP address of a New York law firm that has certain political connections. Hmmm.

     Posted by pyeatte at 10/17/2009 @ 3:05pm

200. A positive affect from the Obama admin:

     read the Nobel Committees reason for giving him the award. He has changed the attitude of multiple nations toward the USA, in a positive way. It remains to be seen what he can do with it, but is a GOOD THING. I am saddened that so many see this as a bad thing. I wonder if you raise your kids to resolve their conflicts with insults, stones and rocks as the first actions. Is that how you people operate at work?

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/17/2009 @ 3:10pm

201. I find it TRULY, TRULY amusing that Rush Limbaugh, and his sheep, are somehow offended by false quotes. He has made his fortune impugning the character of pols, spreading lies and misinformation.

     PYATTE, did you know that Hillary Clinton had Vince Foster killed?

     Whoops, the shoe is in the other mouth now:

     "Hi and welcome back to the Tom Daschle Show... The country is suffering, and, ah -- and we're happy about that here at the Tom Daschle Show because it's -- while it's bad for the country, it's great for our party, and that's what's important. "[4/5/04]

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/17/2009 @ 3:19pm

202. Ooops, sorry, the above quote was from the guy that said he wants to see Obama fail, while we are at war.

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/17/2009 @ 3:22pm

203. Posted by crabwalk at 10/17/2009 @ 2:58pm

     I told you I wasn't talking about you personally but a segment of society that is the problem.

     As for palin, she stated quite plainly, her reason for leaving office. Her democrat enemies were going to make sure that they broke her financially and the state as well. But it is she who is and will have the last laugh.

     I hope Letterman the perv keeps up his attacks on her. The more he does that, the more she stays in the limelight and the more popular she becomes.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/17/2009 @ 4:44pm

204. "The more he does that, the more she stays in the limelight and the more popular she becomes."

     her poll numbers are lower than ever.

     and that you would actually *want* that she remain popular is pretty much the only thing we really need to know about your point of view.

     that pretty much says it all.

     Posted by darladoon at 10/17/2009 @ 5:05pm

205. that a public figure could not answer the question "what sort of literature do you read?".....is really beyond the pale, and should theoretically disqualify any individual from obtaining office, let alone running for it.

     and that was one of innumerable simple questions which palin could not directly answer.

     Posted by darladoon at 10/17/2009 @ 5:13pm

206. Give Sarah a break ,she read a book in 4 or was it 5 different college libraries.Unfortunately they were from the Curious George series so it didn't help her much intellectually.

     Posted by whatozz at 10/17/2009 @ 5:19pm

207. Thats OK, gun, you keep attacking some "general segment of society" that may exist in pockets. If it keeps you happy, go ahead and re-birth Reagans mythical "welfare Queen". Meanwhile the guys at Northrup Grumman are ripping you off while giving you the reach around. The sins of a few impoverished urban dwellers pale in comparison to the graft at the top of the food chain.

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/17/2009 @ 10:07pm

208. Curious GUN, would it be appropriate for Letterman to attack Bristol Palin for not keeping her legs together?

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/17/2009 @ 10:11pm

209. People need to hold these institutions accountable. The Tea Party's efforts are a good start.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/15/2009 @ 12:35pm

     Have you seen some of the signs from those "protests"?

     Double standards appear to be as common with you as SJ, ANTI, JOMOMMA...well, our resident cons.

     Any word on that list of Rush's positive influences on the country?

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/17/2009 @ 10:18pm

210. "Any word on that list of Rush's positive influences on the country?"

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/17/2009 @ 10:18pm

     So, let me see if I have this straight, crab. In order for Rush (or any citizen, for that matter,) not to have vile quotes attributed to him, he has to prove that he has had a positive effect on the country?

     Sounds like you don't think slander is much of a big deal, as long as it is done against someone you hate.

     "So, posting obfuscations about my posting is...what again?"

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/17/2009 @ 06:45am

     Ooh, big word. Kudos for working it in. Here's your post:

     "Double standards abound. No breaking news there. i would actually like to read the positive effects Rush has had on society. He drones on for hours each day with zero debate, creating a quite large following (akin to a "messiah"?). What positive things have these ditto-heads accomplished? Millions strong with advertisers at their call and congress on speed-dial...what are you people doing with your anger? Abortion stopped or reduced? wars won? poverty lessoned? top earners called to be "responsible"? the "left" crushed in the USA? good, honest people elected to federal office?"

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/16/2009 @ 10:05pm

     So, what did I obfuscate, exactly? YJ offers regrets that Rush was thrown under the bus, which happened because MSM ran a lot of fake quotes without bothering to fact-check. You offer up a desire to hear of any positive effects Rush has had. It sounds to me like you want to give the media a free pass on this one, because it was just Rush.

     Is that about right? Or, do you deplore that the MSM just gave him a smackdown, just because many don't like him?

     So, let us know. Was what happened to him in the MSM, wrong in your eyes, or not?

     Posted by twillie at 10/18/2009 @ 12:16am

211. Posted by crabwalk at 10/17/2009 @ 10:11pm

     Only if she was a welfare abuser, which of course she is not.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/18/2009 @ 12:36am

212. Listen crab, you'll get nowhere defending deadbeats to me. If a welfare mother got into trouble once and needed help, I have no problem with that. But when it becomes an epidemic, four, five or six kids or more, just to get a bigger and bigger check, and the sperm servers who get off scott free, that's where my sympathy ends. It's infuriating. That's why people have had it. BTW, welfare queens are color blind. It's a fact, however, that they are predominately black, to the tune of 70%.

     A question for you; why would you want to defend these people? Sure, there's corporate fraud, but when did two wrongs start making a right?

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/18/2009 @ 12:44am

213. Dear God, anyone who listens to this creatin? Deserves to be called a racist, and stupid. I don't even believe he is all that entertaining except maybe to the morons who use their one, and only brain cell to think! Get real folks. This man is an evil doer period.

     Posted by sheila60 at 10/18/2009 @ 07:22am

214. Dear God, anyone who listens to this creatin? Deserves to be called a racist, and stupid.

     Posted by sheila60 at 10/18/2009 @ 07:22am

     That's really funny....for a Sunday!

     Imagine a certain "creatin" who sat in the church of some "racist, and stupid" reverend for 20+ years, looked up to said "creatin" as his mentor, had said "creatin" conduct his marriage, embraced said "creatin" as a member of his family, scheduled said "creatin" to launch some stupid-ass political campaign,....

     What would you somebody who was so very, very tight with said "creatin"?

     That's right! Amen, sister!

     Posted by Happy at 10/18/2009 @ 10:05am

215. Posted by sheila60 at 10/18/2009 @ 07:22am

     Yeah right. Same old leftist tactic. Call the messenger names and let the real culprits go scott free. Take a good look at any inner city. This didn't happen because of welfare. It happened because of welfare fraud.

     Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/18/2009 @ 10:39am

216. crabwalk:

     While you're responding to my above post, offer up a few examples of positive influences on the country provided by Rachel Madcow or Kenneth Ogreman. Since I don't track Rush's career, I can't come up with any positive (or negative,for that matter) influences he has had on the country. He's an entertainer.

     Posted by twillie at 10/18/2009 @ 11:10am

217. I can't come up with any positive (or negative,for that matter) influences he has had on the country. He's an entertainer.

     Posted by twillie at 10/18/2009 @ 11:10am

     Maybe he entertainingly gives the conservatives' POV a chance to be heard? I know that's NOT considered a "positive influence" as taught in the `schools' and `universities'!

     Posted by Happy at 10/18/2009 @ 12:10pm

218. Droopy-You have no idea what a positive influence or point of view would be at a collegiate level. You are a big mouth ,nothing more or less. You have nothing to add about education. Twillie ,making a statement on the air that,"we should never have desegregated school buses",is not entertainment it is racist bluster. Rush has worked hard in radio for over 20 years. He needs no one to stand up for him because I don't feel he cares.I said it before and will say it again .Look at his lack of success in personal relationships. That is the most important criteria.

     Posted by whatozz at 10/18/2009 @ 3:57pm

219. Twillie ,making a statement on the air that,"we should never have desegregated school buses",is not entertainment it is racist bluster. Rush has worked hard in radio for over 20 years. He needs no one to stand up for him because I don't feel he cares.I said it before and will say it again .Look at his lack of success in personal relationships. That is the most important criteria. Posted by whatozz at 10/18/2009 @ 3:57pm

     IS IT now. You must think of Liz Taylor(7 divorces) as one of the most horrible people in the world.

     Feel free to provide a link that proves that he actually said that. Otherwise, join the long and distinguished line of Libs who don't give a sh*t about the truth.

     Oh, Crabwalk? Where did he go off to? Hiding in his attic?

     Posted by twillie at 10/18/2009 @ 6:57pm

220. Twillie I take it you are a Rush listener. You must have heard Rush say it on the air live then. I heard Rush say it on tape after the black kids beat up a white kid on the school bus. I am not a Liz Taylor fan she obviously has had assorted mental issues for years. Do you put her up as a paragon of proper behavior in conversations with your neighbors or did she hit your mind as a good example to help your "case" for Rush. He could give a shit about you or I. Go to Rush's website and it will probably be listed. Who needs to lie about Rush his broadcasts are on tape.You aren't another conservative who doesn't know about that invention are you?

     Posted by whatozz at 10/18/2009 @ 7:26pm

221. "Who needs to lie about Rush his broadcasts are on tape.You aren't another conservative who doesn't know about that invention are you?"

     Posted by whatozz at 10/18/2009

     Well, if it is that easy to find, why not provide a link to the exact quote and the context? I'm not in a position to listen to him even once a week. So, go ahead, provide the link. Pretty please?

     "I am not a Liz Taylor fan she obviously has had assorted mental issues for years. Do you put her up as a paragon of proper behavior in conversations with your neighbors or did she hit your mind as a good example to help your "case" for Rush."

     No, I put her up to illustrate how ludicrous your statement about his personal life was.

     Posted by twillie at 10/18/2009 @ 9:04pm

222. "BTW, welfare queens are color blind. It's a fact, however, that they are predominately black, to the tune of 70%"

     and i'll respond with: it's a fact, however, that CEOs of large corporations, who make 400 times what their workers make, are predominantly white males, to the tune of 98%.

     Posted by darladoon at 10/18/2009 @ 10:51pm

223. Interview with Jake Tapper of ABC News, 16 June 2008:

     TAPPER: You oppose same-sex marriage.

     OBAMA: Yes. ...You know, I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman...

     http://www. wbcnews.go.com /WN/Politics/Story?id= 5178123&page=4

     'Dear God, anyone who listens to this creatin? Deserves to be called a racist, and stupid. ... This man is an evil doer period.' -- sheila60

     Posted by HonestLiberal at 10/19/2009 @ 12:25pm