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Crystal Lee Sutton died last week. You might know her by her "other" name. It was Sutton's story that inspired the film Norma Rae, starring Sally Field who won an Oscar, a Golden Globe and Best Actress award at Cannes for her portrayal of Sutton, a North Carolina union organizer in the early 1970s. In an act of defiance Sutton wrote the word "UNION" on a piece of cardboard and stood up on her work table at the J.P. Stevens textile plant. Her co-workers followed and turned their machines off in solidarity.
After hearing of her death, Field said that, "portraying Crystal Lee in Norma Rae not only elevated me as an actress, but as a human being."
Sutton fought for the working poor much of her life. What she also had to fight for, it turns out, was healthcare. After being diagnosed with cancer a few years back, she was told that her insurance wouldn't cover the potentially life saving medication she needed. By the time the approval came through Sutton's cancer had spread.
Speaking of her own predicament, Sutton said, "How in the world can it take so long to find out [whether they would cover the medicine or not] when it could be a matter of life and death. It is almost like, in a way, committing murder."
She died at 68.
It makes all the talk of death panels, a government takeover, and socialized medicine sound rather silly, doesn't it? Cancer's bad enough. But at least it's an equal opportunity killer. Our current for-profit insurance system isn't benign, and there's nothing equal about it. Is there someone out there somewhere standing on a table with a cardboard sign: 'HEALTHCARE'? We'd love to make a movie about it.
Laura Flanders is the host of GRITtv which broadcasts weekdays on satellite TV (Dish Network Ch. 9415 Free Speech TV) on cable, and online at GRITtv.org and TheNation.com. Follow GRITtv or GritLaura on Twitter.com.
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Posted by www.democratz.org at 09/17/2009 @ 4:27pm
"Our current for-profit insurance system isn't benign. And there's nothing fair about it. Is there someone out there somewhere standing on a table with a cardboard sign: 'HEALTHCARE'?"
--would Obama read it if you stood outside the White House?
Posted by urmygyro at 09/17/2009 @ 4:38pm
"Our current for-profit insurance system isn't benign. And there's nothing fair about it. Is there someone out there somewhere standing on a table with a cardboard sign: 'HEALTHCARE'?"
--would Obama read it if you stood outside the White House?
Posted by urmygyro at 09/17/2009 @ 4:39pm
Blah, Blah, Blah.
Ms Sutton lived a full life to age 68.
And most likely, the cancer drug was experimental. No health insurance companies cover experimental drugs because of the high potential for lawsuits. But that logic escapes the radical left.
We don't need anyone killing medical care services the way that unions killed off mfg in the US. I think that's what some of these leftists want.
Posted by antisocialist at 09/17/2009 @ 4:52pm
... B-b-but.. but.. but America has the best healthcare system in the world....
[for all the anti-reform fascists, that was a joke]
Posted by Citizen54 at 09/17/2009 @ 5:11pm
Hey Citizen54, there was no triplicate, how did that happen?
Posted by Denise29 at 09/17/2009 @ 5:36pm
Blah, blah, blah? Real nice Anti, I understand that you don't need health care, but why do you expect everyone else to feel the way you do? AND WWJD?
Posted by Denise29 at 09/17/2009 @ 5:40pm
Blah, blah, blah? Real nice Anti, I understand that you don't need health care, but why do you expect everyone else to feel the way you do? AND WWJD?
Posted by Denise29 at 09/17/2009 @ 5:40pm
Jesus never believed or taught to pressuring govts.
Jesus never believed or taught to organize into unions
Jesus never sent anyone to the doctor
And BTW, you and the others also ignore my point that the cancer drugs Ms Flanders cited were probably experimental and the consequences associated with that.
Posted by antisocialist at 09/17/2009 @ 6:30pm
There weren't govts or unions or doctors in jesus day, but he hated the money changers and healed the sick, and I remember him saying something about the least among us.
Posted by Denise29 at 09/17/2009 @ 6:37pm
O'Really!?!?!
http://tinyurl.com/mo3ec4
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/17/2009 @ 6:49pm
There weren't govts or unions or doctors in jesus day, but he hated the money changers and healed the sick, and I remember him saying something about the least among us.
Posted by Denise29 at 09/17/2009 @ 6:37pm
that is correct and I write here and teach in my ministry that it is essential for Christians to help those in need.
That does not translate into govt action. There is no personal accountability and responsibility reflected in transferring personal responsibility for helping others to an impersonal govt.
Posted by antisocialist at 09/17/2009 @ 6:50pm
Flanders, "Sutton fought for the working poor much of her life."
The key word in that sentince is 'working'. There is a big difference in unionizing for better wages and benefits and just giving people money because they are within the poverty level. I'll say again, anyone who is able to work but will not take a job because it is beneath them, (same folks would accept a handout), because they feel entitled, or because they are just trying to maximize their unemployment benefits are entitled to NOTHING from the government. Illegal aliens are working!
If there aren't enough jobs to go around, that is where the focus should be for the Obama administration creating jobs, not more government handouts. Create jobs that will last, support small businesses, and end tax breaks for corporations who locate overseas to avoid paying taxes here. This would be a good place to start. Liberals will always have their hand out and conservatives will always be squeezing their wallets. It's the way of the world.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 09/17/2009 @ 6:54pm
Posted by Denise29 at 09/17/2009 @ 6:37pm
What would Jesus think of ACORN?
Posted by gunslinger1 at 09/17/2009 @ 6:56pm
Gunslinger1, where the hell did Acorn come from? The nation blogs can tell the horror stories about corporations stealing us blind or even the govt under Bush and now some of that continued under Obama, but please, Acorn is small beans compared to what I have just mentioned. And besides that, this thread is about HC not Acorn, get with the program.
Posted by Denise29 at 09/17/2009 @ 7:09pm
And Gunslinger I am talking about the working poor, and there is a lot of them in this country that need HC. HC is NOT a handout"
Posted by Denise29 at 09/17/2009 @ 7:12pm
I thought this was about Crystal Lee Sutton. I know the Norma Rae story well. I also know that Obama's health care plan wouldn't have provided the experimental drugs that Sutton needed either. I could be wrong about that but I don't think so. If you recall, I'm the one who avocated, several times here, the formulation of a national catastrophic health care policy that everybody could voluntarily participate in. I'm the one who is 'with' the program.
Why are yo so touchy about ACORN. They've been exposed. Get over it. Obama needs to comdemn them as well and then maybe he'll develope some credibility. He was so very quick to speak out about his support of Professor Gates vs. the police.
Isn't this another teachable moment?
Posted by gunslinger1 at 09/17/2009 @ 7:18pm
Posted by gunslinger1 at 09/17/2009 @ 7:18pm
Good point Gunslinger1.
Neither Medicare nor Medicaid provide for treatment with experimental medicines. A fact ignored by the left.
I also find it humorous that they want a plan like Medicare. Medicare doesn't cover you if you leave the US. It doesn't cover annual checkups (a major issue pushed by the left and Obama), yet they either ignore or don't know that it isn't covered.
Medicare doesn't cover dental.
Just a few things they leave out.
Posted by antisocialist at 09/17/2009 @ 7:38pm
There is no personal accountability and responsibility reflected in transferring personal responsibility for helping others to an impersonal govt. Posted by antisocialist at 09/17/2009 @ 6:50pm
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, ....
Our govt is of and for the people and comprised of the We the People.
I believe JC would feel fairly good about all the ways all of us can help the least of us anywhere whether it's via time or contributions to a church a synagog a mosque a charity or our government.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/17/2009 @ 7:44pm
Just goes to show what you get for living a fruitful life in this country, you pay your taxes , work your ass off just so a healthcare company can deny you care when you need it most just to keep wallstreet happy ! Disgusting
Posted by realpatriot at 09/17/2009 @ 8:51pm
Also, why would JC be offended by a charitable Union with a heart? Money changers in the temple, sure, I can see that being offensive. If a church can organize a collection for charity work but not our gov-- is it because our gov wouldn't limit it's help to only christians or a certain group or location? Why do far right new con repubs only want their private org's to get the money for charity? Is it perhaps the competition?
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/17/2009 @ 8:59pm
the way that unions killed off mfg in the US.
09/17/2009 @ 4:52pm
unions?
hahahaha!
it has been inflation, not unions.
blame reagan.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/17/2009 @ 9:19pm
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/17/2009 @ 8:59pm
Do you know how much gold there is in the Vatican?
Posted by gunslinger1 at 09/17/2009 @ 9:19pm
Before J.C gave his life for us gentiles, only a few where the chosen slated for redemption. I think he would be appalled at the rights practice of exclusion to all they consider not worthy be it religion,race,or creed , or social stature.
Posted by realpatriot at 09/17/2009 @ 9:19pm
antisocialist, you are hilarious:
"Jesus never believed or taught to pressuring govts.
Jesus never believed or taught to organize into unions
Jesus never sent anyone to the doctor"
Jesus was about saving and helping the poor and less fortunate. He did confront corrupt leaders and his "union" that he organized around him were the 12 apostles. More than one religion has been "organized" around his teachings. Yup, he was a social changer and community activist, and he wasn't was the baloney you listed above.
If you really hate the teachings of Jesus and unions, then please do me a favor, make sure you work 7 days a week instead of taking off for the weekend. Unions fought and won the right for workers to have off on weekends. And religion is the reason we have a Sabbath or day of rest. If you don't believe in either, then please don't reap the benefits.
I think when folks write the kind of stuff you do, they do it for the attention they will get on a site like this one, and not because they have any genuine intention of contributing some constructive thoughts. Yeah, I took the bait. And now you can keep counting how many people replied to you, how many people you irked, and keep checking back on the website to see if you got mentioned again.
Wow, that kind of power must feel like such a rush :-)
Now hurry, and hit refresh again.
Posted by nicjv at 09/17/2009 @ 10:14pm
Jesus did not come to rule the earth as his kingdom is not of this world. This is a truth most leftist cannot grasp. Yet, so many attempt to intellectualize, rationalize, justify, or use his existence to somehow reinforce ideology they embrace which he never advocated. It is always intresting to see them try.
Posted by BigPasture at 09/17/2009 @ 11:02pm
that's funny, rio.
wake up, dude.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/17/2009 @ 11:14pm
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care, Harvard Medical School researchers found in an analysis released on Thursday.
"We're losing more Americans every day because of inaction ... than drunk driving and homicide combined," Dr. David Himmelstein, a co-author of the study and an associate professor of medicine at Harvard, said in an interview with Reuters.
Overall, researchers said American adults age 64 and younger who lack health insurance have a 40 percent higher risk of death than those who have coverage.
The findings come amid a fierce debate over Democrats' efforts to reform the nation's $2.5 trillion U.S. healthcare industry by expanding coverage and reducing healthcare costs.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/17/2009 @ 11:35pm
"Harvard Medical School researchers"
more fasçosocialmuslim america haters!
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/17/2009 @ 11:39pm
that's funny, rio.
wake up, dude.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/17/2009 @ 11:14pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Read the bible , new testament chapters and get back to me on that! Maybe you will learn something.
Posted by BigPasture at 09/17/2009 @ 11:43pm
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/17/2009 @ 8:59pm Do you know how much gold there is in the Vatican? Posted by gunslinger1 at 09/17/2009 @ 9:19pm
Kinda just like how it's plastered all over the White House and Congress' walls? And so god forbid we help people without health insurance with a public option... Was that your point?
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/17/2009 @ 11:47pm
I believe JC would feel fairly good about all the ways all of us can help the least of us anywhere whether it's via time or contributions to a church a synagog a mosque a charity or our government.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/17/2009 @ 7:44pm
I'd be careful about that. There's many a church that is nothing but a front for the neocon bowel movement.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 09/18/2009 @ 07:19am
Posted by BigPasture at 09/17/2009 @ 11:43pm
You mean like..
Titus 3:2?
Posted by Mask at 09/18/2009 @ 07:24am
BTW, Jesus never mentioned "unions" or "welfare"...
he also never mentioned "abortion" or "homosexuals"....yet some of our Right-wing friends seem to think he opposed both of those as well.
((Hint- Here's where they'll go to St. Paul...who never met Jesus...to try to make their case!))
Posted by Mask at 09/18/2009 @ 07:25am
((Hint- Here's where they'll go to St. Paul...who never met Jesus...to try to make their case!))
Posted by Mask at 09/18/2009 @ 07:25am
Ya, Paul, the Roman dude who had a vision he talked to god.....maybe he's related to Liv.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 09/18/2009 @ 07:30am
Where's the Norma Rae of Healthcare?
Hey, corporate America wishes they had killed her off earlier.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 09/18/2009 @ 07:45am
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 09/18/2009 @ 07:30am
Easy to predict a conservative's "Jesus was for this, but against that" reading of the Bible.
Wars?...they go Old Testament and ignore the NT.
Morality stuff (abortion/gays/etc.) more Old Testament plus Paul, who obviously had some "issues"...and as noted, never spent a day with Jesus but was a "late comer" who joined the party after the Host had left and claimed they were "best buds."
Posted by Mask at 09/18/2009 @ 07:54am
Read the bible , new testament chapters and get back to me on that! Maybe you will learn something.
Posted by BigPasture at 09/17/2009 @ 11:43pm
brother,
i'm not talking about the bible.
i'm talking about your inability to see that people at any part of the polispectrum will use the book to justify their nonsense.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/18/2009 @ 08:13am
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/18/2009 @ 08:13am
Frosty, again....Rio starts talking "Bible"...throw
Titus 3:2
at him. He trip all over himself finding some hypocritical excuse as to why it "doesn't apply".
Posted by Mask at 09/18/2009 @ 08:36am
Mask: "Frosty, again....Rio starts talking "Bible"...throw Titus 3:2 at him. He trip all over himself finding some hypocritical excuse as to why it "doesn't apply"."
--you apparently missed this, right before your post:
frostyzoom: "i'm talking about your inability to see that people at any part of the polispectrum will use the book to justify their nonsense."
--believe it or not, you're part of the "polispectrum" and your bible-thumping is just as much nonsense.
Posted by urmygyro at 09/18/2009 @ 08:39am
urmy disputes the indisputable with putes...?
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/18/2009 @ 11:44am
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/18/2009 @ 11:44am
He's the "most liberal poster on this blog", HSUB....
oddly, the right-wing ones like him so much!?!??!?!?
Posted by Mask at 09/18/2009 @ 1:28pm
"Where's the Norma Rae of Healthcare? "
That person was voted to decertify the union as Boeing did...
And after Norma Raye held up the card board sign that said union, the jobs started to die...
Just like the UAW in Michigan...
we had people in the jewelry industry who are in a union and wanted to get paid $ 20 an hour buffing rings....
and today there are no jewelry jobs left in NY....
and that aint inflation....thats job killers.....since many of these jobs are skilless....
even Frosty could do it....
so want to see more people die from "health care'..? unionise it...
Posted by YourJomamma at 09/18/2009 @ 1:37pm
Posted by Mask at 09/18/2009 @ 1:28pm
So ya'thunk maybe that's what must happen when one goes a fool circle walking backwards to not find oneself in the end!?!
He's obviously not what he was when he remembers himself not being who he is.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/18/2009 @ 2:04pm
so want to see more people die from "health care'..? unionise it... Posted by YourJomamma at 09/18/2009 @ 1:37pm
So you don't know about all the healthcare unionized workers?
Or are you saying because the preamble to our US constitution says "to form a more perfect Union", that if there's a healthcare 'public plan'-- we're really unionizing healthcare?
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/18/2009 @ 2:20pm
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/17/2009 @ 11:47pm
I posed a couple of questions for you over on Lacewell's post. Either you haven't seen it or you don't have an answer.
My point about all the gold in the Vatican, probably more than in Ft. Knox, is that faith based charity could do a whole lot mre to help out the poor, especially the Catholics. That's all.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 09/18/2009 @ 3:12pm
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 09/18/2009 @ 07:19am
Not to defend the neocons but, weren't the Nazis, from Adolph on down all Catholics? Wasn't the homosexual pedophile problem uncovered in the Catholic church to the tune of a billon plus in compensation to the victims? Cash in the gold. Help the poor. Give taxpayers a break.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 09/18/2009 @ 3:17pm
n down all Catholics? Wasn't the homosexual pedophile problem uncovered in the Catholic church to the tune of a billon plus in compensation to the victims? Cash in the gold. Help the poor. Give taxpayers a break.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 09/18/2009 @ 3:17pm
I have a bulletin for you..I know a lot of neocon Catholics. The Catholic church folks tend to vote rethug because of the abortion issue. Why do you think the rethugs use that as one of their tools? They can keep their base in line on other issues such as prayer in school and the burning the flag issue and stuff like that. The catholics can't get past the abortion issue. Sure there are some catholics who vote dem., but I'd say it's that about 40% of Catholics are republicans and you know what the church's stance is....they've backed rethugs everytime.
As far as good old Paul goes, if Paul hadn't been a convert, there would be no bible or Christian religion. The Roman Empire created the catholic church and also created the "Christian Empire" known as the holy Roman Empire. Protestants came much later so in reality all of the Christian religions stem from Catholic Church. Martin Luther was a Catholic Priest who split from the Catholic Church due to a dispute of canonical material.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 09/18/2009 @ 3:46pm
Posted by gunslinger1 at 09/18/2009 @ 3:12pm
Although I can't defend others' bureaucracies, I do believe we can make our own Union better in terms of more caring efficient service to the less fortunate and less wasted on big business subsidies or no bid deals. Although R&D for health related or social ills, seems a rather obvious and beneficial expenditure. Why if we continue thinking in 18th century boundaries, do we not repeal corporate personhood? Was that not original intent. Think about the saved (lobby) expenditures all round! Sales based more on pure product quality and competition than back room deals skewing strict and equitable regulation.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/18/2009 @ 3:47pm
r are you saying because the preamble to our US constitution says "to form a more perfect Union", that if there's a healthcare 'public plan'-- we're really unionizing healthcare?
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/18/2009 @ 2:20pm
hsuBfools, Play nice with the fool. He's been brainwashed to think that the word "union" is bad. You know the south still hates them yanks from them union states, and then there's union workers wanting a fair wage.....the bastards.
They don't know what the word union means. All they know is that their redneck mommy and daddy told em unions were bad. I guess that means that marriage is bad then too.
I took the liberty of taking this from wikipedia for the idiots out there who don't know what the word union means..... Union generally means a union or combining of two individual things into one.
What a horrible word it is indeed. I guess the United States is evil then too because the word united and union are closely related via the root word uni.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 09/18/2009 @ 3:55pm
hsuBfools, Play nice with the fool. He's been brainwashed to think that the word "union" is bad. You know the south still hates them yanks from them union states, and then there's union workers wanting a fair wage.....the bastards.
They don't know what the word union means. All they know is that their redneck mommy and daddy told em unions were bad. I guess that means that marriage is bad then too.
I took the liberty of taking this from wikipedia for the idiots out there who don't know what the word union means..... Union generally means a union or combining of two individual things into one.
What a horrible word it is indeed. I guess the United States is evil then too because the word united and union are closely related via the root word uni.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 09/18/2009 @ 3:55pm
It's amazing what nonsense a vacated mind will produce.
Posted by antisocialist at 09/18/2009 @ 3:59pm
As in a mind is a terrible thing to be vacated of delusions and misconceptions or just educated?
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/18/2009 @ 4:12pm
we had people in the jewelry industry who are in a union and wanted to get paid $ 20 an hour buffing rings....
and today there are no jewelry jobs left in NY....
and that aint inflation....thats job killers.....since many of these jobs are skilless...
even Frosty could do it....
Posted by YourJomamma at 09/18/2009 @ 1:37pm
so why do you get indian nine year olds to do it?
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/18/2009 @ 8:54pm
It's amazing what nonsense a vacated mind will produce.
Posted by antisocialist at 09/18/2009 @ 3:59pm
I know, I've read your posts.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 09/18/2009 @ 10:19pm
Happy New Year, everyone! For many good reasons, it's time for universal health care in the U.S. We can afford it; indeed, the non-system we have now is driving our nation's economy down. Single payer would save money, include everyone, and preserve the private practice of medicine. See Physicians for a National Health Plan at www.pnhp.org
Posted by idedaryl at 09/19/2009 @ 04:11am
Happy New Year, everyone! For many good reasons, it's time for universal health care in the U.S. We can afford it; indeed, the non-system we have now is driving our nation's economy down. Single payer would save money, include everyone, and preserve the private practice of medicine. See Physicians for a National Health Plan at www.pnhp.org
Posted by idedaryl at 09/19/2009 @ 04:11am
Well Said! By any objective measure, a form of single payer, universal health care is the most effective. Unfortunately, the US fall behind in most measures of health care to countries with some form of single payer.
It's clear to anyone willing to look at it with an open mind.
Posted by erazma at 09/19/2009 @ 06:40am
Posted by YourJomamma at 09/18/2009 @ 1:37pm |
Are the mines still working? Check.
Is Hollywood still humming along? Check.
Hotels and restaurants still standing? Check.
I'll grant you that yellow dogs like the UAW with cadillac plans and a sea of old farts may not have helped, but you can thank Wagoner for driving GM into that ditch.
What's your idea of a decent wage for a ringbuffer...keeping in mind that what you're asking for is someone who may not be skilled, but can be trusted around your product, will show up on time, and does a job that you don't want to do?
$7.25? $10? $2? What?
Posted by snowball777 at 09/19/2009 @ 07:37am
Buffing someones big old diamond and gold ring is not as easy as it sounds, where I live there are no unions to speak of, wish there were.
Posted by Denise29 at 09/19/2009 @ 09:58am
Happy New Year!
Posted by Denise29 at 09/19/2009 @ 10:01am
so why do you get indian nine year olds to do it?
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/18/2009 @ 8:54pm
We don't9 year olds ...we use Indian factorys that were build by German engineers and the people who work there make more than you...by quite a bit....
our company is owned by an Indian.
Posted by YourJomamma at 09/19/2009 @ 12:05pm
Hey YJ,
Indian as in from India or Native American?
BTW you never answered my previous question.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2009 @ 1:18pm
And is the factory, full of Indian workers, that was built by Germans, in NY or in India?
And they'd have to be making a good deal more that $20/hr to be making more than me. So I do not consider that too outrageous-- considering it be a rather tedious job with lots of ergonomic repetitive motion concerns. Otherwise there's not too much to bargain for if it's so simple a task.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2009 @ 1:31pm
Bushfools,
Our company is owned by Indians from India. The wages paid to the workers in these modern factories are in the Indisn middle class. I don't know what you earn but I was refering to Frosty who claims to earn $12,000 a year. The people in India and China fir that matter, make more than that and work more than just buffing rings. The unions here wanted to create sub catergorys in ring manufacturing process... a chimp can be trained to buff rings. The unions drove the industry off shore. Many small independant shops on 47th st closed and never opened.
BTW, the demand for the high wage here was in the 80s.....jewelry is piece work and many are paid by how much they produce( what a concept!!!)..
I did see the question I didn't answer. Tell or ask me again.
Posted by YourJomamma at 09/20/2009 @ 10:02am
I did see the question I didn't answer. Tell or ask me again. Posted by YourJomamma at 09/20/2009 @ 10:02am
So you don't know about all the healthcare unionized workers? Or are you saying because the preamble to our US constitution says "to form a more perfect Union", that if there's a healthcare 'public plan'-- we're really unionizing healthcare? Posted by hsuBfools at 09/18/2009 @ 2:20pm
Speaking of wages paid, I still remember celebrating, (a long long ways back of course), to having gotten a raise above $1.00/hr! I noticed also, looking at an SS statement, that I only recently crossed a dividing mid-point between all the years I had worked below 12K, to now having worked more years above that mark.
I doubt that any chimp can be trained to do any of the 30+ jobs I've had whether I was being paid less that a dollar to now. And some, I'm pretty sure dealt with a lot less finesse than polishing jewelry.
Lastly however, I'd have thunk yourself being such an enterprising type would've taken advantage of that situation and created a competitive business training chimps to do it and pocketed the profits!
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/20/2009 @ 1:54pm
Jesus did not come to rule the earth as his kingdom is not of this world. This is a truth most leftist cannot grasp. Yet, so many attempt to intellectualize, rationalize, justify, or use his existence to somehow reinforce ideology they embrace which he never advocated. It is always intresting to see them try. Posted by BigPasture at 09/17/2009 @ 11:02pm
Jesus never believed or taught to pressuring govts. Jesus never believed or taught to organize into unions Jesus never sent anyone to the doctor
Posted by antisocialist at 09/17/2009 @ 6:30pm
Posted by ficheye at 09/20/2009 @ 4:05pm
The previous postings above this one seem to be in conflict. Am I wrong on that?
Posted by ficheye at 09/20/2009 @ 4:53pm
The previous postings above this one seem to be in conflict. Am I wrong on that?
Posted by ficheye at 09/20/2009 @ 4:53pm
Where is the conflict you see?
Posted by antisocialist at 09/20/2009 @ 8:12pm
Where is the conflict you see? Posted by antisocialist at 09/20/2009 @ 8:12pm
Well for one bigpasture says "... so many attempt to intellectualize, rationalize, justify, or use his existence to somehow reinforce ideology they embrace which he never advocated."
And then you say "jesus never taught or advocated to organize into unions", which is technically correct, but misleading since he didn't really say anything about that at all. The same goes for the other two statements about governments and the doctor. He didn't say not to go to the doctor. He didn't say not to pressure the government.
So, to me, Jesus never advocated for these things, let alone against them. And when bigpasture says that many use his existence to justify things that he never advocated for (or against) to reinforce an ideology... it brings these posts from like minded individuals into conflict.
I read the previous posts as well. It still seems to me that you are doing the very thing that bigpasture is foisting off on others (generally 'leftists').
Posted by ficheye at 09/20/2009 @ 8:35pm
Young Americans Going To China For Jobs
http://tinyurl.com/n7bb38
And don't they have universal health as well as the shorter hours!?!
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/21/2009 @ 3:07pm