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RedditMention boycott in a discussion of Israel, and chances are you'll find yourself the butt of vicious attacks. Israeli professor Neve Gordon elicited just such denunciations when he published an op-ed in the Los Angeles Times last Thursday in support of the growing boycott, divestment and sanctions movement, or BDS (read Naomi Klein's January Nation column supporting BDS here). After Gordon's op-ed was published, several Members of the Israeli Knesset demanded his firing. The president of Ben-Gurion University in Beer-Sheva, where he teaches, said he should seek employment, and a home, elsewhere. And he's received death threats.
Nation readers, particularly those who follow the Israel-Palestine conflict, will recognize Gordon as a longtime contributor to this magazine (disclosure: I've worked with Neve for years as his editor and am a friend as well). He didn't come by this position lightly. As he explains in the op-ed,
It is indeed not a simple matter for me as an Israeli citizen to call on foreign governments, regional authorities, international social movements, faith-based organizations, unions and citizens to suspend cooperation with Israel. But today, as I watch my two boys playing in the yard, I am convinced that it is the only way that Israel can be saved from itself.I say this because Israel has reached a historic crossroads, and times of crisis call for dramatic measures. I say this as a Jew who has chosen to raise his children in Israel, who has been a member of the Israeli peace camp for almost 30 years and who is deeply anxious about the country's future.
Gordon then drops another word, apartheid, that seems to function as a red cape before the enraged bulls of the right-wing, ultra-Zionist camp:
The most accurate way to describe Israel today is as an apartheid state. For more than 42 years, Israel has controlled the land between the Jordan Valley and the Mediterranean Sea. Within this region about 6 million Jews and close to 5 million Palestinians reside. Out of this population, 3.5 million Palestinians and almost half a million Jews live in the areas Israel occupied in 1967, and yet while these two groups live in the same area, they are subjected to totally different legal systems. The Palestinians are stateless and lack many of the most basic human rights. By sharp contrast, all Jews -- whether they live in the occupied territories or in Israel -- are citizens of the state of Israel.
Gordon gets to the heart of the matter: "The question that keeps me up at night, both as a parent and as a citizen, is how to ensure that my two children as well as the children of my Palestinian neighbors do not grow up in an apartheid regime." After weighing the one-state versus two-state solution to the conflict and concluding that for now the latter is the more feasible, he argues that there is only one way to reach that goal:
I am convinced that outside pressure is the only answer. Over the last three decades, Jewish settlers in the occupied territories have dramatically increased their numbers. The myth of the united Jerusalem has led to the creation of an apartheid city where Palestinians aren't citizens and lack basic services. The Israeli peace camp has gradually dwindled so that today it is almost nonexistent, and Israeli politics are moving more and more to the extreme right.It is therefore clear to me that the only way to counter the apartheid trend in Israel is through massive international pressure. The words and condemnations from the Obama administration and the European Union have yielded no results, not even a settlement freeze, let alone a decision to withdraw from the occupied territories.
I consequently have decided to support the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement that was launched by Palestinian activists in July 2005 and has since garnered widespread support around the globe. The objective is to ensure that Israel respects its obligations under international law and that Palestinians are granted the right to self-determination.
In Bilbao, Spain, in 2008, a coalition of organizations from all over the world formulated the 10-point Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions campaign meant to pressure Israel in a "gradual, sustainable manner that is sensitive to context and capacity." For example, the effort begins with sanctions on and divestment from Israeli firms operating in the occupied territories, followed by actions against those that help sustain and reinforce the occupation in a visible manner. Along similar lines, artists who come to Israel in order to draw attention to the occupation are welcome, while those who just want to perform are not.
The firestorm wasn't long in coming. Education Minister Gideon Sa'ar called Gordon's article "repugnant and deplorable," and several other MKs, along with one far-right political party (National Union), demanded that Gordon be fired; never mind that he's a tenured professor voicing a carefully reasoned opinion on an issue directly relevant to his specialty. Even worse, the president of BGU, Rivka Carmi--instead of standing by a member of her faculty and defending a fundamental tenet of academic freedom--joined in the attack. "We are shocked and outraged by [Gordon's] remarks, which are irresponsible and morally reprehensible," she said, adding, "Academics who entertain such resentment toward their country are welcome to consider another professional and personal home."
What's truly shocking is for a university president to call, essentially, for the exile of one of her own faculty members and to turn the principles of academia, and reality, on their head by claiming Gordon's views are an "abuse [of] the freedom of speech prevailing in Israel and at BGU." No doubt Carmi was shaken by a letter she'd received from the Israeli consul-general in LA, Yaakov Dayan, who said some BGU benefactors were threatening to withhold donations.
Fortunately, the Association for Civil Rights in Israel has condemned BGU and is standing by Gordon. You should too, by writing a letter to the president of BGU and the education minister backing him--and you don't have to support his position on the boycott question to do so. Read Stephen Walt's wise comments in Foreign Policy; Walt is against BDS but stands by Gordon's right to express his opinion and warns against the chilling effect the attacks on him will have.
I'll give the last word to Gordon, who was quoted Sunday in Ynetnews:
From the responses to the article it seems most people don't have the courage to discuss the main issues: Is Israel an apartheid state? How can the Israeli-Palestinian conflict be resolved? Is the settlement project good for Israel or will it cause the state's destruction? It's easy to criticize me while evading the tough and important questions.
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maybe all the palestinians,
be they christian or muslim,
should convert to judaism.
that'd show 'em.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/25/2009 @ 12:52am
I noticed there's an unusual amount of disclaimers by the bloggers lately: p.s. I worked here, p.s. I know him personally, p.s. he's my best friend, etc...
Posted by urmygyro at 08/25/2009 @ 12:57am
"maybe all the palestinians,
be they christian or muslim,
should convert to judaism"
Then there would be peace.
Posted by libertyfortheoppressed at 08/25/2009 @ 02:26am
When it comes to the Israeli savagery directed at Palestinians; not even Taliban have gone that far. Despite the arduous attempts by the Zionist-Controlled media in the West to cover up this Israeli savagery, facts about the criminal nature of Israel are gradually entering the public domain. Recent article in a Swedish paper presented chilling details of plucking of body parts from murdered Palestinians in the occupied territories by Israeli soldiers. The stolen body parts were most likely smuggled to the thriving body parts black market in Israel. Group of Jewish Rabies have been arrested recently participating and profiting from this immoral body parts trade; not even the Nazis have gone to this level of savagery.
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/ TPV3/Voices.php/2009/08/20/ israel-trade-in-palestinian-body-parts-t
http://pallgutha.vox.com/library /post/israel-force-has-stolen- palestine-body-parts.html
All recent polls show that the majority of Israelis are no less hawkish than their fascist leaders when it comes to victimizing the Palestinians. The same pervasive German mop mentality of the Hitler era is alive and well in modern Israel. The children of the holocaust victims are taking pages from the Gestapo Manual and eagerly applying it to the Palestinians under their occupation.
The Israeli criminal nature, glaring Apartheid and deception have never been more obvious.
Posted by CripThink at 08/25/2009 @ 06:54am
I can't wait to hear Liver rant on about this subject.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 08/25/2009 @ 07:09am
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 08/25/2009 @ 07:09am
Only fair....we've already heard from the Vehemently Anti-Israel side...might as well hear from the "Israel Can Do No Wrong" Side.
All we'll get on this thread, as is often true of this particular topic on Robert Dreyfuss' threads.
Posted by Mask at 08/25/2009 @ 07:45am
<i>Posted by IlyaKuryakin at 08/25/2009 @ 05:41am </i>
So you not only admit that he made the statement...but you defend it. All I can say is...wow.
<i>Posted by CripThink at 08/25/2009 @ 06:54am </i>
The body parts thing sounds awfully familiar...oh yeah, it's a mutated version of the blood libel myth.
That plus..."Israel-controlled media"...really? really?
Posted by Thrawn at 08/25/2009 @ 09:39am
ilya-If the Jews were that powerful then Gore/Lieberman would have won in 2000 and Lieberman would have ended up as POTUS.Go play on Huffpo.The kids that play on there are paranoid nutcases,like you, who do the same knee jerking that you do.
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/25/2009 @ 09:45am
"<i>Posted by IlyaKuryakin at 08/25/2009 @ 05:41am </i>
So you not only admit that he made the statement...but you defend it. All I can say is...wow.
<i>Posted by CripThink at 08/25/2009 @ 06:54am </i>
The body parts thing sounds awfully familiar...oh yeah, it's a mutated version of the blood libel myth.
That plus..."Israel-controlled media"...really? really?"
Ilya is a blatantly anti-semitic lunatic. He's said AQ is run by the American government, argued that Iran today is a free country, and now argued that "Israelism is verminism".
Israelis are "vermin" who secretly control the whole world according to him.
Posted by libertyfortheoppressed at 08/25/2009 @ 09:55am
If, as IlyaKuryakin says, Ahmadinejad wants to wipe "the Zionist regime" from "the pages of time" what is the point of all this discussion? Whether or not anybody boycotts Israel, the whole region seems likely to go up in a forest of mushroom clouds sometime in the 21st century, whether from Iranian nukes or Russian leftovers or somebody else who can master the 60-year-old technology of the Bomb. At least now that the Cold War is over this will only result in a scorching of the Middle East rather than igniting World War III.
Posted by Mistral at 08/25/2009 @ 10:39am
The body parts thing sounds awfully familiar...oh yeah, it's a mutated version of the blood libel myth.
Posted by Thrawn at 08/25/2009 @ 09:39am
Thrawn,
Two articles were provided to support my piece. Why not try to rationally refute the story and present your evidence, instead of babbling your BS?
You must be one of those blind Zionists who hear no evil and see no evil when it comes to Israel. I think that one of the stories is written by an Israeli anyways. And how about the New Jersey Rabies who were busted for money laundering of the body parts business?
Posted by CripThink at 08/25/2009 @ 10:46am
Fortunately for Israel, there are more than enough people who support them.
Professor Gordon calls for Israel to commit suicide then he and his friends wonder why there is such a strong backlash.
This is another good example of why the far left is destructive for the world. They empower evil at every opportunity. History is replete with the examples. Yet they continue to go down the same destructive path.
Posted by antisocialist at 08/25/2009 @ 10:49am
Who are the New Jersey Rabies? Did they sign Michael Vick?
Posted by Mistral at 08/25/2009 @ 10:50am
The New Jersey Rabies are the archenemy of the Toxic Avenger.
www.Toxic-Avenger.com\4815162342.clonewhores.htm
Posted by HonestLiberal at 08/25/2009 @ 10:55am
Israel is a barbaric and savage nation for the way it treats the Palestinian people and its neighbors; however, it is short-sighted and vain as well, if its people broadly and its leadership believe that Israel can last forever in a state of perennial violent conflict with the Palestinian majority. No boycott is a threat to Israel, nor is there any military threat to the little nation, which has a large, modern strategic nuclear arsenal. Israel is instead its own 'existential threat', and should fear its own fanaticism, apartheid, etc. first of all.
Posted by syfriendly at 08/25/2009 @ 11:04am
Who are the New Jersey Rabies? Did they sign Michael Vick?
Posted by Mistral at 08/25/2009 @ 10:50am
Easy man; just because they were not on Blitzer's Situation Room, it doesn't mean that they don't exist. This is precisely what I mean by Zionist-controlled media.
Had the bearded Rabies been Muslim Clergies trading body parts instead, they would have been headline news in every small town newspaper in America.
Posted by CripThink at 08/25/2009 @ 11:05am
"...Zionist-Controlled media in the West....
And that's all that need be said about CripThink.
Posted by biblio44 at 08/25/2009 @ 11:14am
biblio44,
To your immense discomfort and dismay; the story is not about CripThink, it is about the racist nature of Israel.
Posted by CripThink at 08/25/2009 @ 11:24am
See, Wolf?
Posted by Mask at 08/25/2009 @ 11:26am
Rabies is a disease which can infect dogs (that's where the Vick reference comes in), and it has nothing to do with money laundering.
There were big headlines recently in such papers (both large and small-town) as the Newark Star-Ledger about corruption in New Jersey, which could have serious implications for former Goldman Sachs executive and state politician John Corzine, but the only reference to communicable disease was to Swine Flu.
And seriously, what is Wolf Blitzer's real name?
Posted by Mistral at 08/25/2009 @ 11:39am
And seriously, what is Wolf Blitzer's real name?
Posted by Mistral at 08/25/2009 @ 11:39am
"Wolf"...his maternal grandfather's name. All rumors of other names, including "Leslie", are off of blogs.
Posted by Mask at 08/25/2009 @ 11:42am
<i>Posted by CripThink at 08/25/2009 @ 10:46am </i>
No, but that is a convenient strawman. I am repulsed by many of Israel's actions, but I refuse to either condemn its existence or endorse the utterly ungrounded conspiracy theories that you seem to defend.
So let's talk about the New Jersey rabbis. First of all, the trade was specifically in organs, which matters. Organ-selling has been a market for corruption for a pretty long time. Second, they were specific corrupt people in a network of corruption. Neither of these gives you justification for blatantly assuming a gigantic conspiracy by "the Jews." That said, this operations should of course be condemned by any reasonable person.
Also, my memory could be mistaken, but I DID hear about this on mainstream media. So yeah...this doesn't help your "Zionist-controlled media" hypothesis at all.
Posted by Thrawn at 08/25/2009 @ 11:56am
I do not support a boycott of Israel.
I believe that Israel is going through drug withdrawal, and we all know that drug addicts are dangerous during withdrawal; they may hurt themselves or others.
For eight years (and more), Israel has gotten everything they wanted from the United States. Weapons, money, political cover for doing stupid and dangerous things, etc. I think we need to continue to support them; at least the ones who actually want peace with Palestine.
However, do not accuse me of being an Israeli apologist. I think we must force Israel to the peace table, far more than we had to push Egypt back in the 70's. Israel's ultra-conservatives (on par with our neo-cons) want war, war and more war, because they have been beneficiaries of our neo-con drug pushing for the past thirty years. They think they can win an all-out war, but are now a little more cautious because of their debacle in Lebanon.
Now is the time for strong words from the United States. Now is the time for forceful negotiations with Israel, and now is the time to cut off the weapons flow. I do not see this as a boycott, but rather a "realignment" of our Israeli policies. We cannot continue to allow our ally to bomb innocent people. Period. Israel must take the lead in going to the peace table because they can, because they should, and because it is the moral thing to do.
Because the Palestinians are in-fighting amongst themselves, it makes it that much harder to bring them to the table, but if Israel encourages the peacemakers in the Palestinian camp, then perhaps the peace-makers will win the Palestinian in-fighting.
Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 08/25/2009 @ 12:23pm
I do not support a boycott of Israel.
Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 08/25/2009 @ 12:23pm
i do.
china, too.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/25/2009 @ 12:28pm
not that china does -- i'm sure they buy lots of israeli kill'ems.
boycott china.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/25/2009 @ 12:28pm
boycott china.---Posted by frosty zoom at 08/25/2009 @ 12:28pm
Got the extra $2500 a year for working class Americans that they'll have to spend looking for non-Chinese products?
Posted by Mask at 08/25/2009 @ 1:11pm
Neither of these gives you justification for blatantly assuming a gigantic conspiracy by "the Jews."
Posted by Thrawn at 08/25/2009 @ 11:56am
Thrawn,
Your problem is in mixing the terms Zionists and Jews. I don't recall that I have ever used the term "Jewish Conspiracy"; it is sheer assumption on your part. Pointing out the overwhelming influence exerted by the pro Israel Zionists on our mainstream media is well-known fact and it does not imply "Jewish Conspiracy". Matter of fact, most of the stories I reference, which are critical of Israel, are written by Jews.
Reading the Israeli press underscores my point of view. It is common to read stories that are critical of Israel on a daily basis in the Israeli press; while a minor criticism of Israel in America is always treated with contempt and labeled as Anti-Semitism by the pro Israel crowd.
Boycotting Israel will benefit Israel in the long term. Zionism has failed and the racist Zionist leadership are taking Israel and the Jews on a dark journey. They can't go on with their deception and expect to fool the world forever. The Racist South Africans tried it before and failed miserably.
Posted by CripThink at 08/25/2009 @ 1:14pm
Sadly, the strength of views on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict stands in inverse proportion to the degree of understanding of the conflict. The more you understand it, the more reluctant you are to rush to judgement on who the good guys and who the bad guys are here (hint: there are no good guys, just a lot of civilian collateral damage).
This is a conflict whose roots go back over a century, with historical claims going back over 2 millenia. There is a tangled weave of wrongs perpetrated viciously by both sides so many times that assigning blame for the conflict as a whole is inane.
As for who's promoting peace, and who is preventing it: Israel can claim credit for expanding settlements and preventing a viable Palestinian state. The Palestinians can claim credit for vicious campaigns of suicide bombings and deliberate massacres of civilians, as well as refusing to accept settlement offers from the 1947 partition through to 2000 in Camp David.
Apartheid state? Bah. South Africa is a simple case compared with this one. But, people enjoy being self-righteous, especially when it costs them nothing. So, go ahead, I won't spoil the fun.
Posted by HyppiasMinor at 08/25/2009 @ 1:22pm
Always a problem of going too far.
Napoleon could have just stopped at the height of his conquests, passed on the opportunity to invade Russia, and settled for a prosperous retirement.
The Confederate States of America could have simply seceded and dared the Federals to invade, leaving Fort Sumter alone.
Hitler and Stalin could have divided Europe into two enormous Socialist empires in 1939.
The Arabs controlled all of the Middle East, except for a postage stamp sized piece of desert with no oil and a few Jews. They could have declared peace and just gotten on with the process of tearing down synagogues and clearing away archaeological digs, but in 1948...
Posted by Mistral at 08/25/2009 @ 1:31pm
Got the extra $2500 a year for working class Americans that they'll have to spend looking for non-Chinese products?
Posted by Mask at 08/25/2009 @ 1:11pm
they should go to china and get their old jobs back.
blame the fed.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/25/2009 @ 1:47pm
Neve Gordon is absolutely right, as well as Naomi Klein. Playing nice ain't gonna cut it when you're talking about racist sociopath raging lunatics. Schoolyard bullies and Mafioso don't really give a rat about 'sanctions' or unfavorable press, either. Neve Gordon seems like a great guy every time I've read him, and his courage should be an example to generally cowardly liberals. But why the HELL would he want to live in Israel? Is he a racist, too, when it's all said and done?
Posted by DejaVu at 08/25/2009 @ 1:49pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/25/2009 @ 1:47pm
Try to come up with REAL solutions...to your "solutions", FZ.
Posted by Mask at 08/25/2009 @ 3:19pm
Let me see if I understand this......
Hezbollah sends more than 8,000 rockets targeted at Israeli hospitals, schools, and homes and no one talks about boycotting Lebanon. In the Sudan 400,000 people have been murdered in Darfur but no one talks about boycotting the Sudan. In North Korea more than two million people were starved to death but countries still do business with North Korea. In Syria in 1982 the government murdered 20,000 of its own citizens and then paved over their graves but no one talks about boycotting Syria, which today, in 2009 Syria houses some of the world's worst terrorist organizations. Iran's fanatic Muslim leaders just stole an election and arms every terrorist group in the world but Europe and Asia fall over themselves doing business with Iran because they need Iran's oil. In the Palestinian terroritories hundreds of Kassam missiles are launched at Israeli cities but that's okay because of the "occupation" and the Palestinians use of suicide bombings on Israeli busses, in Israeli supermarkets, shopping malls, and restaurants is also "okay."
The only democracy in the Middle East is Israel where all three great religions have freedom and there are Arab members in the Israeli parliament. This tiny country, the size of New Jersey, with no natural resources, no oil, natural gas, gold, or precious metals, which has provided the world with more inventions in science, engineering, mathematics, and technology than any other country, deserves to be boycotted because they don't like their citizens being slaughtered by Moslems who teach their children from the time they are born to hate Jews.
Yes, I now understand. The world has obviously gone mad.
Posted by mjkoch at 08/25/2009 @ 3:55pm
When intelligent discourse encounters rabid nationalism, almost invariably it is intelligence that suffers the major setback. I would speculate most of those who are reacting negatively to his statements only heard or read "boycott Israel" and not the "graded, sensitive boycott" dealing strictly with the settlements, let alone bothered to research anything about it. Academics with the courage to speak truth to power have every reason to fear the pitch fork, torchlight carrying masses. It also appears the BGU president not only has a very skewed perception of freedom of speech, she probably may have neither read nor understood what Dr. Gordon wrote. Perhaps one of his more understanding colleagues could explain it to her, as reason, sanity and logic seem to be out of her area of expertise.
Posted by geographycat at 08/25/2009 @ 3:58pm
posted by ROANE CAREY on 08/24/2009 @ 11:20pm
It might be that the real story here is that the Israeli Knesset is demanding the firing of American academics, and that American universities are so responsive to a foreign government.
Posted by syfriendly at 08/25/2009 @ 4:05pm
For all those who want to boycott Israel please take the time to view this video on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saeky9I5T9c
Then, after watching it, try and list all the contributions in medicine, science and technology from the entire Arab and Moslem world the past sixty years.
This posting is from an American Jew who loves America and loves Israel.
Posted by mjkoch at 08/25/2009 @ 4:06pm
<i>Posted by CripThink at 08/25/2009 @ 1:14pm </i>
Zionist control of the mainstream media is not a "well-known fact" at all. The fact that you assert it as one does not thereby make it self-evident or even true. I've posted anti-Israel stories in the media before, so the claim that the mass-media just glosses over any stories that paint Israel in a negative light is false.
Posted by Thrawn at 08/25/2009 @ 4:15pm
Considering all the damage to the reputation of Islam in the past few years from fatwas, hijackings, beheadings, tossing people in wheelchairs off boats, etc., what should Muslims do to improve the image of their religion and culture around the world?
Posted by Mistral at 08/25/2009 @ 4:18pm
"It is common to read stories that are critical of Israel on a daily basis in the Israeli press;"
That is because it is a FREE COUNTRY you idiot!
Posted by mjkoch at 08/25/2009 @ 3:55pm
Beautifully put. Hatred of Israel is just the hip new PC form of anti-semitism.
Posted by libertyfortheoppressed at 08/25/2009 @ 4:18pm
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Your superiority complex is already showing. If you want to convince people inclined to participate in a boycott of Israel, you probably need to start talking about Avigdor Lieberman. Or the recent Israeli legislation that requires that higher-ranking judicial appointees in Israel be approved by Shin Bet.
Posted by syfriendly at 08/25/2009 @ 4:23pm
RE: the post by syfriendly at 08/25/2009 @ 4:23pm
You sir, are an anti-semite. Out of a country of seven million people your first thought is to pick the foreign minister as evidence of Israel being bad. Perhaps you need to read Israeli newspapers online - most are in English, and learn that a great many Israeli's are embarrassed by Leiberman, just as many newspapers here blasted Bush and Cheney.
Those of you who bash the "evil" Israel need to either visit Israel and experience freedoms you will not find anywhere else in the Middle East or read Israeli newspapers. Perhaps reading Al Jazerra, which still refers to suicide bombers as "martyrs" and "heroes" has clouded your objectivity. Just so you do not wallow in your ignorance, there is an Israeli Left as left and moreso than the editors and columnists on this website and they are never forbidden to express their discontent with the Israeli government on Israeli radio, t.v., or the Internet. Israel is a democracy just like America, hardly perfect, but free, unlike the other countries posters here seem to be silent about the lack of freedom in: Cuba, Iran, Syria, Saudia Arabia, Russia, North Korea, The Sudan, Pakistan, and about a dozen more countries. You do however, have no problems whatsoever saving your hatred and animosity towards Israel.
I never hear a word about the denial of freedom of press, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion in the Arab and Moslem world. Not one word. While our soldiers were defending Saudia Arabia during the first Gulf War they were not allowed to celebrate Christmas. No one seems to care about the abusive treatment of women in the Arab world, or the fact that most of the Arab world's elementary school textbooks call BOTH Christians and Jews "monkeys and pigs." Sad.
Posted by mjkoch at 08/25/2009 @ 4:42pm
<i>Posted by syfriendly at 08/25/2009 @ 4:05pm </i>
BTW, the academic mentioned in the story was Israeli, not American. He published an editorial in an American paper, but works at Ben-Gurion University in Beer-sheva.
Posted by Thrawn at 08/25/2009 @ 5:42pm
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Oh fuck off. I am so sick of tbe "critic of Israel is a Jew-hater" routine I could puke. No, I am not anti-Jewish. Sorry you wrote so much in response to me because the first line contained that silly old saw and nothing else got read.
These comments threads are not Israeli-occupied mass media. Summary denunciations of critics of Israel may make you feel better but are otherwise ineffectual and make you lack credibility.
Posted by syfriendly at 08/25/2009 @ 6:41pm
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Thanks and fair point. However, Israel has gone after other American academics. My point stands, though your correction is completely valid.
Posted by syfriendly at 08/25/2009 @ 6:42pm
I applaud Professor Gordon for his courage to speak out against this barbarous state of affairs in the occupied land of the Palestinians. This Zionist state is the last bastion of a cancerous Apartheid system on this earth. Those who do not speak out against this tyrannical system are just as guilty of this travesty of human injustice. The Israelis are now the perpetrators of a holocaust. The world must bring them along, kicking and screaming as they will obviously do, into a civilize existence of human behavior. If it takes an international boycott, so be it.
Posted by su at 08/25/2009 @ 6:49pm
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Its certainly not the last bastion of apartheid on Earth.
Posted by syfriendly at 08/25/2009 @ 6:55pm
No one seems to care about the abusive treatment of women in the Arab world, or the fact that most of the Arab world's elementary school textbooks call BOTH Christians and Jews "monkeys and pigs." Sad.
Posted by mjkoch at 08/25/2009 @ 4:42pm
Really, you are breaking my heart, mjkoch.
Let's take a tour into the Talmudic teachings where women are referred to as sacks of shit and mocking and coursing Jesus and the Gentiles are part its hateful discourse. Tell me mjkoch; what is the distance that Jewish women should be kept from the Wailing Wall and why? How hard should they be punished if they get closer to the wall?
How about the rituals of hate infused into Jewish children at the Jewish settlements while they are indoctrinated on how to shoot Palestinians and burn their olive trees. Nice try body; go take a hard look in the mirror and see what kind of monster you will be looking at. You and your brethren are far from being the angels you want us to believe.
Posted by CripThink at 08/25/2009 @ 6:59pm
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I remember a photo that made the (overtly Zionist) New York Times headlines during Israel's *last* barbaric assault on the people of Lebanon - a rabbi had Israeli children lined up at an artillery site that was firing shells into Lebanon. The rabbi was having the children sign and write nasty little messages on the shells waiting to be fired. It was utterly disgusting.
Posted by syfriendly at 08/25/2009 @ 7:06pm
That is because it is a FREE COUNTRY you idiot! Posted by mjkoch at 08/25/2009 @ 3:55pm
Beautifully put. Hatred of Israel is just the hip new PC form of anti-semitism.
Posted by libertyfortheoppressed at 08/25/2009 @ 4:18pm
Impressive boys, then why it is that jerks like you are objecting to the same freedom of criticizing Israel here in America? And why it is that your squeal of Anti-Semitism is so loud? I used to believe that America was A FREE COUNTRY too, before the Israeli Lobby imposed the new restrictions
Posted by CripThink at 08/25/2009 @ 7:17pm
<i>Posted by syfriendly at 08/25/2009 @ 7:06pm </i>
Isn't that an indicator that the New York Times ISN'T "Zionist-controlled." You're not going to get any cheers or support for showing children doing that.
<i>Posted by CripThink at 08/25/2009 @ 7:17pm </i>
1) Define the Israel Lobby. And don't give me any of the "but I can't do it PRECISELY" nonsense; either tell me exactly what you mean by the term or quit pretending that it means something.
2) What restrictions are you referring to? Objecting to criticisms of Israel isn't a violation of freedom, RESTRAINING such criticisms is. Criticizing criticism is called discourse.
Posted by Thrawn at 08/25/2009 @ 9:05pm
Try to come up with REAL solutions...to your "solutions", FZ.
Posted by Mask at 08/25/2009 @ 3:19pm
stable money based on a basket of commodities.
accountable central bank.
the jobs have left because inflation has squished them away.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/25/2009 @ 9:12pm
Try to come up with REAL solutions...to your "solutions", FZ.
Posted by Mask at 08/25/2009 @ 3:19pm
do you enjoy supporting a repressive regime?
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/25/2009 @ 9:12pm
RE: Cripthink and Syfriendly: "I used to believe that America was A FREE COUNTRY too, before the Israeli Lobby imposed the new restrictions"
It's perfectly fine to criticize any government but when you try and hide your anti-semitism and vitriolic hatred of Jews by making false accusations about a country you know absolutely nothing about, never visited, and have hated the inhabitants of your entire life I dare say your foul mouth criticisms show how vapid your arguments are and how small minded you are. Your accusations about the Israeli lobby are no better than the blood libel of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion or the Syrian governments annual poison at Passover accusing Jews of murdering Christian children to use their blood to make matzah.
There are criticisms about Israeli government policy in every Israeli online and print media publication, and there are countless criticisms about Israel in American television, radio, and Internet sites, including many, many articles on this website and no one has ever pressured this publication or any others about what opinions to publish.
In America we are allowed to have lobbies but for some reason the Israeli lobby upsets you more than the NRA, the AMA, the teachers lobby, the pharmaceutical lobby, the insurance lobby and dozens of other lobbies. You are more upset about Jews supporting the security of the State of Israel than you are about any other lobby in America and pretend that all other lobbies are benign. You cannot hide your anti-semitism when you so blatantly are forthing at the mouth about the Israeli lobby wanting to protect a country the size of the State of New Jersey that lives in a neighborhood where Jews and Christians are despised. Folks like you probably blame Jews for everything.
Posted by mjkoch at 08/25/2009 @ 9:12pm
Beautifully put. Hatred of Israel is just the hip new PC form of anti-semitism.
Posted by libertyfortheoppressed at 08/25/2009 @ 4:18pm
stupid nonsense.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/25/2009 @ 9:13pm
Perhaps reading Al Jazerra, which still refers to suicide bombers as "martyrs" and "heroes" has clouded your objectivity.
Posted by mjkoch at 08/25/2009 @ 4:42pm
It was September 4, 1804. The United States was at war with the Barbary pirates along the North African coast. The U.S. Navy was desperate to penetrate the enemy defenses. Commodore Edward Preble, who headed up the Third Mediterranean Squadron, chose an unusual stratagem: sending a booby-trapped U.S.S. Intrepid into the bay at Tripoli, one of the Barbary states of the Ottoman empire, to blow up as many of the enemy's ships as possible. U.S. sailors packed 10,000 pounds of gunpowder into the boat along with 150 shells.
When Lieutenant Richard Sommers, who commanded the vessel, addressed his crew on the eve of the mission, a midshipman recorded his words:
"'No man need accompany him, who had not come to the resolution to blow himself up, rather than be captured; and that such was fully his own determination!' Three cheers was the only reply. The gallant crew rose, as a single man, with the resolution yielding up their lives, sooner than surrender to their enemies: while each stepped forth, and begged as a favor, that he might be permitted to apply the match!"
The crew of the boat then guided the Intrepid into the bay at night. So as not to be captured and lose so much valuable gunpowder to the enemy, they chose to blow themselves up with the boat. The explosion didn't do much damage -- at most, one Tripolitan ship went down -- but the crew was killed just as surely as the two men who plowed a ship piled high with explosives into the U.S.S. Cole in the Gulf of Aden nearly 200 years later.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/25/2009 @ 9:19pm
Perhaps reading Al Jazerra, which still refers to suicide bombers as "martyrs" and "heroes" has clouded your objectivity.
Posted by mjkoch at 08/25/2009 @ 4:42pm
The Pope went further: "The American commander, with a small force and in a short space of time, has done more for the cause of Christianity than the most powerful nations of Christiandom have done for ages!"
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175103/john_feffe r_their_martyrs_and_our_heroes
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/25/2009 @ 9:20pm
As a man lucky enough to have been born in a country where terror and war were, for the most part, a foreign concept....something that takes place in far flung regions....I can't possibly know or understand the mindset of an average Israeli citizen. I DO...though, have some personal experience in the concept and aftermath of...."the other...the possible enemy...fear based decisions". It made it possible for the US to create a policy that put the American Indian on isolated reservations....to enslave a race...and then to send them into slums and economic dystrophy after they were "freed". Allowing fear to rule your government's actions is never a good idea...and is even worse when those actions simply stoke the rage of the source of your fear...and send all parties into an unstopable downward spiral.
Posted by truthhurtsaz at 08/25/2009 @ 9:22pm
I never hear a word about the denial of freedom of press, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion in the Arab and Moslem world. Not one word. While our soldiers were defending Saudia Arabia during the first Gulf War they were not allowed to celebrate Christmas. No one seems to care about the abusive treatment of women in the Arab world, or the fact that most of the Arab world's elementary school textbooks call BOTH Christians and Jews "monkeys and pigs." Sad.
Posted by mjkoch at 08/25/2009 @ 4:42pm
and what country supports the governments of egypt, saudi arabia, kuwait, iraq, uae, yemen.......?
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/25/2009 @ 9:22pm
For all those who want to boycott Israel please take the time to view this video on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saeky9I5T9c Then, after watching it, try and list all the contributions in medicine, science and technology from the entire Arab and Moslem world the past sixty years. This posting is from an American Jew who loves America and loves Israel.
Posted by mjkoch at 08/25/2009 @ 4:06pm
i wonder if any of those israelis used algebra.
racist trash.....
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/25/2009 @ 9:23pm
This Zionist state is the last bastion of a cancerous Apartheid system on this earth.
Posted by su at 08/25/2009 @ 6:49pm
uh, not really.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/25/2009 @ 9:25pm
Posted by mjkoch at 08/25/2009 @ 9:12pm
jews rock!
einstein, gershwin, joey ramone.........
but israeli really sucks.
it shouldn't have been put there in the first place, but hey, colonialism has created many disasters.
but there it is.
well, o.k. this could be a good thing, an economic force in a region dependent on revenue from an ever-dwindling resource.
but why keep on taking more and more? that's just nasty.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/25/2009 @ 9:32pm
A small victory for tax payers in the case of Bloomberg LP v. Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, 08-CV-9595, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York (Manhattan).
Bloomberg resports that Manhattan Chief U.S. District Judge Loretta Preska said the central bank "improperly withheld agency records" by "conducting an inadequate search" after Bloomberg News reporters filed a request under the information act. The Fed was given five days to turn over documents, including 231 pages of reports, and must look for more at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, which runs most of the loan programs.
The Fed had said that disclosing the recipients of the #2T may hurt them. It may still appeal the decision. As many of the readers here know, but most people in the world don't, the Federal Reserve is a separate entity from the Government and amazingly does not have to answer to Congress, nor to the President.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/25/2009 @ 9:59pm
Posted by Thrawn at 08/25/2009 @ 9:05pm Posted by mjkoch at 08/25/2009 @ 9:12pm
Thrwan and mjkoch,
It seems that we have the case of two Zionists who are in denial here. Let me quote renowned Zionists and what they said about the strength of the Israeli Lobby and its control over America's public policies. Again these are not my words:
Jeffrey Goldberg, over at the New Yorker, relates a conversation with the Israeli Spy and member of AIPAC Steve Rosen:
"He (Rosen) pushed a napkin across the table.' you see this napkin?' he said.' in twenty-four hours, we could have the signatures of seventy senators on this napkin"
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that... I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." --Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (speaking to Shimon Peres, as reported on Israel Radio [in Hebrew, Kol Yisrael], 3 October 2001)
Just a reminder, Steven Rosen was a top American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) official for over 23 years. He and his fellow AIPAC official, Keith Weissman were indicted for Spying on America for Israel. I don't think that the Zionist Ariel Sharon needs introduction.
Posted by CripThink at 08/26/2009 @ 05:58am
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/25/2009 @ 9:12pm
No, but I don't go for cheap throwaway lines like "Boycott China" with no real, specific ways to account for the loss of buying power of working class families who'd have to come up with as much as $2500 extra a year to compensate for basic needs they get at the local Wally-World.
You figure out a plan to get us off of Chinese imports and not crush the lower and middle class and I'll look at it.
And your other old standby of "Consume less" won't cut it either. A family can't "consume less" sneakers for their kids as they grow out of them....or "consume less" dishwasher detergent (even using a sink, not a machine).
Posted by Mask at 08/26/2009 @ 07:58am
Posted by Mistral at 08/25/2009 @ 1:31pm | ignore this person | warn this person
you are mistaken. Hitler was not a socialist, the Nazi party, despite the word socialist was not a socialist party. the opposite is true. Hitler and the Nazis persecuted and killed socialists.
Posted by emile duBois at 08/26/2009 @ 08:01am
Oh fuck off.
gosh, I love that kind of talk.
Posted by emile duBois at 08/26/2009 @ 08:04am
I congratulate Roane for his ability to clearly see Israel as it is and make comparisons to apartheid.
Now, if Roane would look at the constitution of Israel and see that many of it's signers were avowed communists and acknowledge that a Kibbutz is simply another name for commune and that the US has been basically been supporting a communist country then he would be 20/20 in his view of Israel.
Posted by R_Schauer at 08/26/2009 @ 08:09am
Israel professes to be a God-fearing nation that has forgotten what the notions of "God" are all about, in favor of greed, real estate land-grabs, bigotry, prejudice, xenophobia and racism, all bound together by war interests and war materiel.
Perhaps we should enable Israel to move to Wall St (we have enabled everything else) and have them hire fundamentalist Christian right wing war mongers to mop their floors and mow their lawns. They all share the same recidivist ideologies.
Big pharma should come up with a pill for smug arrogance and feigned superiority.
No, I'm not angry. Why do you ask?
Posted by hivanh at 08/26/2009 @ 08:30am
<i>Posted by CripThink at 08/26/2009 @ 05:58am </i>
As I've said already, I don't pretend to be a blind supporter of everything Israel does. I think there's some serious problems with their policies, and to some extent I'd echo hivanh in arguing that Israel has in many ways neglected God's calling to welcome the stranger and extend compassion to the poor. I don't dispute that.
What I would dispute is the over-the-top demonization of Israel that you embrace. I'd first of all ask you to put yourself in the position of someone living in Israel, who until relatively recently was subject to constant threat of attack, whether in civilian contexts or not. I don't pretend to know what I'd do in that situation. For the same reason, I'm not sure what I would do if I were put in the miserable situation which most Palestinians face. All I'm asking is that you try to have some sense of what the people on both sides are going through before you issue rote condemnations. I'd make the same argument to those like mkoch and antisocialist.
Second, though, the fact that some Israelis believe they control the US media is not proof that they do. Your own story about soldiers having kids write slogans on missiles is a perfect example; what Zionist in their right mind would want the media to print that? Again, point me to the "Israel Lobby" through which this control is exercised. If you're talking about groups like AIPAC, show me how they control the output of the media. Otherwise, you have nothing more than an assertion, and that's especially problematic since Jewish control of the media has been asserted since time immemorial and used as a justification for antisemitism. That's why I'm concerned, and that's why I'm asking you for precision and caution.
Posted by Thrawn at 08/26/2009 @ 08:42am
Posted by emile duBois at 08/26/2009 @ 08:01am
You fell right into the trap, dude. I notice you didn't say the USSR "was not socialist." So from this may we assume you believe that the USSR was socialist? Careful how you answer, it might make socialism look bad!
Posted by Mistral at 08/26/2009 @ 08:58am
Posted by Mistral
I refer you to the citation from Götz von Berlichingen by Goethe.
Posted by emile duBois at 08/26/2009 @ 09:00am
Posted by Thrawn at 08/26/2009 @ 08:42am
On the Israeli Lobby and its power, let's hear from two Americans who are not necessarily Anti-Semite or Anti-Israel:
"I've never seen a President -- I don't care who he is -- stand up to them [the Israelis]. It just boggles the mind. They always get what they want. The Israelis know what is going on all the time. I got to the point where I wasn't writing anything down. If the American people understood what a grip those people have got on our government, they would rise up in arms. Our citizens certainly don't have any idea what goes on." --Admiral Thomas Moorer, former chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff (quoted in: They Dare to Speak Out: People and Institutions Confront Israel's Lobby by Paul Findley, former Illinois congressman)
The Zionists' Ass-kisser Newt Gingrich called AIPAC "the most effective general-interest group [on] the entire planet".
When Herzl was talking grandly in 1895 in the privacy of his diary about "our own country," Jews were hardly one-twentieth of the population of Palestine. When Britain's Balfour Declaration promising a Jewish state in Palestine was issued in November 1917, there still were only an estimated 55,000 Jews among another 670,000 Muslim and Christian Palestinians. Massive ethnic cleansing of Palestinians took place between 1917 and 1948 by three Zionist terror groups; the Haganah, the Stern Gang and the Irgun. Palestinian villages were ransacked and thousands of Palestinians were murdered in cold blood to terrify Palestinians to flee their homes. 750,000 to 800,000 Palestinians were not permitted by Israel to return to their homes after its creation in 1948. How should the Palestinians feel about this injustice?
Posted by CripThink at 08/26/2009 @ 09:08am
If a North Korean or Iranian dissident published such a report and was subject to the same government/institutional crackdown, he would be called a hero by the mainstream Western press.
Posted by thefullaunty at 08/26/2009 @ 09:10am
Recent article in a Swedish paper presented chilling details of plucking of body parts from murdered Palestinians in the occupied territories by Israeli soldiers. The stolen body parts were most likely smuggled to the thriving body parts black market in Israel. Group of Jewish Rabies have been arrested recently participating and profiting from this immoral body parts trade; not even the Nazis have gone to this level of savagery.
Posted by CripThink at 08/25/2009 @ 06:54am | ignore this person | warn this person
Yes - European press is getting after this story.
Way I understand it is is that Israel claims the right to autopsy (take body parts) unless a person files papers in advance of death stating specifically that they object to autopsy. Palestinians, naturally, have little access to the Israel's legal system.
Posted by OneVote at 08/26/2009 @ 09:16am
Posted by OneVote at 08/26/2009 @ 09:16am
And the heist goes on… Godly ordained destiny inflicted on the Palestinians by his chosen people.
Posted by CripThink at 08/26/2009 @ 09:23am
Posted by CripThink at 08/26/2009 @ 09:23am | ignore this person | warn this person
And, this has been going on for years.
Outrageous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by OneVote at 08/26/2009 @ 09:30am
Posted by emile duBois at 08/26/2009 @ 08:01am
Indeed, you are perceptive. Stalin (the "Man of Steel") was definitely the "Iron Hand" of international socialism.
Posted by Mistral at 08/26/2009 @ 09:40am
Posted by CripThink at 08/26/2009 @ 09:08am
Does Hamas pay you to infiltrate US websites with your anti-semitic hate?
Posted by antisocialist at 08/26/2009 @ 10:38am
"Does Hamas pay you to infiltrate US websites with your anti-semitic hate?"----Posted by antisocialist at 08/26/2009 @ 10:38am
So does that mean AIPAC pays you, Larry????
Posted by Mask at 08/26/2009 @ 11:25am
Here is a Youtube from the heroic Swedish author Donald Bostrom: It is shocking because he states emphatically that it was the UN as far back as 1992 which urged Sweden to investigate the reports of Israel murdering young Palestinian men and stealing their organs. He states that he is proud of being a citizen of Sweden which is a true democracy, unlike Israel where the goverment censors the truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZdI0JQlHaQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZxyD931dEQ
Cripthink, you are on the money 1000%. Not even the Nazis stooped that low (although the Jew Stalin did something similar when he exhumed and planted false dates on postcards in the pockets of the Polish officers he murdered at Katyn in order to blame the Nazis for their deaths) Israel is out of control. It is beyond barbarism and butchery. How DARE the Zionists use MY Judaism to perform such savage atrocities? http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=430 It behooves people of conscience to tell the world what is going on. The biggest cause of antisemitism is Zionism itself.
Posted by mystic7 at 08/26/2009 @ 1:02pm
Posted by mystic7 at 08/26/2009 @ 1:02pm
Thank you mystic7, decency has no religion or borders. You make me proud of calling you my brother in humanity. Just be careful, you will be called names because you speak the truth. You can't be Anti-Semite, but maybe a self-hating Jew is what they will be throwing at you.
Posted by CripThink at 08/26/2009 @ 1:56pm
Does Hamas pay you to infiltrate US websites with your anti-semitic hate?
Posted by antisocialist at 08/26/2009 @ 10:38am
Anti Social Rasputin,
The story goes that one of your idol, the late Jerry Falwell, used to fly on a private Jet donated to him by the government of Israel. It is the Israelis who usually expropriate our tax dollars, then use small part of it to pay their agents and propagandists, like you fool, to spread the Israeli misinformation.
One shouldn't expect financial gain when exposing Israel's criminal deeds; it is a moral imperative. But for a fellow like you, who pretends affinity to God, lying for Israel is an indictment and a stain of dirt on your black robe.
The Israelis are merely using you, idiot, to get where they want and then you will be thrown to the beasts. You bust your butt helping them to build the Temple, but you will never be allowed to live there. Your Biblical fairytales are for the weak-minded fools, so lower your expectation black robe, the only Rapture so far is the one inside your small brain.
Posted by CripThink at 08/26/2009 @ 2:11pm
So does that mean AIPAC pays you, Larry????
Posted by Mask at 08/26/2009 @ 11:25am
I only wish they did.
Posted by antisocialist at 08/26/2009 @ 2:18pm
Cripthink, you are on the money 1000%. Not even the Nazis stooped that low (although the Jew Stalin did something similar when he exhumed and planted false dates on postcards in the pockets of the Polish officers he murdered at Katyn in order to blame the Nazis for their deaths) Israel is out of control. It is beyond barbarism and butchery. How DARE the Zionists use MY Judaism to perform such savage atrocities? http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=430 It behooves people of conscience to tell the world what is going on. The biggest cause of antisemitism is Zionism itself.
Posted by mystic7 at 08/26/2009 @ 1:02pm
Thank you mystic7, decency has no religion or borders. You make me proud of calling you my brother in humanity. Just be careful, you will be called names because you speak the truth. You can't be Anti-Semite, but maybe a self-hating Jew is what they will be throwing at you.
Posted by CripThink at 08/26/2009 @ 1:56pm
Just be honest Cripthink and admit that you join your brothers in Hamas in desiring that all Jews be pushed into the sea and that Palestine be eternally under Islamic control
And Mystic, how do you live with yourself as a self-hating Jew? The Jews have always had those in their midst who would betray them for a dollar. But you seem to find particular pleasure in doing so for free.
Posted by antisocialist at 08/26/2009 @ 2:22pm
Posted by CripThink at 08/26/2009 @ 2:11pm
I have no plans to live at or near the Temple in Jerusalem.
As I've said, why don't you show us what a great supporter of Hamas you are and go blow yourself up.
Posted by antisocialist at 08/26/2009 @ 2:24pm
If being a Jew means incinerating babies with white phosphoirus or killing young men to harvest their organs for profit, I am proud to be called an antisemite or a selfhating Jew. Words. My conscience is clear. I know what evil is. Calling me names doesn't eradicate their evil.
I was born and raised a conservative Jew and matriculated in Hebrew at a Jewish day school in Johannesburg,where there were more Zionists per capita than in America. I laid tfillin every day. Judaism, true Judaism, not the Judaism of the rubbishy Talmud, is NOT Zionism, and Jews all over the world have to pay for the barbaric misconduct of a nation of thugs? I spit on them because they hide behind the cloak of Judaism. They have me ashamed to be a Jew.They are the scum of the earth and thank God for Sweden which is not intimidated like most other countries.
Two great great men who were/are not intimidated by Israel either are Mandela and Bishop Tutu, both of South Africa. Speaking of America's use of the atomic bomb and its invasion of Iraq, Mandela said "But what we know is that Israel (also) has weapons of mass destruction. Nobody mentions that," he said.And Tutu is also a truly great human being and has always spoken out for the besieged Palestinians. Those two great men are beacons of truth and faith in God.I stand with my chin high and salute these men and a great nation like Sweden, which has refused to apologise to Netanyahu and his fellow butchers.
Posted by mystic7 at 08/26/2009 @ 2:24pm
As I've said, why don't you show us what a great supporter of Hamas you are and go blow yourself up.
Posted by antisocialist at 08/26/2009 @ 2:24pm
Are you kidding me black robe; a thug like you is not worth the powder?
Posted by CripThink at 08/26/2009 @ 2:39pm
If being a Jew means incinerating babies with white phosphoirus or killing young men to harvest their organs for profit, I am proud to be called an antisemite or a selfhating Jew. Words. My conscience is clear. I know what evil is. Calling me names doesn't eradicate their evil.
Posted by mystic7 at 08/26/2009 @ 2:24pm
Don't even attempt to say that you are a Jew and yet spout those lies of the jihadists.
Repeating the lies of those who wish to see every Jew (including you) dead, hardly shows that you know what evil is. Quite the contrary. It reveals you as a fool.
Posted by antisocialist at 08/26/2009 @ 2:53pm
Are you kidding me black robe; a thug like you is not worth the powder?
Posted by CripThink at 08/26/2009 @ 2:39pm
Don't do it for me, do it for Jihad. Do it for Mohammed. Do it for Islam.
Posted by antisocialist at 08/26/2009 @ 2:54pm
"The Israelis are merely using you, idiot, to get where they want and then you will be thrown to the beasts" (Cripthink) Cripthink, it pacifies me to know there are some "mensches" like you out there. A "mensch" is a decent human being.
Here is a quote from Netanyahu: "Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away." - Benjamin Netanyahu. You are so right,Cripthink, but the sheeple just don't get it.
Posted by mystic7 at 08/26/2009 @ 3:10pm
"And Mystic, how do you live with yourself as a self-hating Jew? The Jews have always had those in their midst who would betray them for a dollar...@
Posted by antisocialist at 08/26/2009 @ 2:22pm
Yep. It sure seems cripthink and mystic are the anti-semites. Your stereotypes on the other hand, reveal none of your x-tian superiority. Do they?
Posted by Malcontent at 08/26/2009 @ 3:15pm
Does it surprise anyone to know that Israel arms and supports Mugabe, Zimbabwe's vile and bloodiest dictator? Also Columbia, El Salvador, Guatamala?
The Savak, the Iranian secret police under the Shah, was trained in torture by the Mossad.
Of course we the US have a similar history of support of dictators. Birds of a feather.
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2008/04/11/israel-loves-mugabe/
Posted by mystic7 at 08/26/2009 @ 3:21pm
"Yep. It sure seems cripthink and mystic are the anti-semites"
I love being called an antisemite,and I am proud to be a self-hating Jew, if that is what it takes to slaughter babies and innocent young men for profit, I proudly claim I LOVE BEING AN ANTISEMITE!!! So now what big boy? See, the bullies like the Israeli Nazis win were it not for the brave men like Mandela, Tutu and Swedish reporters like Bostrom.
Posted by mystic7 at 08/26/2009 @ 3:28pm
"Yep. It sure seems cripthink and mystic are the anti-semites"
I love being called an antisemite,and I am proud to be a self-hating Jew, if that is what it takes to slaughter babies and innocent young men for profit, I proudly claim I LOVE BEING AN ANTISEMITE!!! So now what big boy? See, the bullies like the Israeli Nazis win were it not for the brave men like Mandela, Tutu and Swedish reporters like Bostrom.
Posted by mystic7 at 08/26/2009 @ 3:28pm
You call yourself a Jew and yet you repeat the jihadist lies that Jews are slaughtering babies and selling body organs for profit.
G-d has a special place in Gai Ben-Hinnom for people like you.
Posted by antisocialist at 08/26/2009 @ 3:59pm
G-d has a special place in Gai Ben-Hinnom for people like you.
Posted by antisocialist at 08/26/2009 @ 3:59pm
Anti Social,
An arrogant jerk like even has the audacity to speak for God and tell him how to punish people according to your sinister mind. People like you are grave danger to humanity and should be held, tightly chained to their beds, in mental institutions.
We have just dumped a deranged president, who like you, claimed to have a direct hot line to God, and look what happened to our country. It is either that God is a lousy economist and very bad General or he was a bold liar.
Imagine what kind of world we would be living in if God was really on your side.
Posted by CripThink at 08/26/2009 @ 6:25pm
Posted by mystic7 at 08/26/2009 @ 3:28pm
Thst was sarcasm, directed at Anti/liberty, BTW.
"The Jews have always had those in their midst who would betray them for a dollar..." - antiliberty
Posted by Malcontent at 08/26/2009 @ 8:37pm
>>> Mention boycott in a discussion of Israel" says Roane Carey, "and chances are you'll find yourself the butt of vicious attacks."<<
Listen to this chicken-hearted fake.
To boycott is to outlaw, to ostracize, stifle, exclude and eliminate from the circle of commerce, nourishment, discourse, life. In ancient times such exclusion of wrong doers, by neighbors turning their backs, was a death sentence.
When in 1948 the six invading Arab armies failed to expunge newborn Israel, the Muslim world resorted to a boycott, to punish the insolent "entity" for daring to fight back and to prevail.
This time Carey and his boycott friends, want to punish the insolent Israelis for ending a shower of 8000 rockets fired into their villages. That Hamas is robbed of that past-time and now thinks twice before tormenting Israel, infuriates Carey.
Not only does he feel entitled to support the murderous Hamas, whose glory days saw crowded city buses explode, he think it is unfair to be denounced for a boycott that supports genocidal killers. He is indignant at being deemed an Islamic fascists collaborator.
But of course that is what he and his disgusting friends are. That many of these scurrilous creatures are Jews changes nothing.
In the early 20th century a segment of Vienna's assimilated Jews, intellectuals, disgusted by the impression their pious brethren made on the Viennese, reviled them as bitterly as the worst anti-Semites. Many converted, but one group argued that conversion was not the solution, Jews were too disgusting in their essence, and suicide was the only solution. The gifted neurotic and homosexual, Otto Weininger was one who took that route.
This same self hatred drives many Jews today.
Posted by Hugo_Pirovano at 08/26/2009 @ 9:09pm
<i>Posted by antisocialist at 08/26/2009 @ 3:59pm </i>
Are all the charges against the New Jersey rabbis false, then?
Personally, I see no evidence that they're part of some broader conspiracy; it seems to me like it's just some people who decided to make money off a market that invites it. It's hideously wrong, but I don't see any plausible link to Israeli government policy or to Jews in general.
Posted by Thrawn at 08/26/2009 @ 10:20pm
STENCIL YOUR ORGANS WITH RADIO-OPAQUE DYE! Like LOJAC for your liver! Inquire about franchises...
Posted by A_Pax_On_Your_Houses at 08/26/2009 @ 10:33pm
Something tells me that a boycott of Israel is assured of the same success that the leftist boycott of GLEN BECK is! His ratings are going through the roof! Fox is up 11% overall! And, all the companies the left has LIED about backing a boycott are sounding off since they don't want a reverse boycott hitting them as has been indicated taking place!
I say go for it fools and see what you get!
Posted by BigPasture at 08/26/2009 @ 11:15pm
bigpasture-Boycotts are usually ineffective since so few people pay that much attention to them.
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/26/2009 @ 11:39pm
As a MUSLIM, I am greatfull to you for publishing the article entitled 'bycott Israel". Now please work on the words "semitic/ anti-semitic".To my understanding, the semitic tribes were in eastern Mediterraneon. These tribes were not from Eastern Europe or Russia. The Semaatic tribes were dark skinned and blaack or dark brown eyes. Iknow that white actors played Moses and Christ in the movies. History should not be based on Movies. The white Jews are called Khazars. They are nodt Semadstic peoples.
Your response will mean a lot to me.Could you kindly tell me your views/ comments on what I am saying here? Will the response be published in your good paper?
Best regards.
asharf
Posted by asharf at 08/27/2009 @ 01:06am
As a MUSLIM, I am greatfull to you for publishing the article entitled 'bycott Israel". Now please work on the words "semitic/ anti-semitic".To my understanding, the semitic tribes were in eastern Mediterraneon. These tribes were not from Eastern Europe or Russia. The Semaatic tribes were dark skinned and blaack or dark brown eyes. Iknow that white actors played Moses and Christ in the movies. History should not be based on Movies. The white Jews are called Khazars. They are nodt Semadstic peoples.
Your response will mean a lot to me.Could you kindly tell me your views/ comments on what I am saying here? Will the response be published in your good paper?
Best regards.
asharf
Posted by asharf at 08/27/2009 @ 01:06am
I believe that BGU--and Israel itself--should continue doing EXACTLY what they have been doing.
Posted by Adam_Kirur at 08/27/2009 @ 09:16am
Are all the charges against the New Jersey rabbis false, then?
Personally, I see no evidence that they're part of some broader conspiracy; it seems to me like it's just some people who decided to make money off a market that invites it. It's hideously wrong, but I don't see any plausible link to Israeli government policy or to Jews in general.
Posted by Thrawn at 08/26/2009 @ 10:20pm
No, I was addressing as you seem to be, the insidious charge that this was a Jewish organized effort and to link it to Israel.
Posted by antisocialist at 08/27/2009 @ 1:17pm
"I don't see any plausible link to Israeli government policy or to Jews in general" (Thrawn"
Thrawn, your'e dead wrong. Here's two videos of the courageous Swedish author Donald Bostrom of the articles, saying that this has been going no since 1992, when the UN asked him to investigate rumors that the Israeli government was killing young Palestinian men in order to steal their organs and sell them for profit; Thank God for the great unintimidated nation of Sweden, which has refused to apologise to the organ butcher Netanyahu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZxyD931dEQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZdI0JQlHaQ
I have many more articles and gruesome photographs to back this up...just say the word.
Posted by mystic at 08/27/2009 @ 11:23pm
Posted by Adam_Kirur at 08/27/2009 @ 09:16am | ignore this person | warn this person
how is this working out?
Posted by emile duBois at 08/28/2009 @ 11:10am