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RedditIn tonight's interview with Charlie Gibson on ABC, Sarah Palin seemed alarmingly ignorant of what the Bush doctrine is, much less capable of defending it. Gibson asks her: "Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?"
After an uncomfortably long moment of silence, which should have viewers conjuring Dan Quayle's potatoe, Palin asks, "In what respect Charlie?"
Gibson responds, "The Bush--well, what do you interpret it to be?"
Palin answers, "His world view."
Gibson presses the point, "No, the Bush Doctrine, enunciated in September 2002, before the Iraq war," after which Palin talks about Bush's quest to rid the world of Islamic extremism before pivoting to the virtues of democracy and the need for change.
Sensing a weak moment, Gibson proceeds to describe the Bush doctrine as "that we have the right to anticipatory self-defense; that we have the right to a preemptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us. Do you agree with that?"
Palin's response: "I agree that a President's job, when they swear in their oath to uphold the Constitution, their top priority is to defend the United States of America..."
Gibson keeps at it: "Do we have a right to anticipatory self defense? Do we have a right to make a preemptive strike against another country if we feel that country might strike us?"
Palin: "Charlie, if there is legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country."
Palin's response has much of the liberal blogosphere and even the mainstream media on high alert, and perhaps rightly so. It certainly demonstrates her non-existent command of national security lingo, and indeed, as blogger Hilzoy documents, Palin confused preventive and preemptive war, stating in fact the doctrine of preemptive war (which is not the neo-con doctrine that prevents war through preemption; confusing I know!)
That said, I worry the peanut gallery is misreading the Bush doctrine and Palin's ignorant response to Gibson. The central fact is that coherence, clarity and rationality were not, in fact, what sold the Bush doctrine in the first place. I don't mean to the PNAC crowd or the national security establishment that included Condi, Colin and most of Congress. I mean to the press and public. They were won by lies, dissemblance and the entirely emotional appeal to USA FIRST at all costs--that and the costs of treading against it.
So, even if Palin looked like a moose in headlights, even if she eventually confused preventive and preemptive war--it might not matter. Palin ultimately hit the right emotional notes--the same rah-rah points that secured the Bush doctrine in the first place. 1) Islam=evil; 2) Defend the country at all costs. Duty before actual security; 3) the President is right and has to be trusted and supported.
I'm not suggesting that Palin's blinking response was some kind of canny, planned strategery--but on a gut level, when pressed and vulnerable, she intuitively echoed the Bush doctrine's original appeal--even if she could not articulate it's rationale much less defend it. Put another way, I'm not sure Bush could have succinctly defined the Bush doctrine--it didn't matter; that's not what was crucial to its success.
Whether Palin's response matters NOW is not dependent on her ignorance of it, her ability to state or defend it, but rather if enough of the country has moved past the enabling myths it told. I am just not sure we are there yet, or if Obama has enough of a compelling story to get us there.
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Posted by dexter666 at 09/11/2008 @ 11:37pm
she an inexperienced nut job who has no business on a national ticket .. it a dog and pony show (or is that moose and pig, or maybe "moose and squirrel")
Posted by leftofcenter at 09/11/2008 @ 11:42pm
see the obedient drones defend their brainless twit .... she won't have to skin a moose in DC, so what good is she?
Posted by leftofcenter at 09/12/2008 @ 12:01am
Hmmmmm, I wonder how Magic would answer this one....sure to come up in one of the debates!
Posted by SoHAPPY at 09/11/2008 @ 11:44pm
Hmmmmm, was that the question that Gibson asked?
In what way was there evidence that a threat was imminent from Iraq? That idea has been soundly refuted.
Do we have the right to invade a country so as to strategically position ourselves in a resource-rich region, and in the process confiscate the country's every last resource, and let our homies in the war biz profit from the conflict BIG TIME?
Palin?
Posted by FcukReagan at 09/12/2008 @ 12:09am
Posted by Zero at 09/12/2008 @ 12:01am
Word.
Posted by FcukReagan at 09/12/2008 @ 12:12am
RE: Palin ....
Why's that Obama's obsessive pursuance of Gov. Palin. Is the man trying to hide something? For instance, his inexperience? his muslim roots?
Posted by HelenDAO at 09/12/2008 @ 12:14am | ignore this person | warn this person
what are you, a liar or an idiot?
Posted by dexter666 at 09/12/2008 @ 12:18am
what a stupid fucking country.
i give up.
maybe i'll come back in november.
gonna miss you guys.
but that's it.
what a bunch of morons.
not you, ibbs and left and mask and winyahn and bench and sloper and bkool and srj and jor and darla and loki and crabs and jr and skeletor and ccccccccc and brunowe and wolf and onthehelm and i'm and madlib and eric and zero and jako and crazymett and sorelish and drhammer and k330k and the rest.
i trust you guys will save the world from the menace of stupidity.
see ya.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/12/2008 @ 12:23am
Posted by HelenDAO at 09/12/2008 @ 12:14am
Some say he's Palin in comparison....
Others say he's just Biden his time.
Posted by FcukReagan at 09/12/2008 @ 12:24am
Posted by SoHAPPY at 09/12/2008 @ 12:19am | ignore this person | warn this person
yeah - i hope and pray you are safe you old rightwing politically retarded bullshitting windbag.
i sat out hugo years ago - only fun if yer not afraid of dying...lol...them empty beer cans flew several hundred yards when i threw them up at the sky and cursed my maker...
he must like me despite my wickedness...or perhaps its the other guy...lol...
he's a LOT more powerful in THIS world, after all...
har har!
Posted by dexter666 at 09/12/2008 @ 12:26am
The good thing about hurricanes...
Is all the MONEY to be made in the aftermath! And it's a great time to pick up some cheap land with the pesky poor having their hands full!
Posted by FcukReagan at 09/12/2008 @ 12:34am
Posted by SoHAPPY at 09/12/2008 @ 12:39am
Don't forget his poor judgment in opposing the invasion/occupation! Don't let him slide on that one either! EVERYONE knows Saddam was just about to pull another 9/11, emboldened by his success with the first one.
Posted by FcukReagan at 09/12/2008 @ 12:48am
Wow, I am not engaging in hyperbole when I say this was absolutely the weakest apologia I have ever encountered. Still, much better than I could have done for Biden in a similar situation. I would have just rolled over dead. I do give her points for quick thinking efforts to cover her ignorance.
Has this woman been in a coma for the last 6 years? This gal is just about as curious about the world as Bush II. I thought I was sadly ignorant about foreign affairs but now I feel like a foreign policy genius for even having heard of the "Bush Doctrine."
Posted by SarahSarah at 09/12/2008 @ 12:49am
ZZZzzz.....:~))
Posted by SoHAPPY at 09/12/2008 @ 12:40am | ignore this person | warn this person
i wish!
suck down a 12 pack and enjoy the ride. or just pass out and miss the best part...
Posted by dexter666 at 09/12/2008 @ 12:52am
i give up.
maybe i'll come back in november.
gonna miss you guys.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/12/2008 @ 12:23am
I wish to STRENUOUSLY urge you to reconsider!
please.
Place the irritants on ignore if need be.
please.
HAPPY, you are on my s**t list!
Posted by Benchrest at 09/12/2008 @ 12:53am
strange, but in those parts of my life when i've been in the most peril i have been the least afraid. its the safe, quiet, contempletive times that scared me...
go figger.
Posted by dexter666 at 09/12/2008 @ 12:56am
I can't recall the exact title, but there once was a Presidential Daily Briefing that indicated that Osama Bin Laden was determined to attack the United States. The POTUS at the time chose to ignore that warning because it didn't originate from his handler. A McCain/Palin ticket would be just as loathe to heed a warning that didn't come directly from Rove and K Street. The previous Republican administration ignored the real intel before the attack, but acted quickly on the intel they made up. Since it's clear that the McCain/Palin 'dummy' is being controlled by the same puppet-masters that are pulling the strings on the current puppet-in-chief, there is no reason to believe that this pair would do things any differently than what we have today. Don't believe me, compare the rhetoric of the Bush acceptance speech in 2000 and the McCain speech in 2008. At a minimum they were written by the same guy, or possibly someone who reviewed that speech before writing this one. I certainly hope that someone, the press perhaps, can get the campaign talking about the issues again. I for one have had enough of the nonsense. I don't want to talk about pigs, lipstick, community organizers, pastors, pregnant teens, or any thing else that isn't likely to be an issue debated on the floor of the House or Senate next year. Our inability to concentrate on the issues that affect us all is nothing more than another symptom of our broken political system. I have watched these comments for the last several days and have noticed that there isn't a lot of thought put in to some of the posts here. I'm disappointed by the fact that so many here seem to believe that an ad hominem attack actually passes for 'debate'. I prefer to see people present facts and develop logical arguments based on those facts.
Posted by TheThinker at 09/12/2008 @ 01:02am
Posted by TheThinker at 09/12/2008 @ 01:02am
Thank you.
Posted by FcukReagan at 09/12/2008 @ 01:11am
FZ .. your wit will be missed. C'mon back in anytime
Posted by leftofcenter at 09/12/2008 @ 01:18am
OF course, if a POTUS believes a threat is imminent, he/she must do everything....EVERYTHING!
Posted by SoHAPPY at 09/11/2008 @ 11:44pm
Including, if deemed necessary, drafting you to fight said war(s), Happy? Putting you in uniform? Sending you off to be cannon fodder for empire? Are those things included, Happy?
Posted by jmusolino at 09/12/2008 @ 02:06am
Zoomless.
(sigh)
Posted by Malcontent at 09/12/2008 @ 02:10am
Obama & Biden better shake themselves awake right now & get out there with a compelling, fighting message.
Don't wait for the 1st debate.
People will start early-voting very soon.
Fight. Now.
Posted by sloper at 09/12/2008 @ 03:44am
Don't wait for the 1st debate.
People will start early-voting very soon.
Fight. Now.
Posted by sloper at 09/12/2008 @ 03:44am
This devastating analysis of Obama and his candidacy, if not already the perception of those moving to the GOP team may soon become the most damaging critique that could be applied to him by the GOP strategists. It would mesh perfectly with the Palin community organiser jibe in the public's perception.
http://tinyurl.com/3fvbkh
Posted by lrjones4 at 09/12/2008 @ 05:10am
Palin tells us the Iraq war & the Alaska pipeline are God's plan.
Can she tell us what God's plan is for this election?
If yet another victory for GOP criminals, then ...
"We must leave Austria tonight." Baron von Trapp
Posted by sloper at 09/12/2008 @ 05:36am
Well, which part of the Bush Doctrine was he talking about? It is about more than preemptive war if you would take any time to research it instead of just slamming Palin. Palin faced more questions about foreign policy last night than Obama has faced from the press in the last 19 months. Palin has the executive experience that Obama lacks and I like the fact that she doesn't blink in the face of tough decisions. Mock her all you want, but she has more guts and conviction than Obama could hope to have. Oh and she and McCain are going to win in November - won't even be close.
Posted by Joanne600 at 09/12/2008 @ 05:54am
Right Wing SOP...
"No specific defense of Palin or talking point from Rush, Sean, Glenn Beck?"
"Say 'nuh-huh' and change subject to Obama somehow"
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/12/2008 @ 07:18am
Whatever her failings in terms of knowledge and experience, I'd be confident that she could and would bring herself up to snuff very quickly:
She's just that type.
And as far as lack of familiarity with Bush Doctrine:
This is a bad thing?
Yes, she's inexperienced, although I suspect she could have read the Declaration of Independence backward and in Mongolian AND named every signatory at the bottom and Richard Kim still would have found serious fault.
He's just that type
Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 09/12/2008 @ 07:26am
From the recent BBC interview with General Petraeus (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7610405.stm):
"Overall he summed up the situation as "still hard but hopeful", saying that progress in Iraq was "a bit more durable" but that the situation there remained fragile.
He said he did not know that he would ever use the word "victory": "This is not the sort of struggle where you take a hill, plant the flag and go home to a victory parade... it's not war with a simple slogan.""
Have a nice day, nutters.
Posted by drhammer at 09/12/2008 @ 07:32am
Posted by dexter666 at 09/12/2008 @ 12:18am
"what are you, a liar or an idiot?"
Ah, the usual last resort of the leftist. When their idiocy is exposed, then you know it's time for insults, profanity, and threats of jail. You folks sure are entertaining.
Posted by pontificus at 09/12/2008 @ 07:59am
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/12/2008 @ 12:23am
Don't be a dick.
That kind of outcome is the very raison d'etre of our contributors from under the bridge.
And while none of this motley assortment of faux Christians, self-absorbed boot-strappers, and CAPSLOCKed douchebags could annoy me into spending recess in homeroom, I could see taking a long enough leave of absence to come up there and bust you upside your head, if that's what it takes.
It's gonna get worse before it gets better, I gaa-ron-tee.
(But it's gonna be more fun than a barrel of ebola-infected, feces-hurling monkeys.)
Peace
Posted by drhammer at 09/12/2008 @ 07:59am
Posted by FcukReagan at 09/12/2008 @ 12:09am
Wow, that sure is a clever nickname. Does your mother know you're on the internet?
"In what way was there evidence that a threat was imminent from Iraq? That idea has been soundly refuted."
Gee, I guess you should tell that to the majority of the Democratic Party leadership that voted for the war then.
"Do we have the right to invade a country so as to strategically position ourselves in a resource-rich region, and in the process confiscate the country's every last resource, and let our homies in the war biz profit from the conflict BIG TIME?"
Wow, you mean we confiscated Iraq? Where's my share? Do the Iraqis know about this? When do we invade Saudi Arabia and the rest of the middle east?
Seriously, where do you guys get programmed with this stuff? Mother Jones? UCLA? Sheesh.
Posted by pontificus at 09/12/2008 @ 08:02am
Uh, oh, B. Hussein Obama/Slow Joe Biden ticket sinking fast! Serious down-ticket repercussions showing up! Quick! Do something! Call Americans stupid! Tell everyone you're going to jail Republicans when you get into office! That's the ticket! Oh no, you've already done that. What to do!
"September 12, 2008 Battle for Congress Suddenly Looks Competitive Democrats' double-digit lead on the "generic ballot" slips to 3 points
by Lydia Saad
PRINCETON, NJ -- A potential shift in fortunes for the Republicans in Congress is seen in the latest USA Today/Gallup survey, with the Democrats now leading the Republicans by just 3 percentage points, 48% to 45%, in voters' "generic ballot" preferences for Congress. This is down from consistent double-digit Democratic leads seen on this measure over the past year."
Posted by pontificus at 09/12/2008 @ 08:08am
Sarah Palin: The New WMD: Woman of Mass Deception
Posted by diogenesparis at 09/12/2008 @ 08:14am
I actually feel sorry for her. Three times, the interviewer asked her to make sense of a Bush policy. Is that even possible?
Posted by MyParadigm at 09/12/2008 @ 08:15am
Posted by MyParadigm at 09/12/2008 @ 08:15am
You do know that the more you folks focus on Palin, the worse it will get for you, right?
Posted by pontificus at 09/12/2008 @ 08:18am
Posted by diogenesparis at 09/12/2008 @ 08:14am
"Sarah Palin: The New WMD: Woman of Mass Deception"
There, there. Yes, they're all liars, dear. All those mean people that disagree with you.
Posted by pontificus at 09/12/2008 @ 08:22am
John McCain let his new handlers chose a total nutcase for his running mate! They knew she was totally clueless, but that did not matter to the GOP junk yard attack dogs because they knew America was also clueless, and one plus one was still zero in the political game! Just make her out to be the next wonder woman for TV land, and they can continue to spin these two misfits right into the oval office. The average American voter is clueless and only relies on American Idol for guidance! The average voter is very much afraid of intelligent thoughtful people, and that's exactly why Obama has no real chance of winning the election. They feel much more comfortable with nitwits like Little Johnny McCain and Lady Tundra telling them what to do and how to vote!
Posted by widollar at 09/12/2008 @ 08:28am
Putting her within a heartbeat of the Prez is dangerous beyond words. She is an empty vessel ready to be filled up with whatever feeds her own biases.
Posted by ultvio at 09/12/2008 @ 08:39am
The same day McC showed that he is another mispeaker, misthinker, and goes nowhere without the blond. What if Barry did that at all appearances???? McC will make Bush's press conferences seem like civics lessons.
Posted by ultvio at 09/12/2008 @ 08:42am
Posted by pontificus at 09/12/2008 @ 08:08am
Wait a minute, PONTI, you remember?
You already predicted the Repubs WON'T re-take Congress!
And to paraphrase Richard Mulligan in "Little Big Man", "One poll's not worth reversing a PONTIFICUS prediction!"
LOL
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/12/2008 @ 08:54am
Posted by ultvio at 09/12/2008 @ 08:39am
Actually that brings up a point some forget.
Part of the reason that Palin is always at McCain's side and not out "solo'ing" is fear she can't handle it...
but the other part is that McCain NEEDS her by his side. A Zogby poll showed that 79% of Repubs thought McCain's acceptance speech "unified the Party"...but that 94%!!!!! thought Palin's speech did.
McCain needs Palin by his side as much as she needs to be by his side....to keep confincing the Base....even imply a subtle "Sarah will keep McCain from drifting to the Center" (which she won't, if that's where he decides to go!).
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/12/2008 @ 08:58am
Sorry, spell-check
"convincing"
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/12/2008 @ 08:58am
You don't understand. Of course it doesn't matter. It's not the text (perlocutionary force) of her discourse, it's the token (her saying it- the illocutionary force (John Austin)). All text is pre-text: excuse for getting the token dis-splayed (pardon me) for later predications. ABC news is devoting 2 days to rehashing her foreign policy debut on Charles Gibson's gig, google says. And we are looking at it.
as for lipstick pigskin parade, I am going to include a short blog exchange from elsewhere. Attention had been called to the fact that this childhood fantasy meme ("this little piggy.." --pinch Big toe...) entered the political arena in Lebanon*: *****"Yes.. Va...! didn't catch it, but am constructing a "Freudian Free Association" kit for Palin as a planted "Freudian Slip" (Trojan Horse). I now think a 2Face campaign advisor of Obama slipped this lipstick (pit-bull => amimal => dog => PIG => MISS PIGGY =>) into his stump speech in "Lebanon" in order to set up the entire unconsc. assoc. loop gimmick..
The big parallel actual event is her TV interview with vampire Charles Gibson
MSM excerpts:
1. Her mantras on Russia, Georgia-NATO => "will defend it against Putin" (subtext extracted by the vampire). 2. -backing Bush's expansion of war in Afghanistan into Pakistan (first official/unofficial public announcement of policy reported from anonymous sources in the Times) (tacitly) 3. lining up PR threads for coherent US-Israeli policy toward Iran, Lebanon*, Hezbollah, Hamas, Palestinians.
So we have lipstick titilation run through Miss Piggy, the Muppet, out of whose mouth issues (females were traditionally excluded from male assemblies during menses) the flames of neocon scripted foreign policy.
Posted by jones at 09/12/2008 @ 09:01am
Posted by jones at 09/12/2008 @ 09:01am
I'm sorry...could you reduce the Stream of Consciousness Factor by about 40% and the random symbology and weird-ass punctuation by about 25%?
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/12/2008 @ 09:13am
Today, on PBS 10am, the Diane Rehm show PBS will review the Palin interview. This should be interesting. On a recent show, a caller described the American electorate as stupid, and Diane admonished him for it. I agreed with the called. The question now is the same: does "enough of the country" have enough intelligence to understand and counter "the enabling myths" that permit the neocon and neoliberal strategies to rape the nation and undermine the Republic? My understanding of American history is that NO, the electorate does not. This process may take another 20 years. Consequently, no matter what story Obama weaves, his story may not be enough to stem the tide nor overcome the core belief that underlies the oft-mentioned "American values" in this election, which is "white male supremacy."
By the way, Diane's guests today are:
Stephen Hayes, "The Weekly Standard," author of "Cheney - The Untold Story of America's Most Powerful and Controversial Vice President"
Jeanne Cummings, reporter, "The Politico"
David Corn, Washington bureau chief, "Mother Jones" magazine; author of several books, most recently, "Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War." He blogs at David Corn.com
Posted by afrothetics at 09/12/2008 @ 09:15am
Kudos to whoever first used the word twit. But last night she proved showed be even more than an ignorant, rightwing screwball, she's a dangerous ignorant rightwing screwball. For 63 years avoidance of a hot war with Russia has been preeminate policy; to even mention it shows how dangerous it would be to have this twit a heartbeat away. Does she have any concept of how many millions could die in such a conflict? Over Georgia?
Nice that the twits at CNN in today's headlines don't even mention this aspect of her ignorance, but list as a headine that she thinks "sanctions may be needed". Wow, talk about putting lipstick on a pig.
Posted by JazzyJake at 09/12/2008 @ 09:19am
So apparently somebody else saw this first unscripted interview with palin? they showed it again on GMA and probably will over and over and over until it sinks in...
Palin still connects al qaeda with iraq and thinks iraq is responsible for 911; she was exempted yesterday, is she still off-limits today??
whatever happened to HRC attack machine she employed against Obama in the primaries???
Irregardless, vice-versily, it is ironical but not laffable that too days ago palin was touted by cindy mccain as having experience because "she is governor of alaska"
it reminds me of the adam sandler movie billie madison where he gives a very stupid response to some question in order to graduate from elementary school? and the interviewer at the end says something to the effect that "that was the stupidest thing I have ever heard and we are all that much more ignorant for having heard it"
but that was a movie, this is real-life!
Posted by jrs112 at 09/12/2008 @ 09:22am
Pontificus, maybe I missed it last time I asked, but did you respond to my questions about Palins stance on issue? I did miss the interview last night (watching Tal Wikenfeld was far more entertaining), but, if she does not know what the Bush Doctrine is, what does that tell you? Nothing? Gee, I would think that your whole hearted support for such a doctrine would leave you a little worried when the VP does not know as much as you claim to know.
OK. she is not familiar with the Bush Doctrine of preemptive war against a third party uninvolved in any attacks on the US. What are her other stances on issue? Do we know yet?
Ponti, can you inform me what he stance is on Russia/Georgia? Does she favor abolishing the education dept? What is her position on unfunded mandates like No Child Left Behind? Can you compare/contrast her healthcare policy with that of Bidens? Does she have an opinion on medical use of marijuana?
Posted by crabwalk at 09/12/2008 @ 09:25am
she also insulted a large number of the populace which is not represented in alaska, that of middle eastern heritage, reinforcing the Grand Ole Nazi Party's true intentions....of disenfranchising and further lessening minorities in this country, turning us into a xenophobic, inward looking, self obsessed, evangelical theocracy...git r dun
I thought Nader was spot-on when he said his VP has twice as much experience with a city much more complex and larger than the whole state of alaska.....
MSM didn't even comment....in our two-party system...sad...
Posted by jrs112 at 09/12/2008 @ 09:26am
Posted by jrs112 at 09/12/2008 @ 09:22am....the madison line is classic and relevant. She is a total whack job, but at least she didn't start field dressing a moose to cover up her inadequacies
Posted by leftofcenter at 09/12/2008 @ 09:33am
[During her second term as mayor, Palin introduced a ballot measure proposing the construction of a municipal sports center to be financed by a 0.5% sales tax increase.[40] The $14.7 million Wasilla Multi-Use Sports Complex was built on time and under budget, but the city lost an additional $1.3 million due to an eminent domain lawsuit caused by a failure to obtain legal ownership of the property before beginning construction.[40]
She also hired the Anchorage-based lobbying firm of Robertson, Monagle & Eastaugh to lobby for earmarks for Wasilla. The effort was led by Steven Silver, a former chief of staff for Senator Ted Stevens,[41] and it secured nearly $27 million in earmarked funds. The earmarks included $500,000 for a youth shelter, $1.9 million for a transportation hub, $900,000 for sewer repairs, and $15 million for a rail project linking Wasilla and the ski resort community of Girdwood.[42] Some of the earmarks were criticized by Senator McCain in 2001 and 2002
From 2003 to June 2005, Palin served as one of three directors of "Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc.,"
In Palin's two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in earmarks, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation.[78] While initially supporting $223 Million in federal funding for the "Bridge to Nowhere," Palin backed off only when Alaska's share of the cost increased. In February 2008, Palin's office sent a 70-page memo to Ted Stevens' office, outlining $200 million in funding requests for Alaska
In 2006, Palin ran for Governor on a "build-the-bridge" platform,[87] attacking "spinmeisters"[88] for insulting local residents by calling them "nowhere"[87] and urging speed "while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."
In September 20
Posted by crabwalk at 09/12/2008 @ 09:37am
JM .. let me sum this up with a brief video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY
Posted by leftofcenter at 09/12/2008 @ 09:39am
She STOPPED the Bridge to "Nowhere" by running on a "build the bridge" platform!
Just like Chimpy is warring for peace.
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I wonder if the Obama handlers will ever let him loose on a town hall format and if it would truely sink his campaign. It would show the country a view that is not so packaged. Posted by JOMAMMA at 09/12/2008 @ 09:36am
JOMMAMa, want to see him in "Town Hall" action? Maybe you should be looking at tape of him as a community organizer. Do you know what that term means? It means local action to empower people to do things in their communities, NOT wait for the feds to do it for them. I thought you were all about that, till Palin denigrated the service of people like Jesus.
Or, you could use The Google...YouTube - Barack Obama TOWN HALL MEETING in Fairless ... Barack Obama spoke to hundreds today at a town hall meeting ... 8 min - www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb84Mq7NbrA
YouTube - Obama Town Hall Meeting in Las Vegas On January 11, 2008, Barack Obama held a town hall meeting in ... 1 min 36 sec -
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGO7FVtk8wQ
Sep 2, 2008 ... On Thursday, US Sen. Barack Obama's Virginia campaign will host a town hall in Culpeper
Barack Obama's townhall meeting at Glendale High School ran as smoothly as if his advance team had been living in Springfield all their lives. .
Aug 16, 2008 ... Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama will visit Raleigh on Tuesday to talk about the economy at a town hall meeting
Aug 21, 2008 ... Barack Obama holds town hall meetings in Lynchburg & Martinsville
Mar 22, 2008 ... Barack Obama held a town hall meeting in Medford, Oregon today with 1500 people -- and he greeted another 800 in the overflow room
Posted by crabwalk at 09/12/2008 @ 09:48am
JO, don't EVER let facts get in your way.
and, I gotta say... for you to mock someone for a being "packaged" candidate, then to see the way you are swooning over a nobody like Palin... Well... it makes me laugh!
Posted by crabwalk at 09/12/2008 @ 09:56am
FROSTY....
Spending all my nights, all my money, goin' out on the town
Doin' anything just to get you off of my mind
But when the morning comes
I'm right back where I started again
And tryin' to forget you is just a waste of time
Baby come back; any kind of fool could see
There was something in everything about you
Baby come back; you can blame it all on me
I was wrong, and I just can't live without you
Now that I put it all together
Give me the chance to make you see
Have you used up all the love in your heart?
Nothing left for me? Is there nothing left for me?
Baby come back; any kind of fool could see There was something in everything about you
Baby come back; you can blame it all on me
I was wrong, and I just can't live without you
Posted by crabwalk at 09/12/2008 @ 10:00am
Gee, and I thought THIS was the Bush Doctrine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to2hIhXrRTk
Posted by leftofcenter at 09/12/2008 @ 10:01am
Was Charlie nice to Sarah? I mean really, we wouldn't want someone from the fancy pants elitist media being mean to a pitbull, would we? How could someone as tough as Sarah stand up to Katie Couric?
Posted by crabwalk at 09/12/2008 @ 10:03am
Roger Ebert positioned Palin brilliantly: "the American Idol candidate." Me, I just think she's extremely light in her shoes. She is nothing but image - a pure holograph. To argue otherwise is laughable (to me anyway)
Posted by nodevice at 09/12/2008 @ 10:06am
I'd like to see David Gregory take a stab at her, if the PugNuts will let her out of her cage....
Posted by leftofcenter at 09/12/2008 @ 10:07am
Think O'Reilly would rip into her the way he tried to rip Obama? LOL.
Posted by nodevice at 09/12/2008 @ 10:13am
On "Fox News Sunday," McCain touted Palin's opposition to the bridge. "Yes, the pork barrel project, a $233 million bridge in Alaska to an island with 50 people on it," McCain said. "She, as governor, stood up and said, we don't need it, and if we need it, we'll pay for it ourselves. Now, that's guts. I saw that, and I said, ‘This, this is what we need in Washington.'
....The Anchorage Daily News quoted her in October 2006 as saying she would continue state funding for the bridge.
"The window is now while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist," she said.
Posted by crabwalk at 09/12/2008 @ 10:26am
Darin, would a missionary not be a community organizer in this new Abridged Republican Dictionary?
Posted by crabwalk at 09/12/2008 @ 10:31am
From Marv, another anonymous blogger from the right...
"But don't allow the rhetoric of this campaign to denigrate the honor of those who serve as community organizers in inner cities, small towns and rural hamlets across this land of ours. Their noble profession should be treated with honor, not as a political football, tossed about in derision for electoral gain. Obama's background is law, but most professionals whose title is "community organizer" are social workers. Thousands of them happen to be Baptists and other people of faith who serve the people Jesus called "the least of these" because God has called them to that task.
True Christian servants
My experience with these servants dates back almost 30 years, when I went to work as a reporter for the Southern Baptist Home Mission Board. My job was to tell stories about how missionaries across America were changing lives and leading people to faith in Christ. So, every month, I studied the statistics. Soon, I realized the "Christian social ministries" missionaries--social workers, or, in popular parlance, "community organizers"--often led the way in leading people to the Lord. They tangibly demonstrated God's love and Jesus' sacrifice. By meeting needs the people knew they had, they earned the right to meet their spiritual needs and change lives, both immediately and eternally.
So, vote as your conscience dictates. But please don't allow the rhetoric of this season to turn your mind against community organizers--social workers, Christian missionaries to God's often-forgotten children."
Posted by crabwalk at 09/12/2008 @ 10:36am
Darin, BTW, as it appears that the GOP has a defined interest in who I have sex with, which orifice I use and who will define my marriage, yes I would like to know Bristol and Levis favorite position. Scalia would not answer such an easy question after he wanted to outlaw sodomy, maybe Sarah could enlighten us as to her kids favorite position while practicing abstinence.
I still submit that a condom is more powerful than Jesus. Apparently Jesus was with young Bristol, and he failed to stop the wigglers.
Posted by crabwalk at 09/12/2008 @ 10:46am
Jezzzz..
Glad the GOP has the idiot at the bottom of the ticket instead of the top like the dems do....
Seriously Mr.Kim, the ignorance is not of foreign policy but ignorance of YOUR VIEW of foreign policy. One thing we know about this country is that 1/2 of it don't give a fuck about what the other half thinks...
Posted by bleedingheart at 09/12/2008 @ 10:58am
No, Darin, actually THIS threw me for a loop...
"Community organizer? I know the "CO" in ACORN stands for Community Organizers. People who know me know I don't throw the term "Communist" around lightly. I chastize many of my conservative brethern here for using that term and admonish them to be more accurate using the term "collectivist" because it is more accurate and lack the pejoritive connotation carried by "communist"
ACORN is communist.----Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/12/2008 @ 10:21am
So...."Obama a Community Organizer"..."CO in ACORN is 'community organizer'"....therefore....????
LOL!
Thanks, Darin. If you were really as confident as you claim, trying to say "Obama is a Commie" "allusions"...
sure killed that.
Why the panic???
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/12/2008 @ 10:58am
Posted by bleedingheart at 09/12/2008 @ 10:58am
why don't you explain the Iraq/AQ/9-11 connection to us one more time...
Do you think Putin really has a good soul, and would you base your policy on that?
What is Palins opinion of the Russia/Georgia situation?
How would she deal with OPEC? Chavez?
What are Palins views on MFN status for China? How about her views on Chinas new island based naval fleet?
CAN ANY OF THE CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS THAT COME HERE ANSWER ANY OF THESE BASIC QUESTIONS ABOUT SARAH PALIN THAT I HAVE BEEN ASKING ABOUT FOR OVER A WEEK? Can you do it without attacking something trivial about Obama or Biden?
How about an easy one? What is it about Palins administrative experience that led her to build a municipal building on land that had a title dispute?
Posted by crabwalk at 09/12/2008 @ 11:06am
BTW, Darin on the other Palin thread...
FREIHEIT called you an idiot!
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/12/2008 @ 11:06am
I guess the United States of America is not a community.
Posted by crabwalk at 09/12/2008 @ 11:11am
And this 2008 election poll says it all. <b>You won't believe these results!</b>
http://www.votenic.com
Instant Results!
Posted by votenic at 09/12/2008 @ 11:27am
if Obama had picked Hill, we would still be having this same discussion, with the sides reversed.
Posted by emile duBois at 09/12/2008 @ 11:44am
lvliberty-It is up to the individual pastor to decide what they have been called on to do and not something that you decide.
Posted by i'm nobody at 09/12/2008 @ 12:01pm
and to utilize the local believers to help one another----Posted by lvliberty1 at 09/12/2008 @ 11:45am
Less the "no government help" (and really you think there's not SOME?)....
it's the same thing. One's secular the other religious.
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/12/2008 @ 12:08pm
Palin looked like a deer caught in the headlights when asked about the Bush doctrine. Barney Fife comes to mind, or Jackie Gleason, hamena, hamena...
they should put that in the commercials.
Posted by emile duBois at 09/12/2008 @ 12:12pm
>>>"You'll be there to defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the deaths of thousands of Americans," Palin told the departing soldiers. <<<
Invade Russia without sufficient troops?
Lack of understanding of Russia's peacekeeping role in South Ossetia an how this role is sanctioned by the UN?
No Knowledge of Bush's pre-emption doctrine?
And now this parroting of a completely discredited rationale that Iraq was somehow involved in 9/11.
This Palin is SCARY as a potential president if McCain's cancer starts acting up again!
Posted by Metteyya at 09/12/2008 @ 12:29pm
Invade Russia without sufficient troops?
even with sufficient troops, or even ALL the troops in the world, there will be no invasion of Russia. who sez?
thousands of nukes and the means of delivery on Russia's part.
that woman is an out and out nutcase.
as I pointed out before, she is another stinking corpse around the old old soldier's neck.
Posted by emile duBois at 09/12/2008 @ 12:38pm
"And this 2008 election poll says it all. <b>You won't believe these results!</b>
http://www.votenic.com"
The folks in flyover country don't have computers...
Posted by bleedingheart at 09/12/2008 @ 12:50pm
The Bush Doctrine is what got us into this situation with Iraq and Afganistan in the first place and see what it got us: 4000 US soldiers dead, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Afganis dead, an ever great security threat to the US by terrorists and those who already hated us, hundreds of billions of dollars spent, Bin Ladin wasn't found, Al Quaeda is still not wiped out, etc. Even more of them hate us now. So Palin thinks we should defend the Bush Doctrine? Even with the Bush Doctrine, the administration still needed a few lies to get us to preemptively strike at Iraq. They weren't even honest about it! I wonder how the doctrine would play out in the general public: "He looked at me funny! He might kill me. I better kill him first!" That's just sheer paranoia and chaos. That's what the Bush Doctrine sounds like to me. As for bringing democracy to countries run by dictatorships, I think the US is the last country to say what democracy looks like, based on what it has done to its own citizens over history. A democracy doesn't discriminate one segment of the population (done here until the mid 60's); a democracy doesn't put all the power in the hands of the very rich (still being done); a democracy listens to the needs of the people, not the ones funneling money into the politicians' pockets.
Posted by momo67 at 09/12/2008 @ 12:56pm
RE: I wonder if the Obama handlers will ever let him loose on a town hall format and if it would truely sink his campaign. It would show the country a view that is not so packaged. Posted by JOMAMMA at 09/12/2008 @ 09:36am
Hmmm....Obama in a town hall meeting....McCain's strength. Do you mean the McCain town hall meeting where he agreed with a woman calling for a draft? Or the town hall meeting where he dismissed the veteran who started to call him out on his anti-vet voting record? Some strength.
Posted by aljstl at 09/12/2008 @ 12:58pm
"A democracy doesn't discriminate one segment of the population (done here until the mid 60's);"
they did a lot worse than that.Goodman, Cheney and Schwerner ring a bell?
Posted by emile duBois at 09/12/2008 @ 12:59pm
hEY, eb
Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 09/12/2008 @ 12:59pm
not a perfect example. as two out of the three above were white.
here's to the nameless ones, who were lynched. you will never be forgotten.
Posted by emile duBois at 09/12/2008 @ 1:06pm
"The folks in flyover country don't have computers..."
Posted by bleedingheart at 09/12/2008 @ 12:50pm
So, you are finally agreeing that many of them are poorly informed?
Posted by Malcontent at 09/12/2008 @ 1:07pm
"So, you are finally agreeing that many of them are poorly informed?"
No...
Most everything online is left slanted bullshit anyway....
Posted by bleedingheart at 09/12/2008 @ 1:18pm
Whatever her failings in terms of knowledge and experience, I'd be confident that she could and would bring herself up to snuff very quickly:
She's just that type.
Posted by CHIP THORNTON
Sheesh. You hadn't even heard of the woman until two weeks ago. How do you know what "type" she is?
Posted by Balrog at 09/12/2008 @ 1:25pm
Most everything online is left slanted bullshit anyway....
Posted by bleedingheart at 09/12/2008 @ 1:18pm
"And reality has a well-known liberal bias."----"Stephen Colbert"
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/12/2008 @ 1:25pm
"And reality has a well-known liberal bias."----"Stephen Colbert"
reality - the earth is warming
liberal bias - man caused it
reality - Obama and Palin are inexperienced
liberal bias - In Obama's case, it's OK
Posted by bleedingheart at 09/12/2008 @ 1:34pm
Posted by Metteyya at 09/12/2008 @ 12:29pm
"Lack of understanding of Russia's peacekeeping role in South Ossetia an how this role is sanctioned by the UN?"
Peace keeping role? That's bizarre. If Russia's keeping peace in Georgia, then Hitler was keeping peace in France 1941.
Posted by pontificus at 09/12/2008 @ 1:37pm
This 'Bush invaded Iraq because they were begin 9/11' is a classic liberal red herring. Don't you guys ever get tired of it?
Posted by pontificus at 09/12/2008 @ 1:39pm
Meanwhile, today's polls show McCain ahead by 3, 3, and 4 respectively. It's the same script as usual. MSM hypes the Democratic ticket through the spring and summer, leading to a big Dem lead in the polls. Then, when people actually start paying attention to the issues, it's down the old shitteroo for the latest lefty loser.
Posted by pontificus at 09/12/2008 @ 1:41pm
reality - the earth is warming
liberal bias - man caused it
Posted by bleedingheart at 09/12/2008 @ 1:34pm
Ahem....
"THERE IS NOW a broad consensus in this country, and indeed in the world, that global warming is happening, that it is a serious problem, and that humans are causing it."-----By John McCain and Joe Lieberman | February 13, 2007
www.boston.com
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/12/2008 @ 1:42pm
"This 'Bush invaded Iraq because they were begin 9/11' is a classic liberal red herring."----Posted by pontificus at 09/12/2008 @ 1:39pm
So why every 9/11 do you guys bring up "winning the War on Terror"....and instead of looking at Afghanistan or capturing bin Laden...
you make us look to Iraq?!?!??!?!?
LOL
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/12/2008 @ 1:45pm
ponti-Not only did you not get a rise in the polls because people are paying attention to the issues,but the quite the opposite.You got a rise in the polls because of someone that most never heard of and know nothing about.
Posted by i'm nobody at 09/12/2008 @ 1:47pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/12/2008 @ 1:45pm
"So why every 9/11 do you guys bring up "winning the War on Terror"....and instead of looking at Afghanistan or capturing bin Laden...
you make us look to Iraq?!?!??!?!?
LOL"
Same reason as the last 100 times I've explained it to you, MASK. Perhaps you could review one of Hillary Clinton's speeches on the subject, since you obviously don't listen to any Republicans.
Posted by pontificus at 09/12/2008 @ 1:51pm
"THERE IS NOW a broad consensus in this country, and indeed in the world, that global warming is happening, that it is a serious problem, and that humans are causing it."-----By John McCain and Joe Lieberman | February 13, 2007"
And the asteroid that took out the dinosaurs??
The freaking REPUBLICANS! Who else??
Why do so many Arabs hate us??
George W Bush!!
(Hey this is easy)
Posted by bleedingheart at 09/12/2008 @ 1:52pm
Posted by bleedingheart at 09/12/2008 @ 1:52pm
That hurricane in Texas? Bush's fault.
Posted by pontificus at 09/12/2008 @ 1:53pm
ponti-No one on the left has blamed Bush for hurricanes,but people on the right have blamed gays for them.
Posted by i'm nobody at 09/12/2008 @ 1:55pm
Posted by pontificus at 09/12/2008 @ 1:51pm
"I've explained it a 100 times....Saddam had ties to Al Qaeda....Al Qaeda attacked us on 9/11....but I'm NOT SAYING that Saddam had anything to do with 9/11....just saying Saddam had ties to Al Qaeda....and Al Qaeda attacked us on 9/11....and if we hadn't overthrown Saddam there would have been another 9/11....and he had ties to Al Qaeda which attacked us on 9/11.....so where do you get this phoney idea that I'm somehow linking Saddam to 9/11?!??!?!"
That explaination?
LOL
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/12/2008 @ 1:56pm
Posted by i'm nobody at 09/12/2008 @ 1:55pm
Katrina? Bush's fault.
Posted by pontificus at 09/12/2008 @ 1:58pm
Posted by bleedingheart at 09/12/2008 @ 1:52pm
Bleeding....WHO are you voting for this fall?
"the guy running with Sarah"?
A well-known "liberal" on "man-made global warming"????
LOL!
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/12/2008 @ 1:58pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/12/2008 @ 1:56pm
Wow, now you're answering your own questions for me?
Posted by pontificus at 09/12/2008 @ 1:59pm
Since you refuse to look it up yourself and your memory appears to be faulty, MASK, here are the reasons why Hillary and many other Democrats supported the use of military force in Iraq:
* Iraq's noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 cease fire, including interference with weapons inspectors. * Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, and programs to develop such weapons, posed a "threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region."[citation needed] * Iraq's "brutal repression of its civilian population." * Iraq's "capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people". * Iraq's hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by the alleged 1993 assassination attempt of former President George H. W. Bush, and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War. * Members of al-Qaeda were "known to be in Iraq." * Iraq's "continu[ing] to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations," including anti-United States terrorist organizations. * The efforts by the Congress and the President to fight terrorists, including the September 11th, 2001 terrorists and those who aided or harbored them. * The authorization by the Constitution and the Congress for the President to fight anti-United States terrorism. * Citing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, the resolution reiterated that it should be the policy of the United States to remove the Saddam Hussein regime and promote a democratic replacement.
Posted by pontificus at 09/12/2008 @ 2:08pm
So, you see mask, the things you take issue with are a few of many reasons cited for the use of force in Iraq. Approximately 60 percent of Democratic US Senators voted for this resolution. Shall we do a roll call?
Posted by pontificus at 09/12/2008 @ 2:12pm
Bleeding....WHO are you voting for this fall?
NADER.
I was/am a Clinton supporter.
Posted by bleedingheart at 09/12/2008 @ 2:14pm
Calling Barrack Obama by his middle name... How clever that is! Gee, does that mean he might be a Muslim? I'm good and scared now so I'll vote Republican. They're the only ones who can protect us from the Muslims.
If you mean to imply that because of Osama Bin Laden, all Muslims are evil, would you in turn say that because of Jim Jones and David Karesch all Christians evil? Should we not elect anyone with a Christian name because they might be a Christian?
I wonder how really stinking bad things have to get before you right wing bloggers admit the Bush policies of the last 8 years have been one massive blunder after another? Does the sinking economy do it for you? Maybe the endless war? Or do you have to lose YOUR house or job before you get it?
Do you really think more of the same will fix our country's problems? How can those who created the problems in the first place (Republicans) be trusted to fix them? Oh, that's right. McCain and Palin are the original Mavericks. Is that suposed to mean they're really not Republicans at all?
I'm not letting the fox fix the hole in the hen house.
Posted by DucknCover at 09/12/2008 @ 2:14pm
I would LOVE to see Obama and McCain debate real-time, in any format, with no restrictions, and an unscreened audience.
THAT would be must-see TV.
Posted by drhammer at 09/12/2008 @ 2:33pm
I want my HTML back!
Posted by drhammer at 09/12/2008 @ 2:33pm
Posted by pontificus at 09/12/2008 @ 2:12pm
So you give the Dems and Hillary the same credit for "winning the war in Iraq" that you give Bush?
("caveat" in....5...4...3...2...1....)
heheh
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/12/2008 @ 2:55pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/12/2008 @ 12:23am
I'll do what I can. As Tavis Smiley says, "Keep the faith".
Posted by k330k at 09/12/2008 @ 2:59pm
And a human verbal wrecking crew. This is the fellow who nearly derailed his nascent presidential campaign last year by calling Obama bright and clean and articulate and who noted that you needed a slight Indian accent to walk into a Dunkin' Donuts or 7-11 in Delaware. Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/12/2008 @ 09:24am
Oh please. When did you get so PC.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/12/2008 @ 3:04pm
Have fun in the hurricane Happy!
I have to say though I would prefer one of those to earth quakes. It is easier for the mind to contemplate fast winds than the very earth moving beneath your feet.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/12/2008 @ 3:07pm
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/12/2008 @ 3:04pm
And mention a McCain gaffe or 50....
and he'll suddenly go all "bipartisan Darin" and say "Well, I'm not saying BOTH sides don't do it!"...
except he is.
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/12/2008 @ 3:25pm
BTW, THIS was the funniest moment on the blog today for me.....FREIHEIT goes clairvoyent-
"You're no different than the idiots calling Obama a Muslim and a communist."-------Posted by freiheit1 at 09/12/2008 @ 09:31am
"Community organizer? I know the "CO" in ACORN stands for Community Organizers. People who know me know I don't throw the term "Communist" around lightly. I chastize many of my conservative brethern here for using that term and admonish them to be more accurate using the term "collectivist" because it is more accurate and lack the pejoritive connotation carried by "communist"
ACORN is communist."-----Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/12/2008 @ 10:21am
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/12/2008 @ 3:40pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/12/2008 @ 2:55pm
"So you give the Dems and Hillary the same credit for "winning the war in Iraq" that you give Bush? "
Before we move on to that separate question, does your asking this mean that you are conceding the initial point, i.e, that you misrepresented the purported reasons for going to war in Iraq, thus necessitating my reminding you of same?
Posted by pontificus at 09/12/2008 @ 3:42pm
Still no answers about Palins actual positions.
But, the cons love her!
cuz she's tough (but just a little afraid of Katie Couric)
Posted by crabwalk at 09/12/2008 @ 3:45pm
Mask, why is that funny?
Darin calls ACORN communist, not Obama.
Besides, ACORN IS communist!
And, in form worthy of our MSM, you take me out of context to get your chuckle.
That'll teach me to engage in reasonable dialog with liberals. Ann Coulter warns against that in her books.
She's right.
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/12/2008 @ 3:52pm
Both parties are eating out of the same trough. Neither is deserving. This partisan sideshow is bulls**t. You folks are wasting your time energy, this is all just as a distraction. No matter which one wins we all lose. Give a third party a chance and throw ALL the rascals out.
Yeah right. This is likely to happen. They have you all fooled. Much better to bicker amongst yourselves. Reminds me of "They Live".
Posted by ucnick at 09/12/2008 @ 3:59pm
Neither had you BALROG
Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 09/12/2008 @ 4:02pm
Ann Coulter warns against that in her books. She's right. Posted by freiheit1 at 09/12/2008 @ 3:52pm
oooh, minus 5 respect points for Mr. Free heat.
Posted by crabwalk at 09/12/2008 @ 4:03pm
Whatever her failings in terms of knowledge and experience, I'd be confident that she could and would bring herself up to snuff very quickly:
She's just that type.
Posted by CHIP THORNTON
Finally, someone from the right who admits she is not quite up to the job yet.
I think we heard the same thing about Gov. Bush in 2000 - that his lack of foreign policy experience would be mitigated by his ability to "surround himself with good people."
How did that play out again?
Posted by Hman23 at 09/12/2008 @ 4:07pm
Posted by crabwalk at 09/12/2008 @ 4:03pm
heehee, I know! I saw the yellow flag the moment I hit "submit" =8>)
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/12/2008 @ 4:12pm
Ponti-You are very dishonest person.As you know,Bush was not blamed for Katrina,but was blamed for his reaction to it.
Posted by i'm nobody at 09/12/2008 @ 4:12pm
How did that play out again?
Posted by Hman23 at 09/12/2008 @ 4:07pm
Um, a quarter of a million dead, Banks collecting interest on $billions in fiat american currency printed up by the Fed to fund it all, and a divided country?
But I'm sure I missed something.
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/12/2008 @ 4:16pm
Posted by Hman23 at 09/12/2008 @ 4:07pm |
So, HMAN, if Palin is unqualified - what experience over and above hers is significant enough to make him, in comparison, QUALIFIED? Hmmm?
Posted by pontificus at 09/12/2008 @ 4:17pm
Give a third party a chance and throw your vote away.
Posted by emile duBois at 09/12/2008 @ 4:24pm
Posted by crabwalk at 09/12/2008 @ 4:03pm | ignore this person | warn this person
it's pronounced Freehate. like gay men for instance.
Posted by emile duBois at 09/12/2008 @ 4:26pm
The cognitive dissonance of liberals like HMAN is amazing. Palin has little or no foreign policy experience, so she's unqualified to be VP. But Obama has little or none himself, and this goes unremarked. Utterly amazing. What was that Orwell said about leftists having to keep two incompatible ideas in their heads at the same time?
Posted by pontificus at 09/12/2008 @ 4:28pm
Posted by emile duBois at 09/12/2008 @ 4:26pm
You are so wrong there JR and I wish you'd allow me to explain to you.
If it were true I could accept it - even be defiant. But it is so far from reality that it saddens me.
Your characterization is wrong.
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/12/2008 @ 4:33pm
It's America's newest disease - only diagnosed by some in the media a few days ago - but it is spreading among the nation's Beautiful People at an alarming rate.
You know it by its initials - PDS. Palin Derangement Syndrome.
You can watch the victims of PDS on TV every night, frothing at the mouth in front of Obama banners, repeating scurrilous lies lifted from left-wing blogs or just making up new whoppers as they go along. It's an epidemic - Palin Derangement Syndrome swept through MSNBC studios this week and claimed two anchors, who are survived by dozens of viewers.
The bad news is, PDS appears to be incurable. The good news is, it only strikes one demographic group - moonbats.
Like so many earlier plagues, PDS mutated from an earlier affliction, BDS, Bush Derangement Syndrome. But BDS often metastasized over months, if not years, and struck across the political spectrum.
Are you at risk of contracting this virulent contagion? Do you work for a living? If the answer to the latter is yes, the answer to the former is probably no.
You've heard of Typhoid Mary. PDS is spread by "Typhoid Sarah," but it's not infectious. It only strikes the Politically Correct. So far, it has struck only those who believe that 9/11 was an "inside job," or who have "Redefeat Bush" bumper stickers on the backs of their Priuses.
Researchers racing for the cure say that sometimes a single word or term relating to Sarah can touch off a full-blown case of PDS - "pro-life" is one such predictive phrase, and others include "blue-collar," "public school" and, most alarming of all, "mother of five."
Let us consider a few case studies. A mere fortnight ago, most of these victims were clearly demented, but still able to function, at least among their own kind, the trust-funded idle rich.
Fir
Posted by pontificus at 09/12/2008 @ 4:42pm
First case: "Matt D."
One day, Matt D. was just another liberal puke making lousy movies. The next, he had lost his mind, thanks to PDS. He made a videotape in which he impersonated an actuary, used the word "absurd" about 30 times, and then asked "if she thinks dinosaurs were here 4,000 years ago".
Remember, Matt D. believes that by buying "carbon credits," he can personally stop the oceans from rising. Is this a guy who should be worried about somebody else's wacky beliefs? Prognosis: Incurable.
Second case: "Carol F."
No one had ever heard of this obscure Southern moonbat until Wednesday, when she suddenly blurted out that Sarah Palin's "primary qualification seems to be that she hasn't had an abortion."
Later she apologized for her "clumsy" statement. What Carol F. really meant to say was that she hates Palin because she hasn't had an abortion. Prognosis: Put her on suicide watch until 1-20-09.
Posted by pontificus at 09/12/2008 @ 4:45pm
Normally considered nothing more than a plagiarizing blowhard, Joe B. was struck down with a particularly nasty strain of PDS - an overpowering depression and paranoia about his own worthlessness. Never one to speak succinctly, Joe B. suddenly became an even bigger windbag. Listen to this endless torrent of words in Nashua, N.H.:
"Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Let's get that straight. She's a truly close personal friend; she is qualified to be president of the United States of America. She's easily qualified to be vice president of the United States of America and, quite frankly, it might have been a better pick than me, but she is first-rate."
Prognosis: Verbal diarrhea poses no immediate danger to himself, but his audiences are increasingly falling into comas or trances.
Fourth case: "Barry O."
Since first glimpsing Sarah, Barry O. has been unable to speak coherently, has talked of "wrecking havoc" and brought up his "Muslim faith" on national TV. Finally, in the grips of full-blown PDS, Barry slurred Sarah as a pig, and then claimed that he, not Sarah, was a victim - admittedly, his perennial fallback position, which has never failed him before.
Prognosis: Grave. Drs. Al Gore and John Kerry have been called to his bedside.
Posted by pontificus at 09/12/2008 @ 4:47pm
i trust you guys will save the world from the menace of stupidity.
see ya.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/12/2008 @ 12:23am
Come on Frosty, Don't let the dark side throw you off your game. That's what they want. Their senior citizen and ex wannebe beauty queen have no substance, nothing to run on, and maybe one or two working brain cells between the two of them. Even with the media trying to hype up every little stupid story they can muster, McCain and Palin still have one major problem....they don't have a platform other than flagwaving and tax cuts for the wealthy.
Keep hammering at these jackasses. Besides, there are only a few morons posting here from the dark side, though I have to say that HelenDao has evidently been drinking from the cup used for the village idiot. She's making Happy, Ponti, Liver, BleedingJackass and the rest of the Hitler Youth appear to almost be reasonable folks!lol
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 09/12/2008 @ 5:01pm
Ponti-By your definition of Palin derangement syndrome one can say that you guys have Obama derangement syndrome making the syndrome thing rather juvenile and pointless,but it does give you kids something to say that makes you feel intelligent because it includes the word syndrome.Of course,you aren't using the term correctly,but that's okay since it makes you feel smart.
Posted by i'm nobody at 09/12/2008 @ 5:04pm
Zero is right. The issues are a lot more important than this other horseshit.
As far as the right side of the equation, they figure everything W has done has been dead on and that the democrats in Congress over the last two years have been W's (and McCain's) problems for the last 7 going on 8 years. Talk about fuzzy math?! Then again, us elitists know how to add so arithmatic doesn't appear to be fuzzy to us.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 09/12/2008 @ 5:05pm
Ponti-I see that you're lying,again,about the Palin/pig thing,but find it hysterical that when you guys heard "pig with lipstick" that you,immediately,thought of Palin.
Posted by i'm nobody at 09/12/2008 @ 5:06pm
Ponti, still waiting to read some of Palins policy statements. Can you direct me to them?
oh, wait, I must have a syndrome.
[Ponti-I see that you're lying,again,about the Palin/pig thing,but find it hysterical that when you guys heard "pig with lipstick" that you,immediately,thought of Palin. Posted by i'm nobody at 09/12/2008 @ 5:06pm ]
Do you think he knows what a "pig in a poke" is? Probably not, but he will still pull the lever marked "Palin/McCain"
Maybe Ponti could explain to me why a mayor with good judgement would authorize a multi million dollar project on land that does not have clear title?
Posted by crabwalk at 09/12/2008 @ 5:22pm
Never mind Ponti, I found the answer...
Rev Wright.
Posted by crabwalk at 09/12/2008 @ 5:24pm
And I do think she has a grasp of the Bush Doctirne, even if she doesn't know the term...
grr kill, grr drill.. kill, drill, borrow, drill, borrow, kill, grrr
Posted by crabwalk at 09/12/2008 @ 5:27pm
Ponti -
Obama has been immersed in foreign policy issues, as well as federal domestic issues for at least the past four years. When he speaks about the issues, he is knowledgeable and informed, even if you don't agree with his views.
Palin, by contrast, doesn't seem to know a lick. Some here, including you, seem to think she is bright enough to learn on the job.
I think electing someone who, two years ago, was elected by 900 people to be mayor of a tiny town in Alaska is a risky choice for VP.
Although there is obviously a political competent to a VP pick, McCain's selection was 100% based on political strategy, and had nothing at all to do with competence. You can spin it any way you like, but non-partisans won't buy it. Good luck.
Posted by Hman23 at 09/12/2008 @ 5:50pm
Cool, let's AWARD this common sense doctrine to GW Bush...he's earned it!
Posted by SoHAPPY at 09/11/2008 @ 11:55pm
Great idea. Enshrine the ethic of playground bullies from time immemorial.
Have you ever read anything on just war?, say Aquinas, maybe?
Gad what gibberish belches from the maw of the soul-less neoconistae
Posted by skeletonman at 09/12/2008 @ 6:55pm
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/12/2008 @ 3:52pm
FREI, Darin was discussing how ACORN was Communists....before that he was discussing how the "OO" in ACORN was "Community Organizer"....
Now, WHO do you suppose he was somewhat "hinting" at when he was discussing "community organizers"?!?!?!??
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/12/2008 @ 7:33pm
right wing trollery sure has gone downhill if the evidence on this thread is any indication.
wingnuts have tied their wagon to a pretty (vacant) fanatic.
have fun with that.
meanwhile, healthcare, the war on the poor, the environment, and other important parts of reality, yes the one with the well-known liberal bias, are being discussed by adults who see the lying WcCain ticket for what it is, worse than W.
Posted by tnathant at 09/12/2008 @ 8:27pm
Posted by tnathant at 09/12/2008 @ 8:27pm
McCain isn't even running anymore apparently....it's just "SARAH! and the old guy who hangs out with her."
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/12/2008 @ 8:35pm
just saw Ms. Palin on MSNBC addressing her son's departing troops for Iraq. She announced that we were really proud of the soldiers who were going to Iraq to defend us against those who attacked us on 9/11. I f those kids believe that the Iraqis were responsible for 9/11 we really are in deep trouble. She really is uninformed or a pathological liar.
Posted by lachatte at 09/12/2008 @ 9:35pm
Glad to see experience and knowledge matter to the dems now.
It would be interesting to have a "do over" in the democrat primary.
I see Obama dropping out after Iowa.
Exit polling comments would be something like,
"Barak Obama is a great speaker, maybe the best speaker ever, I'm telling you a silver tongued speaker, but I'm concerned about his ignorance of the issues."
"I love to hear Obama speak, man can he speak, what a speaker, but he seems lost when not reading a prepared statement."
"After eight years of Bush I'm not ready for another idiot, yeah Obama can speak well and all, but he seems stupid or something. Maybe he should just stick to speaking, he IS a great speaker."
Posted by bleedingheart at 09/12/2008 @ 10:11pm
Actually the Bush Doctrine is significantly more complicated - it has evolved through four levels. Gibson was actually wrong in his definition - his flub not hers. See the writeup by Charles Krauthammer on the bush doctrine - it is very complete. The really funny thing about this whole thing is how the left has become the most sexist group in the country - two high profile women in one year, wow! Keep slamming Sarah, we need all the votes we can get, you cannot help yourselves. How sweet it is!
Posted by pyeatte at 09/13/2008 @ 12:16am
"the war on the poor, the environment, and other important parts of reality, yes the one with the well-known liberal bias, are being discussed by adults who see the lying WcCain ticket for what it is, worse than W." Posted by tnathant at 09/12/2008 @ 8:27pm
The "war on the poor". Um, yeah, I'm pretty sure that started with the Great Society in the 60's. The dems have kept it up for 40 years.
"She announced that we were really proud of the soldiers who were going to Iraq to defend us against those who attacked us on 9/11. I f those kids believe that the Iraqis were responsible for 9/11 we really are in deep trouble. She really is uninformed or a pathological liar." Posted by lachatte at 09/12/2008 @ 9:35pm
I'm pretty sure she was referring to that group called 'Al Qaeda in Iraq'. You know, the ones who actually CARRIED OUT 9/11. Did you know they are in Iraq?
Folks,don't worry about Frosty. He'll be back. I bet he's reading this right now. BTW, Frosty whenever you can, put up the source for those figures you posted on job growth and GDP during recent presidential administrations.
Posted by twillie at 09/13/2008 @ 01:07am
"Not unless you are talking about the kingdom of G-d which is not this world.
Pastors and missionaries (at least those who serve Christ and not this world) are not called to form community groups to negotiate rent control, put pressure on govt for job programs, bring in union organizers, etc. We are called to lead people to Christ ."
This is anti-Christ. Anybody aligned with the G-domizers (the way jews spell what real Christians worship as God, which differs from the OT satrap cargo cult fantasy by accepting the incarnation see the Book of Hebrews) is anti-American, anti-Christian, non-human (reptilian). They are indistinguishable from pathological liars and psychotic killers worshipping Satan.
I am posting to point out that the article and the entire flap about S. P. not knowing what the Bush doctrine" was is also as stupid as earmark(et)ing Miss Piggy sow as a silk purse poke. It is a pundit designation. She is being questioned in in-group jargon talk. I'd say you lack the brains of Trig Palin and need a mother like her to keep you from aborting yourselves. They destroy the mind of whoever predicates with them about anything.
(Did anyone know that the first pigskins were actually cured pig bladders filled with blood used as a ball moved by brute force Venus worshipping gladiators all around the Mexico Gulf rim where Hurricane Ike is disrupting a lot of G-d's football heroics as we speak? The winners in Venus football were ritually killed as a reward for their valor. )
Posted by jones at 09/13/2008 @ 5:07pm
So, Republicans have finally bit the bullet and put a talking head on the ticket in the form of Sarah Palin. (But wait - weren't the great George W. and Ronald Reagan talking heads?) I predict a 2012 ticket of Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter. It's as if the nation were committing suicide. Eat a few pork rinds and drive a monster truck for me before we all go meet Jesus in the Republican freaking land of Oz above where everything's great and everybody's rich and they can screw over and steal from whomever they choose, and Jesus approves of it. Assholes. Go join the dinosaurs that roamed the earth 4,000 years ago. America is finished with you mugs.
Posted by unnaked at 09/13/2008 @ 10:40pm