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RedditAll agree that this is (or should be) the year of the Democrats. But with candidate Barack Obama still leading, on average, in national polls by only about two to five percentage points, depending on the day, and the media proclaiming "oil" now a "Republican" issue, there's certainly a long way to go to that prospective Democratic victory on November 4th. Still, in retrospect, this last week may be seen as the one in which Senator McCain's campaign concluded that this might not only be the year of the Democrat, but of the Obamacrat as well, and went for the jugular.
Gallup polling, for instance, shows Obama making small but significant gains in every kind of state (red, purple, and blue) over the last two months. At the same time, Obama's world tour--the one McCain and the neocons practically egged him into taking, with all those online tickers showing just how many days since he had last been to Iraq--left the McCain camp in full and bitter gripe mode. In the imagery of advisor and former Senator Phil Gramm, they had become a campaign of "whiners." Meanwhile, the Berlin bounce finally showed up in the polls.
While Obama was wowing the Europeans, McCain managed to get an offshore-oil photo-op in the Gulf of Mexico wiped out by a somehow overlooked advancing hurricane. Instead, he ventured into a grocery store aisle in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, prepped on rising food prices, where he met a "shopper planted by the local Republican Party" and experienced an unfortunate "applesauce avalanche." (The Daily Show version of this is not to be missed.) Not surprisingly, by week's end he was decisively skipping the "issues" and heading for "values" -- that is, directly for the throat in the style which Republicans have, in recent years, made their own.
Earlier in the week, he had practically declared his opponent treasonous for supposedly putting his political campaign ahead of victory in Iraq--"It seems to me that Obama would rather lose a war in order to win a political campaign…"--and launched a classic Republican campaign attack on Obama's "character." His latest ad, which attacks Obama for supposedly going to the gym rather than visiting wounded American soldiers in Germany, typically ends: "McCain, country first." (Versus… uh… Obama, country last?)
It's not exactly surprising that candidate McCain headed for what he hoped was potential "values" and "character" pay dirt (emphasis on "dirt") in tough times. As Ira Chernus -- canny TomDispatch regular and author of Monsters to Destroy: The Neoconservative War on Terror and Sin -- points out in his latest, "War Meets Values on Campaign Trail," it may be McCain's only chance. The question is: Will it work?
Will "character," the culture wars, and security fears help elect the most woeful Republican candidate since Bob Dole--and in a country that not only increasingly doesn't think much of Republicans, but has never cared to vote old? (Ronald Reagan was the exception to this rule, always running young and vigorous, whatever his age.) McCain, in a golf cart being piloted by 84-year-old George H.W. Bush, actually looked older than the former president. And, gee, you might go for the jugular early, too, in a year in which the Republicans don't even control the political machinery of the state of Ohio.
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They are throwing everything INCLUDING the kitchen sink at Obama. Nothing is sticking. They are saying everything they can to stop him pulling out all the stops. The thing is no matter how much the pro-McCain folks want to paint it as "Obama should be ahead" I am in disagreeance. As many times as he has dropped the ball and as many things as he has given the McCain camp to use against him. He is still ahead and slowly but surely gaining distance. Let's see if their next ploy works.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/29/2008 @ 6:40pm
I don't think McCave's negative campaig against Obama will work simply because McCave has confused us voters as to where he himself is actually standing standing. One can't break through a scrimmage line if one's footing isn't squarely planted for the traction needed. I posted this earlier but it makes a lot of sense here:
McCave
In the last 3 months McCave has had only 2% upward movement in positives, from 11 - 13%, while his negatives have had a back and forth 4% movement with and an increase of 1% 'very negative' to 14%. But the biggy is that 27-26% are neutral and 2-3% don't know who he is...
http://www.pollingreport.com/l.htm#McCain
Obama
In the last 3 months Obama on the other hand has had 4% movement in his positives going from 23% to 27% 'very positive' and has had a 3% decreased movement in his 'very negative', from 17% to 11%. But the biggest comparison is that Obama only has 16% that are neutral, with 1-2% not knowing who he is!
http://www.pollingreport.com/o.htm
This is putting the whole argument of Obama as being viewed by the public as the candidate that is questionably an empty suit or undefined-- on it's head. It's really McCave that is being the most confusing to the public.
There is hope after all that the McCave flippy-floppy behavior is actually resonating out there with the public; where it counts.
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/29/2008 @ 6:54pm
If McCave's neg's are the ones moving and his neutral poll numbers are way higher than Obama's, I'd think that would be a big signal to the McCave camp that the neg campaign just isn't working.
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/29/2008 @ 6:58pm
May be having even the opposite effect.
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/29/2008 @ 7:02pm
FAMILY VALUES ...AGAIN..?? Mother of God !! ... When i saw Mcaain going off on family values during an interview, all I could think of was him chasing a hot young fox around the Hors D'oeuvres table with his infirmed wife at home... FAMILY VALUES..??? Give US ALL A BREAK MCcain....
If this is what its coming down to, family values, its time for the Republicans to wave the white flag.
Family Values... Laugh out LOUD... !! Let me tell you a joke about a woman and an Ape......
GTFO...
Posted by Vvf1969 at 07/29/2008 @ 7:17pm
Now, come on, Mr. Engelhardt,..........
There is a smattering of actual goodness honesty out there where some Magic Cultists are actually a bit perturbed & wondering where is the Love Bounce? After all, the focused MSM adulation for almost 10 days--including all 3 network anchors--and the world-wide worshiping bestowed on His Magicness, shouldn't he at least match the spread past Demo Nominee-to-be had at roughly the same point in time?
The beauty of being the underdog within striking range is.....it's NOT as hard to stay #2 as it is to stay on top.......just ask HRC, and Kerry, and Dukakis, Gore, Lamont,....:~)
Posted by 2HAPPY at 07/29/2008 @ 7:36pm
Posted by 2HAPPY at 07/29/2008 @ 7:36pm
It is hard when you have nothing to offer beyond more of the same dish people don't want.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/29/2008 @ 7:47pm
Are you guys done whining about Obama's trip overseas and the MSM's coverage of said succesfull tour..?? That all you got..?? Weak.
Posted by Vvf1969 at 07/29/2008 @ 7:47pm
....people don't want.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/29/2008 @ 7:47pm
Well, then how about 10 to 1?
Posted by 2HAPPY at 07/29/2008 @ 8:00pm
After fearmongering fails, McCain will crash and burn in the end with a "vote for me because I am white" campaign, just like Hillary.
America - at least most Americans - are tired of this racial nonsense, and feel they can move beyond race by electing Barack Obama.
Posted by Metteyya at 07/29/2008 @ 8:31pm
The McCain campaign will sink lower. Getting closer to November, expect all of the Willie Horton re-runs the Clinton campaign tried to rely on from the McCain campaign.
Posted by Zero at 07/29/2008 @ 8:52pm
Well, then how about 10 to 1? Posted by 2HAPPY at 07/29/2008 @ 8:00pm
I told you wait till the debates. Once we get into the thick of it I will treat you right.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/29/2008 @ 8:53pm
The McCain campaign will sink lower. Getting closer to November, expect all of the Willie Horton re-runs the Clinton campaign tried to rely on from the McCain campaign. Posted by Zero at 07/29/2008 @ 8:52pm
I expect closer to November the gloves will come off and the race card will start getting played hard. I expect it will not be directly attributed to McCain unless he makes some off the cuff comment when he thinks the cameras aren't looking but I fully expect to see some "Do you want a black man leading you?" ads. I am just waiting for McCains insane outburst. I just have a feeling he is going to say SOMETHING he shouldn't when he thinks no one is paying attention.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/29/2008 @ 8:57pm
Why wait? You sound more confident every day?
Posted by 2HAPPY at 07/29/2008 @ 8:57pm
Why wait? You sound more confident every day? Posted by 2HAPPY at 07/29/2008 @ 8:57pm
Because odds don't change until the probabilities change. The stats haven't changed yet we still are where we were when I initiated. Just hold your horses Happ.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/29/2008 @ 9:00pm
I find it curious that a great number of media are "surprised" that Obama doesn't have more of a lead, and seemingly the same day wonder if the "Bradley/Wilder effect" will kick in.
News flash: it already did. The bruising Primary campaign gave certain voters the "green light" to not fudge on their voter preference. So the polling we see has the "effect" baked in already. I will also add that a good number of "Joe and Jane Undecided" are waiting for McCain to give them a reason to vote FOR him. If his campaign fails to deliver that element soon after the Conventions, Obama might rack up 230 (or more) EVs east of the Mississippi.
Posted by Egalitare at 07/29/2008 @ 9:09pm
Looks like the Obamanation demonization squad is out in force at the nehhhtion mag blog doing the bidding of the Undemocrat party.
B. Hussein Obama (aka Alibama) is falling on his own sword with his empty suited rhetoric. How could "charactor" be a problem for him as being one is all he has credential wise to recommend him?
He does resemble Dewey somewhat, but we all know what happened to him!
Posted by RedRiver_. at 07/29/2008 @ 9:37pm
Just a quick comment. The pilot of the helicopter that went down in the blackhawk incident in Somalia was on Hannity and he ripped Obama a new asshole because he went to shoot basketballs instead of visiting the troops in Germany. As we know, Obama decided not to go visit the wounded because the Pentagon wouldn't let him bring cameras and it spoiled his big photo op. So he went to the gym to shoot basketballs instead. Perhaps Barry is more cut out to be a guard for the Chicago Bulls instead of Commander In Chief. I know a lot of wounded amputees in Germany who think so. That's all.
Posted by frankgrits at 07/29/2008 @ 10:00pm
Perhaps Barry is more cut out to be a guard for the Chicago Bulls instead of Commander In Chief.----Posted by frankgrits at 07/29/2008 @ 10:00pm
"because black people are good at basketball"...but he means it in the "good way" (like "mulatto", "boy", and "painting robots black"!)
I know a lot of wounded amputees in Germany who think so. That's all.----Posted by frankgrits at 07/29/2008 @ 10:00pm
No, you don't. That's called a "lie".
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/29/2008 @ 10:48pm
Posted by 2HAPPY at 07/29/2008 @ 8:57pm
Less duplicitious than FRANK, less rabid than RIO....
HAPP, straight up....do you honestly think McCain is running a good campaign?
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/29/2008 @ 10:49pm
I know a lot of wounded amputees in Germany who think so. That's all.
Posted by frankgrits at 07/29/2008 @ 10:00pm
i took you off ignore because i don't like ignore.
but you are worse than almost any other poster.
even the racist ones try to hide it.
but you,
you have morally died.
<click>
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/29/2008 @ 11:00pm
" I know a lot of wounded amputees in Germany"
name one, frank.
serious. give us one name.....
Posted by darladoon at 07/29/2008 @ 11:27pm
Posted by frankgrits at 07/29/2008 @ 10:00pm
Actually you should get your facts straight frank. The Pentagon wouldn't let him go because it was being paid for by CAMPAIGN money. Because it's being paid for by campaign money it is considered a campaign stop which means it's political which they didn't want it to be. Jesus try harder to lie about things. You suck more than the Republicans at your lies.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/30/2008 @ 12:39am
" Obama's cancelled troops visit sparks flap Related News Mr. Obama's Road Trip Washington Post - 1 hour ago McCain Charge Against Obama Lacks Evidence Washington Post - 2 hours ago A Canceled Obama Visit, and the Story Behind It New York Times - 4 hours ago Full coverage » ©2008 Google - Map data ©2008 NAVTEQ™ - Terms of Use Pentagon advised Obama on military hospital visit 4 days ago WASHINGTON (AFP) -- The Pentagon advised Senator Barack Obama's staff that he could visit a US military hospital in Germany only in his official capacity as a member of Congress, without the trappings of a political campaign, Pentagon officials said Friday. Obama, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, cancelled the visit Friday to wounded soldiers at the military hospital in Landstuhl, Germany after deciding the stop would be inappropriate as part of a trip financed by his campaign, a spokesman said."
Sounds a lot more noble than your stupid lie.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/30/2008 @ 12:42am
It's also a little better than McCain making campaign stops out of nothing but spite. Not because he gives a shit about the people in Berlin, Chicago but just so he can pretend to care about them.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/30/2008 @ 12:43am
Posted by frankgrits at 07/29/2008 @ 10:00pm
Also what is hilarious about this point as that he already HAS visited wounded troops without cameras. So obviously ignorant assertion is proven false by the fact that he already has visited without cameras. So maybe instead of making things up to satisfy your own lust you should try putting the facts together. If he didn't want to go without cameras then why did he visit wounded soldiers in Baghdad without Cameras? Or why did he go to Walter Reed without cameras?
This is amateur logic here frank. Use it.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/30/2008 @ 12:46am
"There is a smattering of actual goodness honesty out there where some Magic Cultists are actually a bit perturbed & wondering where is the Love Bounce? After all, the focused MSM adulation for almost 10 days--including all 3 network anchors--and the world-wide worshiping bestowed on His Magicness, shouldn't he at least match the spread past Demo Nominee-to-be had at roughly the same point in time?"-HAPPY
ummm, Happy, McCain practically begged Obama to go to the two failed war theatres, now he whines about the media coverage?
And did you hear MCain call Americans "angry"? He must hate Americans.
------
And the neo-cons whining about this stupid non-visit to soldiers is just damn weak, weak, weak crap. Next thing you know they will be saying O is some kind of Muslim.
Posted by crabwalk at 07/30/2008 @ 07:35am
Next thing you know they will be saying O is some kind of Muslim.----Posted by crabwalk at 07/30/2008 @ 07:35am
What do you mean "next" thing?
LOL
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/30/2008 @ 07:49am
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/30/2008 @ 07:49am
The Party of Values would never stoop so low as to apread false information about a presidential candiate, would they? I mean after all, they have the issues, God and the "mainstream" on their side.
Spreading false information would appear, to this librool mentally imbalanced bloggger, to be "bringing false witness" against a fellow Christian. We all know that is a sin, agin' the Ten Suggestions brought forth from The Mount by Chuck Heston (I heard he kept them in a pouch with his 30-06). What could that say about our friends on the hard right, that they want The Ten mounted like statues of Saddam throughout our land, but will not speak vociferously in defense of their fellow Christians against lies?
Posted by crabwalk at 07/30/2008 @ 09:35am
Posted by crabwalk at 07/30/2008 @ 09:35am
"It's not lying if you believe it"---George Costanza
LOL
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/30/2008 @ 09:55am
It now becomes increasingly apparent, that journalists, (and I use the term loosely), like McCave's campaign, are reaching for every tiny nuanced morsel coming from Obama and his campaign to create a story-- a worm-hole into a mountain. While simultaneously continue reducing the allowable light passage through MSM blinders they call binoculars, to diminish illuminating the enormity of failure that is the McCave campaign-- a mountain into a fuzzy little rabbit-hole.
What hasn't happened, is that the conditioned MSM cowardly approach to all things 'new con repub', falling into the previous Rovian traps. Remember all the hsuB campaign political black ops, where made-up stuff was mysteriously fed to the MSM only to be proven false and which then allowed for the media "liberal biased" label hook. The uptake is that the MSM now fears laying out all the 'facts' concerning new con repub corruption until the proof is overwhelming and a foregone anticlimax. Long gone are the Woodward and Bernstein's digging up 'new' and 'clear' corruption. We're left with a Pavlovian conditioned slobbering MSM that pees in it's own pants whenever a negative article bubbles into their minds, which then leads to inaction or the pee stained pivot to run the other way or the embarrassing aside comment that lets the audience know it's no big deal, pleadingly requesting that one not go there... Their voices lower or they snicker, anything to lower expectations. Is it fearing they'll be yelled at by new con repubs or is it that their bosses are new con repubs?
Has KO even listed 'all' the disastrous McCave campaign flubs, missteps, contradictions, etc. the way he does hsuB's? A large, long and growing list of failure. There really is no symmetry, scale or proportion to Obama's successful and by that comparison, much more honest campaign. Is it really fairness or is it fearness that the MSM isn't hitting McCave's campaign for all the brazen distortions and falsehoods they're throwing out?
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/30/2008 @ 09:56am
Not only did McCain reverse himself twice in the same paragraph talking about the easy victory in Iraq on Larry King last night, he is doing, I think, exactly what the Obama campaign wants him to do. He isn't talking at all about what he brings to the table (other than a bib at this point).
It is my belief that Obama is trusting the sense of the people and his own confidence, and knows that he will absolutely destroy McCain in debates. Does anyone remember when Gore was given a goon's task to go on TV with Ross Perot and keep interrupting him until he snapped? After five minutes of Perot repeating "can I finish" while everyone sat and stared, he was branded a psycho.
Watch for it.
Posted by napalminthemorning at 07/30/2008 @ 10:05am
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/30/2008 @ 09:56am
My view on McCain and his campaign is that they are really not that good at it.
Thing to keep in mind is that aside from his 2000 bid (where Bush and Rove smeared him in South Carolina and killed his run)...he's never faced that tough a campaign, especially in the last few cycles of his re-elections to the Senate.
He was typically VERY safe in his seat, and Arizona moderate Republican and pretty solid at that.
So...now he's facing a REAL fight, and is stuck between wanting to SOUND like he wants to run a "clean, positive campaign"...and his advisors (including Rove) telling him to get dirty and throw any poo he can fling at Obama. He tries both...and thus looks like he's flailing and desperate.
The Obama Trip blew up badly in his face...given it was HIS (McCain's) idea in the first place. He's only holding what "support" he has...because the Hard Right is fearful of Obama, not because they like McCain.
So...he's a poor campaigner...with little support...trying to run both a clean AND a dirty campaign.
Hardly a strategy for success.
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/30/2008 @ 10:05am
Posted by darladoon at 07/29/2008 @ 11:27pm
Figure of speech. Get over yourself.
Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 10:14am
Posted by napalminthemorning at 07/30/2008 @ 10:05am
Consider this...
Obama beat ...the Clintons.
THE premiere campaigners and political strategists of the last 20 years...and he beat them (two of them).
Now he faces McCain, who as I noted, has hardly ever fought a tough race in his life and looks like he's flailing and desperate, while he's still just down by the Margin of Error.
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/30/2008 @ 10:15am
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/30/2008 @ 12:39am
What you aren't understanding in your susceptability of being conned by the Obama campaign is that Obama could have gone as an official visit. He's a United States Senator. No Senator is refused visitation to the wounded troops on an official visit. Obama chose, yes, he chose not to go so he went to a gym and shot baskets. Sooner or later, you'll have to accept the truth.
Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 10:18am
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/30/2008 @ 12:46am
Not in Germany he hasn't . That is significent because that is the hospital that seriously wounded war troops have to stay and recover before they can be flown home to the states.
Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 10:20am
Posted by crabwalk at 07/30/2008 @ 07:35am
Name one politician who gets to bring three main anchors with him as a mere Presidential candidate.
Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 10:22am
Posted by Metteyya at 07/29/2008 @ 8:31pm
That's funny. Isn't Obama running a vote for me because I'm black campaign with the black community? Wasn't that the basis of his charge that Hillary dissed MLK? 98%.
Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 10:23am
I'd like to stay and chat but this is one democrat who has to go to work. Not that there aren't others of course. Lighten up, I'm kidding. Later
Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 10:26am
I was one of those wounded amputee troops(Viet Nam) and the last thing that we wanted was a visit from some politician who was trying to score points with voters,but we did enjoy it when some movie stars came to visit.FrankGrits is blissfully ignorant about wounded troops.You are in pain both mentally and physically and you don't need some politician to visit you because that's a pain with all the security,etc.Franks desire to see politicians use visits to wounded troops in order to score political points shows his lack of concern for wounded troops.
Posted by i'm nobody at 07/30/2008 @ 10:35am
What is the senile old war hero thinking? If there was anything that; woulda, coulda, shoulda, driven me into the Obama camp, it was the the week that was. Who the hell is advising the McCain campaign? The next thing we will hear coming out of the old fool's mouth is that they landed under sniper fire in Texas. To focus attention on Obama's Germany stop with an add that literally lies about the incident by showing Obama playing basketball with the troops during a different country visit is stupid at best, sheer lunacy at worst. Focusing on the fact that 250,000 people actually showed up for Obama's speech in Germany is literally insane. That speech shows me how much other countries want us to change our directions, it also indicates to me that the world hate we have engendered isn't irreparable, unless we continue the Lieberman/McCain world view.
ex patriot from the GOP. This is no longer the grand old party of my dad's day. I can hear Magaret Chase Smith crying now.
Posted by julien38 at 07/30/2008 @ 10:58am
Relax, it's summer, enjoy the sunshine, because summer polls mean nada.
Tune in again in time for the 1st TV debate, and the polls a week later.
And guess what that & the following debates will yield?
No contest.
Posted by sloper at 07/30/2008 @ 11:05am
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/4/hillary-clinton-for-president
'...Dear DNC, I have voted Democratic since I cast my first vote for George McGovern in 1972, and I am still proud of that vote! However, 2008 is a different circumstance. Since Chairman Dean and the Rules and Bylaws of the Democratic Party stole votes from Senator Clinton, and gave them to candidate Obama. I will not, and cannot vote for Barack Obama because of the totally disrespectful treatment of Senator Clinton by the DNC, and the news media, not to mention the distortion of her views by Mr. Obama. Since Mr. Obama apparently has no intention of selecting Senator Clinton as his running mate, I will write in the name of Hillary Clinton for President on my Ohio ballot which is permitted in the State of Ohio. Hillary Clinton is the very BEST candidate prepared for the Presidency on day one, no on the job training, which Mr. Obama will require, much like the current President....' -- Jack McIntyre Jr, Ohio -- #175
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Posted by hsuBfools at 07/30/2008 @ 11:46am
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/30/2008 @ 10:05am
I still think the 'talking heads' in the MSM have to grow some balls and get intellectually curious or get a different job. It is really gotten ridiculous how easy new con repub smears flow through MSM mouths almost entirely unimpeded.
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/30/2008 @ 11:53am
er, It is really () ridiculous how easy new con repub smears flow through MSM mouths almost entirely unimpeded.
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/30/2008 @ 11:57am
(dis)HONESTlibrool, what "votes" were stolen from Clinton?
Or is it because O is a scary Muslim?
Or is FRANK right, O should have used the injured soldiers as a campaign stop, like Chimpy MCFlightsuit woulda' dun?
Can't the Clinton/McCain campaign keep their fearmongering straight?
Posted by crabwalk at 07/30/2008 @ 12:09pm
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/30/2008 @ 11:46am
The "depth" of FRANK's political thinking is evidenced by the fact that he's still harping on a WEEK OLD Republican talking point.
If he was as smart as he claimed...he'd have new material!
LOL
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/30/2008 @ 12:10pm
er, It is really () ridiculous how easy new con repub smears flow through MSM mouths almost entirely unimpeded.
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/30/2008 @ 11:57am
Due to the media being full of librools that hate America, no doubt.
Or, is it because activist judges (72% appointed by republicans) want to see the homosexual agenda succeed in bringing down the property distribution legallity we call marriage?
WOW, I just cannot keep up with all of the liberal world domination plots we have running now. Does anybody have the current list?
Posted by crabwalk at 07/30/2008 @ 12:12pm
Careful Masky, you just might LOL right off your chair.
It is campaigns like this that keep John Stewart gainfully employed, while many of us laugh while crying. good thing we keep "third parties" off the ticket, it could really bring down the seriousness of the issues at stake. I mean really, these clowns make Uncle Ralph look more and more sane and reasonable.
Posted by crabwalk at 07/30/2008 @ 12:16pm
Sooner or later, you'll have to accept the truth. Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 10:18a
Yes he could have forced his way in. But he also could have had the good sense to know that it was a campaign stop and not gone. Because even IF he went in a Senatorial capacity it would be viewed as a political stop. Maybe you should learn to put two and two together Frank. Accept the truth you don't care what Obama does you are going to find some way to criticize everything. If he HAD gone right now you would be saying that "he just turned our troops into a PR moment."
Explain to me why he went to Walter Reed and Hospitals in Iraq without cameras if the only point was for photo ops?
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/30/2008 @ 12:26pm
Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 10:18a
You don't employ simple logic to your arguments. You are just looking for any opportunity to make a disparaging comment about Obama. More proof of your sore loser logic when you have to sit here and constantly berate the man even if he gets something right. You don't like him not because you don't like his politics. You don't like HIM. A man that you don't even know. Only a true Kool-Aid drinker can think like you do.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/30/2008 @ 12:28pm
is it just me, or does the title 'let's play right wing blogger' imply that there would be a chance to actually do so?
so how come it's one of those new fangled 'no comments' threads of which The Nation is becoming increasingly fond?
Posted by skeletonman at 07/30/2008 @ 12:28pm
Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 10:18a
You know Frank. The more I listen to you, the more I hear someone who is less enthused about the candidate they support and more enthused about making someone else lose. You never really say positive things about McCain. The few times you do it's the same thing over and over which leads me to believe he has nothing else positive about him other than having been captured. However EVERY time there is a chance you say something negative about Obama. I was willing to believe you when you said you just were in support of McCain because he was the better candidate. Not so much anymore. If you were in support of McCain you would be speaking more positively about him and less negatively about Obama. You are in this to punish Obama for taking it away from Hillary. Not to help McCain.
This is proven by the fact that you can ignore very simple logic in order to create a reality for youself. You say that the majority of Hillary voters, over 50% are not voting for Obama. However he is still ahead. Which means he HAS to have over 50% of Hillary voters. There is no logical way to make up the difference. You routinely ignore logical thought in order to make these wild assertions about Obama. You don't care about who wins all you care about is punishing the person who took it away from you queen. I am believing you less and less every day when you say that's not what it is about.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/30/2008 @ 12:36pm
This "attack style politics" is a practice in our political process that we have accepted as being "the way it is done".
I have one question, is this the way we teach our children to behave? To attack their competitors whether in school or sports, why then should it be acceptable behavior from a leading politician running for the highest office in the land?
It speaks more to the American mind set and what has become acceptable behavior in society. It reflects a truly sad state for all Americans
Posted by nerakami at 07/30/2008 @ 12:48pm
It speaks more to the American mind set and what has become acceptable behavior in society. It reflects a truly sad state for all Americans Posted by nerakami at 07/30/2008 @ 12:48pm
I kinda have to agree with you. We constantly tell our children not to name call and then when politicians name call we wave it off.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/30/2008 @ 1:29pm
The MSM can be a fair exposer of truth and falsehood when it prefers to be:
WaPo: McCain's Troop Attack Just Wrong
July 30, 2008 09:31 AM
http://tinyurl.com/64vkuv
So why is its preference to 'not' to be a fair exposer of truth and falsehood?
I do not believe the new con repub attack machine is viewed as an accepted behavior in our society-- I think it is only tolerated. Otherwise Obama would be in 2nd place not 1st and McCave's poll's would be a lot better.
McCave's favorability polls show almost twice as many people sitting on the fence about him than Obama. And it's McCaves neg's that are on the upswing while Obama's positives are on an upswing. Could Obama's poll number be even better without McCave's neg campaign against Obama-- sure. But we should devalue the US citizenry to catch on, eventually.
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/30/2008 @ 1:32pm
It speaks more to the American mind set and what has become acceptable behavior in society. It reflects a truly sad state for all Americans
Posted by nerakami at 07/30/2008 @ 12:48pm
i hear obama and mccain are going to duke it out on IFL.
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/30/2008 @ 1:32pm
er, But we should 'not' devalue the US citizenry to catch on, eventually.
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/30/2008 @ 1:35pm
The "Have you no shame"-- moment is coming I'm sure.
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/30/2008 @ 1:36pm
But 'til then-- a "Day After Tomorrow" moment:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7532435.stm
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/30/2008 @ 1:40pm
er, 'The Day After Tomorrow'
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/30/2008 @ 1:45pm
And we need to be intelligent about poll methodology and which ones have valid science structure; i.e. those that weigh repub's heavier per their level of rabidity as in the last NY Times/Gallup that states that McCave has a 4% lead. Because:
"The Democratic Party has also built a substantial edge among independent voters. Of the 37% who claim no party identification, 15% lean Democratic, 10% lean Republican, and 12% have no leaning either way.
By comparison, in 2004 about equal numbers of independents leaned toward both parties. When "leaners" are combined with partisans, however, the Democratic Party now holds a 14-point advantage among voters nationwide (51% Dem/lean-Dem to 37% Rep/lean-Rep), up from a three-point advantage four years ago."
http://tinyurl.com/3cgtzy
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/30/2008 @ 1:59pm
Particularly because Obama has a great ability to inspire.
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/30/2008 @ 2:03pm
And McCave's ability to neutralize his own stance.
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/30/2008 @ 2:11pm
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/30/2008 @ 12:36pm
CCC, FRANK has ADMITTED that it's not about supporting McCain, but garnering 2012 for Hillary...AND "avenging her".
His feigned support of McCain is shallow...and easily (if regretably) disproved if McCain wins. Almost immediately FG will lay into McCain attacking him at every instance to "soften him up" for Hillary's run in 2012. (as well as an attempt to re-gain cred here at TN blog.)
Keep that in mind...it is NEVER about McCain with FRANK...it's about HER!
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/30/2008 @ 2:47pm
I want Karl Rove to get raped in prison.
Posted by napalminthemorning at 07/30/2008 @ 2:56pm
You all need to get a grip. There is absolution no good reason for Obama refusing to visit our wounded troops in Germany. Not at all. So stop all the excuses and whining.
Look at it this way. A young man or woman volunteers for service and ends up in Iraq or Afghaniston. Sadly, that young man/woman gets blown up by an IED and ends up losing an arm or a leg or both or maybe their eyesight or end up a quadraplegic in our military hospital. Now, they go through all kinds of shit and feel like their life is over but they hear that there's a guy named Barack Obama running who's exciting everyone. They'd love to meet him and hear that he's coming to Germany. They know they'll meet him then.
So the day comes for his visit and these badly wounded troops are told that Obama won't be coming afterall. They hear all kinds of excuses like who's gonna pay for it or that cameras weren't going to be allowed or worst of all, Obama went to the gym to shoot hoops.
Get the point?
Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 3:50pm
McCain's been there several times.
Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 3:50pm
I see that FrankGrits is still trying to use wounded troops in order to do propaganda with.Frank needs to start caring about those troops and not use them as part of his temper tantrum.
Posted by i'm nobody at 07/30/2008 @ 4:03pm
vI want Karl Rove to get raped in prison. Posted by napalminthemorning at 07/30/2008 @ 2:56pm
Gee, all I wanted was a frog march.
----
Frank, quite the convoluted tangle you have yourself in. I see you are now taking Rush's words and style as good. Pretty sad, really.
I heard Obama is going to deny all benefits to veterans and their widows. All the orphans will have to beg in the street whilst O and M sing praises to Muhammad and Death to America. Spread the word.
Posted by crabwalk at 07/30/2008 @ 4:31pm
I remember when Frank would use terms like "For the good of the Democratic Party".
what happened to that, Frank? Back when fitty-foot Queenie had a chance, you were telling the rest of us to button it up so that the dems would not lose the only chance at regaining the WH, that if any republican got in it would mean that Bush gets away with everything .Now you are doing all you can to prevent it
Posted by crabwalk at 07/30/2008 @ 4:34pm
I want Karl Rove to get raped in prison. Posted by napalminthemorning at 07/30/2008 @ 2:56pm
As much chance of that happening to Rove as to Scooter Libby.
Xmas time is pardon time. W will be a busy boy this coming holiday season, dropping tender mercies all over the place.
Posted by sloper at 07/30/2008 @ 5:25pm
Get the point?
Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 3:50pm
Yep, it's that you're full of shit.
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/30/2008 @ 5:38pm
Posted by crabwalk at 07/30/2008 @ 4:31pm
What words? Nobody puts words in my mouth, least of all Rush Limbaugh.
Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 5:43pm
"Voting 20-14 along party lines, the House Judiciary Committee said that Rove had broken the law by failing to appear at a July 10 hearing on allegations of White House influence over the Justice Department, including whether Rove encouraged prosecutions against Democrats such as former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman."
Yep the hsuB/cHeney admin the unitary exec ala dic'tatorship, can take a big disgusting dump in the middle of congresses chambers and the new con repub dic'tatorship worshippers would do absolutely nothing. Anyone that votes for a new con repub is plainly un-American.
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/30/2008 @ 5:47pm
Posted by crabwalk at 07/30/2008 @ 4:34pm
You may not understand this but I'm supporting John McCain 'for the good of the democratic party' and the rest of America as well.
I'm not preventing everything. I'm simply supporting the candidate that I feel is the most fit to lead our nation. I honestly and trruthfully do not feel that Barack Obama could even carry John Mccain's water. Ooops, now I guess I'll hear from the closet bigots here that that is another racial statement. Sad what this site has become when people can't even discuss race without being labled huh?
Finally, I think I've been crystal clear for anyone who can comprehend the english language. As I've said over and over again, this is a win/win election for me for the first time in my life. I'm not all gaga for Obama the way some people are around here. I feel that Hillary was the best candidate for many reasons and now I feel that McCain is. It's really that simple. There's no hidden agenda.
Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 5:49pm
I was pleased to see Sen. Ted Stevens indicted yesterday.
Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 5:50pm
Regarding false claims:
Congressman Dennis Kucinich said in relation to the claims used by the Bush Administration to justify the invasion of Iraq:
... last Friday was a day of singular importance in Washington. The House Judiciary Committee met to discuss the Bush Administration's abuse of executive power and for the first time the case for Impeachment was discussed in front of a Congressional committee, in depth, at length and with authority.
Twenty members of the Judiciary Committee attended the six hour hearing, during which twelve witnesses, including myself and four members of Congress testified. In this hearing I called for the Impeachment of the President for misrepresenting a case for war.
This week I will present members of Congress with Impeachment petitions submitted by those of you who have signed the on-line impeachment form.
I need your help. In the next few days we must redouble our efforts to get more signatures on the online petition at [Link]. I'm asking each of you to please contact at least ten of your friends to go to www.Kucinich.us now and sign the Impeachment petition that will be delivered by me. Wednesday night is the deadline.
Please send out an email to all your friends and family, post this link, http://kucinich.us to your blogs and make this effort count as this is the only petition that I will deliver.
Thank you so very much. Dennis Cleveland | OH | 44111 | 216-252-9000
Posted by cedecor at 07/30/2008 @ 9:15pm
'You never really say positive things about McCain.'
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/30/2008 @ 12:36pm
This is another reason why I question your reading comprehension. I've reiterated over and over again that John McCain is a genuine American hero who deserves the Presidency for that reason but also for the years he's served America in Congress and the Senate. I've also said that I don't consider him to be a run of the mill republican and think that he will work very well with the democratic Congress. I also said that he's be a fair President.
Take some advice from me. Get over your fascination with Obama whether it's because you like the way he inspires you or because you identify with his etnicity and take an objective look at McCain. You need to stop being so angry and argumentative and think rationally. I have no problem with your voting for Obama.
Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 9:36pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/30/2008 @ 2:47pm
Sorry dillweed but in this election it's about McCain. If Hillary runs again I will support her and if she runs against President McCain, I'll be voting for her. Is that good enough for you because if it's not, then it's really time to get help.
Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 9:40pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/30/2008 @ 12:10pm
This is a very important issue and it says reems about Obama's character and what he thinks of our troops. I think that it revealed something that many Americans fear about him. He hasn't a clue. You can laugh all you want but I don't think those guys that were looking forward to meeting him are laughing.
Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 9:44pm
Explain to me why he went to Walter Reed and Hospitals in Iraq without cameras if the only point was for photo ops?
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/30/2008 @ 12:26pm
Walter Reed is in the United States. The hospital in Germany is where our troops are taken immediately after they are stabilized and spend a long time there until they can be flown back to the states. It is in no way excusable for Obama to shun that visit for ANY reason. This will be his downfall.
Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 9:47pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/30/2008 @ 12:10pm
You'd love to see this issue go away wouldn't you Dillweed?
Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 9:49pm
As more smelly brown stuff is tossed at Obama, he is going to look better and better. Remember the stuff that was sent Jackie Robinson's way when he integrated MLB? He retained his dignity and he won out by playing the game very, very well. Barack Obama is the Jackie Robinson of politics - a superb player who knows who he is. My bet is on him.
Posted by midnight04 at 07/30/2008 @ 10:53pm
Posted by midnight04 at 07/30/2008 @ 10:53pm
Your severe MYOPIA is missing the smear and feces slinging that Obamanation and his minions are throwing all over McCain. Another example of severe hypocrisy from the left as usual1
Posted by RedRiver_. at 07/30/2008 @ 11:13pm
This will be his downfall. Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 9:47pm
Uhhh. Then why did he visit the ones in Iraq. I notice you conveniently chose to ignore that portion.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 01:53am
Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 9:36pm
Hmm. I have told you multiple times that Obama wasn't my first choice. I am not fascinated with him. I don't care if he is black, by the way I like that you automatically decide that I must be voting for him because I am black. I choose Obama because I know McCain will destroy this country more than Bush did. I have said this multiple times.
Maybe YOU should work on your reading comprehension you hypocrite.
"You never really say positive things about McCain. The few times you do it's the same thing over and over which leads me to believe he has nothing else positive about him other than having been captured."
Maybe you should try quoting my entire statement instead of just part of it ya moron. THIS is why you have a problem with reading comprehension. You can't even bother to read the whole sentence to see that I said EXACTLY what you said after reposting my comment.
Jesus Frank you are so transparent it's amazing. No wonder everyone thinks you are a sham. You don't even bother to try to hide that you are nothing more than lies and deceit. You fit right in with the Roves of this world.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 01:57am
ouch!
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 02:20am
here, rover!
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 02:21am
What words? Nobody puts words in my mouth, least of all Rush Limbaugh. Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 5:43pm |
Really?
Boy, this sounds a lot like the talking points coming out of Rush's mouth...
"It is in no way excusable for Obama to shun that visit for ANY reason. This will be his downfall." Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 9:47pm
Posted by crabwalk at 07/31/2008 @ 08:31am
Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 9:49pm
FRANK, I'll guarentee YOU are still talking about it in a month....
while even HAPPY, LVLIB, and PONTI have moved on to a new GOP talking point from Limbaugh and Fox.
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/31/2008 @ 08:56am
"McCain Lunges for the Jugular" should read, "McCain stumbles for the jugular."
McCain's behavior emulates the symptoms of early dementia: his crazy comments include; Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, wanting to talk with the Communist guards on the Berlin wall, wanting to visit West Germany where Helmut Kohl is President, wanting to visit the Soviet Union and to speak to their President, Boris Yeltsin, his position on Gay adoption, his complete lack of understanding of whether he supports AIDS aid and contraception in Africa, his inability to explain where the extra NATO troops would come from for Afghanistan (he switched between three options, one of them one of the countries referred to by him which no longer exists,) but really he didn't know, his lack of knowledge of the Sunni and Shiite involvement in Iraq and Iran and Al Qaeda's religious affiliation, and his statement about the Sunni and Shiite groups, allegedly saying: "....who cares who they are, they are all terrorists anyway.....", his repetition (up to four more times after being corrected) of his incorrect statements, his gaffe in Israel insulting religious Jews when he called Purim "Their Halloween", his song, adapted from the Beach Boys' "Barbara Ann", and sung by him at a North Carolina venue; "Bomb Iran, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran", and his mistakes in describing how he misled his torturers in Vietnam by quoting the names of a U.S. football team (but his explanation made in Pittsburg at an election stop, and in his book, quoted names that didn't exist during his Vietnam experience), and so on......
Let me share two of these moments which were seen by a psychologist in the first case, and a medical doctor in the second case (I admit that I do not know if my sources are reliable, but their interpretation of McCain's behavior in these instances suggest that we should be very concerned if they are true):
Green Zone Follies:February 25, 2008[link to www.tbrnews.org]. Here is just a personal vignette of an experience I and my psychologist buddy had with the Republican probable nominee, Senator McCain. There was the Senator all by himself, sitting on a folding chair by a card table. Then his lips moved but he said nothing. He looked up and smiled. (My wife's grandfather did just that.) And the Senator may have been sitting right near us but believe me, he was somewhere else. Then he began a conversation with someone who wasn't there. We started to go back the way we came when some civilian came in. "It's time to go to the meeting, John," but McCain just smiled and kept on talking to the table. The civilian said, "All right, gentlemen, time to go. The Senator is very tired and has jet lag." And when we left, the Senator was talking complete nonsense. Later, one of the staff personnel told both of us that the Senator had "a little accident" and he had to change his pants. My friend, who is a pro, said he was very obviously suffering from pre-Alzheimer's and believe me, although I am not trained, this one was a pure space case. They must know this.
From a diary entry by Ben Marble, MD: While watching interviews with John McCain over the past few years there seems to have been a noticeable decline in his intellect. Now he claims 'it just didn't happen' with respect to Thad Cochran's statement that McCain grabbed a Sandinista guy by the collar.....either McCain is lying, or worse yet he may have dementia and thus actually believes it didn't happen.
This is a very serious problem. Should McCain continue as a potential president of the U.S. or should he be forced to withdraw now? Indications suggest that his dementia is in its early stages, but do we need a president whose mental state can only deteriorate if he gets in to the White House.
Chris Morton
Posted by chris0304 at 07/31/2008 @ 09:38am
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 01:57am
Wow! Guess I've touched a nerve huh? You seem to be an awfully angry young man with an awful lot of time on his hands. Do you work?
Posted by frankgrits at 07/31/2008 @ 1:10pm
Do you work? Posted by frankgrits at 07/31/2008 @ 1:10pm
Yep I make middle class wages.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 1:40pm
Posted by frankgrits at 07/31/2008 @ 1:10pm
I live on the pacific coast. So 1:57 in Nation time is actually 11 my time. Which is just before I go to sleep.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 1:50pm
I think it was Goldsmith who wrote about a mad dog and ended the poem with the words "the dog it was that died." I do think someone ought to give him a copy of the poem as a memento mori and a cautionary tale.
He may indeed take the low road but there are some nasty critters in the dirt and he is walking with bare feet.
Posted by midnight04 at 07/31/2008 @ 7:31pm
"You seem to be an awfully angry young man with an awful lot of time on his hands. Do you work?"
Posted by frankgrits at 07/31/2008 @ 1:10pm
The reference to youth indicates that you do not think that CCC is retired. Therefore, the question of employment is an offhanded conservative dig, a la Maasch or Pontificus. We see that thought process here frequently.
The inconsistency with this approach lies in the notion that someone who didn't care enough to work for a living would care enough about politics to involve themselves in a blog.
I fail to see the logic in that.
Posted by drhammer at 08/01/2008 @ 1:52pm
Posted by drhammer at 08/01/2008 @ 1:52pm
FRANK ad homs pretty unoriginal (as is most of his new anti-Obama material...he'd dispute it, but guarentee it neatly parallels Rush's "opening monologue").
And YES, he is starting to sound more and more like MAASCH and PONTI. (Actually less MAASCH, as JM is apparently resigning himself to an Obama win.)
Note also his use of HOMOPHOBIC put-downs as well as the more mundane sexist ones like "little girl".
Though OLD FRANK (pre-Jan. 2008) often referred to himself inclusively as part of the "progressive movement"...he really smells of an old style Robert Byrd/Zell Miller Southern Democrat who cast his first vote for Jack Kennedy though "he knew Kennedy wouldn't do something outrageous to help the coloreds...just treat 'em a bit nicer!"
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/01/2008 @ 2:45pm
It's clear from this chain of posts that Frank "The Troll" Grits is the poster boy for McCainian propoganda, parroting the lies of McCain's desperation ads as if repetion will make them true (a strategy embraced--among countless others--by Spiro T. Agnew before he was forced to resign). Frank, you seem like an intelligent guy; I'm a bit surprised you would permit yourself to be used in this way, putting yourself in the company of crooks and liars.
Posted by mysterree at 08/01/2008 @ 9:17pm
McCain bit into the "Jugular" pretty tight.......hehehehe.....the MSM writer (below) is an obvious Magic supporter.....calling it a "major change" when it is, another HUGE FLIP-FLOP! But, a necessary one that is good for the US and my domestic oil stocks!
In major change, Obama says he'll support offshore drilling
By David Lightman | McClatchy Newspapers
WASHINGTON -- Barack Obama Friday dropped his opposition to offshore oil drilling, saying he could go along with the idea if it was part of a broader energy package.
.....The change is dramatic because Obama often pointed to his opposition to drilling as a key difference between himself and presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain.
Posted by 2HAPPY at 08/02/2008 @ 12:37am
ouch!
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/02/2008 @ 01:50am
WASHINGTON -- Barack Obama Friday dropped his opposition to offshore oil drilling, saying he could go along with the idea if it was part of a broader energy package.
mask,
see what i mean?
blame barack obama.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/02/2008 @ 01:51am
mask,
see what i mean?
blame barack obama.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/02/2008 @ 01:51am
He won't! He's in deep Kool-aid Land!
Now, there are just two more Big Issues where I hope Magic will do his next Flips:
1) Extend or make permanent, most if not all of the Bush Tax Cuts, and
2) School Choice/Vouchers to really, really, help the minority, lower-income folks!
The Houston Chronicle published to day, the area schools ratings......every single one of the charter schools for the organization I work/volunteer for, is at least, Acceptable, with most ranked as Recognized.....just below Exemplenary which is the highest possible.
Posted by 2HAPPY at 08/02/2008 @ 12:07pm
"Duke Nuke 'Em" McCain will be the next prez, not because he was elected, but because the vote stealing machinery that helped "Dumbya" steal the WH is still in place and being fine-tuned.
Voters in some states, like New Mexico and Colorado are being purged from the polls and they're mostly black voters.
The Bush/Cheney Junta can't afford to take a chance on Obama and want their bitch, McCain, in office to help cover up all of their criminal misdeeds.
Unless Bushie ignites WW 3 by bombing Iran and if so, all bets are off.
Posted by Greg Bacon at 08/02/2008 @ 5:24pm
Voters in some states, like New Mexico and Colorado are being purged from the polls and they're mostly black voters.
Posted by Greg Bacon at 08/02/2008 @ 5:24pm
Pretty good `scare tactic'.....Hey, let me help you!
I `heard' in almost every state where the margins between Magic and McCain is in the single digits, black voters are being "purged". Same with the university towns where voters under 30, are being "purged"! They would be wasting their time to show up on Election Day!
Posted by 2HAPPY at 08/02/2008 @ 6:12pm
The Houston Chronicle published to day, the area schools ratings......every single one of the charter schools for the organization I work/volunteer for, is at least, Acceptable, with most ranked as Recognized.....just below Exemplenary which is the highest possible.
Posted by 2HAPPY at 08/02/2008 @ 12:07pm
privatizing education is a dangerous thing.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/02/2008 @ 9:46pm
Spell SAIC backwards...
CIA's
http://www.warprofiteers.com/article.php?id=7892
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_Applications_International_Corporat ion
In January 1999, new SAIC consultant Steven Hatfill and his collaborator, SAIC vice president Joseph Soukup, commissioned William C Patrick (a retired leading figure in the old US bioweapons program) to report on the possibilities of terrorist anthrax mailings in the United States. (There had been a spate of hoax anthrax mailings in the previous two years.) Barbara Hatch Rosenberg said that the report was commissioned "under a CIA contract to SAIC". However, SAIC said Hatfill and Soukup commissioned it internally -- there was no outside client.
Patrick produced his 28-page report in February 1999. Some subsequently saw it as a "blueprint" for the 2001 anthrax attacks. The report suggested the maximum amount of anthrax powder -- 2.5 grams -- that could be put in an envelope without producing a suspicious bulge. This was just a little more than the actual amounts -- 2 grams each -- in the letters sent to Senators Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy. But the report also suggested that a terrorist might produce a spore concentration of 50 billion spores per gram. This was only one-twentieth the actual concentration -- 1 trillion spores per gram -- in the letters sent to the Senators
Posted by plunger at 08/03/2008 @ 05:41am
http://www.washington-report.org/archives/sept-oct02/0209018.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_842.shtml
Raytheon is a darling of Carlyle Group. Raytheon, maker of Patriot and Tomahawk missiles, watched its stock take off after the attacks.
Purchases of call options contracts on Raytheon stock increased sixfold on September 10, 2001.
The Raytheon option contracts made money, if shares were more than $25 each. The price zoomed up nearly 37 percent to $34.04 during the first week after post 9/11 trading.
Parenthetically, Raytheon had also been hit with millions of dollars in fines for padding costs of equipment it sold to the US military. Raytheon also has a hush-hush subsidiary, E-Systems, whose clients include the CIA and NSA, the latter about to make a hostile takeover of the other.
CLEARLY, Bets were placed in advance of 9/11 with foreknowledge of 9/11. This isn't just War Profiteering, this is TERROR PROFITEERING.
Raytheon had a DIRECT role in 9/11.
http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/raytheon-connection-to-9-11
The A-3 Skywarrior that hit the Pentagon was owned by Raytheon.
It was guided by Sysplan's (FTS) technology.
http://www.rense.com/general70/safe.htm
I remember the first conversation I had with Karen Kwiatkowski, a retired Lieutenant Colonel who was in the Pentagon that day. She is the lady that went public about the Office of Special Plans where they were falsifying the intelligence regarding Iraq. She vividly remembers being downstairs and around the corner in about 10 minutes to help get people out and the FBI agents were at the CITGO station confiscating the video tapes of what hit the Pentagon.
Other eyewitnesses have stated that they smelled explosives such as cordite, not burning jet fuel. Those were military witnesses that know that exploded ordnance smells like.
What little video evidence there is does show a white trail of smoke before the Pentagon explosion. Jet fuel burns dark at sea level and jets do not leave white contrails at sea level. What does leave a white trail of smoke at all elevations is the solid fuel of a rocket, Thiokol in most rockets being the type of solid fuel.
DOV ZAKHEIM - 9/11 co-conspirator:
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1047.shtml
Thank Bush, Sr. for A.Q. Khan, UBL and the Plame Case
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/8/14653/71820
The Barclays Connection:
http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/rothschild-opus-dei-connection-to-is rael
Posted by plunger at 08/03/2008 @ 07:11am
http://www.washington-report.org/archives/sept-oct02/0209018.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_842.shtml
Raytheon is a darling of Carlyle Group. Raytheon, maker of Patriot and Tomahawk missiles, watched its stock take off after the attacks.
Purchases of call options contracts on Raytheon stock increased sixfold on September 10, 2001.
The Raytheon option contracts made money, if shares were more than $25 each. The price zoomed up nearly 37 percent to $34.04 during the first week after post 9/11 trading.
Parenthetically, Raytheon had also been hit with millions of dollars in fines for padding costs of equipment it sold to the US military. Raytheon also has a hush-hush subsidiary, E-Systems, whose clients include the CIA and NSA, the latter about to make a hostile takeover of the other.
CLEARLY, Bets were placed in advance of 9/11 with foreknowledge of 9/11. This isn't just War Profiteering, this is TERROR PROFITEERING.
Raytheon had a DIRECT role in 9/11.
http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/raytheon-connection-to-9-11
The A-3 Skywarrior that hit the Pentagon was owned by Raytheon.
It was guided by Sysplan's (FTS) technology.
http://www.rense.com/general70/safe.htm
I remember the first conversation I had with Karen Kwiatkowski, a retired Lieutenant Colonel who was in the Pentagon that day. She is the lady that went public about the Office of Special Plans where they were falsifying the intelligence regarding Iraq. She vividly remembers being downstairs and around the corner in about 10 minutes to help get people out and the FBI agents were at the CITGO station confiscating the video tapes of what hit the Pentagon.
Other eyewitnesses have stated that they smelled explosives such as cordite, not burning jet fuel. Those were military witnesses that know that exploded ordnance smells like.
What little video evidence there is does show a white trail of smoke before the Pentagon explosion. Jet fuel burns dark at sea level and jets do not leave white contrails at sea level. What does leave a white trail of smoke at all elevations is the solid fuel of a rocket, Thiokol in most rockets being the type of solid fuel.
DOV ZAKHEIM - 9/11 co-conspirator:
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1047.shtml
Thank Bush, Sr. for A.Q. Khan, UBL and the Plame Case
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/8/14653/71820
The Barclays Connection:
http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/rothschild-opus-dei-connection-to-is rael
Posted by plunger at 08/03/2008 @ 07:12am
privatizing education is a dangerous thing.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/02/2008 @ 9:46pm
When will you get through your head, what you do w/your son, is private education while charter schools, are PUBLIC schools funded with tax dollars as well as generous philanthropists! The org. I'm associated with, has several $10 million donors!
BTW, you do know that the Magic girls, go to private schools, and so does the McCain's kids. They have `choice' because they've got the dough.....but your lower-middle and lower class, are stuck with the absurdly shitty public schools dominated by the teachers' unions.
ALL students must have a choice.....and vouchers and having charter schools are the WAY!
Posted by 2HAPPY at 08/03/2008 @ 2:15pm
Posted by 2HAPPY at 08/02/2008 @ 12:37am
Its called compromise, HAPP. I have no problem with that. That's the way this government should work. Some states want drilling, some states don't especially when we won't see benefits from said drilling for another decade. Everyone is not going to get all that they want. You can't please everyone all of the time but if each side can give in a little, more of us can be pleased. He can acccept drilling if the side for drilling can accept other energy alternatives. Instead of being mired in all or nothing debates, compromising enables poeple to move forward. Something needs to be done that can satisfy most people. If folks get off their damn high-horse(progressives and conservatives alike) and realize its not just about them, things can happen for the good of the people.
Posted by k330k at 08/04/2008 @ 3:47pm
BTW, you do know that the Magic girls, go to private schools, and so does the McCain's kids. They have `choice' because they've got the dough.....but your lower-middle and lower class, are stuck with the absurdly shitty public schools dominated by the teachers' unions. ALL students must have a choice.....and vouchers and having charter schools are the WAY!
Posted by 2HAPPY at 08/03/2008 @ 2:15pm
i strongly disagree.
a concerted effort must be made to improve the quality of schools for all.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/04/2008 @ 8:03pm
a concerted effort must be made to improve the quality of schools for all.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/04/2008 @ 8:03pm
I only wish!
The Demos have totally controlled the Education-Industrial-Complex, cranking out lots of flunkies who buy into their "You're a victim, it's not your fault you can't compete" mindset who of course, are mostly blacks and vote what the EIC tells them to.
I believe to the depth of my bones that the EIC needs competition and charter/vouchers are the only way I can see.....one thing that's undeniable, `business as usual' has failed the children for decades and it is as much the root cause of income inequality as any tax or fiscal policies!
Posted by 2HAPPY at 08/04/2008 @ 9:52pm
how odd.
we've got teachers unions, too.
yet i think our schools are pretty good.
maybe it's because they aren't funded on a local level.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/04/2008 @ 10:05pm
I realize I'm a bit late on the draw here--I've been particularly annoyed by a politico hack lately--but I still want to get in here on lame McSame:
Their pathetic "political ads" if you can call them that, reflect a systemic bathos that is not, shall we say, presidential.
I think Republicans have candidate envy.
Ours is articulate--yours fumbles and stumbles every other day.
Ours can write--yours has to be passed his Rovian talking points--and have them on a pad in front of him.
Ours can reach across the aisle, while yours has alienated the liberal base.
Ours represents hope and change, while yours represents more of the same.
Obama reflects 21st century America, and yours reflects the Cold War era.
Our candidate is ready to lead, while your candidate follows the money.
I am dedicated to this candidacy, for I WILL NEVER FORGET FOR AS LONG AS I LIVE, WHAT REPUBLICANS HAVE DONE TO AMERICA:
*THEY HAVE MODELED SELF-SERVING BRUTALITY FOR ALL TO SEE.
*THEY HAVE FUNNELED OUR HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS TO HALLIBURTON (KBR) AND BLACKWATER, and the oil industry.
*They politicized the justice department.
*They politicized the judicial branch.
*They politicized Federal Emergency Management--remember Katrina.
*They Politicized the housing market--i.e. deregulation ala Gramm.
They are dispassionate conservative dividers--not uniters.
So, ummmmmm why should we vote for McCain?
They've proven themselves horrid at governing, and yet effective at sleaze--their propensity.
They got nothing. And don't give me that tax crap, because he already said all things are on the table. We all know that Republicans BORROW AND SPEND or FLEECE AND SPEND anyway.
Ironic they think God's a Republican.
Posted by PrairieDeb at 08/05/2008 @ 01:36am