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RedditThere's a few different ways to react to Fox News host E.D. Hill labeling Barack and Michelle Obama's fist bump in St. Paul last week as a possible "terrorist fist jab."
1. Hill should be reprimanded for her breathtaking ignorance and cultural myopia.
2. Hill should be fired for comparing Obama to a terrorist with absolutely no supporting evidence. In fact, she never even explains the reference in the segment that follows.
3. This is Fox News. What else should we expect?
A combination of 1 and 3 sounds about right. Today Hill offered this rather bizarre apology. SEE UPDATE BELOW.
"I certainly didn't mean to associate the word terrorist in any way with Senator Obama and his wife," Hill explained.
There's that word again--terrorist!
UPDATE: Fox News execs apparently decided option #2 was most appropriate. Hill has lost her show, but will remain with the network in some capacity. A new hire is conservative talk show host Laura Ingraham. No word yet on whether she's compared Obama to a terrorist, but here's a link to Ingraham's greatest hits.
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You know you've gone just plain way too far when even Fox "News" will fire you for over-the-line comments.
Posted by Zero at 06/10/2008 @ 09:09am
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Posted by lewwelge at 06/10/2008 @ 09:10am
Hey.....we got establishment white guys doing the fist jab with Obama....last night on TV -- I predict that it is going to catch on big time. Hell....we will have McCain doing it before the Republican convention! If he adopted the slogan of change into his platform, he will certainly jump on the wagon for this one.
Posted by OneVote at 06/10/2008 @ 09:10am
NATION STAFF:
I think we all agree with Crabs in that this new blog engine .. oh, what is that technical term? Oh yeah .. it bites.
As for Faux News .. you mean people actually watch it?
Posted by leftofcenter at 06/10/2008 @ 09:12am
What I like about this newscast I think everyone here can note the genius is that they made sure to picture something from a Republican person also in order to give them credibility. So they could back track and say no look we showed Bush doing a chest bump too. Except they didn't tie that to a possible terrorist action.
Then they had a commentator come on who disagreed with everything that was previously posited so they could still play the fair and balanced BS even though the ONLY message they ACTUALLY wanted to get out was the possible terrorist tie to the fist bump(I feel like a jack ass saying "fist bump" by the way). Than wait other pundits could have the sound bite of Obama committing a possible terrorist secret hand shake or whatever. I could almost call this intelligent if it wasn't so disgustingly one sided and ignorant.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 06/10/2008 @ 09:14am
You know you've gone just plain way too far when even Fox "News" will fire you for over-the-line comments.
Posted by Zero at 06/10/2008
Haha ain't that the truth.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 06/10/2008 @ 09:15am
Oh God it is happening to this thread now. Posts are jumping up in random order.
2:37 PST
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 06/10/2008 @ 09:16am
I think posts are now in ascending order all of a sudden. So the newest post is somehow moving above the older post. At least that's what I am observing.
2:38 PST
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 06/10/2008 @ 09:18am
The fist bump is used by golfers. It is and has been common knowledge forever. Good grief, does nobody else know this?
Posted by Benchrest at 06/10/2008
Really? I've played golf for nearly 50 years and I've never encountered it.
But the whole thing by ED Hill was stupid if that's what she said (haven't had time to view the clip).
Posted by lvliberty1 at 06/10/2008 @ 09:41am
Really? I've played golf for nearly 50 years and I've never encountered it.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 06/10/2008
NEVER,huh? In fifty years. Then might I suggest you watch the US Open this weekend. It is called a Major, in the golf world, and you will finally get to see a fist bump or twenty.
Posted by Benchrest at 06/10/2008 @ 10:10am
the black kids bump fists and then there is the shoulder bump, or at least a move in that direction. that is the official greeting in the hood.
as far as Fox is concerned they'll come with the terrorist scarf next.
One poster suggested that Barry was a muslim because as a chid he went to school in muslim Indonesia. further study reveals that it was a catholic school.
I went to catholic school, believe me. that means that he was likely on his knees saying hail Marys for days. perhaps he was a secret muslim.
Posted by emile duBois at 06/10/2008 @ 11:02am
yikes, first it was new posts at top, now its random. yikes.
Posted by emile duBois at 06/10/2008 @ 11:03am
But the whole thing by ED Hill was stupid if that's what she said (haven't had time to view the clip).
Posted by lvliberty1 at 06/10/200
Yeah it's pretty ridiculous. I know most of you guys aren't nuts but the sad thing is that this is what is representative of your party to the rest of the world. I feel bad for you guys when people say this kind of stuff.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 06/10/2008 @ 11:15am
The fist bump...
Popular among the members of that hotbed of sedition and insurrection, the Professional Golfers' Association.
Tiger Woods often fist bumps with his caddie after a birdie. I guess he must hate America.
Posted by skeletonman at 06/10/2008 @ 11:42am
Looks as though The Nation's website is frooky again;
Watching Faux News is getting to be like watching a drunk who hasn't hit rock bottom yet, knowing that it will one day come, fully aware that there is nothing that can be done to avert the inevitable.
Posted by skeletonman at 06/10/2008 @ 11:51am
So she will "remain with the network in some capacity." What, as a fluffer for O'Reilly?
Posted by opeluboy at 06/10/2008 @ 11:55am
Can anyone tell me why Barack and Michelle would even think to do such a stupid jester like that? From my perspective, the fist jab (as many of you would call it) gives them an immaturish look.
Posted by ACook at 06/10/2008 @ 12:04pm
I was going to respond to someone... but then I forgot just what it was that they hadn't said yet. This new blogging etiquette is terribly confusing, I must say.
This apology by Miss Hill really is a sad apology for an apology. I didn't see the original footage, but hey - this is television! Everything is meticulously scripted, there are autocues all over the studio - just like the one she read her apology speech from - and we're supposed to believe that it was a slip of the tongue or, worse, that the viewers misinterpreted her words?
Not that it really matters. Whatever people might think of Obama, I don't think Miss Hill managed to convince anyone that he's a terrorist - and even if she did, those people would not have voted for Obama anyway. Then there's the subliminal effect of mentioning his name and the word 'terrorist' in the same sentence, thus creating a sense of unease about Obama - but I don't think that will have much of an impact either. And besides, should Obama become president of the United States, that would pretty much make him a terrorist by default, because every US president is somebody's terrorist - often with good reason.
Posted by Amsterdam69 at 06/10/2008 @ 12:10pm
Can anyone tell me why Barack and Michelle would even think to do such a stupid jester like that? From my perspective, the fist jab (as many of you would call it) gives them an immaturish look.
Posted by ACook at 06/10/2008
Maybe it is something intimate between them that you don't know about. Why is this considered immature? What makes a gesture immature? Why is a hand shake or a kiss considered mature? Please explain to me the dynamics of what makes a gesture mature and immature. On top of that you don't know what it means to them so for you to criticize without knowledge is immature.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 06/10/2008 @ 12:21pm
BARACK OBAMA CAUGHT SNEEZING!
He Closes His Eyes!
Will America Be Safe?
Posted by frosty zoom at 06/10/2008 @ 1:02pm
testing
Posted by frosty zoom at 06/10/2008 @ 1:02pm
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:23:09 PM
Posted by frosty zoom at 06/10/2008 @ 1:02pm
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:23:29 PM
Posted by frosty zoom at 06/10/2008 @ 1:03pm
to find your post,
turn left and stop when you get to the RedBarn.
go straight 3.5 kms and then bang your head.
Posted by frosty zoom at 06/10/2008 @ 1:04pm
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:24:52 PM
Posted by frosty zoom at 06/10/2008 @ 1:04pm
I am going to go out and terrorist fist jab my way to dinner and drinks. The Rapture is here. Praise hay-suse. No cologne, it's too early in the week.
Posted by Zero at 06/10/2008 @ 2:03pm
tiger wood's wants you to fistify!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwURFQdmHZI&fmt=18&fmt=18
Posted by frosty zoom at 06/10/2008 @ 2:19pm
How come we're unable to comment on "Revenge of the Neo Liberals Redux" by Christopher Hayes?
Posted by wgilwood at 06/10/2008 @ 2:50pm
"Maybe it is something intimate between them that you don't know about. Why is this considered immature? What makes a gesture immature? Why is a hand shake or a kiss considered mature? Please explain to me the dynamics of what makes a gesture mature and immature. On top of that you don't know what it means to them so for you to criticize without knowledge is immature."
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 06/10/2008
First off, there's nothing intimate about that gesture.
I consider it immature because it's something young black people do. To me, I think it's their form of simple rebellion. Unfortunately, they have no idea what it truly symbolizes.
A hand shake or kiss is considered more appropriate and acceptable in polite society. The average American has no idea what that gesture signifies. And if they found out what the fist bump truly means, he won't step foot in the WH.
The dynamics that make a gesture mature or immature is the degree in which you don't insult someone with it.
So before you get your tiddy whities in bunch, yes, I do understand what it means to them. But, I also understand what it means to me and my family if those two aren't careful.
Posted by ACook at 06/10/2008 @ 2:51pm
Jeezzzus, are people seriously attempting to turn a fist bump into news?
Don't you people know that there are actual issues to be discussed on the campaign trail? I don't give a darn about Rev Wright, lapel pins or how the Obamas give high fives to each other.
If the media were truly liberal, we would be discussing healthcare, child care, education and the enviroment, not this "crap of the day".
Posted by crabwalk at 06/10/2008 @ 3:02pm
Keep 'em talking.
Seriously...link Fox to the McCain camp and the GOP....just like they DID want in the past.
Every idiot like Hill or John Gibson says something...ask McCain's reaction and if he "agrees with Fox 'personality' ______ when he/she said..."
They wanted their own network......hang it around their necks.
Posted by Mask at 06/10/2008 @ 3:05pm
Really? This is it? This is what they have? This is the big news? Oh God fear the racially mixed one he is throwing out terrorist gang signs to his wife!
Anyone who would sit on television and say something like that is probably the dumbest pundit Fox has. They said who can we actually get to say this? Who is dumb enough to make sure that they will toss themselves into the frying pan on this one?
The absurdity of Faux News amazes me. The fact that people can actually take a network who allowed that to be said on television and more than likely it was scripted before hand is not a new network. It's nothing but shock radio with video attached. This is your representative news network LVL and HAPPY. Whether you watch it or not THIS is what people associate Republicans with. Someone who is SO IGNORANT that they call a fist bump, that started in black culture as a greeting or encouragement, a terrorist fist jab. This is the loud mouth that represents your party to the public. Now I will admit MSNBC and many of the the other liberal "news" stations are bad. However I don't even think THEY would go this far. Watch out who represents you folks because people like this are the reason folks have such a negative few of the GOP.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 06/10/2008 @ 3:21pm
This war between MSNBC and Faux News has got to stop. As Crabwalk pointed out, there are serious issues to be discussed. I hate to say it but MSNBC is becoming a tabloid organization. I know it's difficult to provide 24 hour news coverage and still keep viewers interested but do we have to lower the standards down to Faux News level?
Right now, Bush is beating the war drums to attack Iran and we have to suffer through coverage of fist bumps.
I think it's a generational thing.
Posted by frankgrits at 06/10/2008 @ 3:22pm
The fist bump is used by golfers. It is and has been common knowledge forever. Good grief, does nobody else know this?
Posted by Benchrest at 06/10/2008 @ 3:24pm
Keep 'em talking.
Seriously...link Fox to the McCain camp and the GOP....just like they DID want in the past.
Every idiot like Hill or John Gibson says something...ask McCain's reaction and if he "agrees with Fox 'personality' ______ when he/she said..."
They wanted their own network......hang it around their necks.
Posted by Mask at 06/10/2008
I have to agree with you. I almost feel bad for McCain. THESE are the people that represent his party and he HAS to appease them because many of the Religious Right love Fox so Fox is going to give him the most favorable press and make sure that his base of support stays with him. At the same time news pieces like this one are what alienate the moderates because they see how absurd the side they are leaning toward is.
If McCain can't get out from under these people he will alienate the middle, especially moderate blacks because this gesture originated from black culture, but at the same time if he alienates Fox and others like them he will push too far away from the religious right and he won't get them out to vote. It's going to be a long and hard juggling act for him. Like juggling chain saws.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 06/10/2008 @ 3:26pm
I think it's a generational thing.
Posted by frankgrits at 06/10/2008
I don't think it's a generational thing at all because the majority of MSNBC and Faux News watchers are probably not in the younger generation. I don't have their ratings numbers but I would contend that most of the people who watch these networks are 40 or older.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 06/10/2008 @ 3:28pm
This war between MSNBC and Faux News has got to stop. As Crabwalk pointed out, there are serious issues to be discussed. I hate to say it but MSNBC is becoming a tabloid organization. I know it's difficult to provide 24 hour news coverage and still keep viewers interested but do we have to lower the standards down to Faux News level?
Right now, Bush is beating the war drums to attack Iran and we have to suffer through coverage of fist bumps.
I think it's a generational thing.
Posted by frankgrits at 06/10/2008
I agree with you but I thought you were FOR war with Iran. You were the one who was decrying Obama because he actually *gasp* wanted to talk to Iran. If you aren't willing to talk to the enemy to establish a way to come to a logical and mutually appeasing solution isn't the only other solution to go to war in order to get them to do what you want?
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 06/10/2008 @ 3:31pm
Is it just me, or has the time warp phenomenon gotten a whole lot worse recently?
Posted by Benchrest at 06/10/2008 @ 3:34pm
They wanted their own network......hang it around their necks.Posted by Mask at 06/10/2008
mask, now fox will be saying lefties want to "necklace" people at fox.
Posted by Sorelish at 06/10/2008 @ 3:41pm
Is it just me, or has the time warp phenomenon gotten a whole lot worse recently?
Posted by Benchrest at 06/10/2008
Yeah some of my posts are literally just all over the place. They will end up in just random spots in the threads.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 06/10/2008 @ 3:45pm
This is it, folks, this is of a piece with all the GOP & its owners have to throw at Obama from now to Nov. Fox & GOP oppo in the fall will differ from this, not in substance, but only in intensity.
Alas, this is mainly what MSNBC will also focus on, including Olbermann, with over the top indignation over utter rubbish.
So TV is not where we'll have to go for substance. That's much seems clear.
Posted by sloper at 06/10/2008 @ 3:47pm
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 06/10/2008
MSNBC is not liberal, though all big media purposely, incessantly echo this lie, and most look liberal next to Fox.
Lockheed lands $2.5B contract - News - MSNBC.com
MSNBC excludes Kucinich, shorts Ron Paul's time in debates
MSNBC's Carlson continued Hillary-bashing
MSNBC A.B. Stoddard of "The Hill" newspaper calls Hillary "Skanky"
MSNBC has Olbermann &
MSNBC has "Scarborough Country" &
MSNBC has Tucker Carlson
It's just froth atop the vault: GE ain't liberal!!: Anheuser-Busch, Avon, Bechtel, Chevron/Texaco, Coca-Cola, Dell, GM, Home Depot, Kellogg, J.P. Morgan, Microsoft, Motorola, Procter & Gamble
BECHTEL Last month, multi-billionaire Riley Bechtel was sworn in as a member of President Bush's Export Council to advise...
One year after winning a $680 million contract to rebuild Iraq, San Francisco's Bechtel Corp. hasn't met some of the job's most important original goals. ...
Jack Sheehan, a senior vice president at Bechtel, is a member of the Defense Policy Board, a government-appointed group that advised the Pentagon on the war...
Lockheed Martin and GE issued a joint press release announcing that they had entered into the Exchange Agreement
According to the Arms Trade Resource Center, Lockheed Martin gets $105 from each U.S. taxpayer and $228 from each U.S. household. In 2002 the company was effectively taxed at 7.7% compared to an average tax rate for individuals of 21-33%
Posted by winyahn at 06/10/2008 @ 4:00pm
Who Knows? I personally don't care about a fist bump in the news, but if you support a candidate you should vote for them at http://www.votenic.com in order to show your appreciation for their "professionalism".
Posted by votenic at 06/10/2008 @ 4:05pm
It is here at The Nation also.
hence this blog page.
Posted by crabwalk at 06/10/2008 @ 4:05pm
ATTN Nation Staff
Please get your blog back to where it was before the "enhancements"!!!
We need time stamps or at least numbered posts.
they need to be in order
we need HTML
Your blessed servant, crapofthedaywalk
Posted by crabwalk at 06/10/2008 @ 4:08pm
The McClellan thread is an absolute mess thanks to time warping.
This pure Republican silliness. Their mouthpiece is scrambling for damaging info on Obama so they have to find SOMETHING to stick him with. Rev Wright now just makes folks yawn (old news and all) and he's wiping the floor every time you compare Obama and Grandpa side by side (veto every beer? yup that's Grandpa!) so they need SOMETHING.
Posted by yutsano at 06/10/2008 @ 4:08pm
Time warping making conversations crazy....I WAS the #2 post after crabwalk...now the #16.
So I got people responding to me about something it looks like I hadn't said yet!
Be kinda cool, if it weren't so frustrating.
On the McClellan thread, I'm still waiting for FRANKGRITS to explain why Hillary is putting "politics" ahead of the good of her country?
Posted by Mask at 06/10/2008 @ 4:13pm
"terrorist fist jab."
Methinks that Ms. Hill has a couple of crossed wires in her frontal hate-lobe.
Or perhaps not: after all, in the right-wing nutjob fear-narrative, all Muslims are potential terrorists (or should at least be treated as such until further notice)and Obama is a closet Muslim. Combine that with the right's reflexive disdain for anything perceived (by them) to be "Black" in origin, and there you have it--terrorist fist pump.
So I guess the scary thing here is not that Ms. Hill said something so hateful and disturbing, but how well her remarks fit in with everything else the radical Right is saying about Obama
"I certainly didn't mean to associate the word terrorist in any way with Senator Obama and his wife"
So she's a liar as well as an idiot.
Posted by BlueSpark at 06/10/2008 @ 4:31pm
Right now, Bush is beating the war drums to attack Iran and we have to suffer through coverage of fist bumps.
I think it's a generational thing.
Posted by frankgrits at 06/10/2008 | ignore this person | warn this person
Except that you plan on voting for McCain, who has actually sung "bomb-bomb-bomb, bomb-bomb-Iran".
Posted by brunowe at 06/10/2008 @ 7:07pm
First off, there's nothing intimate about that gesture.
I consider it immature because it's something young black people do. To me, I think it's their form of simple rebellion. Unfortunately, they have no idea what it truly symbolizes.
A hand shake or kiss is considered more appropriate and acceptable in polite society. The average American has no idea what that gesture signifies. And if they found out what the fist bump truly means, he won't step foot in the WH.
The dynamics that make a gesture mature or immature is the degree in which you don't insult someone with it.
So before you get your tiddy whities in bunch, yes, I do understand what it means to them. But, I also understand what it means to me and my family if those two aren't careful.
Posted by ACook at 06/10/2008
You mean having its origins in the high five? It doesn't MEAN anything. Gestures arise from many different things. Do you know how the handshake arose? How about the salute? Are we supposed to spend our lives making sure we never insult anyone? A public kiss no matter how tactful may insult someone therefore should you never kiss your significant other? Some cultures kiss on the cheek as a greeting but Americans aren't used to that so it could be insulting. What is mature and immature depends entirely upon the meaning it has to you. There will always be someone there to criticize everything you ever do. I am a young black male and I both shake hands, bump fists, dap, head nod, head up whatever. They are signs of greeting. People who think they are above everyone else decide that they have the ego to assign maturity and immaturity to a gesture without true knowledge of the origin of said gesture.
I'm sorry Acook I DO respect you but only an idiot would think that a normal well adjusted intelligent person would NOT vote for him because of that gesture. Read Times article about it(it is sad to say that Times has an article about a fist bump) THEY will give you the origin of the gesture. Just because young people do it doesn't make it immature. Like I said I shake hands as well as many other gestures of greeting and, I will repeat this part for my own edification, the only people who choose to say that a gesture is immature, aside from vulgar gestures, are self-righteous jerks who think THEY are the ultimate authority on what is proper and polite. What is proper changes amongst generations and cultures.
Is it proper to bow to someone in the US? In some cultures spitting on someone is a sign of respect. So don't be so self-righteous as to say that everyone should think something is immature just because YOU do. Most normal people don't care because they recognize it as a sign of greeting and realize that a gesture is never immature if it is not actually vulgar.
The meaning it has in YOUR household is not tied to the actual origin of the motion which was a sports thing to replace the high five. To many people including martial artists the fist pound is a mutual acknowledgment of respect. I guess acknowledging respect amongst two people is immature to you.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 06/10/2008 @ 9:38pm
This stuff about gestures is important. Humans are hard-wired to support US and reject THEM. You see it at its highest pitch during sporting or war. The means to identify who exactly is US and who them, is by inspecting their signification - gestures are big here - ask any primatologist.
So by demonising certain gestures, one can project those who make them into the THEM camp.
Posted by mikecope at 06/10/2008 @ 9:53pm
Can anyone tell me why Barack and Michelle would even think to do such a stupid jester like that? From my perspective, the fist jab (as many of you would call it) gives them an immaturish look.
Posted by ACook at 06/10/2008
a stupid jester? if you were funny that could be you.
can you be any dumber? (I really know the answer)
I have a GESTURE for you, a one fingered salute.
Posted by emile duBois at 06/10/2008 @ 11:28pm
Posted by emile duBois at 06/10/2008
Captain Spell-Check JOHANNES DUBOIS?
Remember he who lives by the spell-check, dies by the spell-check, ROLFie!
Posted by Mask at 06/11/2008 @ 12:30am
ed jr,
hoo kairs hough ewe spelgh inglish?
thee entyre langwidge iz mest upp!
Posted by frosty zoom at 06/11/2008 @ 01:39am
"I consider it immature because it's something young black people do."
Wow, you actually typed that sentence. Wow, you actually THOUGHT that sentence. Careful, your soul is showing!!
"The dynamics that make a gesture mature or immature is the degree in which you don't insult someone with it."
Tiger Woods does this gesture all the time--he and his (white) caddy. On CBS, the geriatric network. Is CBS's audience insulted? They've never said so. Is he immature? No one seems to think so.
The gesture is common between players of all sports and even between office workers. The one group of people I have never seen do the fist bump? Terrorists.
Posted by BlueSpark at 06/11/2008 @ 11:53am
Posted by BlueSpark at 06/11/2008
Blue, as a woman of color, I don't care "how common" it may be in sports or the entertainment world, it's not appropriate for someone, who is running for president of this country, to do in public.
I don't even allow my sons to do that around me.
Posted by ACook at 06/11/2008 @ 12:19pm
Posted by Mask at 06/11/2008
Thanks Mask, I know I spelled the word "gesture" wrong. But I do get some satisfaction knowing that I can ignore EB without putting him on my "ignore" list. I know there are days he sits at his computer drinking because he has nothing else better to do.
Posted by ACook at 06/11/2008 @ 12:22pm
"Terrorist fist-bump"?
I prefer the "Bemused Blogger Who Doesn't Suffer Fools Gladly Fist Pump". It works thusly:
1. Curl the four fingers of your hand inward toward your palm, touching the index (top) finger with your thumb.
2. Move your hand up and down with a brisk stroking motion in the general direction of anyone who uses the term "Terrorist Fist Bump".
Unlike the recent Faux News creation, this is a time-honored, universally-recognized gesture, completely devoid of ambiguity.
Posted by drhammer at 06/11/2008 @ 12:39pm
"I don't even allow my sons to do that around me."
Posted by ACook at 06/11/2008
(I'm curious as to the rationale for this policy.)
Posted by drhammer at 06/11/2008 @ 12:42pm
From a 31-year-old brother:
Jesus, people...all this emotion over a fist bump? It's not "appropriate"??
ACook, are you on medication?
It's a goddamn fist-bump, for crying out loud. It won't get you high, or lead to bad study habits. It's not a gateway for anything else, it's a variation of a handshake, and that's all.
And as far as I know it just simply means, "respect."
Posted by nicR at 06/11/2008 @ 12:50pm
<i>as a woman of color, I don't care "how common" it may be in sports or the entertainment world, it's not appropriate for someone, who is running for president of this country, to do in public...I don't even allow my sons to do that around me.</i>
I am not sure what your being a woman of color has to do with not caring how common something is, but that aside I would say that you are hypersensitive on this point. It's just a playful gesture in many contexts and in other contexts it simply means something like "I'm with you," or "Solidarity," or "I've got your back," or, in the case of the Obamas, "We did it."
Who are you to judge the gestures by which other people connect?
Posted by BlueSpark at 06/11/2008 @ 1:00pm
Oh, I guess we can't use HTML codes anymore. lol. I haven't been here in a while--I must say I don't like the "improvements."
Posted by BlueSpark at 06/11/2008 @ 1:01pm
i think they shoulda done an ass bump.....
Posted by frosty zoom at 06/11/2008 @ 1:03pm
terrorassts
Posted by frosty zoom at 06/11/2008 @ 1:03pm
"i think they shoulda done an ass bump....."
"terrorassts"
Posted by frosty zoom at 06/11/2008
Yes, but you are a subversive foreign influence...
Posted by drhammer at 06/11/2008 @ 1:09pm
ssshhhhh!
Posted by frosty zoom at 06/11/2008 @ 1:17pm
Posted by ACook at 06/11/2008
Well, you're welcome, ACOOK. "Professor" JOHANNES DUBOIS' hypocrisy, as much as his arrogance, always rubbed me the wrong way.
BTW, the "fist bump" comment?...pretty dopey. What's next? No hi-5s?
heheh
Posted by Mask at 06/11/2008 @ 1:56pm
ACook, are you on medication?
Posted by nicR at 06/11/2008
No. I know the type of person Acook is very well. Much like my mother she doesn't want her young black children to grow up like so many other young black children. She wants them to be successful. So she has created for herslf a stigma of ANYTHING that has to do with "typical" young black culture. She considers anything that has to do with it bad. So any gestures that they use are bad.
I see this in a lot of black mothers who have tried to get their kids to go grow up a certain way including my mother, not to this degree but it is still there.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 06/11/2008 @ 2:12pm
Do you know what you are? • You are what you is • You is what you am • (A cow don't make ham...) • You ain't what you're not • So see what you got • You are what you is • An' that's all it 'tis
mr. zappa told me so.
Posted by frosty zoom at 06/11/2008 @ 2:44pm
Well here is exhibit A, representing subconscience racism and intolerance in it's most insidious, "I consider it immature because it's something young black people do." What does that mean? If young white people did it then what? It's okay? Of course some young white people do "fist bump". Does that make them terrorists? Or even immature? How does a gesture of respect translate into immaturity? What about wearing your hair in the "bed head style"? That doesn't look good to me and young white people are wearing their hair this way. Remember flower children, wearing holey jeans, ragged VW buses and all the rest of the stuff the young did, said and wore in the sixties and early seventies. I wore a huge afro in the sixties and early seventies. My father was appalled. It was the first time I ever talked back to my father. I accused him of being an Uncle Tom which really got the whole house going.Now I'm a middle aged executive,responding to a blog when I should be working. Most of those "sixties terrorists" are middle aged executives or otherwise working productive members of this society now. So maybe they and I was just young and expressing ourselves in a different and new way. Move over grandpa and grandma make way for a new generation of leaders. They may just fix this " almost destroyed world".
Posted by Zo at 06/11/2008 @ 3:04pm
They may just fix this " almost destroyed world".
Posted by Zo
that's up to us.
they are very few.
Posted by frosty zoom at 06/11/2008 @ 3:35pm
Now I'm a middle aged executive
Posted by Zo
workin' for the man!
uncle tom.
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Posted by frosty zoom at 06/11/2008 @ 3:37pm
Posted by frosty zoom
when someone confuses jester with gesture it means they do not habitually read the english language.
an' someone who don' read nothin' wha' do they got to say? nuthin'
Posted by emile duBois at 06/12/2008 @ 12:58pm
Posted by Zo at 06/11/2008
Great post. Check out "Boomeritis" for an amazing perspective on the 60's.
It's an oversimplification, but there's a huge difference in the rebellion dynamic when the parents (more currently, proportionately) are kids (emotionally, in terms of developmental maturation) themselves. Then you end up not with some sort of effort at balance as you describe but with increased pathology, individual and social.
Posted by winyahn at 06/12/2008 @ 1:01pm
The fist bump response is a mix of "kids these days" paranoia and latent racism, fear of the black culture, fear of the fist raised in the air, black power.
Scary, immature, gen x, strange, odd kids taking over the whitehouse, finger on the button, what will become of my social security, the American Way. Will Obama and his homeboys wear baggy, saggy pants and sulk and speak urban and... worse.
Just a theory...
Posted by winyahn at 06/12/2008 @ 1:05pm
Posted by ACook at 06/11/2008
(I'm curious as to the rationale for this policy.)
Posted by drhammer at 06/11/2008
Were you aware that that gesture was one of several used by black radical groups?
Posted by ACook at 06/12/2008 @ 4:53pm
When I first read this, I thought to myself..."What kind of shallow, pedantic, imbicile would swallow this 'fist bump' BS as being something 'bad'...let alone 'terrorist'?"
Then along came Acook who supplied an immediate answer to that question.
Seriously, we're going to have to start reading that monicker as...
A-Kook!
Posted by Lillian at 06/14/2008 @ 2:49pm