Back in the mid-1990s, in my book, The End of Victory Culture, I wrote the following about the adventure films of my childhood (and those of earlier decades):
"For the nonwhite, annihilation was built not just into the on-screen Hollywood spectacle but into its casting structures. Available to the Other were only four roles: the invisible, the evil, the dependent, and the expendable…. When the inhabitants of these borderlands emerged from their oases, ravines, huts, or tepees, they found that there was but one role in which a nonwhite (usually played by a white actor) was likely to come out on top, and that was the villain with his fanatical speeches and propensity for odd tortures. Only as a repository for evil could the nonwhite momentarily triumph. Whether an Indian chief, a Mexican bandit leader, or an Oriental despot, his pre-World War II essence was the same. Set against his shiny pate or silken voice, his hard eyes or false laugh, no white could look anything but good."
Having spent a recent evening in my local multiplex watching the latest superhero blockbuster, Iron Man, all I can say is: such traditions obviously die hard (even in the age of Barack Obama). The Afghans and assorted terrorists of the film, when not falling into that "invisible" category -- as backdrops for the heroics or evil acts of the real actors -- are out of central casting from a playbook of the 1930s filled with images of Fu Manchu or Ming the Merciless: Right down to that shiny bald pate, the silken voice, the hard eyes, and that propensity for "odd tortures."
It's lucky, then, that, in the real world, the Bush administration has made the decision to expand our no-charges, no-recourse, no-courts, no-lawyers prison network in Afghanistan to hold such monsters. Give Eric Schmitt and Tim Golden of the New York Times credit for their recent front-page scoop: "The Pentagon is moving forward with plans to build a new, 40-acre detention complex on the main American military base in Afghanistan, officials said, in a stark acknowledgment that the United States is likely to continue to hold prisoners overseas for years to come… [the new prison will be] a more modern and humane detention center that would usually accommodate about 600 detainees--or as many as 1,100 in a surge--and cost more than $60 million." The real money quote in the piece, however, lay buried inside the fold. The reporters quote an anonymous Pentagon official speaking of the infamous older American prison at Bagram Air Base where some of those "odd tortures" have taken place: "It's just not suitable. At some point, you have to say, 'That's it. This place was not made to keep people there indefinitely.'"
So, the new prison, then, is apparently for holding people "indefinitely." Lurking in that word, of course, is the logical thought that we'll just have to stay in Afghanistan indefinitely, too. Otherwise, who's going to do the necessary imprisoning? Perhaps it's worth noting as well that, at this moment, the Pentagon is also expanding its major prison in Iraq, Camp Bucca, already stuffed with up to 20,000 prisoners, to hold another 10,000, assumedly in case a future prisoner "surge" comes along, and assumedly once again "indefinitely." In fact, when it comes to prisons, the Pentagon and its contractors are the busiest of beavers. After all, they've been expanding Guantanamo in Cuba, too, while Bush administration officials talk idly about shutting that prison down. Even kids aren't immune. A recent report claims that the U.S. now holds at least 500 "juveniles," mainly in Iraq, but also in Afghanistan, and perhaps elsewhere as "imperative threats to security." (Guantanamo evidently now has no juveniles only because two prisoners have been held there long enough to grow into adulthood.)
These are expansive American facts on the ground in two occupied countries where, you might say (though you wouldn't know it from Iron Man), imprisonment is our middle name and "odd tortures" what we've built our rep on. Of course, at a time when the U.S. is hemorrhaging real jobs, Americans have made quite a living from building and expanding prisons and prison populations at home, too.
Once upon a time, there was an all-American superhero who fought for "truth, justice, and the American way." But that's passé today. As a nation, we're not much into justice anymore; what we're into is incarceration, punishment, and those "odd tortures." It's increasingly our métier, our truth, the American way. So maybe Iron Man, an arms dealer by day, is, as Nick Turse, author of the superb exposé of the new Pentagon, The Complex, indicates his latest piece "Irony Man," exactly the right superhero to illuminate our American moment.
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Posted by HAPPY3 at 05/21/2008
Danny Glover
Morgan Freedman blows them all out of the water.
Posted by Benchrest at 05/21/2008 @ 11:01am
posted by Tom Engelhardt on 05/21/2008 @ 10:18am
Blazing Saddles?
Posted by Benchrest at 05/21/2008 @ 11:04am
"Pardon me while I whip this out."
Posted by Benchrest at 05/21/2008 @ 11:05am
This has got to be one of the goofiest "all over the place" article posted since....well....Mr Nichols usually..heheh.
From "the role of non-whites in movies 50 years ago"....to "Iron Man"....to the "prison industrial complex" stuff...and back to "Iron Man"?!?!??!
BTW, two points on the movies (yes, I'm actually taking this seriously for a minute)....Jon Favreau needed a "war setting" to set up the origins of Iron Man, since it was set in Vietnam back in the 60s.
and in the new Indiana Jones movie, the bad guys are WHITE Russians (Soviets actually since it's in the 50s).....some "hidden" message there, Mr Engelhardt????
Posted by Mask at 05/21/2008 @ 11:56am
They said you was hung?!?! They was right!
Posted by abell12ct at 05/21/2008 @ 12:39pm
hollywood sucks.
pure trash.
no wonder everybody's ready to kill.
and hollywood sucking the pentagon sucks more!
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/21/2008 @ 12:46pm
I know that facts are a stumbling block for Englehardt, but here is one for him to consider.
These people are in effect, prisoners of war. The Taliban were the ruling authorities when the 9/11 attacks were launched. They refused to surrender Bin Laden and his associates to the US.
The US had every legal right under international law to take military action in response.
Using Geneva as a baseline, what the US is doing is entirely appropriate.
SECTION II
INTERNMENT OF PRISONERS OF WAR
CHAPTER I
GENERAL OBSERVATIONS
ARTICLE 21
The Detaining Power may subject prisoners of war to internment.
The point being that detaining enemies is fully lawful under any consideration of international law.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/21/2008 @ 12:52pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/21/2008
Caddyshack
Blazing Saddles
Austin Powers
Star Trek
Blues Brothers
National Lampoons multiples
etc., etc., etc.,
no no no, some really good stuff.
Posted by Benchrest at 05/21/2008 @ 12:53pm
i teach kids 6, 7, 8 years old.
they've seen transformers, iron man, 300.......
wtf are their parents thinking?
flush..............
Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:03:10 PM
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/21/2008 @ 12:57pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/21/2008
Lazy Town
Blues Clues
Dora the Explorer
Max and Ruby
Diego
etc., etc., etc.,
STUPID PARENTS
Posted by Benchrest at 05/21/2008 @ 1:00pm
lvliberty1
is my mom in hell?
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/21/2008 @ 1:04pm
Benchrest
that's done by the time they are 5.
blood......
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/21/2008 @ 1:05pm
is my mom in hell?
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/21/2008
LVLIB cannot say since it says clearly "Judge not, lest ye be judged", but....
but enough time and pliers...and he'll eventually say...
yes, she is!
(heheh)
Posted by Mask at 05/21/2008 @ 1:11pm
"Once upon a time, there was an all-American superhero who fought for "truth, justice, and the American way."
Well, you're in luck Mr. Englehardt. Your all-American superhero is coming to the big screen.
The First Avenger: Captain America will arrive in 2011, according to the Marvel press release, and a proposed Avengers movie that same year would include the Captain, Hulk, Iron Man, Thor, etc.
Thor should get his own feature in 2010, while an Iron Man sequel is all but assured.
Posted by ACook at 05/21/2008 @ 1:15pm
lvliberty1
is my mom in hell?
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/21/2008
I never knew your mother. I don't know anything about her. I don't know what she knew of Christ or what she might have said to G-d before she died.
The difference with my comment on Gandhi is that he is on record as refusing Christ.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/21/2008 @ 1:19pm
Ghandhi is also on the record saying "The worst ememies of Christ in India are christians." Its true here as well.
Posted by Guiles at 05/21/2008 @ 1:39pm
or what she might have said to G-d before she died.----Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/21/2008
That's true, FROSTY.
Ever hear that there's a "Get Out Of Hell" free card for those who have some inkling of their impending demise?
Yep....Ted Bundy could repent 5 minutes before the lethal injection (moments before even)...."really meant it"...and he's in the Pearly Gates.
Gandhi?...no acceptance of Christ when he breathed his last...and it's off to eternal torment for that rotten ol' liberator of 100s of millions who preached non-violence and peace!
Ain't religion grand?
Posted by Mask at 05/21/2008 @ 2:59pm
The US holds no POWs in Afghanistan in accord with the Geneva Conventions. The US has unilatterally expempted itself from applying the GVA Conventions to Afghanistan, Gitmo & Iraq. These "detainees", as the US classifies them, have the same "rights" as Nazi concentration campers, i.e. none. No charges, no trials, no POW status.
Posted by sloper at 05/21/2008 @ 3:09pm
Posted by HAPPY3 at 05/21/2008
After that Lincoln statement you"ll forever be looking for banana peels. Early onset.
Posted by Sorelish at 05/21/2008 @ 3:39pm
The US holds no POWs in Afghanistan in accord with the Geneva Conventions. The US has unilatterally expempted itself from applying the GVA Conventions to Afghanistan, Gitmo & Iraq. These "detainees", as the US classifies them, have the same "rights" as Nazi concentration campers, i.e. none. No charges, no trials, no POW status.
Posted by sloper at 05/21/2008
You don't know what you're talking about or you just listen to and/or read what anti-war groups are saying without investigating the actual facts. What you fail to understand is that even under Geneva, prisoners have no right to demand to know charges against them, they cannot demand appearance before a court to protest their imprisonment, they have no right to a trial unless, they are brought up on charges related to their behavior while imprisoned.
The prisoners in Afghanistan and Gitmo are being accorded the same human rights as Geneva without that formal status.
Iraqi prisoners are treated in accordance with Geneva as POW's.
As to Iraq, the U.S. government has recognized from the outset that the Geneva Conventions apply by law and all Iraqi detainees are covered by them. All Iraqi military detainees have had POW status. As we all know from the horrible photos, some detainees in Iraq have been abused, but that mistreatment violated the Defense Department's policy as promulgated by the secretary.
http://tinyurl.com/599tu6
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/21/2008 @ 3:43pm
Captain America will arrive in 2011,
Posted by ACook
ooh, just in time for OPERATION IRANIAN LIBERTY!
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/21/2008 @ 3:52pm
lvliberty1
"religion is bunk!" - mom
so?
Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:01:26 PM
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/21/2008 @ 3:56pm
lvliberty1
god loves torture!
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/21/2008 @ 3:58pm
lvliberty1
"religion is bunk!" - mom
so?
Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:01:26 PM
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/21/2008
If you're not being sarcastic, but if your being serious, that makes me quite sad.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/21/2008 @ 5:18pm
lvliberty1
"religion is bunk!" - mom
so?
Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:01:26 PM
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/21/2008
If you're not being sarcastic, and you're being serious, that makes me quite sad.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/21/2008 @ 5:19pm
As we all know from the horrible photos, some detainees in Iraq have been abused, but that mistreatment violated the Defense Department's policy as promulgated by the secretary.-----Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/21/2008
Oh, come on, LVLIB.....you don't believe those photos are real, do you?
Don't you know those Iraqis deliberately posed for those as part of the Muslim doctrine of Taqiyya-deceit?
Posted by Mask at 05/21/2008 @ 8:20pm
As we all know from the horrible photos, some detainees in Iraq have been abused, but that mistreatment violated the Defense Department's policy as promulgated by the secretary.-----Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/21/2008
∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞ 8734;∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞
The former head of the U.S. prison system in Iraq told The Signal this week that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld personally authorized the same types of coercive interrogation methods for detainees at Abu Ghraib that he approved for use on prisoners at Guantanamo Bay.
∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞ 8734;∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞
The former head of the prison said she believed Rumsfeld had authorized the tough interrogation techniques because she had seen a memo bearing his signature on which, in the same handwriting, a note urged the document's recipients to make sure its instructions were carried out.
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read some of mr. rumsfeld's non-involvement.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB127/02.12.02.pdf
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larry, god will punish you for defending such people.
Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:01:33 PM
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/21/2008 @ 9:55pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/21/2008
Take it easy, FROS....go read my piece on LL on "Dirty Work" thread.
I'd tell CONSHAM/LIBSWARNED to lighten up too....but without 30ccs of Thorazine, just don't see it happening!
heheh
Posted by Mask at 05/21/2008 @ 10:06pm
LVL is fraudulent. Assertions do not equal fact.
The US holds no POWs in Iraq. It declares its hundred thousand plus prisoners "detainees," not POWs, and does not extend GVA convention rights to them, but claims the "equivalent," i.e. whatever the US wishes to do. The Iraqi prisoners have not been seized in a war zone, as the US president declared major combat operations in Iraq over as of May '03. Remember Mission Accomplished? What the US has built & is building in Iraq & Afghanistan are concentration camps where "detainees" will be held for indefinite duration, as per US declarations. This is the record. Rightwingers like LVL may have no problem with it, but clearly feel the need - embarrassed? - to cosmeticize US illegal practices. As long as the US behaves abroad like Nazi Germany & Stalin's USSR, it reaps what it sows. Disgust & condemnation, as it destroys the US republic with perpetual undeclared war. The US rightwing has done & is doing vastly more damage to the US beyond any foreigner jihadist's dream.
Posted by sloper at 05/21/2008 @ 10:15pm
what is "warn it"?
i warnitted myself and nothing happened.
Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:33:17 PM
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/21/2008 @ 10:26pm
I think 'it' is 'us'. We are 'its', but 'it' doesn't do anything. Yet. 'It's' busted.
Posted by Benchrest at 05/21/2008 @ 10:30pm
Back in the mid-1990s, in my book, The End of Victory Culture, I wrote the following about the adventure films of my childhood (and those of earlier decades):
"For the nonwhite, annihilation was built not just into the on-screen Hollywood spectacle but into its casting structures. Available to the Other were only four roles: the invisible, the evil, the dependent, and the expendable….
Happy, you need to work on your reading comprehension. Engelhardt was referring to the films of his childhood. I'm willing to bet that was a number of decades before Wesley Snipes in Blade.
Posted by brunowe at 05/22/2008 @ 11:08pm
LL
The problem is working out which prisoners are actually Taliban and which ones were just caught up in the sweep; perhaps fingered by a neighbor with whom he was having a dispute over a goat. You need to have some sort of hearing to determine that, you should also try to avoid things like waterboarding when finding out if he is Taliban.
Posted by brunowe at 05/22/2008 @ 11:11pm