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RedditIn a bold step forward in the campaign to reduce the damage the war on drugs is causing, the U.S. Sentencing Commission voted unanimously today to make a recent amendment reducing recommended sentences for crack cocaine offenses retroactive. The decision come a day after the US Supreme Court ruled that federal judges can sentence individuals below the guideline recommendations in crack cocaine cases.
The sentencing commission's decision means that up to 19,400 currently incarcerated people will be eligible for early release. "The government has spent hundreds of billions of dollars and incarcerated millions of Americans --disproportionately black or brown Americans--yet drugs are as available as ever," said Bill Piper, national affairs director of the Drug Policy Alliance. "It's time to start treating drug use as a health issue instead of a criminal justice issue."
While the three leading Presidential candidates support ending the sentencing disparity that punishes crack cocaine offenses one hundred times more severely than powder cocaine offenses --(although Clinton is the only one, based on a recent report, who opposes retroactivity) the House Democratic leadership, according to the Drug Policy Aliance's Piper, has posed "the biggest obstacle to eliminating the racist/crack/powder disparity." (The House leadership has reportedly prohibited committees from dealing with the issue.) In the Senate, on the other hand, Senator Joe Biden has a bill to completely eliminate the disparity; and two Republican bills reduce the disparity, but do not elmininate it. Hearings are expected in February. (Write your Representative and urge them to demand hearings so as to send a clear signal that they care about reducing racial disparities.
It's time to end this senseless war on drugs which has filled our prisons, fattened our prison-industrial complex and incarcerated too many people of color.
"The government has spent hundreds of billions of dollars and incarcerated millions of Americans --disproportionately black or brown Americans--yet drugs are as available as ever," said Bill Piper, national affairs director of the Drug Policy Alliance. "It's time to start treating drug use as a health issue instead of a criminal justice issue."
Or...how about both? It seems, for example, like punishing drug dealers is probably still a good idea...
Posted by Thrawn at 12/11/2007 @ 6:36pm
Why not decriminalize all drugs? Alcohol is a horrible, addictive, destructive drug, and yet it's legal. Why not treat all drugs this way, let people decide whether or how they want to screw up their lives, meanwhile tax the shit out of the drug sales. Why wouldn't we want to eliminate the black market for drug sales? I guess I can think of a few reasons.
Posted by MATTMAN at 12/11/2007 @ 6:37pm
There you go again, trying to do further damage to the Wisconsin economy. We replaced our NAFTA gone manufacturing base with what we saw as a true 21st century growth industry - incarceration. Gee, if we can't rely on the guvment to supply our state run bed and breakfast industry, from the Club Fed that former Illinois Governor Ryan now calls his home away from home, to the temporary lodgings afforded Mr. Dahmer at the Supermax and a host of boarding house opportunities in-between, we just can't seem to find our niche in the new ownership society.
I suppose that there are those who might counsel us to invest in small arms manufacture now that criminals are going to be released en masse. I hope the startup costs don't create an additional tax burden due to the tax incentives with which we are going to have to bribe industry in order to have our economy further strip mined.
Cheese ;-)
Posted by canaar at 12/11/2007 @ 6:45pm
Posted by THRAWN 12/11/2007 @ 6:36pm
A capital idea. We can turn those empty rooms into cyclical rehab centers. Dealers in on one end and users in on the other. Almost as good as perpetual motion machinery.
Posted by canaar at 12/11/2007 @ 6:47pm
Somebody run the numbers, but the War on Drugs has STILL got to top Iraq as the biggest waste of money, even manpower, in the history of the world.
End it now. You could put HALF the DEA budget into treatment centers and do 1000% more good.
The Onion had it right several years ago when Barry McCaffrey was Drug Czar...
"Drug War Over!--Drugs Won!"
Posted by Mask at 12/11/2007 @ 7:42pm
Look at Europe! Decriminalization of drugs works. Holland has a lower per-capita drug use rate than the US, despite the semi-legal status of soft drugs.
Also, their "treatment oriented" approach to drugs is a much more compassionate (and less expensive) approach to the issue, as locking up non-violent people is very backward and unsophisticated. Prisons should be to house violent people who "force" their way on innocent people.
For every drug dealer who is arrested and incarcerated, three more are taking their place. And for every drug user who is incarcerated but not treated, millions of dollars have been wasted as this person will most likely use again.
The demand is what is driving drug use, not supply. Focusing on supply, only satisfies the desires of "angry white men" who cannot stand the thought of black and brown people making large sums of money off their white kids.
Posted by Metteyya at 12/11/2007 @ 7:56pm
"Why not decriminalize all drugs?"
Posted by MATTMAN 12/11/2007 @ 6:37pm
Do you honestly think things will go OK after that? Where are you going to get the personnel to treat all the "users" and "dealers"? How are you going to pay them? The feds?, the State? They don't pay much and training clinical psychologists takes years. It's not like the public school system where you can throw some recent grad, with no experience, into a six month fast-track program and dump them into a poor performing school and call them teachers.
Posted by ACook at 12/11/2007 @ 8:28pm
Posted by METTEYYA 12/11/2007 @ 7:56pm
METT, Europe is not perfect. FYI, cannabis is "tolerated" by the local government but it's still illegal if caught with more than 500 grams. Hard drugs are illegal as well.
As for focusing on the demand side of the illecit drug trade, how do you propose to deal with the Mexican and Columbian drug lords? Do we pay them at wholesale or retail price?
Posted by ACook at 12/11/2007 @ 9:06pm
Posted by ZERO 12/11/2007 @ 8:58pm
ZERO, even if drugs were legal, the addiction rates won't change. Come work with me in the ICU and you'll see what I mean. We had 4 addicts came through the ICU in the last 6 weeks and one of them flatlined. ER docs got him back, but he hasn't woken up yet.
Posted by ACook at 12/11/2007 @ 9:29pm
My father used to say, when he heard the stats for high school drop outs, "there's one less group you'll have to compete with to be succeed in this life." When I hear people advocating relaxed drug laws and punishments I am sad to hear myself say, "OK, that's one less group my kids will have to compete with." I will take limited success to unlimited misery.
Posted by Econ Major at 12/11/2007 @ 9:42pm
somebody run the numbers..............
Posted by MASK 12/11/2007 @ 7:42pm
Drug War Clock
It is Tue Dec 11 2007
Money Spent on the War On Drugs this Year
Federal $18,985,000,000
State $29,142,000,000
Total $48,127,000,000
check out the nifty war on drugs $$$$ clock. [drugsense.org]
hey, here's another one:
Grand Totals $1,330.490,000,000
http://www.briancbennett.com/charts/fed-data/costs/real-costs05.htm
hey that's more than iraq (AND it's only from 1992 -- 2002!!!)
Posted by frosty zoom at 12/11/2007 @ 9:46pm
Zero, I read an article about a week or so ago about San Francisco doing the same thing - providing a safe place for junkies to shoot up while fostering an anti-addiction atmosphere. That's an interesting concept. At first I was like, "WTF?" but the more I thought about it, the more out-of-the-box thinking it seemed.
I'm a supporter of M.A.P.S. [maps.org] but I'd rather see drugs decriminalized for psychological study rather than recreational use.
Posted by FritztheCat at 12/11/2007 @ 9:46pm
Posted by ZERO 12/11/2007 @ 8:58pm
the vancouver program's great, but viceroy harper wants to end that, too.
Despite evidence of continuing HIV transmission among IDUs nationally,10 this government recently announced that no federal funds would be directed to support the operation of needle exchange programs in Canada or the supervised injection facility in Vancouver.11-13
The government has also taken steps apparently aimed at eliminating harm reduction strategies. As part of this effort, the existing Canada's Drug Strategy (CDS) is being replaced with the new Anti-Drug Strategy which has been described as focusing on enforcement, prevention and treatment interventions.13 Harm reduction is no longer part of the strategy, a worrisome departure from the CDS's traditional approach: "Because substance abuse is primarily a health issue rather than an enforcement issue, harm reduction is considered to be a realistic, pragmatic, and humane approach."
read full sept. 2007 report here. [tinyurl.com]
HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by frosty zoom at 12/11/2007 @ 9:52pm
here in canada,
the biggest drug dealer is the government.
TAXES! on nicotine and alcohol (not to mention caffeine).
why is tobacco legal and pot not?
because pot is easy to grow, so anybody can do it, and therefore becomes a taxation problem.
tobacco, however is very hard to grow.
our government draws a fine cost/"benefit" line between the revenue from tobacco sales and the expenditure for health care for tobacco's victims.
read this: http://www.mindfully.org/Health/Tobacco-Helps-Economy.htm
for troubling insight into this phenomenon.
Posted by frosty zoom at 12/11/2007 @ 9:59pm
cats use catnip.
goats eat coffee beans.
cows eat rotten apples.
people eat oxycontin.
fruit flies drink wine.
crows eat rotten cherries.
Posted by frosty zoom at 12/11/2007 @ 10:02pm
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 12/11/2007 @ 9:52pm
FZ, even though you guys have treatment centers for everybody under the sun, what are the numbers on how many users (hard and soft core) are drug free past 2 years? My guess is the numbers are kinda low. Most users trumble off the wagon and roll down the hill before a year is up. Once addicted it's hard to come clean.
Posted by ACook at 12/11/2007 @ 10:07pm
ACOOK....do you really think the Drug War ...is being "won"?
Or that over 48 BILLION a year (FZ's numbers) has shown itself worthwile for the money spent?
Come on...you're a conservative. If a LIBERAL program spent 48 Billion a year, and the problem incrementally got worse (certainly never better) you'd (rightfully) scream bloody murder and demand it cut.
Posted by Mask at 12/11/2007 @ 10:17pm
Posted by ACOOK 12/11/2007 @ 10:07pm
well, as you can see from the above mentioned article, our bushified federal government wants to lock 'em up.
you know, as a musician, i have had friends fall into all sorts of dreadful addictions.
but the most difficult to kick:
tobacco.
Posted by frosty zoom at 12/11/2007 @ 10:18pm
2007 - 1992 = 15 years x say, $50,000,000,000/year = $750,000,000,000
damn!
someone's making some good coin from this farce.
you could have invaded libya or syria for that price.
Posted by frosty zoom at 12/11/2007 @ 10:22pm
My father used to say, when he heard the stats for high school drop outs, "there's one less group you'll have to compete with to be succeed in this life." ECON MAJOR Was your father illiterate or did you just butcher his petty, myopic, self serving quote. Nice handle you douchebag- wow, I sure wish I had my college major as my web moniker- such originality! I don't really condemn you, or even hold you responsible for your bland idiocy- given your father's quote, the condition is obviosly genetic, exacerbated by the no doubt tepid intellectual environment you were born into and obviously continue to fester in.
The war on drugs is a sad joke- decriminalize all drugs and the profit for organized criminal elements will wane. Also, the street price of said drugs will fall, so addicts will be less inclined to rob well meaning suburban dipshits like ECON MAJOR in order to pay for their next fix. As others have said, treat it as the disease it is instead of using it to incarcerate more people per capita than any other nation on earth, and to piss away billions more to the authoritarian "masters of (perpetual) war."
Posted by entropy at 12/11/2007 @ 10:46pm
ACOOK Doesn't "believe" that humans are primates. Please disregard all of "ACOOK's" posts due to his/her manifest stupidity. Thank You.
Posted by entropy at 12/11/2007 @ 10:49pm
Posted by MASK 12/11/2007 @ 10:17pm
Mask, it's not what I think, it's what I see. Addiction tears apart lives and families. There are no winners. I know you libs feel that decriminalizing will help "save" lives, but I gotta be honest and say I have no faith in the rehab system period.
Posted by ACook at 12/11/2007 @ 11:10pm
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 12/11/2007 @ 10:18pm
Tell me FZ, how many of your friends have been clean and sober over 5 years?
Posted by ACook at 12/11/2007 @ 11:11pm
Posted by ENTROPY 12/11/2007 @ 10:49pm
For starters, I'm a woman, and no I don't believe I'm a primate. Now, if you consider yourself something different and furry, I have no issue with it. And, as far as you ignoring me, go right ahead and click that mouse of yours. As a matter of fact, I would be totally honored if you ignored my posts.
Posted by ACook at 12/11/2007 @ 11:18pm
Tell me FZ, how many of your friends have been clean and sober over 5 years?
Posted by ACOOK 12/11/2007 @ 11:11pm
it comes, it goes.
it's quite sad sometimes.
some quit for a long time, others "quit" for a week.
my mom had an addiction to tranquillizers. should she have gone to jail?
Posted by frosty zoom at 12/11/2007 @ 11:21pm
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 12/11/2007 @ 11:21pm
FZ, no, I wouldn't send your mom to jail, but my heart breaks everytime I hear stories that involve drug and alcohol addiction. Few people are able to crawl out of that abyss.
Is she better now?
Posted by ACook at 12/11/2007 @ 11:37pm
Is she better now?
Posted by ACOOK 12/11/2007 @ 11:37pm
well, that becomes a theological question now.
my mom (pbuh) did quit (almost) the pills but she died a couple years later of a broken heart.
thanks for asking.
btw it serves no purpose to differentiate between "drugs" and "alcohol".
alcohol is a very dangerous drug and should be named as such.
Posted by frosty zoom at 12/11/2007 @ 11:43pm
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 12/11/2007 @ 11:43pm
:( ....I'll keep you and your family in my prayers.
And, you're right...alcohol is a drug.
Posted by ACook at 12/11/2007 @ 11:54pm
Posted by ENTROPY 12/11/2007 @ 10:46pm – in part:
"Was your father illiterate or did you just butcher his petty, myopic, self serving quote"
1) In fact, it was a typo on my part and I apologize to the one person who did not realize that minor fact.
2) Who implied that my college major was economics? Perhaps it is just a major interest of mine.
3) Where in my comments did you divine the idea that I was more concerned for the safety of my property than the cost of, at this point, illegal drugs?
4) And to the point of legalizing drugs and the cost coming down, there are non-pecuniary costs attributed to all behaviors. These are sometimes referred to as opportunity costs; what could I have accomplished if I wasn't so high? Also, it is naïve to think government intervention/regulation in the legalization of drugs will lower the cost. Government has regulated tobacco for decades; where has the price gone? Where will that cost fall? On the already ravaged community where the (now legal) drug use/abuse is occurring.
Posted by Econ Major at 12/11/2007 @ 11:57pm
...but I gotta be honest and say I have no faith in the rehab system period.
Posted by ACOOK 12/11/2007 @ 11:10pm | ignore this person
Do you realize that you have substituted "faith in the rehab system" with faith in the criminal justice system...and faith in the prison system?
Do you actually believe that those 'systems' are a better way to deal with addiction?
Posted by Lillian at 12/12/2007 @ 12:04am
Posted by ECON MAJOR 12/11/2007 @ 11:57pm
ECON, he won't respond but I do agree with your assessment.
Posted by ACook at 12/12/2007 @ 12:07am
Posted by LILLIAN 12/12/2007 @ 12:04am
Lillian, I have no faith in either the criminal justice or prison systems. Both cost my brother and several dear friends their lives.
Posted by ACook at 12/12/2007 @ 12:13am
The differences between crack and powder cocaine are socio economic differences, between people that purchase a product that is probably 10 times less costly than the other. One is in the streets, the other probably delivered to a PO Box.
Getting hard on crack is prosecuting this social strata that has the less opportunities to make it in life and the worst temptations and examples. On the other hand being lenient to powder sends a powerful message that if you have money 'private' criminal conduct may be tolerable.
Maybe we will never be able to completely erradicate cocaine from our streets but surely we should make our biggest efforts to give most of the people a sense of purpose to live, a feeling there is always opportunities. And that we can if there was less inequalities, like the one between powder and crack.
Posted by Frank42 at 12/12/2007 @ 12:37am
On the already ravaged community where the (now legal) drug use/abuse is occurring.
Posted by ECON MAJOR 12/11/2007 @ 11:57pm
actually, i would say that people are high on this or that at every level of the economic scale in equal numbers.
and that's a lot of people.
had any coffee lately?
Posted by frosty zoom at 12/12/2007 @ 12:59am
Posted by FRANK42 12/12/2007 @ 12:37am
you know,
indigenous people have used coca leaves for centuries. [en.wikipedia.org]
they don't carjack.
too bad:
coca's turning point in europe came in 1860 when albert niemann extracted pure cocaine powder from coca leaves.
pandora's leaf.
Posted by frosty zoom at 12/12/2007 @ 01:11am
i have a question: why is the word "disproportionate" used to describe the number of blacks and latinos incarcerated for crack cocaine? it's not 'disproportionate'; it is, in fact, 'proportionate', as most white people do not smoke crack, for whatever reason.
this is not a race issue. if someone uses drugs, that is their choice, and nobody else's.
and as far as zero's comments, i'm in full agreement.
Posted by darladoon at 12/12/2007 @ 01:59am
Mask, it's not what I think, it's what I see.----Posted by ACOOK 12/11/2007 @ 11:10pm
Can't you do both? It might help to come up with more effective solutions.
Posted by Mask at 12/12/2007 @ 07:20am
why is tobacco legal and pot not?
because pot is easy to grow, so anybody can do it, and therefore becomes a taxation problem.
tobacco, however is very hard to grow.
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 12/11/2007 @ 9:59pm
Frosty's right. That's exactly why it won't be legalized.
Posted by Sliver at 12/12/2007 @ 08:21am
That's exactly why it won't be legalized.----Posted by SLIVER 12/12/2007 @ 08:21am
Yeah, it will...and the trends pretty indictative of that.
Look, pre-1992, it would have been the death-knell of a Presidential candidate to admit to have even TRIED marijuana. Clinton pulls his waffley "I didn't inhale"...nobody believed him...but it didn't matter. He got elected and re-elected.
Obama already laying the groundwork for pretty casual use of drugs "in his youth" and he's threatening Her Majesty still.
Eventually we get a string of candidates who say "Sure, I smoked pot...who didn't?" and nothing happens to their careers. INCLUDING a few Republicans. Eventually SOMEBODY makes the case I made, that Left or Right, if you spend $48 Billion a year on a problem...and it not only doesn't get better, it often gets worse....you cut your losses and try something new.
Like Clinton on welfare reform...it'll take a Repub to reform the "Drug War"...but eventually, one will. Ultimately...it just makes more FINANCIAL sense.
Posted by Mask at 12/12/2007 @ 09:51am
Lillian, I have no faith in either the criminal justice or prison systems. Both cost my brother and several dear friends their lives.
Posted by ACOOK 12/12/2007 @ 12:13am | ignore this person
Do you actually believe that those 'systems' are a better way to deal with addiction?
Posted by LILLIAN 12/12/2007 @ 12:04am | ignore this person
Posted by Lillian at 12/12/2007 @ 09:57am
Back in the 1980s, Authoritarian people thought they were so smart, thought they were geniuses, talking about "we got to get tough" on Americans who need help. Authoritarianism was the big craze, everyone was saying punish the drug addict. TURNS OUT, Authoritarians were idiots - real stupid people - real idiotic judgmental shhit-for-brains dumbshhits.
George Bush is not an anomaly, George Bush is the culmination, the evolution, of Conservative dumbshhitism. George Bush's wars based on lies are built on the Authoritarian principles the Ronald Reagan established with his war based on lies against Middle-class Americans, Poor Americans, White Americans, Colored Americans - who didn't attack anybody - Conservative Authoritarians talk about how these are bad Americans who we got to throw the key away - but what it really is, is other Americans who just need help.
Posted by conshame at 12/12/2007 @ 10:08am
These days the Authoritarians are going after the illegal immigrants - keep hiring them as landscapers - keep hiring them as housekeepers - keep shopping at the supermarket produce section. But - it's a crisis! The disaster in Iraq is okay - keep sending hundreds billions of dollars there. Don't worry about what George Bush is doing to fucck up America - keep saying the prayer for Bush when you go to right-wing Church - it's those illegal immigrants working Romney and Giuliani and Huckabee's homes we got to worry about, why, they're a crisis. IT'S A CRISIS.
Posted by conshame at 12/12/2007 @ 10:13am
Posted by CONSHAME 12/12/2007 @ 10:08am Posted by CONSHAME 12/12/2007 @ 10:13am
Please tell us that you're NOT a postal employee.
MASK...you may be proven correct, eventually. Whether this is considered under States rights or Federally would probably make the difference in it's passage. At this point in time, my state hasn't given the go-ahead to wrest control of their gambling cartel known as the Lottery, save for a few horse-tracks, which are full of derelicts anyway. Individually, people may want the drug laws relaxed, but governmentally may be a different story.
Given the natural progression of things as you stated (for better or worse), where does a society draw a moral line in the sand? 25 years from now, do we allow pedophiles to marry their victims, since it's cheaper than treatment or incarceration? Can't wait to see MTV's "Who wants to marry a 5 year old". Sounds fairly knee-jerk now, but we have so much "tolerance" these days that even defining one's gender has almost become a hate crime in some places.
Posted by Sliver at 12/12/2007 @ 10:40am
The only thing that this would change would be the old "subsidize the costs and privatize the profits" paradigm. The govt. would be the beneficiary at a cost to the taxpayers (customers), which is the way that alcohol is treated these days.
Posted by Sliver at 12/12/2007 @ 10:46am
ANTHONY DiMAGGIO CounterPunch.org 26 June 2007
'The Bush administration's successes in appointing its preferred nominees to the Supreme Court appear to have paid off in light of the judicial body's recent rulings...'
'Don't criticize what you can't understand.' - Robert Allen Zimmerman (Bob Dylan) 'Paredon!' - Ernesto 'El Carnifero' Guevara............................ ..................................... .. 'Lan Astaslem' - T-shirt, protestor at WTC rally
Posted by HonestLiberal at 12/12/2007 @ 11:07am
ACOOK is simply showing what a little bit of specialized knowledge and a whole lot of general ignorance can do.
Making assertions about what would happen, especially in the face of real-world empirical evidence (like from Canada, Holland, etc.) is the height of either pure dishonesty, or blind faith, neither of which is a good thing.
I am sorry about what happened to your brother... it was your brother, right? Things happen. That's cold comfort, I realize. But to allow that to blind you to the truth is wrong.
Here's the real reason drugs will never be legalized in this country, and most others. The illicit drug trade props up the world markets. It subsidizes the military/police/prison/industrial/financial complex. It's all about money. Period. If drugs were decriminalized in the US, our markets would crash, falling faster than panties on prom night. The US would no longer be able to fund most of its black bag/off-record operations, and the major banks, from CITI to Deutsche Bank would essentially collapse. If you pull the plug on all that extra currency in the market, it will cause the worst worldwide financial depression this world has ever seen.
Posted by jorcheim at 12/12/2007 @ 12:38pm
Posted by SLIVER 12/12/2007 @ 10:40am
Yes, SLIVER, because "obviously" the progression from legalizing a drug (or drugs) millions of people use and have used, and will use regardless of criminality...
is in direct proportion to decriminalizing child rape.
Were you oxygen-deprived at birth or something?
Posted by Mask at 12/12/2007 @ 12:41pm
KVH would not know sanity if it bit her in the ass.----Posted by MARKCANYON 12/12/2007 @ 12:16pm
Something bit MARKHIMMLER in the ass....it'd have to get past his shoulders and neck!
Posted by Mask at 12/12/2007 @ 12:42pm
MASK:
I was about to ask the same thing. SLIVER's comment takes home the gold star for worst comment of the day... and the day isn't even half over yet.
Posted by jorcheim at 12/12/2007 @ 12:51pm
MARKCANYON:
Care to actually make a point, as opposed to just slinging shit around here? Anyone can sit there and hurl insults. Can you actually back up your claim with a cogent and valid argument?
Posted by jorcheim at 12/12/2007 @ 12:53pm
Posted by MASK 12/12/2007 @ 12:41pm
What's the difference? They're both illegal activities at this point...or have I missed something else? Nice to see that you do draw a moral distinction. I'm not so sure that future generations will, given our progressions. Blame Elvis...he never should have swiveled his hips 50 years ago (sarcasm).
See Mask, even YOU feel that it sounds crazy now, while some felt that way about a minority or female President not that long ago.
Posted by Sliver at 12/12/2007 @ 1:18pm
Yes, SLIVER, because "obviously" the progression from legalizing a drug (or drugs) millions of people use and have used, and will use regardless of criminality...
is in direct proportion to decriminalizing child rape.
Actually, the "in direct proportion to" was your addition, not mine. Just making an analogy.
Posted by Sliver at 12/12/2007 @ 1:20pm
Posted by ACOOK 12/11/2007 @ 9:06pm
ACook,
Who cares about so-called Mexican and Columbian drug lords? If you wiped every one of them out, they would be replaced in a matter of days.
Like I said, demand is what is driving this; and with this huge demand, you are "always" going to get people to take a penitentiary risk to meet this demand at a huge profit. This is particularly true in the inner city, where hopelessness abounds, and lottery ticket sales are higher than anywhere else. The chances of winning the lottery are less than getting struck by lightning TWICE, yet people still play. The odds of serving serious prison time are also very high if you sell drugs, but when you have few to no options to make serious money, this risk does not factor in at all.
Changing the education environment, especially in the Inner-city, so kids have real options to live meaningful lives with dignity is the answer. When schools become little more than babysitter services, then the education route does not appear to be a viable option to escape poverty and become part of mainstream America.
Posted by Metteyya at 12/12/2007 @ 1:22pm
SLIVER:
So wait... you were being facetious with that comment about child molesters?
If so, that's pretty crafty, getting MASK to admit grades of morality.
If not... I stand by my previous comment.
Posted by jorcheim at 12/12/2007 @ 1:29pm
What's the difference? They're both illegal activities at this point...or have I missed something else?-----Posted by SLIVER 12/12/2007 @ 1:18pm
You've missed something. Prohibition made alcohol sales illegal...when they passed the 21st Amendment recinding it....did that automatically would make RAPE LEGAL?
And do you suppose pre-1933, that before Prohibition was lifted somebody said "They're both illegal activities at this point...or have I missed something else?" and made the "analogy" that if we ended Prohibition, the next step would be the legalization of sexual assault?
And do you suppose that people laughed their asses off at him TOO?
LOL!
Posted by Mask at 12/12/2007 @ 1:36pm
Posted by JORCHEIM 12/12/2007 @ 1:29pm
I don't think he's that subtle, JORCH.
Posted by Mask at 12/12/2007 @ 1:37pm
BTW, how did America survive before 1937?
1937?....yes, when they passed the Marijuana Tax Act.
See, before that, cannibis was sold OPENLY in US stores (as well as much of the world).
Posted by Mask at 12/12/2007 @ 1:40pm
Posted by MASK 12/12/2007 @ 1:36pm
Well, I suppose that ANALOGIES are beyond your realm, since you can't distinguish between the two, so that all things are directly proportional.
Tell you what...save my post for your little Raymond Babbit daily reader, and I'll get back to you in 2022..K? You may have to translate it to Spanish by then <--- ANALOGY ALERT
Posted by Sliver at 12/12/2007 @ 1:42pm
REINSTATE PROHIBITION!
that's what made my city great!
please, fix our economy.
REINSTATE PROHIBITION!
Posted by frosty zoom at 12/12/2007 @ 1:43pm
Posted by SLIVER 12/12/2007 @ 1:42pm
pot -- illegal.
assault rifles -- legal.
well, as we can see the priorities are already lined up.
Posted by frosty zoom at 12/12/2007 @ 1:45pm
How many guns do you own Frosty? Or are you not allowed to have them. I'm pretty well versed on guns and own several. Can you define what an "assault rifle" is? And how many kids get killed on their bikes by assault rifles vs stoners who drive? Priorities, man.
Posted by Sliver at 12/12/2007 @ 1:54pm
FROSTY ZOOM:
I love you, man. Zingers from the land that vulture capitalism (almost) forgot.
Posted by jorcheim at 12/12/2007 @ 1:56pm
SLIVER:
Actually, the incidence of accidents by people who are high is statistically insignificant when compared to those who drive under the influence of alcohol. Furthermore, there have been studies that show routinely that motor skills and coordination do not necessarily become worse under the influence of cannabis. The same cannot be said for alcohol.
Posted by jorcheim at 12/12/2007 @ 2:00pm
How many guns do you own Frosty? Or are you not allowed to have them. I'm pretty well versed on guns and own several. Can you define what an "assault rifle" is? And how many kids get killed on their bikes by assault rifles vs stoners who drive? Priorities, man.
Posted by SLIVER 12/12/2007 @ 1:54pm
i can own a gun but choose not to.
yuck!
you asked for it:
Primary school incidents
Date Location Attacker(s) Number of Victims[1] Description April 9, 1891 Newburgh, New York, United States James Foster, 70 "several injured" 70 year old James Foster fires a shotgun at a group of male students in the playground of St. Mary's Parochial School, causing minor injuries to several of the students. [2] May 18, 1927 Bath, Michigan, United States Andrew Kehoe, 55 45 dead, 58 injured Bath School disaster. School board member Andrew Kehoe set up a series of explosions in the Bath elementary school. That morning he killed his wife and detonated a bomb inside the school. As people amassed outside, Kehoe detonated his shrapnel-filled vehicle outside of the school. The bombings constituted the deadliest act of mass murder in a school in U.S. history. June 11, 1964 Cologne, Germany Walter Seifert, 42 11 dead, 22 injured Cologne school massacre. Armed with an insecticide sprayer converted into a flamethrower, a lance and a homebuilt mace, 42-year-old Walter Seifert entered the Katholische Volksschule and opened fire on the girls playing in the courtyard. He then knocked in classroom windows with his mace and fired inside. Eight children and two teachers died, twenty children and two teachers survived with very severe burns. After taking a cyanide pill, Seifert died the following day, in custody. May 15, 1974 Ma'alot, Israel DFLP, PLO 26 children killed, 60+ wounded Ma'alot massacre. A group of DFLP terrorists took around 90 school children hostage on the 15. May, 1974, at "Netiv Meir", an elementary school in Ma'alot, a community in northern Israel. Before the deadline at 6:00 p.m., the school was stormed by Israeli special forces, who managed to eliminate all terrorists. 26 hostages had been killed. January 29, 1979 San Diego, California, United States Brenda Ann Spencer, 16 2 dead, 9 injured Armed with a .22 rifle 16-year-old Brenda Ann Spencer opened fire at Cleveland Elementary School. She wounded eight children and one police officer and killed two adults. When the six-hour incident ended, she was asked of her motive for the killing, to which she shrugged and infamously replied "I don't like Mondays. This livens up the day." January 20, 1983 Saint Louis, Missouri, United States David F. Lawler, 14 2 dead, 1 injured During a study hall period at Parkway South Junior High School, eighth grader David F. Lawler used two pistols to kill a fifteen-year-old classmate and severely wound another before turning the guns on himself. [30] May 20, 1988 Winnetka, Illinois, United States Laurie Dann, 30 2 dead, 6 injured 30-year-old Laurie Dann walked into a second grade classroom at Hubbard Woods Elementary School carrying a pistol and two revolvers and began shooting children, killing eight-year-old Nicholas Corwin and wounding five others before fleeing. She entered a nearby house where she shot and wounded a 20-year-old man before killing herself. November 10, 1993 Sarajevo, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbian Military 9 dead Three to four bombs were detonated by the Serbian military at school at Sarajevo. Several children and a teacher were killed in the attack, other children were wounded. July 13, 1995 Bratunac, Yugoslavia, Serbian Bratunac Brigade 80 dead The Vuk Karadzic Elementary School was used as a concentration camp in the Yugoslav wars. Around 80 to 100 of those held there were shot at the school then later dumped at a nearby hill. This reportedly angered a local Serbian commander who had to clean up the mess at the school. This elementary school was also used as a torture site by the Serbian militias. March 13, 1996 Dunblane, Scotland, United Kingdom Thomas Hamilton, 44 18 dead Dunblane massacre. Unemployed former shopkeeper and Scout leader Thomas Hamilton walked into Dunblane Primary School armed with two 9 mm pistols and two .357 Magnum revolvers. He killed sixteen small children and a teacher. The subsequent police investigation revealed that Hamilton had loaded the magazines for his Browning with an alternating combination of fully metal jacketed and hollow point ammunition. This event led to the banning of handguns in the UK with the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997. July 8, 1996 Blakenhall, Wolverhampton, England, United Kingdom Horrett Campbell, 33 7 injured Horrett Campbell, a 33-year-old man with paranoid schizophrenia, invaded a Teddy Bears' Picnic being held at St Luke's Primary School and slashed three young children and four adults with a machete. Lisa Potts, a 20-year-old nursery nurse, was awarded the George Medal for saving children's lives despite suffering severe injuries. October, 1996 Queensland, Australia Paul Streeton 1 injured Paul Streeton set six year old Tjandamurra O'Shane on fire in the playground of his school, burning over 70% of his body. The motive was apparently racism due to the boy's aboriginal background. February 29, 2000 Mount Morris Township, Michigan Dedrick Owens, 6 1 dead Owens took a .32 caliber pistol to Buell Elementary School from his uncle's home and used it to shoot and kill 6 year old Kayla Rolland. February 2, 2001 Red Lion, Pennsylvania, United States William Stankewicz, 55 13 injured William Stankewicz, angry of accusations of molesting his stepdaughters and a recent divorce of his wife, entered North Hopewell Winterstown Elementary School and brutally slashed two teachers and a principal with a machete. He then subsequently wounded several children in a kindergarten classroom before being subdued by a faculty member. [3] June 8, 2001 Ikeda, Osaka, Japan Mamoru Takuma, 37 8 dead, 15 injured Osaka school massacre. Armed with a kitchen knife, a 37-year-old former janitor Mamoru Takuma trespassed into Ikeda Elementary School attached to Osaka-Kyoiku University and stabbed school children and teachers. 8 children were killed and 15 wounded among those were 13 children and 2 teachers. June 1, 2004 Sasebo, Nagasaki, Japan Unidentified girl, 11 1 dead An 11-year-old student, identified only as "Girl A," killed a 12-year-old classmate, Satomi Mitarai, by slitting her throat at Okubo Elementary School in Sasebo, Nagasaki. September, 2004 Suzhou, People's Republic of China ... 28 injured A man armed with a knife and homemade explosives attacked 28 children at a kindergarten. September 1, 2004 Beslan, North Ossetia, Russian Federation Chechen rebels, At least 386 dead, including 31 hostage takers. Over 700 injured. Beslan school hostage crisis . A group of pro-Chechen armed rebels took more than 1,200 school children and adults hostage on September 1, 2004, at School Number One (SNO) in the town of Beslan, North Ossetia. On the third day of the standoff, gunfire broke out between the hostage-takers and Russian security forces. October 2, 2006 Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, United States Charles Carl Roberts, 32 6 dead, 5 injured Amish school shooting. A 32-year-old milk-tank truck driver, took hostages and eventually killed five girls (aged 7–13) and then killed himself at West Nickel Mines School, a one-room Amish schoolhouse. March 18, 2007 Sabayoi, Songkhla, Thailand Insurgents, 3 dead, several injured 3 dead Insurgents attacked Bamrungsart Pondok School with firearms. Three children were killed. It was reported that it was Muslim insurgents who had attacked this Muslim school.
Posted by frosty zoom at 12/12/2007 @ 2:24pm
Secondary school incidents
Date Location Attacker(s) Number of Victims Description May 4, 1956 Maryland, United States Billy Prevatte, 13 3 injured After being suspended for brandishing a knife at school, Billy Ray Prevatte arms himself with a .22 caliber-rifle and shoots an English teacher, a gym classroom instructor and a shop teacher, leaving them in wounded conditions. [4] February, 1968 Hue, Vietnam Viet Cong 170 dead Hue Massacre. The Gia Hoi High School massacre took place during the invasion of Hue during the Vietnam War by the Viet Cong. Afterwards 170 bodies were recovered from the Gia Hoi High School yard alone. May 28, 1975 Brampton, Ontario, Canada Michael Slobodian, 16 3 dead, 13 injured Centennial Secondary School shooting. Michael Slobodian, 16, killed a teacher and student and wounded 13 others at Brampton Centennial Secondary School in Brampton, Ont., before shooting himself. October 27, 1975 Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Robert Poulin, 18 3 dead, 5 injured St. Pius X High School shooting. 18-year-old Robert Poulin opened fire on his class with a shotgun at St. Pius X High School, killing one and wounding five before turning the gun on himself. Poulin had raped and stabbed his 17-year-old friend Kim Rabot to death prior to the incident. A book was written on the incident called Rape Of A Normal Mind. January 21, 1985 Goddard, Kansas, United States, James Kearbey, 14 1 dead, 3 injured 14-year old James Kearbey, a student at Goddard Middle School, arms himself with a M1-A semiautomatic rifle and a .357-caliber handgun and fatally shoots his principal and wounds three teachers. [5] December 4, 1986 Lewistown, Montana, United States, Kristopher Hans, 14 1 dead, 3 injured 14-year old Kristofer Hans, angry over a failing grade, shoots and kills a substitute teacher for a French classroom, and then later wounded a vice principal and two students. [6] March 2, 1987 Missouri, United States Nathan Ferris, 12 2 dead After constant teasing and humiliation about his weight, Nathan Ferris armed himself with a pistol and killed a fellow student after he bullied him in class. He then turned the gun on himself. [7] January 24, 1989 Rauma, Finland ..., 14 2 dead Two students were fatally shot by a 14-year old student at the Raumanmeri secondary school. The shooter had claimed to be a victim of bullying. January 8, 1991 Richardson, Texas, United States Jeremy Wade Delle, 15 1 dead Jeremy Wade Delle brought a .357 Magnum to Richardson High School and committed suicide in front of his class of about 30 students. This incident inspired Pearl Jam's song Jeremy. [31] [32] May 1, 1992 Olivehurst, California, United States Eric Houston, 20 4 dead, 10 injured Armed with a pistol, 20-year-old Eric Houston took hostages at his former high school, killing four people and wounding 10. His motive was his inability to find a good job due to the fact that he had failed a grade at school. He was given the death penalty for the shooting. The 1994 film Hostage High is directly based on the shooting.
Posted by frosty zoom at 12/12/2007 @ 2:27pm
"Given the natural progression of things as you stated (for better or worse), where does a society draw a moral line in the sand? 25 years from now, do we allow pedophiles to marry their victims, since it's cheaper than treatment or incarceration? Can't wait to see MTV's "Who wants to marry a 5 year old". Sounds fairly knee-jerk now, but we have so much "tolerance" these days that even defining one's gender has almost become a hate crime in some places."
Posted by SLIVER 12/12/2007 @ 10:40am
I have always considered you to be an anti-intellectual idiot.
Please tell me you accidentally barfed on your keyboard and the words you posted, were an aberration, not an indication of how your mind does (or does not) work.
Are you seriously comparing violent assault on a minor to consensual adults, recreating with drugs?
"...And how many kids get killed on their bikes by assault rifles vs stoners who drive? Priorities, man."
Can you prove otherwise? Research, man. (Before you run your mouth).
Any attempt to actually learn about that topic, would have shown how factually incorrect you are.
I second you, for stupidest poster of the day.
Posted by Malcontent at 12/12/2007 @ 2:27pm
May 14, 1992 Napa, California, United States John McMahan, 14 2 injured Armed with a .22 Magnum, 14-year old John McMahan opens fire in a science classroom, wounding two. January 18, 1993 Grayson, Kentucky United States Scott Pennington, 17 2 dead Scott Pennington shot and killed teacher Deanna McDavid and custodian Marvin Hicks after entering McDavid's classroom at East Carter High School. Pennington was later found guilty of the murders and sentenced to life imprisonment. [33] December 1, 1993 Wauwatosa, Wisconsin United States Leonard McDowell, 21 1 dead The 21-year-old former student at Wauwatosa West High School shot Associate Principal Dale Breitlow three times with a .44-cal. Taurus revolver in a second-floor hallway. McDowell was found guilty of the murder and sane at the time of the shooting. His life sentence was upheld by the state Court of Appeals in April, 1997. [8] March 25, 1994 Cherokee County, Georgia, United States Brian Head, 15 1 dead 15-year old Brian Head shot and killed himself during his high school economics class at Etowah High School. Head had been a longtime target for bullies because of his weight and thick glasses. His father, Bill, subsequently successfully lobbied for a law that criminalized bullying and required schools to alert parents of bullied children. May 26, 1994 Union, Kentucky, United States Clay Shrout, 17 4 dead Clay Shrout kills his mother, father, and two younger sisters before embarking a hostage situation in a trigonometry classroom.[9] June 17, 1994 Holywood, Northern Ireland, United Kingdom Garnet Bell 6 injured A former pupil bearing a grudge entered an assembly hall at Sullivan Upper School and used a flamethrower to attack students taking A-Level examinations. Six were injured; three seriously. October 12, 1994 Greensboro, North Carolina, United States Nicholas Atkinson, 16 1 dead, 1 injured Nicholas Atkinson, a 16-year old Grimsley High School student, returned to campus after being suspended and shot and wounded the assistant principal with a 9mm handgun before committing suicide. [10] October 12, 1995 South Carolina, United States Toby Sincino, 16 2 dead, 1 injured After being suspended for making an obscene gesture, 16-year old Toby Sincino shoots and wounds a math teacher, then shooting and killing another math teacher before turning the gun on himself. November 15, 1995 Lynnville, Tennessee, United States Jamie Rouse, 17 2 dead, 1 injured The Richland High School shooting occurred when 17-year-old Jamie Rouse walked into the school and shot two teachers in the head, killing one, armed with a .22 Remington Viper. He then fired at the assistant football coach but hit a 14-year-old freshman in the neck, killing her. Stephen Abbott was also charged with criminal responsibility for driving Rouse to school knowing he was armed and intended to shoot up his school. December 8, 1995 Maida Vale, London, England Learco Chindamo, 15 1 dead Headmaster Philip Lawrence was stabbed to death outside the gates of his school by 15-year-old Learco Chindamo at St George's Roman Catholic Secondary School in Maida Vale, London. February 2, 1996 Moses Lake, Washington, United States Barry Loukaitis, 14 3 dead, 1 injured Armed with a high-powered hunting rifle and two handguns, 14-year-old Barry Loukaitis killed his algebra teacher and two students before taking hostages. He also shot a girl in the arm, who he released during the hostage situation. The incident ended when a teacher burst into the room and tackled him. Loukaitis is now serving life in prison. March 25, 1996 Patterson, Missouri, United States Anthony Gene Rutherford, 18, Jonathan Moore, 15, Joseph Burris, 15 1 dead One student had been shot and killed by an 18-year old and two 15-year old students in a rural Christian reform school. September 25, 1996 DeKalb County, Georgia, United States David Dubose Jr., 16 1 dead 16-year old David Dubose Jr. fatally shot a teacher on school campus. February 19, 1997 Bethel, Alaska, United States Evan Ramsey, 16 2 dead, 2 injured Armed with a pump-action 12 gauge shotgun, Evan Ramsey killed a student and the principal of Bethel High School, and wounded two others. He is now serving a 210 year sentence. October 1, 1997 Pearl, Mississippi, United States Luke Woodham, 16 3 dead, 7 injured Student 16-year-old Luke Woodham stabbed and beat his mother to death, then took a .30-30 lever-action deer hunting rifle to Pearl High School where he shot into a crowd of students, killing his ex-girlfriend Christina Menefee and her friend Lydia Kay Dew and wounded seven other students. The incident was ended when Vice Principal Joel Myrick took his personal .45 Colt handgun out of his vehicle and brandished it at Luke Woodham. Woodham later claimed that he did not remember killing his mother. December 2, 1997 West Paducah, Kentucky, United States Michael Carneal, 14 3 dead, 5 injured A 14-year old high school freshman opened fire on a prayer circle at his school killing three students and injuring five.[11] December 15, 1997 Stamps, Arkansas, United States Joseph Todd, 14 2 injured 14-year old Joseph Todd launched a sniper attack at his school that left two students wounded. March 24, 1998 Jonesboro, Arkansas, United States Mitchell Johnson, 13 Andrew Golden, 11 5 dead, 10 injured Jonesboro massacre. 13-year-old Mitchell Johnson and 11-year-old Andrew Golden set off the fire alarm in their Jonesboro school and then, from the woods, open fire on classmates and teachers as they flee the building. Four female students and a teacher are killed, with nine other students and a teacher being wounded in the incident. April 24, 1998 Edinboro, Pennsylvania, United States Andrew Wurst, 14 1 dead, 3 injured 14-year-old Andrew J. Wurst went to the school graduation dance where he shot and killed a popular science teacher. He subsequently opened fire on more students, wounding another teacher and two classmates before he ran out of ammunition. May 19, 1998 Fayetteville, Tennessee, United States Jacob Davis, 18 1 dead Three days before graduation, 18-year-old Jacob Davis shoots and kills a 17-year old student in the parking lot of his school after a dispute regarding his girlfriend. May 21, 1998 Springfield, Oregon, United States Kip Kinkel, 15 4 dead, 25 injured Kip Kinkel opened fire with a .22 rifle at Thurston Senior High School, killing 2 students and wounding 25 before being tackled by a wounded student. His parents were later found at home, murdered by Kinkel. He is now serving 111 years in prison without parole. April 20, 1999 Jefferson County, Colorado, United States Eric Harris, 18 Dylan Klebold, 17 15 dead, 24 injured Columbine High School Massacre. Two teenage students, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, carried out a shooting rampage, killing 12 students and a teacher, as well as wounding 24 others, before committing suicide. Columbine is located in the Columbine CDP of Jefferson County, near the cities of Denver and Littleton. April 28, 1999 Taber, Alberta, Canada Todd Cameron Smith, 14 1 dead, 1 injured W. R. Myers High School shooting. In both the first school shooting since Columbine and the first Canadian school shooting in over 10 years, Todd Cameron Smith brought a sawn-off .22 rifle to W.R Myers High School and shot two students, killing one. May 20, 1999 Conyers, Georgia, United States T.J. Solomon, 15 6 injured 15-year old T.J. Solomon, armed with a .22-caliber rifle and a handgun, opened fire at Heritage High School, wounding six students; one seriously. [12] November 19, 1999 Deming, New Mexico, United States Victor Cordova, Jr., 12 1 dead 12-year old Victor Cordova Jr. shot and killed 13-year old Araceli Tena. Tena died a day later from sustained wounds in life support. December 6, 1999 Fort Gibson, Oklahoma, United States Seth Trickey, 13 4 injured 13-year old Seth Trickey armed himself with his father's 9mm semiautomatic handgun and opened fire of 15-rounds at Fort Gibson Middle School, injuring four classmates. December 7, 1999 Veghel, Netherlands Ali D., 17 5 injured 17-year old Ali D., of Kurdish origin, shot and injured five people at a school. He claimed he wanted to avenge the family honour by shooting his sister's boyfriend, who he believed had brought the family honour to disgrace. The boyfriend, three other students and a teacher were injured in the shooting. Ali D. was sentenced to five years in prison, his father was sentenced to eight years. October 20, 1999 Houston, Texas, United States Estanislao Balderas, 14 1 dead Balderas stabbed a 13-year-old boy named Samuel Avila in the head with a screwdriver in a fight at Deady Middle School. Samuel Avila died. Balderas was arrested and prosecuted [34]. March 16, 2000 Brannenburg, Bavaria, Germany ..., 16 1 dead, 1 injured A 16-year old student fatally shot a teacher and then turned the handgun on himself but survived, and has been in a coma ever since.[13] January 18, 2001 Bromma, Stockholm, Sweden ..., 17 ..., 19 1 dead A 16-year-old student was shot dead in the toilets of the Bromma Gymnasium (high school). March 5, 2001 Santee, California, United States Charles Andrew Williams, 15 2 dead, 13 injured Armed with .22 revolver, 15-year-old Charles Andrew Williams opened fire in a male toilet facility at Santana High School, killing two students. He then exited the bathroom and shot at nearby students, wounding 13. Shortly afterwards he retreated back into the toilets where he surrendered to police. March 7, 2001 Williamsport, Pennsylvania, United States Emily Bush, 14 1 injured 14-year old Emily Bush opened fire in her Catholic school cafeteria, wounding one female student. March 22, 2001 San Diego, California, United States Jason Hoffman, 18 5 injured 18-year old Jason Hoffman opened fire with his handgun and shotgun at Granite Hills High School, wounding two teachers and three students before being shot and wounded by a police officer. While awaiting trial, Hoffman committed suicide in prison by hanging. [14] March 30, 2001 Gary, Indiana, United States Donald R. Burt, 17 1 dead Expelled 17-year old student Donald R. Burt, Jr. shoots and kills 16-year old Neal Boyd III in the parking lot of Lew Wallace High School. May 26, 2000 Lake Worth, Florida, United States Nate Brazill, 13 1 dead One teacher, Barry Grunow, had been shot and killed at Lake Worth Middle School by 13-year old Nate Brazill with .25-caliber semiautomatic pistol on the last day of classes. Brazill was convicted of the murder and sentenced to twenty-five years in prison. [15] November 12, 2001 Caro, Michigan, United States Chris Buschbacher, 17 1 dead 17-year old Chris Buschbacher, armed with a .22-caliber rifle and a 20-gauge shotgun, took one teacher and one student hostage at the Caro Learning Center before killing himself. January 15, 2002 New York, New York, United States ... 2 injured A teenager critically wounded two students at Martin Luther King Jr. High School. April 26, 2002 Erfurt, Thuringia, Germany Robert Steinhäuser, 19 17 dead, 7 injured Erfurt massacre, 19 year old Robert Steinhäuser, who was permanently expelled from school in October 2001, entered the Gutenberg-Gymnasium in Erfurt and shot 13 teachers, two students and a police officer. He then committed suicide. April 14, 2003 New Orleans, Louisiana, United States ... 1 dead, 4 injured At 10:30 AM, several men armed with an AK-47 entered the school gymnasium of John McDonogh High School and executed Jonathan "Caveman" Williams, a football player. The killers fired at least 18 times, shattering Williams' face and injuring three neighboring girls. A stampede of students trampled a pregnant girl.[16][17][18] April 24, 2003 Red Lion, York County, Pennsylvania, United States James Sheets, 14 2 dead The Red Lion Area Junior High School Murder/Suicide was committed when 14-year-old James Sheets fatally shot his school principal in his middle school cafeteria and later committed suicide by shooting himself with a second handgun. [19] September 24, 2003 Cold Spring, Minnesota, United States Jason McLaughlin, 15 2 dead Rocori High School shooting. 15-year-old Jason McLaughlin shot Aaron Rollins and Seth Bartell at Rocori High School with a .22 pistol. Rollins died the same day; Bartell died October 10 of injuries sustained in the attack.[20] January 13, 2004 Den Haag, The Netherlands Murat Demir, 16 1 dead Murat Demir shot Hans van Wieren, a 49-year-old teacher and vice principal at Terra College. Van Wieren was taken to the hospital and died on January 13 in the evening as a result of his gun shot wound. February 2, 2004 Washington, D.C., United States Thomas J. Boykin, 19 1 dead 19 year old Thomas J. Boykin fatally shot 17 year old James Richardson at Ballou Senior High School. Boykin was later acquitted on the charge of murder. [21] February 3, 2004 Palmetto Bay, Florida, United States Michael Hernandez, 14 1 dead 14-year old Michael Hernandez stabbed and slit the throat of a 14-year-old classmate, Jaime Rodrigo Gough, while in a restroom at Southwood Middle School. Hernandez was tried as an adult, and sentenced to life in prison without parole. A search of his home revealed he had concocted plans to murder several classmates and his older sister. His journal revealed he was obsessed with perfection, and admired Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. September 28, 2004 Carmen de Patagones, Buenos Aires Province, Argentina ..., 15 3 dead, 5 injured Armed with his father's 9mm pistol, a 15-year-old boy opened fire on his classmates during a flag-hoisting, killing 3 students and wounding 5 others. November 26, 2004 Ruzhou, China ... 8 dead, 4 injured With no apparent motive, an intruder stabbed eight students to death and injured four others at Ruzhou's Number Two High School in the sixth such incident in China in a four month period. [22] March 2, 2005 Cumberland City, Tennessee, United States Jason Clinard, 14 1 dead 14-year old Jason Clinard shot and killed school bus driver Joyce Gregory, who had been carrying a bus of 24 students. [23] March 21, 2005 Red Lake, Minnesota, United States Jeffrey Weise, 16 10 dead, 12+ injured Red Lake High School massacre. Jeffrey Weise, a student at Red Lake High School in Red Lake, Beltrami County, Minnesota, killed his grandfather and his girlfriend before killing seven more people at the school including a teacher and a security guard. Weise then took his own life.
Posted by frosty zoom at 12/12/2007 @ 2:30pm
November 8, 2005 Jacksboro, Tennessee, United States Kenneth Bartley, Jr., 14 1 dead, 2 injured After being confronted about of a gun on school property, 14-year old Kenneth Bartley opened fire on three school administrators at Campbell County High School, killing assistant principal Ken Bruce and critically wounding the principal and another assistant principal. The shooting was not premeditated. [24] January 13, 2006 Longwood, Florida, United States Chris Penley, 15 1 dead 15 year old Chris Penley brought a handgun to Milwee Middle School, and held his class hostage for a short time before eventually being fatally shot in a bathroom by police. It was soon discovered that the gun was actually a pellet gun, causing controversy over whether his death was justified. February 9, 2006 Houston, Texas, United States Ronald Walker, 26 1 injured Walker raped a 15-year old girl in a second-floor toilet facility at Westbury High School. Walker pled guilty to the charge [25]. February 24, 2006 Bellaire, Texas, United States Name unknown 1 injured A stabbing involving two male freshman occurred in a school stairwell of Bellaire High School. The victim survived the stabbing while the perpetrator was arrested and prosecuted. The attacker was a national of Mexico.[26] March 14, 2006 Reno, Nevada, United States James Newman, 14 2 injured The Pine Middle School shooting occurred when 14-year-old James Newman brought his father's revolver to Pine Middle School and wounded two students. He was sentenced to house arrest and community service, which outraged several members of the public when he was not sentenced to prison. August 30, 2006 Hillsborough, North Carolina, United States Alvaro Rafael Castillo, 19 1 dead, 2 injured 19-year-old Alvaro Rafael Castillo opened fire at Orange High School with a rifle and shotgun, shooting eight times and wounding two students. Officers ordered him to stop firing and he immediately complied. Castillo killed his father with a firearm before driving to school in a van. In the van police officers found ammunition, pipe bombs, and other weapons. Castillo will be charged with first-degree murder in the death of his father while charges for the school shooting are pending. [27] September 27, 2006 Bailey, Colorado, United States Duane Morrison, 53 2 dead, 6 injured A gunman, later identified as 53-year-old Duane Morrison of Denver, took six female students hostage at Platte Canyon High School. After sexually assaulting some of them, he released four of the hostages. When 16-year-old Emily Keyes tried to run away, Morrison shot her in the back of the head before killing himself. Keyes was flown to St. Anthony Central Hospital in Denver, where she died a short time later. [28][29] September 29, 2006 Cazenovia, Wisconsin, United States Eric Hainstock, 15 1 dead Eric Hainstock, 15, a freshman at Weston High School, brought a shotgun and a handgun to school and confronted the principal. The shotgun was wrestled away from him, but in a struggle over the handgun Hainstock shot the principal, who died later of his wounds. Hainstock had complained that the principal and teachers had failed to stop homophobic bullying directed at him. He also had recently received discipline for bringing tobacco to school and throwing a stapler at a teacher. Hainstock suffered from long term ADHD and abusive treatment at home. He was tried as an adult and sentenced to life in prison. October 2, 2006 Las Vegas, Nevada, United States ... no injuries An ex-student of Mojave High School went on campus with a gun, his motive unknown at the time. Students recognized him as not being a student anymore and notified school police immediately. The suspect ran from the school and ditched his gun behind a church close to Mojave. Mojave, as well as 3 middle schools and one elementary school were placed on lockdown while police searched for him. [30] October 9, 2006 Joplin, Missouri, United States Thomas White, 13 no injuries A 13-year-old student fired a cheap imitation AK-47 inside his middle school after confronting two others students and his principal. The student was wearing a mask and had pointed the gun at the principal, the assistant superintendent and two students, saying, "please don't make me do this". After firing a shot into the ceiling and breaking a water pipe, the student's gun jammed when he attempted to fire additional shots. The student was then confronted by police officers and taken into custody. Officers also found a note in the student's backpack indicating that he had placed an explosive in the school (which has 700 students). No one was injured in the incident. [31] October 17, 2006 Fort Bend County, Texas, United States Michael Priest, 16 1 dead A Seven Lakes High School student committed suicide outside the cafeteria. The school was forced into lockdown for about two hours while the school officials fielded concerns of worried parents, who found out via texting of Seven Lakes students. No other students were hurt, nor did the teen plan on hurting any other student. Though he was not pronounced dead immediately, he was declared DOA as soon as his parents were notified. November 20, 2006 Emsdetten, Germany Sebastian Bosse, 18 1 dead, 27 injured An 18-year-old former student entered the Geschwister Scholl school in western Germany with two sawed off shotguns and an explosive device, and injured a teacher, 9 students, the school janitor, and 16 police officers. Police stormed the building, and the shooter released several smoke bombs as he retreated to the third floor, which caused most of the police injuries due to smoke inhalation. The suspect apparently killed himself. December 12, 2006 Springfield, Pennsylvania, United States Shane Halligan, 16 1 dead 16-year old Shane Halligan entered Springfield Township High School, armed with an AK-47, and fatally shot himself after firing the firearm in the hallways to alert others to back away. January 3, 2007 Tacoma, Washington, United States Douglas Chanthabouly, 18 1 dead Douglas Chanthabouly entered Henry Foss High School and fatally shot 17-year old Samnang Kok in the face with a handgun. January 19, 2007 Sudbury, Massachusetts, United States John Odgren, 16 1 dead 15-year-old James Alenson was stabbed to death with a knife in a high school washroom in the East House section by 16-year old John Odgren. February 8, 2007 Prineville, Oregon United States Marc Hollingsworth, 18 1 dead An 18-year-old male high school student committed suicide with a gunshot wound to the head in the high school's parking lot. He was found by a student around 2:30pm.[citation needed] March 7, 2007 Midland, Michigan, United States David Turner, 17 1 dead, 1 injured 17-year old David Turner shot and critically wounded 17-year old Jessica Forsyth four times outside Herbert Henry Dow High School before killing himself in the parking lot. [32] March 7, 2007 Greenville, Texas, United States Joey Horn, 16 1 dead, A 16-year-old male high school student fatally shot himself while in the band hallway area of the school around 7:15am.[citation needed] March 18, 2007 Sabayoi, Thailand ... 3 dead, 7 injured A number of attackers threw explosives and fired numerous bullets at an Islamic school killing 3 teens and injured 7 others who were sleeping.[33] April 10, 2007 Gresham, Oregon, United States Chad Escobedo, 15 10 injured High school freshman Chad Escobedo shoots the windows out of two classrooms from outside Springwater Trail High School injuring ten students with shrapnel and broken glass, two of which required stitches. His motive was to shoot at a class in which he was enrolled, unhappy that the instructor had called his parents; the classrooms he hit, however, were not his intended target [34]. April 18, 2007 Huntersville, North Carolina, United States Josh Emerson Cook, 16 1 dead A 16-year-old threatened two students in the parking lot at North Mecklenberg High School with a gun and shot himself at a local gas station when confronted by police.[35] Four Charlotte-Mecklenberg schools went on lockdown. May 4, 2007 El Maton, Texas United States Allison Camacho, 15 1 dead A female 15-year-old student at Tidehaven High School fatally shot herself in the school's restroom. Her body was found by another student from her band class after she did not return. The school campus had been subsequently put on lockdown.[36] May 23, 2007 Toronto, Canada Unknown 1 dead C.W. Jefferys Collegiate Institute shooting. A 15-year-old boy was shot at high school C.W. Jefferys Collegiate Institute, in Toronto, Ontario. Police have confirmed the death of the boy.[37][38][39] September 28, 2007 Oroville, California, United States Greg Wright, 17 no injuries A 17-year old student held three girls hostage at Las Plumas High School for nearly an hour after releasing twenty-seven other students and an instructor in a band room. The gunman allegedly fired numerous gunshots through the ceilings while the three girls were in his custody. When police arrived, the gunman peacefully surrendered. [40] October 7, 2007 Crandon, Wisconsin, United States Tyler Peterson, 20 7 dead, 1 injured At an off-campus homecoming party, a 20-year-old full-time deputy in the Forest County Sheriff's Department, who was also a part-time officer at the Crandon Police Department, murdered six people students and recent graduates of Crandon High School (ages 14 to 20) after a dispute.[41] Peterson was initially believed to have been killed by a police sniper, but it was later reported that he may have committed suicide by multiple gunshots.[42] October 10, 2007 Cleveland, Ohio, United States Asa H. Coon, 14 1 dead, 5 injured A 14-year-old student, reportedly upset about a suspension, went on a shooting spree in SuccessTech Academy and wounded two to four people before his death. The gunman had committed suicide when police executed a manhunt search. [43][44] October 11, 2007 Amsterdam, Netherlands Hüseyin P., 14 1 dead A 14-year-old student, identified only as Hüseyin P., stabs 16-year old classmate Youssef Mokhtari to death at a school in the Slotervaart borough of Amsterdam. The victim had reportedly made a joke about the surname of the perpetrator. [35] October 17, 2007 Mokane, Missouri, United States ..., 11 1 injured An 11-year-old student at South Callaway Middle School in Mokane leaves school property and travels to a nearby farm, stealing three guns and eventually shoots at a school administrator off-campus while the school remained in lock-down for approximately 40 minutes. [45] November 7, 2007 Tuusula, Finland Pekka-Eric Auvinen, 18 9 dead, 13 injured Jokela school shooting. An 18-year old man opened fire a high school in Jokela killing 8 people including the school's principal using a SIG Mosquito .22 calibre pistol. It was one of the first notable shootings in Finland. Auvinen was pronounced dead at a hospital after trying to take his own life. [46] The shooter posted a video entitled "Jokela High School Massacre - 11/7/2007" on YouTube a day before the incident. [47][48] November 12, 2007 Houston, Texas, United States Larry Paul Newton, 48 1 injured Newton, a mentally ill man, appeared on the property of Lamar High School before classes and injured 14-year old Catherine Sullivan, a female Lamar student, by stabbing her arm. Several male students aided Sullivan by beating and holding the attacker. An HISD police officer subdued Newton, leading to his arrest. [49]. Sullivan received stitches after the attack [50]. December 12, 2007 Gurgaon, Haryana, India Akash Vadav, 14 and Vikas Yadav, 13 1 dead Euro International school shooting Akash Yadav brings his father's gun that was kept unlocked and hid it in the school toilet, After school was over he shot classmate 14-year old Abhishek Tyagi five times at close range over a fight they had a few days ago. [51]
Posted by frosty zoom at 12/12/2007 @ 2:30pm
yep, those pot heads are killing our kids.
Posted by frosty zoom at 12/12/2007 @ 2:30pm
College and university school incidents
Date Location Attacker(s) Number of Victims Description June 4, 1936 Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, United States Wesley Crow 2 dead Wesley Crow shot and killed his Lehigh University English instructor, C. Wesley Phy. Crow went to Phy's office and demanded that Mr. Phy change his grade to a passing mark. Crow committed suicide after shooting Phy. [52] November 13, 1949 Columbus, Ohio, United States James Heer 1 dead Ohio State University freshman James Heer of Euclid, Ohio grabbed a .45 caliber handgun from the room of a Delta Tau Delta fraternity brother and shot and killed Jack McKeown, 21, of Norwood, Ohio, a Ohio State senior and fraternity brother. [53] May 15, 1954 Chapel Hill, North Carolina, United States ... 1 dead, 2 injured Putnam Davis Jr. was shot and killed during a fraternity house carnival at the Phi Delta Theta house at the University of North Carolina. William Joyner and Allen Long were shot and wounded during the exchange of gunfire in their fraternity bedroom. The incident took place after an all night beer party. Mr. Long reported to the police that, while the three were drinking beer at 7am, Davis pulled out a gun and started shooting with a gun he had obtained from the car of a former roommate. [54] August 1, 1966 Austin, Texas, United States Charles Whitman 18 dead, 31 injured University of Texas Clock Tower Shootings. After killing his wife and mother, Charles Whitman pointed a rifle from the observation deck of the University of Texas at Austin's Tower and began shooting in a homicidal rampage that went on for 96 minutes. He killed fifteen people and wounded 31 others before being shot dead by police. David Gunby was wounded in the shooting but died 35 years later after ceasing dialysis May 4, 1970 Kent, Ohio, United States Ohio National Guard 4 dead, 10 injured National Guard open fire on student protesters at Kent State University during an anti-Vietnam rally, killing 4 and wounding 10. See Kent State University shootings for more information. May 14-15, 1970 Jackson, Mississippi, United States Police 2 dead, 12 injured Jackson State killings. Police kill two and injure twelve students during Vietnam War riots. July 12, 1976 Fullerton, California, United States Edward Charles Allaway 7 dead, 2 injured California State University, Fullerton library massacre. A custodian opens fire on his fellow workers in the California State University, Fullerton library, killing seven and injuring two August 18, 1978 San Francisco, California, United States Theodore Streleski 1 dead Theodore Streleski murdered his mathematician professor, Karel deLeeuw at Stanford University by bludgeoning him with a ball-peen hammer. He was also found with a hit list containing deLeeuw's name. December, 1979 Seattle, Washington, United States Roger Cutsinger 1 dead In December, 1979, Roger Cutsinger, 21, fatally shot his roommate and lover, Larry Duerkson, for a $500,000 insurance policy in which Cutsinger was named beneficiary. Duerkson, a University of Washington library employee, was walking between Parrington Hall and the Henry Art Gallery when Cutsinger shot him. Cutsinger was later convicted of first-degree murder. April 5, 1982 Hot Springs, Arkansas, United States Kelvin Love 2 dead Kelvin Love, a student at Garland County Community College, killed an instructor and another student. December 17, 1983 Ithaca, New York, United States Su Yong Kim 2 dead Non-student Su Yong Kim enters the Low Rise 7 dormitory and kills Cornell University freshmen Young Hee Suh and Erin Nieswand with a rifle. [36] December 6, 1989 Montreal, Quebec, Canada Marc Lépine 15 dead, 14 injured École Polytechnique massacre. Marc Lépine took a hunting rifle into École Polytechnique de Montréal, killed 14 women, wounded four men and ten women before committing suicide. It remains to this day the worst massacre in Canadian history. July, 1989 Seattle, Washington, United States Azizolla Mazooni 2 dead In July, 1989, a California man, Azizolla Mazooni, shot and killed his ex-girlfriend, Marjan Mohseninia, and her friend, Abraham Sharif-Kashani, in a UW parking lot. Mazooni had hired a private detective to locate Mohseninia, who was a summer student at the university. Mazooni was later convicted on two counts of second-degree murder. November 1, 1991 Iowa City, Iowa, United States Gang Lu 6 dead, 1 injured After his dissertation did not win a certain academic award, Ph.D. physics student Gang Lu shot six people before committing suicide. Five were killed, including three professors. A student employee was paralyzed. August 24, 1992 Montreal, Quebec, Canada Valery Fabrikant 4 dead Former professor Dr. Valery Fabrikant went on a shooting rampage at Montreal's Concordia University killing four. Was the second school shooting to happen in Montreal. December 14, 1992 Great Barrington, Massachusetts, United States Wayne Lo, 18 2 dead, "several" injured Armed with a SKS carbine, 18-year-old Simon's Rock College of Bard student Wayne Lo killed a professor and a student and wounded several others. He was convicted of murder and sentenced to life imprisonment without parole. April 4, 1994 Aarhus, Denmark ..., 35 3 dead, 2 injured A 35-year old student at Aarhus University entered the cafeteria of his University around 11 AM with a shotgun. He shot and killed two female students and wounded two others. Soon afterwards he went to the men's room where he committed suicide. January 26, 1995 Chapel Hill, North Carolina, United States Wendell Williamson 2 dead, 2 injured Wendell Williamson, a law student and schizophrenic, opened fire on Franklin Street with an M-1 rifle, killing two and injuring two others, including a Chapel Hill police officer. August 15, 1996 San Diego, California, United States Frederick M. Davidson, 36 3 dead Frederick M. Davidson, shot Dr. Chen Liang, Dr. Constantinos Lyrintzis, and Dr. D. Preston Lowrey during a meeting at which he was to defend his master's thesis. He pleaded guilty to three counts of murder and is serving a life term in state prison. [37] September 17, 1996 University Park, Pennsylvania, United States Jillian Robbins, 19 1 dead, 1 injured Hetzel Union Building shooting. 19 year old Jillian Robbins opened fire on students walking to classes at The Pennsylvania State University, killing one student and wounding another. October 16, 1996 West Lafayette, Indiana, United States Jarrod Allen Eskew, 19 2 dead On October 15, 1996 Jay Severson, 27 a Wiley Hall counselor at Purdue University caught Jarrod Allen Eskew, 19 of Crawfordsville, Indiana cutting cocaine in his dorm room. Severson called the Purdue Police Department but when they arrived Eskew had fled. Eskew returned the next day at 2:50 pm with a sawed off 12-gauge shotgun while under the influence of both marijuana and cocaine. Eskew went to Severson's Wiley Hall dorm room and fatally shot Severson in the head. He then barricaded himself in his third floor dorm room. A janitor found the body a short time later. SWAT and police took up positions around Wiley Hall. Police evacuated Wiley Hall, attempted to negotiate, fired tear gas, and stormed the room to find Eskew had taken his own life with the shotgun. [55][56] August 3, 1999 Latrobe University, Melbourne, Australia Jonathon Brett Horrocks 1 dead, 1 injured La Trobe University shooting. The incident took place at 11:05 am when a man walked into the Eagle Bar on the La Trobe Bundoora campus armed with a .38-calibre revolver and shot and wounded a young woman before shooting bar manager Leon Capraro, killing him instantly. He then attempted to shoot at others but was restrained by patrons until police came and arrested him. June 28, 2000 Seattle, Washington, United States Jian Chen, 42 2 dead Jian Chen entered the University of Washington Medical Center around 3:45 PM and went to the office of his former supervisor, 57 year old Doctor Rodger Haggitt. Chen closed the door to Haggett's office and pulled out a gun and killed Haggett. Chen then turned the gun on himself and committed suicide. May 18, 2001 Pierce County, Washington, United States Donald D Cowan, 55 2 dead Around 3 PM, Donald D Cowan walked onto the Pacific Lutheran University campus armed with a 9mm handgun and a .22 caliber handgun. Cowan saw music professor James D. Holloway standing outside a residence hall. Cowan fired four times, striking Holloway three times in the torso and once in the head. Cowan then walked over to his victim, dropped a 16 page suicide note, put the gun to his head and shot himself once. Cowan died later that day at Madigan Army Medical Center. Cowan was obsessed over a female faculty member at PLU and killed Holloway out of "personal animosity" towards the woman, who had tried for years to get Cowan to leave her alone. Cowan also had a criminal history in Hawaii for stalking, and was thought to be mentally ill. January 16, 2002 Grundy, Virginia, United States Peter Odighizuwa, 43 3 dead, 3 injured Appalachian School of Law shooting. 43-year-old Appalachian School of Law student Peter Odighizuwa shot and killed the Law School Dean, Contracts Professor and another student; three others were wounded . The incident was ended when two students with personal firearms subdued the shooter. He was sentenced to multiple life terms in prison. Peter 'O' was a Nigerian student attending the school on a student visa. The school later settled a lawsuit by some of the surviving victims and their families brought over the schools failure to take action when the student showed signs of psychosis and made threats. October 21, 2002 Melbourne, Australia Huan Xiang 2 dead, "others" wounded Monash University shooting. Huan Xiang, a commerce student at the university, armed with five loaded handguns, opened fire in a tutorial room. Two students, William Wu and Steven Chan, were killed and others seriously wounded. Xiang was found not guilty of murder due to mental illness, and was ordered to be sent to a psychiatric hospital. October 28, 2002 Tucson, Arizona, United States Robert Flores, 41 4 dead Three nursing professors were shot dead at the University of Arizona by a student failing the nursing program. Robert J. Flores, Jr., 41, shot and killed Robin Rogers, 50, Barbara Monroe, 45, and Cheryl McGaffic, 44 before turning the gun on himself. Two of the teachers were shot in a classroom and the gunman allowed the students to leave before killing himself. May 9, 2003 Cleveland, Ohio, United States Biswanath Halder, 62 1 dead, 2 injured Biswanath Halder, a 62-year-old man, opened fire with an automatic weapon on his former school, Case Western Reserve University. He killed one student, seriously wounded two others, and kept over 90 people hiding for their lives for seven hours. After vigorous and bullet-ridden gun battles with school police and SWAT officers, Halder surrendered and was sentenced to life in prison. August 4, 2004 Beijing, China Xu Heping, 51 1 dead, 17 injured Xu Heping, a 51-year-old doorman with a history of mental illness, stabbed several students and teachers in Beijing University's Number One Hospital, killing a child and wounding 17 others, 14 of whom were children. September 3, 2006 Shepherdstown, West Virginia, United States Douglas W. Pennington, 49 3 dead Douglas W. Pennington, 49, killed his sons Logan P. Pennington, 26, and Benjamin M. Pennington, 24, during a visit to the campus at Shepherd University before shooting and killing himself. The shootings occurred at about 2 p.m.[38]. September 13, 2006 Montreal, Quebec, Canada Kimveer Gill 2 dead, 19 injured Dawson College shooting. On September 13, 2006 at Dawson College, a CEGEP in Westmount near downtown Montreal. The perpetrator, Kimveer Gill, began shooting outside the de Maisonneuve Boulevard entrance to the school, and moved towards the atrium by the cafeteria on the main floor. One victim died later in the next day due to her serious injuries at the hospital, while another 19 were injured, eight of whom were listed in critical condition with six requiring surgery. The gunman later committed suicide by shooting himself in the head, after being shot in the arm by police. The Dawson incident was the third fatal school shooting in the city. September 17, 2006 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, United States ... 5 injured Shots are fired outside Duquesne University's Vickroy Hall after a dance party sponsored by the Black Student Union which several non-students were attending. Five members of the Duquesne Dukes basketball team were injured during the shooting including one who sustained critical injuries after an argument between 1 individual and 2 students. April 2, 2007 Seattle, Washington, United States Jonathan Rowan, 41 2 dead Rowan entered Gould Hall on the University of Washington's Seattle Campus and headed to the fourth floor where he entered the office of his ex-girlfriend Rebecca Griego, 26, a program coordinator for the College of Architecture and Urban Planning. Rowan fired two shots, the first taking Griego's life and the second ending his own. Griego was aware that Rowan was tracking her down and had alerted the authorities as well as co-workers to be on the lookout but nothing was done, raising questions about the UWPD and campus security. [39] April 16, 2007 Blacksburg, Virginia, United States Seung-Hui Cho, 23 33 dead, 25 injured The Virginia Tech massacre was the single most deadly civilian gunfire incident in American higher education history. It occurred at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University. Thirty-two people were killed by gunman Seung-Hui Cho in two separate locations, about two hours apart: West Ambler Johnston Hall, where two were shot dead, and Norris Hall, where the remaining 30 were shot in an attack lasting nine minutes. The gunman then took his own life. Police reported that 25 others were injured, some in the Norris Hall shooting, others when they jumped from second-story windows to escape. May 8, 2007 Bundoora, Victoria, Australia Sarah Jean Cheney, 23 1 injured Sarah Jean Cheney stabbed Jemma Clancy, a 27 year old behavioral science student, three times with a steak knife. The incident occurred in the Borchardt library at the Bundoora campus of La Trobe University. Sarah Jean Cheney did not know Jemma Clancy personally and expressed that she just desired to kill someone. Jemma Clancy was taken to hospital in a serious but stable condition.[40] July 3 to July 10, 2007 Islamabad, Pakistan Numerous students and soldiers Figures have not been released; 20 deaths and over a hundred injuries reported, some claim hundreds and possibly more than a thousand died Pro-Taliban students barricaded themselves in the Lal Masjid (Red Mosque), a mosque that is attached to a religious school for women (the Jamia Hafsa madrasah) and a male madrasah. The Pakistani government sieged the mosque for a week, having numerous gun battles in heavy, room-to-room fighting until the all the defenders were killed, captured, or had surrendered. [41] August 4, 2007 Newark, New Jersey, United States Jose Carranza, 28 and two 15-year old unidentified boys 3 dead, 1 wounded Three Delaware State University students were forced to kneel against an elementary school wall and were shot execution-style by 28-year old Jose Carranza and two 15-year old juveniles. A fourth student was found with gunshot wounds to her head. September 21, 2007 Dover, Delaware, United States Loyer D. Braden, 18 2 injured Delaware State University shooting - an 18-year old student of Delaware State University opens fire of four to six rounds and wounds two 17-year old students, one injured seriously. The student was arrested two days later after escaping and was charged with attempted murder, assault and reckless endangerment. [42]
Posted by frosty zoom at 12/12/2007 @ 2:33pm
ACOOK,
So, according to you all drugs are bad all the time. And all laws should be based on your personal experiences and prejudices instead of facts and reason?
What about me? I have been a recreational drug user for over 30 yrs. Somehow, I've managed to start a business, buy a home, employ other people, pay taxes, become an asset to my small community, help my ex raise her boys, and put one through college. I have never collected welfare, unemployment, the EIC (back when I did qualify) or even ever file a claim on my insurance. (No, accidents in 30 yrs of driving, sliver. Research!).
So, I should be harassed, my civil liberties impugned, fined and incarcerated?
Or I should continue to live in a world that criminalizes my victim-less lifestyle?
Or is it just all about you, and what you want/feel comfortable with?
Posted by Malcontent at 12/12/2007 @ 2:35pm
Oh Yeah!
I Bet All Those Kid-Killing Kids Were High On Pot.
Posted by I'M CLUELESS 12/12/2007 @ 2:36pm | ignore this person
Posted by frosty zoom at 12/12/2007 @ 2:37pm
'scuse the volume. sometimes it seems the best way to make a point.
thanks for your patience,
fz.
Posted by frosty zoom at 12/12/2007 @ 2:39pm
I Bet All Those Kid-Killing Kids Were High On Pot.
With that logic, we should have a shooting EVERY DAY in every high school in America, since pot use occurs daily in every high school.
Posted by Metteyya at 12/12/2007 @ 2:42pm
With that logic, we should have a shooting EVERY DAY in every high school in America, since pot use occurs daily in every high school.
Posted by METTEYYA 12/12/2007 @ 2:42pm
no, those kids were "low" not high.
and they were "low" from too many tokes on the doobie of a nihilistic society that thinks,
happiness is a warm gun.
Posted by frosty zoom at 12/12/2007 @ 2:49pm
the legalization of marijuana has nothing to do with taxation or its cultivation problem.
it has to do with morality. even peter drucker himself has admitted this publicly (in the economist).
Posted by darladoon at 12/12/2007 @ 3:07pm
DARLADOON:
Could you elaborate please?
Posted by jorcheim at 12/12/2007 @ 3:27pm
I have been a recreational drug user for over 30 yrs...
IOW, you broke the law 30 years ago and have continued to flagrantly flout the law ever since. The rest is just a lame attempt to validate it. Did you ever wonder what message your actions sends to others about respect for the law?
Or is it just all about you, and what you want/feel comfortable with?
Posted by MALCONTENT 12/12/2007 @ 2:35pm
This from a guy who just admitted breaking the law for the last thirty years.
Posted by usc1 at 12/12/2007 @ 3:32pm
DARLADOON:
i looked for drucker talking about ganja and found nothing. can you please help? i stick by what i said, "it's just not taxable".
funny thing though, i found this:
Congressional Committee Equates Marijuana Users to Child Molesters
Democrats Retreat from Effort to Restore Student Loans for Nonviolent Drug Offenders, Expand Education Ban to Include Certain Sex Offenders
Drug Policy Alliance Urges Congress to Stop Making Education a Casualty in the War on Drugs
For Immediate Release: Thursday, November 15, 2007. Contact: Bill Piper (202)669-6430
In a move that surprised groups working on substance abuse issues, Congressional Democrats backed away yesterday from a national campaign to repeal a federal law that denies student loans to people convicted of nonviolent drug offenses. Although Democrats had indicated earlier in the year that repealing the punitive drug provision would be a priority when considering legislation reauthorizing the Higher Education Act, the House Committee on Education and Labor decided last night to not only not repeal the provision but to expand federal law to deny pell grants to civilly confined sex offenders. The HEA Drug Provision has already stripped student loans from more than 200,000 students. More than 500 education, drug treatment and criminal justice groups have called for it to be repealed.
"By not changing this counterproductive policy Democrats are saying that tens of thousands of students should be kicked out of college and denied an education", said Bill Piper, director of national affairs for the Drug Policy Alliance. "They should rename their education bill Leave Many Kids Behind because that's what it does."
Democrats did a similar about face on the issue in the Senate earlier this year. Senate Democrats included language in a bill reauthorizing the Higher Education Act that would have reformed the punitive drug provision. When the bill was debated on the Senate floor, however, Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) offered an amendment killing the reform. Senate Democrats accepted the amendment without any opposition.
Opponents of the punitive HEA Drug Provision say Democrats are chickening out on the issue and putting election worries above the needs of young people.
"The American people have moved beyond the drug war hysteria of the 1980s, but many Democrats still don't realize this," said Piper. "They're afraid reforming draconian drug laws will make them look soft on crime, even though polling shows that voters are tired of punitive policies and want change."
Posted by frosty zoom at 12/12/2007 @ 3:35pm
USC1:
I wonder what your position is on torture. I would be willing to bet you support using waterboarding, even though it is illegal under federal and international law. Come now... tell us. And be honest.
And when your hypocrisy is out in the open for all to see, we will be able to ignore you again, just as you ignore common sense, morality, and propriety.
Posted by jorcheim at 12/12/2007 @ 3:36pm
Posted by USC1 12/12/2007 @ 3:32pm
do you ALWAYS drive the posted speed?
no?
didn't think so. LAWBREAKER!
speeding kills more people than pot*.
*no, i don't have time to check the stats. if i'm wrong, sorry. but i doubt it.
Posted by frosty zoom at 12/12/2007 @ 3:37pm
Posted by JORCHEIM 12/12/2007 @ 3:36pm
damn!
you came up with torture, and all i could think of was speeding.
you ARE good.
;+]
Posted by frosty zoom at 12/12/2007 @ 3:38pm
FROSTY ZOOM:
:D I do what I can for mankind. And womankind... what can I say, I'm equal opportunity!
Posted by jorcheim at 12/12/2007 @ 3:49pm