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RedditIt's not suprising that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi criticized 18-term Congressman Pete Stark for his heartfelt and emotional comments about the Republican's failure to override Bush's veto of S-CHIP. In a blog last week, I predicted that Pelosi would do just that.
Still, it's downright disappointing. Maybe the DCCC should bring on board MSNBC's feisty Keith Olbermann to give it some backbone. I think Olbermann got it right when he called Stark's remarks "refreshing."
The way Pelosi turned on Stark is bound to turn people off of politics--which are already so canned and scripted, and devoid of human feeling and emotion. Look what happens to someone decent like Pete Stark, who steps out of the mold to express his anger and passion about what he believes, sincerely, is being doing to harm our kids.
Can't you just see the Democratic consultants going berserk after Stark said what he did--even if it was in the heat of the moment and debate. Trouble alerts issued in DC--someone speaks his heart and mind! Can't you see the consultants telling party chieftains--Distance Yourself: This will hurt you in '08. Then you have the right-wing, anger-fomenting media machine ripping into full gear. Hannity, Limbaugh, Ingraham, Malkin, O'Reilly and ilk salivating and bloviating and distracting attention from the real story.
That is, what is despicable and beneath contempt are not Stark's words but this administration's assault on kids. Speaker Pelosi stated that she was worried about how her longtime congressional ally's words, "distracted from the seriousness of the subject at hand--providing health care for America's children."
With all due respect, I think the Speaker should be more worried about how Republicans' assault on kids' health and wellbeing begins at home and extends to Iraq. I think she might have issued a tough and humane statement, calling on all to stop wasting time on attacking people like Pete Stark-- whose emotional words reflects real concern and care for the future of this nation-- and start providing healthcare for all, including our beloved kids, and ending a war that is killing US men and women, thousands of Iraqis, stretching our military to breaking point and undermining our security.
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Posted by frosty zoom at 10/21/2007 @ 1:45pm
pelosi...inspiring opposition leadership!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 10/21/2007 @ 2:32pm
Pete Stark is a senile old fool, who embarrassed himself and his party.....Equating overfunding SCHIP with funding the war, as if one thing had anything to do with the other, while insulting the President, in blantant violation of House of representative rules.....
No wonder congress's approval ratings are well below Dubya's....Pelosi's leadership,and emotional, rather than substanitive rhetoric like Pete Stark's, are big reasons why.....
Posted by davebarlett at 10/21/2007 @ 2:48pm
While we're at it, let's give kudos to speaker Pelosi for being so tough on the Ottoman Empire, while spitting in the face on an important allie in the war on terror...way to go, Nancy.....
Posted by davebarlett at 10/21/2007 @ 2:53pm
I don't know if Mr.Stark's choose of words was appropriate because I saw a very short extract from his speech. All I know is we are fed up with lukewarm speechs that are calculated approach to leave almost everybody in the audience happy. I love people speaking their mind and what they feel, because finally that is what people talk in private. Because only bold statements can be contrasted and compared with other bold statements. Because you may agree or disagree but you certainly know the guy is authentic. And just by being that way, he is already honored. I'm really sorry for Speaker Pelosi, I guess she wants to appear prudent and with manners only for the electoral clientele. Still, the statements of Mr. Stark and moveon.org's famous ad "Betray us" express the feelings of many people and would not be uncommon, say for example in British politics.
And yes, one thing has to do with another (war and children health). It gives a lot of insight of where the priorities are. You put your money were your preferences are, isn't it? And when you have already spent your money, you can't spend it otherwise.
Posted by Frank42 at 10/21/2007 @ 4:27pm
The real issue is that the HMOs are against this, and they influence BOTH Democrats and Republicans with their campaign contributions.
HMOs are out for themselves and don't give a damn about children's health or anybody elses.
Posted by Metteyya at 10/21/2007 @ 4:50pm
Perhaps Pete Starks could have chosen his words more carefully, but in the end, thematically he was balls on accurate.
The Republicans are shutting down government just as they did in '96, when Bob Dole and the fat kid with glasses who ate paste in kindergarten, Newt Gingrich, did a press conference with golf clubs in their hands, trying to show Bill Clinton up.
The American people need to wake the fuck up to the reality that the Republican leadership in Congress doesn't give a big rat's ass about them or what happens to their children. They are more interested in making the other side look bad while they buff George and Dick's helmets for them and trying to appear that they are something other than the sychophantic dupes that they are. Obstructionism by these cowards will continue until Jan 20, 2009 and probably beyond that, providing they remain in the minority.
The chastening of Pete Starks was inevitable; what needs to happen is that every representative whose brain has not yet been addled by fear to speak with equal passion. Perhaps then they can regain a modicum of self respect.
Posted by skeletonman at 10/21/2007 @ 5:20pm
Americans are angry with the authoritarians ruining our government, making America into the biggest pariah nation since the Soviet Union. Torturing people - training mercenaries, slaughtering Americans for no good reason - telling lies, and burning hard-earned American dollars by the crate.
Iraq happened because of bi-partisanship, Torture happened because of bi-partisanship, scandal after scandal, and it is time long overdue for a change in tone. Because of bi-partisanship, authoritarians in our government have undermined our nation's commitment to human rights. Because of bi-partisanship, the Democrats look like weak, silly, pathetic losers. Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic losers: because of bi-partisanship. The authoritarians are sharpening their knives - training their militias, constructing their camps, and lying about their next war to make it all possible. Authoritarians can't wait to torture Americans - really they can't.
The next time any Democrat "reaches across the aisle", it better be to DELIVER a bitch-slap to the authoritarians - bipartianship is over, there are two sides, you are with passionate patriotic Americans or you are with the authoritarians. They hate us because we are free.
Posted by conshame at 10/21/2007 @ 6:16pm
First, Harry taps out to Rush on the Senate floor and now Pelosi scolds Stark. Maybe she's trying to be bi-partison(sp)...
Posted by woodyee at 10/21/2007 @ 6:22pm
DaveBartlett is offended by Pete Stark - Republicans are offended. So what if Republicans are offended? Is there any way to satisfy them? Start a war based on lies and Republicans are satisfied. So Republicans can be satisfied. Torture people - Republicans are satisfied with that. Make little kids go without medical care - Republicans are satisfied. Burn crates of $100 bills in Iraq. Republicans are satisfied.
But, tell the fuccken truth, and Republicans aren't satisfied. Turkey won't allow anyone to admit the truth. You tell the truth about the Holocaust in Turkey and that's an offense against Turkishness - they put you in a Turkish prison!
Don't anyone dare tell the truth - you see? Dave Bartlett speaks for the Authoritarians in Turkey and Authoritarians here at home. If you tell the truth you will offend our ally. Well, they aren't our ally are they? Isn't Turkey, right now, fuccking with American interests? Isn't Kurdistan the only territory in Iraq with the semblance of stability? Isn't Turkey prepared to fucck up American interests in the least unstable area of all Iraq? And, is Turkey going to respect American interests in Turkey, if we bow down and deny the Holocaust?
No. So knuckle under to people like Dave Bartlett and their authoritarian representatives in government, and you get absolutely nothing in return - nothing.
Peter Stark is absolutely correct - about Iraq, about Bush - and Republicans are wrong, wrong, wrong, WRONG - about Bush, about Iraq, about Health Care, about the issues of the day.
Posted by conshame at 10/21/2007 @ 6:32pm
Pelosi saw the REALITY (not the blog or "Nation" version of things) of what Stark did.
He was great, perfect in fact...right upto where he said "Bush is amused by killing GIs". If he had stopped before that point, nobody could have said a word and he would have been right on target.
When he started sounding like a "CONSHAME"...some hyperbolic looney more attuned to HuffPost or the Air America blogs, he blew it and made him seem like some frothing-at-the-mouth idiot...and Pelosi knew how it would play in the MSM--
The Right would have a field day, all but the Katrina vanden Heuvels, among Democrats, would distance themselves from it, and STARK, not SCHIP, would become the story.
Posted by Mask at 10/21/2007 @ 8:03pm
"Bush is amused by killing GIs". that was a misstatement by Stark ...but he could easily explain that righteous emotion was influencing his wording and most people would have ignored what little indiscretion his over-the-top statements were. Back to the real reasons for indignation: Bush chose to cut off a million or so children from affordable health care. And waste it on military contractors who've ruined any success in Iraq with their corrupt and abusive ways towards Iraqis. Rep. Stark's indignation was justified.
Pelosi is too much of an upperclass elite to allow such emotional displays being that she is so far out of tough of with ordinary people who usually trust honest emotion over the Democrat's elite's habits of 'triangulation' and appeasement. Both Dem. leaders in the legislature, Pelosi and Reid seem to be emulating a historical figurehead of appeasement; pre WW2 British PM, Neville Chamberlain, who lost his vindication in history...(even though his provisions for enhancing British readiness for the oncoming war was more effective than his comservative critics gave him credit for, such as Winston Churchill's fuminations and bad war planning). The Democratic leadership is as Quisling as they come. (leave that historical reference for another day...)
That cowardness in the face of persistent bullying and fanaticism by the far Right in this country will again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory again for the Democrats.
Posted by data2dave at 10/21/2007 @ 8:22pm
Stark has long been a hero of mine, not only because he is a died-in-the-wool progressive, but because he is the only national politician who's ever had the stones to publicly announce that he's an atheist. That takes some serious hutzpah in this country, but he has made it clear that it would be dishonest for him to pretend otherwise (and thus fake a piety that he does not hold, as far too many politicians already do, I suspect.) And this, ladies and gentlemen, is Stark's response to Boehner and the Republicans on their "outrage" over his remarks, taken directly from the press release on the Congressman's official website [house.gov]:
WASHINGTON, D.C. – Representative Pete Stark (D-CA), Chairman of the Ways and Means Health Subcommittee, issued the following statement in response to a request by Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH). Boehner and 153 of his Republican colleagues today voted to uphold President Bush's veto of Congressional legislation that would have provided health care to 10 million children.
"I have nothing but respect for our brave men and women in uniform and wish them the very best," said Stark. "But I respect neither the Commander-in-Chief who keeps them in harms way nor the chickenhawks in Congress who vote to deny children health care."
"Our uninsured children in America are fighting cancer, cystic fibrosis and other diseases that take their lives," continued Stark. "Leader Boehner's vote against overriding the President's veto dishonors not only these children and their parents, but also the thousands of courageous men and women who President Bush and Republicans in Congress have kept in harms way. These brave men and women are in Iraq to protect our children – as should Republicans in Congress. Leader Boehner and his Republican colleagues should apologize for their votes and join us to provide health care to 10 million children."
Enough said.
Posted by Stwriley at 10/21/2007 @ 8:32pm
Masky, when I've got conshame riled up, I must be doing something right! I think GRITFORBRAINS is ignoring me.....but, that too is a sign of success......
Posted by davebarlett at 10/21/2007 @ 8:35pm
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Serving Size: 1 Silver Spoonful
Servings Per Container: As many as possible
Calories 500,000,000 Calories from fat 99%
Total Fat -- every time
Cholesterol -- clogs every session
Negligible source of protein, carbohydrates, minerals or vitamins.
Posted by frosty zoom at 10/21/2007 @ 9:24pm
Kudos to Mr. Stark for telling the truth, and once again Ms. Pelosi lets us down.
Posted by pizzmoe at 10/21/2007 @ 9:31pm
Posted by DATA2DAVE 10/21/2007 @ 8:22pm
I know it's not Stark's exact statement, but it's a good paraphrasing that would stick with the MS Media.
Look, I don't like Bush, like 70% of the country doesn't. But I don't think the guy "kills GIs for his amusement". His stupidity or his ideological ignorance of geo-military-politics.
But while 70% of the country doesn't like the guy or think he's doing a good job...70% DON'T think that he's a bloodthirsty fiend. SURE 30% or so in the Hard Left and Blogosphere do...and they all are applauding Stark and saying "Yah! Go, Pete, go!"
But out in the REAL world of America and the mainstream...Dems spouting off about a PRESIDENT getting his jollies from killing Americans, doesn't fly.
And the Blogosphere (despite what we ALL might think) isn't the real world.
Posted by Mask at 10/21/2007 @ 10:43pm
CONSHAMED sounds more and more like he was bitch slaped, over and over again as he slipped into looniness..his head flipping right, then left, then right...all by little girls the size of Nancy!!!
Posted by JoMa at 10/21/2007 @ 10:52pm
I'M NOT SO SURE BUSH ***ISN'T*** AMUSED BY GI DEATHS IN IRAQ...
He sure was smirking a lot when he talked about WWIII last week....
Bush blew up frogs as a kid. Now he blows up people....
Posted by w_m_bear at 10/21/2007 @ 11:22pm
COME TO THINK OF IT, RATHER LIKE PETER SELLERS' DR. STRANGELOVE...
Waxing fullsome on the same subject, in "Dr. Stranglove"...
Posted by w_m_bear at 10/21/2007 @ 11:46pm
General "Buck" Turgidson: Mr. President, we are rapidly approaching a moment of truth both for ourselves as human beings and for the life of our nation. Now, truth is not always a pleasant thing. But it is necessary now to make a choice, to choose between two admittedly regrettable, but nevertheless *distinguishable*, postwar environments: one where you got twenty million people killed, and the other where you got a hundred and fifty million people killed.
President Merkin Muffley: You're talking about mass murder, General, not war!
General "Buck" Turgidson: Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks.
Posted by frosty zoom at 10/22/2007 @ 12:23am
A Stark truth. hsuB does enjoy killing little helpless animals, always has... No surprise that hsuB's progressed to bigger and smarter animals; cares little for their well being, health and care, as well. AWOL hsuB, along with his shoot'em in the face if nothing little is around to shoot Dick 5-deferment cHeney, are cowards that have to do cruel things to feed their empty fearing soul.
Pelosi needs to remember which side of the fence she 'stands' on before she's stuck with a deep widening permanent crease.
Posted by hsuBfools at 10/22/2007 @ 02:45am
Ottoman Empire, while spitting in the face on an important allie in the war on terror...way to go, Nancy.....
Posted by DAVEBARLETT 10/21/2007 @ 2:53pm
Don't ya love it. Turkey wants to invade a nice free, stable country. That should help matter a lot.
Posted by crabwalk at 10/22/2007 @ 07:16am
Stark was right. The repubs cannot handle the truth.
10 million children may not have access to health care, just so chimpy can make a political point based on his failed theories of guvt.
that is sick.
anybody that still supports this war but does not want to spend a couple weeks funding on supplying medicine to children is a sick fuck and should get their sorry ass down to a rural/inner city clinic and see what they are ignoring. Go ahead, DAVEB, tell some poor single mom why you are so terrified by her kids getting some medicine or a chance to see a doctor.
"Sorry Billy, we have to pay off Maliki and his cronies before you can get in to see a pediatrician. We have to spend 28 million putting new guns on the Osprey before you can get that x-ray of your spine. Priorities and all that rot, what, what. "
Posted by crabwalk at 10/22/2007 @ 07:26am
How about Ms. Plame on 60 minute last night? good stuff.
Turns out she was IN CHARGE of finding wmd's in Iraq. While COVERT!.
Lets ruin her career and ruin the hunt for wmd's that were so damn important that we needed to go to war to find them. Yeah, how about that kind of governing? Chimpy is the king of liars and fools.
"I will fire anybody who leaked..." LIAR. Traitor!
Posted by crabwalk at 10/22/2007 @ 07:30am
The United States flew nearly $12 billion in shrink-wrapped $100 bills into Iraq, then distributed the cash with no proper control over who was receiving it and how it was being spent.
The staggering scale of the biggest transfer of cash in the history of the Federal Reserve has been graphically laid bare by a U.S. congressional committee.
In the year after the invasion of Iraq in 2003 nearly 281 million notes, weighing 363 tons, were sent from New York to Baghdad for disbursement to Iraqi ministries and US contractors. Using C-130 planes, the deliveries took place once or twice a month with the biggest of $2,401,600,000 on June 22, 2004, six days before the handover.
..."One [Bush Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA)] official described an environment awash in $100 bills," the memorandum [on the investigation for Waxman's committee] says. "One contractor received a $2 million payment in a duffel bag stuffed with shrink-wrapped bundles of currency. Auditors discovered that the key to a vault was kept in an unsecured backpack.
And:
"They also found that $774,300 in cash had been stolen from one division's vault. Cash payments were made from the back of a pickup truck, and cash was stored in unguarded sacks in Iraqi ministry offices. One official was given $6.75 million in cash, and was ordered to spend it in one week before the interim Iraqi government took control of Iraqi funds."
retired Admiral David Oliver, who was Bremer's financial advisor, on the loss of billions of Oil for Food dollars:
"I have no idea. I can't tell you whether or not the money went to the right things or didn't - nor do I actually think it's important."
Q: "But the fact is billions of dollars have disappeared without trace."
Oliver: "Of their money. Billions of dollars of their money, yeah I understand. I'm saying what difference does it make?"
The reason Adm. Oliver should have cared -- aside from the fact that finance was his purview -- is that some of this cash very likely fueled the insurgency that ensued a few months later. It is also likely the money ended up in the hands of terrorists who used it to buy weapons to kill our troops.
but don;t let children have access to healthcare, it might, maybe, some day, in the future, possibly, lead to some form of guvt healthcare system, like the troops, congress, the president , the VP and their families receive. Can't have that.
Posted by crabwalk at 10/22/2007 @ 07:42am
Don't be surprised if a lot of those billions and missing arms went right into AQ's pockets.
The GOP new con supporters, servicers of dic'tator philosophy, want perpetual war and fearing, killing, but can smile about it-- so it's all ok.
Posted by hsuBfools at 10/22/2007 @ 09:09am
Posted by DAVEBARLETT 10/21/2007 @ 8:35pm
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Posted by John_Shaft at 10/22/2007 @ 09:54am
REDSOX NATION REJOICES
Posted by John_Shaft at 10/22/2007 @ 09:55am
These distinguished gentlemen are 100% correct in their assessment of Stark's starkly on target comments on G. W. "Bring 'em on" Bush, the CheerLeader with a life-long pattern of zealously supporting/initiating wars in which other people get their heads blown off:
Posted by SKELETONMAN 10/21/2007 @ 5:20pm
Posted by STWRILEY 10/21/2007 @ 8:32pm
Posted by John_Shaft at 10/22/2007 @ 09:59am
Posted by JOHN_SHAFT 10/22/2007 @ 09:54am
wow. the world is upside-down!
JOHN_SHAFT has quoted sMAASCH JOMAma!
i did notice the sun rose on the other side of the house today..................................................
Posted by frosty zoom at 10/22/2007 @ 10:01am
Republi-Losers hate American and they love failure. These features of the Republi-Loser species are closely linked to their crudely manipulative tendency to blame other people for the long string of shitmess failures that they inevitably create.
REPUBLI-LOSERS ARE ALIEN TO THE SPIRIT OF REDSOX NATION THAT VALUES EXCELLENCE, WHERE TERRY AND THEO ARE EXTOLLED AS "GODS ON EARTH"
Posted by John_Shaft at 10/22/2007 @ 10:04am
Posted by JOHN_SHAFT 10/22/2007 @ 10:04am
ZZZZZZZzzzzzz..burp...Fart...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz
Posted by JoMa at 10/22/2007 @ 10:13am
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 10/22/2007
FROSTY Z,
If you are referring to the "Z"s, that is actually a quote of BARLETT who first issued this as a signature comment. I believe that it was to register his "boredom" with the self-appointed "law-and-order party"'s VPOTUS CoS being convicted of, oh, four felonies since that series of felonious events had none of the drama of the Clintonoid "assassination" of VINCE FOSTER. Lacking anything in the mental inventory, and having a lot of time on his hands to kill while he plays with Milton Bradley issued monopoly money, JOMA then predictably imitated the singularly boring BARLETT.
I have opted to use their own nonsense back at them, with cutting edge irony that goes right by them, as if they are being punched by a fist they cannot see or insulted at a pitch out of their range of perception and intellect.
Posted by John_Shaft at 10/22/2007 @ 10:13am
JOMA "speaks", albeit through non-standard orifices. In his own "words":
ZZZZZZZzzzzzz..burp...Fart...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz
Posted by JOMA 10/22/2007 @ 10:13am
Posted by John_Shaft at 10/22/2007 @ 10:15am
Joma, whatever, I have been RIGHT about Iraq, RIGHT about Bush - from the very beginning - and YOU HAVE BEEN WRONG!!!! You are wrong on torture, wrong on health care, wrong on BlackWater, wrong on Halliburton, wrong about Bush, and wrong about Iraq - and still are.
Peter Stark misspoke - George Bush isn't slaughtering Americans and making America less safe at the same time for amusement - he is doing it for the oil.
"Joma, I wonder if I might slaughter your son"
"Why, Bush?"
"Well, I don't have anything against your son really, it's just that, well you see, I am in the oil business..."
"Really? Oh, God bless you sir, that's so wonderful for you sir, the oil business???"
"Yes, very much so. My family is in fact also in the armaments industry, to the tune of billions of dollars"
"Oh master, oh leader, oh I believe whatever you say. Sure you can have my son, kill him if you want - I don't care - I mean I love my son - but you go ahead and just slaughter him"
"Thank you Joma, because my 2 daughters aren't going to die for my oil, and none of my 35 or so Bush family relatives are going to either. We're hard-working upper-crust folks - you lower caste folk can go kill Iraqis and die for my oil"
Posted by conshame at 10/22/2007 @ 10:18am
Posted by CONSHAME 10/22/2007 @ 10:18am
Sounds like you have been listening for too long to that radical, "champaign socialist" lounging by the pool and attacking the ruling class as he lazily thumbs Karl Marx's opus, Kapital, along with recent issues of The Nation ... none other than ... Alan Greenspan!!!
(teeter teeter)...
Posted by John_Shaft at 10/22/2007 @ 10:23am
Posted by JOHN_SHAFT 10/22/2007 @ 10:13am
thanks for the etymological update!
Posted by frosty zoom at 10/22/2007 @ 10:30am
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/22/2007 @ 09:09am
Curious, HSUB on your take on why yout think Pelosi, who "wants to impeach Bush" so badly (as you claim)...
would rebuke Stark?
Posted by Mask at 10/22/2007 @ 10:36am
Thank goodness Pete Stark was able to actually speak his mind. Pretty soon Bush will take that Constitutional right away too since he absolutely has not respect or regard for it. I say more and more people need to exercise their rights before this administration takes them away.
Posted by Divamom at 10/22/2007 @ 10:37am
Bush should have walked down the street to the Hill---looked up Stark ---and punched him right in the nose. There are very few things that a Congressperson could do that would deserve a Presidential right jab---but what Stark said fits the bill. If he had done it his rating would have gone up.
Posted by Len Mosse at 10/22/2007 @ 10:37am
John Shaft, I was right about Iraq from the very beginning, I was right about George Bush from the very beginning. Where the hell were you? YOU support George Bush.
Now maybe Peter Stark ought to say this: "I am sorry - I apologize to the killer, I apologize to the wanna-be authoritarian dictator, I apologize to the torturer, I apologize to the liar, I apologize for interrupting George Bushs bonfire of American 100$ bills - in IRAQ!!!!"
Posted by conshame at 10/22/2007 @ 10:38am
Shaft
Darth Cheney's "Secret Energy Task Force" was a who's who of the oil industry NEWS or newer news and the only document procured previously under FOIA was a map of Iraqi oilfields
and some folks can still believe it WAN'T about oil?
Posted by leftofcenter at 10/22/2007 @ 10:40am
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZimitation is the sincerest flatteryzzzzzzzzzz.
But did you have any original thoughts of your own on the subject, or are you going to just plagarize the only clever lines you're read?
Posted by davebarlett at 10/22/2007 @ 10:40am
Posted by CONSHAME 10/22/2007 @ 10:38am
CONSHAME, I think you have me confused perhaps with ... JOHN MAASCH. Read the above posts or any other ones I've posted. I have despised the Bush family since GHW carried the Iowa caucus in 1980.
Posted by John_Shaft at 10/22/2007 @ 10:41am
Thank goodness Pete Stark was able to actually speak his mind. Pretty soon Bush will take that Constitutional right away too since he absolutely has not respect or regard for it. I say more and more people need to exercise their rights before this administration takes them away.
Posted by DIVAMOM 10/22/2007 @ 10:37am | ignore this person
What a joke----and he is going to do all of this within a year. Get a grip on reality DIVA.
Posted by Len Mosse at 10/22/2007 @ 10:41am
Len Mosse - you are wrong. If Bush punched an American Hero, it would not increase his zilchy popularity ratings.
Len Mosse - if Bush wants to improve his ratings, he can stop telling lies in order to start another war. He can call an end to his veto threats to ending the disaster in Iraq. He can stop burning crates of tax money 100$ bills in Iraq. If Bush wants more popularity he isn't going to get it through more violent acts. If Bush wants more popularity he isn't going to get it through more torture. Bush already has all the idiots who support torture and support his shameful slaughter of innocent people for nothing, in Iraq. If Bush wants popularity he can start telling the truth. If Bush wants popularity he can let little kids get the medical care they need to grow up healthy.
Posted by conshame at 10/22/2007 @ 10:42am
John Shaft, I READ what you wrote, and it's disgusting. Anyone who is angry with George Bush is a loon - whatever. You make me sick. And then, you come back and claim "Oh I've always despised George Bush". If you despise him, then quit standing up for him. "Anyone who hates George Bush must be a loon". Whatever. People like you make me sick.
Posted by conshame at 10/22/2007 @ 10:45am
Bush should have PUT ON A COSTUME FOR A PHOTO-OP AND THEN HIRED SOMEONE AT PUBLIC EXPENSE TO walk down the street to the Hill---look up Stark ---and punch him right in the nose. There are very few things that a Congressperson could do that would deserve a Presidential right jab BY PROXY---but what Stark said fits the bill. If he had done it his rating would have gone up BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER DIRECTION THEY COULD GO AFTER 6 1/2 YEARS WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN SEE WHAT BUSH'S "GAME" IS.
Posted by LEN MOSSE 10/22/2007 @ 10:37am
LEN, am wondering if you were feeling such 190 proof political correctness about tuff words when Jesse Helms was making not so vieled threats at Clinton concerning a visit to NC? We'll put aside incitements to terror from thought leaders in your rightwing media gehtto, like An al-Khoulter or Bi'll Ur-Rieli as they are not MCs.
Posted by John_Shaft at 10/22/2007 @ 10:47am
Bush should have PUT ON A COSTUME FOR A PHOTO-OP AND THEN HIRED SOMEONE AT PUBLIC EXPENSE TO walk down the street to the Hill---look up Stark ---and punch him right in the nose. There are very few things that a Congressperson could do that would deserve a Presidential right jab BY PROXY---but what Stark said fits the bill. If he had done it his rating would have gone up BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER DIRECTION THEY COULD GO AFTER 6 1/2 YEARS WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN SEE WHAT BUSH'S "GAME" IS.
Posted by LEN MOSSE 10/22/2007 @ 10:37am
LEN, am wondering if you were feeling such 190 proof political correctness about tuff words when Jesse Helms was making not so vieled threats at Clinton concerning a visit to NC? We'll put aside incitements to terror from thought leaders in your rightwing media gehtto, like An al-Khoulter or Bi'll Ur-Rieli as they are not MCs.
Posted by John_Shaft at 10/22/2007 @ 10:48am
Posted by CONSHAME 10/22/2007 @ 10:45am
You have understood zero of what I have written, period. No "if", "and", or "but"s.
Posted by John_Shaft at 10/22/2007 @ 10:50am
What is it with "Loon" - Authoritarians on message boards are always attacking Liberals by calling them loons. What do Authoritarian people have against the moon?
Authoritarians can't defend their stupid war in Iraq, Authoritarians can't defend their idiot Commander in Chief. They say "Liberal, Liberal, Liberal", they say the same thing over and over (what you just said helped the terrorists). Authoritarians are stupid, ignorant, evil, immature,
Posted by conshame at 10/22/2007 @ 10:54am
OK JS - friendly fire - your joke was too clever and I mis-interpreted. All those buzzwords like "Socialist" and "Marx" that are always replete in every Authoritarian rebuttal.
Posted by conshame at 10/22/2007 @ 10:56am
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZConny and Shafty, lets kiss and make upzzzzzzzzz
Posted by davebarlett at 10/22/2007 @ 11:19am
Posted by CONSHAME 10/22/2007 @ 10:54am
I noted CS doesn't use "conservatives" anymore but "authoritarians"...is it due to this?--
BLOG | Posted 07/31/2007 @ 07:21am Comments for "Vitter's Close Call" by David Corn
Mask, what do you want? Alright. Nobody is a "Conservative". Conservative is an abstract concept. For a real Conservative to exist, that person would have to agree 100 with a set of principles that can not be fully and specifically defined. The same for a Liberal. ----Posted by CONSHAME 08/01/2007 @ 6:17pm
Posted by Mask at 10/22/2007 @ 11:44am
You have authoritarians in all spectrums of politics.
What were the arguments against 86ing Pelosi's sorry ass?
Posted by mtspence05 at 10/22/2007 @ 11:56am
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/22/2007 @ 09:09am
Curious, HSUB on your take on why yout think Pelosi, who "wants to impeach Bush" so badly (as you claim)...
would rebuke Stark?
Posted by MASK 10/22/2007 @ 10:36am
Highest moral ground rather than pure unadulterated anger. Thus she feels the need to straddle the fence and have a foot in both camps. Supposedly like what a real impartial Speaker or president does... However I feel that our gov is so compremised already that being impartial even in the least creates a sense of legitamacy for the new con supporters, servicers to dic'tator philosophy.
Posted by hsuBfools at 10/22/2007 @ 11:56am
Posted by CRABWALK 10/22/2007 @ 07:30am
Turns out Valerie was responsible for seeing that Iran did not get nukes.
And the guy who's most wound up about bombing Iran over the nuke issue is the one responsible for outing her.
Did Cheney just lash out at the Wilsons without considering the possible ramifications?
Or did he intentionally neuter her program so that he wouldn't lose his best justification for an attack?
Posted by bwindrip at 10/22/2007 @ 12:23pm
Posted by BWINDRIP 10/22/2007 @ 12:23pm
both.
Posted by frosty zoom at 10/22/2007 @ 12:34pm
Posted by CONSHAME 10/22/2007 @ 10:56am
Yes, I was just demonstrating that we are really down to the dead-enders in defense of the Maximum Cheerleader when someone like Greenspan has decamped.
Posted by John_Shaft at 10/22/2007 @ 12:39pm
A typical reaction to the ominous words: "Posted by DAVEBARLETT":
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(some posters do not cause snores ... they induce wholesale flatlining)
Posted by John_Shaft at 10/22/2007 @ 12:43pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/22/2007 @ 11:56am
So, you've finally given up on her supporting impeachment, huh?
Posted by Mask at 10/22/2007 @ 12:53pm
Posted by MTSPENCE05 10/22/2007 @ 11:56am
Curious. How you plan on doing that, Empty?
Posted by Mask at 10/22/2007 @ 12:54pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/22/2007 @ 11:56am
So, you've finally given up on her supporting impeachment, huh?
Posted by MASK 10/22/2007 @ 12:53pm
Where in my post did I suggest that?
I think when there's no other course of action to take and it can be seen by her as impartial, as in Frito's case, she'll be ok with impeachment moving forward of cHeney and hsuB.
She just doesn't want to get angry about it like the rest of us-- so she can say she was never compromised by emotion. She wants to appear as though she's above the partisanship. Doesn't mean she won't do it, just with a cool head. And hopefully without that smile. At least.
Posted by hsuBfools at 10/22/2007 @ 1:41pm
I would not rebuke Pete Stark, of course. His sentiments are mine -- perhaps even his conjectures regarding Presidential amusements.
I would, however, request that he take a course in effective speaking. When someone like Stark takes our righteous indignation and makes it sound, well, sort of stupid, does that help much? We could write a pretty nifty speech for Pete right here, if he'd agree to deliver it.
Posted by Donald Weed at 10/22/2007 @ 2:25pm
I applaud Stark for speaking out and being specific. Why is our leader in the house criticizing a fellow member for speaking out. We are waiting for those who represent us to speak out. The voters sent a very clear message last November, the polls send a very clear message every day that we are disgusted with the administration being the only VOICE. How long can this continue?????
Posted by hephzibah at 10/22/2007 @ 2:31pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/22/2007 @ 1:41pm
Gee, you'd think if a smart guy like you could see through Pelosi's obvious attempt at "impartiality" (but seething desire for impeachment)...
that Katrina vanden Heuvel could have???
Posted by Mask at 10/22/2007 @ 3:08pm
As for the rest of you Pelosi nay-sayers....listen to HSUBFOOLS!
See, Nancy is only chastising Stark so that the public knows she's impartial when she initiates impeachment....
in 9 days!
Ref: Comments for "Ford, Cheney, Checks and Balances" by John Nichols----Posted by HSUBFOOLS 01/02/2007 @ 4:20pm
Posted by Mask at 10/22/2007 @ 3:10pm
http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/3110/
Posted by hsuBfools at 10/22/2007 @ 6:15pm
http://bushimpeach.blogspot.com/2007_10_01_archive.html
Posted by hsuBfools at 10/22/2007 @ 6:17pm
http://tinyurl.com/2taj3z
Posted by hsuBfools at 10/22/2007 @ 6:21pm
When our beloved Congressman Pete slides out from under the radar watch out. Think Security Pacific Bank, giant PEACE sign, conservative CoCo county. Madam Speaker recall your history or are you doing a Joe Lieberman on us
Posted by hrrd_mn at 10/22/2007 @ 6:50pm
Hey Frita found it:
Well, let's just put it down to ....
I've got David Corn on my side....
Posted by MASK 01/02/2007 @ 3:23pm
And hsuB on your other side-- THat makes it a MASK SANDWICH!!!!
No wonder Mask sounds happier. Although, for my taste it's more of an Angela one side and an Ashley on the other. Working my way up the alphabet again.
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 01/02/2007 @ 3:33pm | ignore this person
Okay, HSUB...let's keep it simple....give me a post I can save and bring back at the appropriate time....
When (ballpark it to within a month or two, if you like) do the Bills of Impeachment come out of the US House of Representatives?
Posted by MASK 01/02/2007 @ 3:36pm | ignore this person
Masky, you are one crazy plastic shell of a face.
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 01/02/2007 @ 4:14pm | ignore this person
But since you are crazy:
February: Feb 2007: 1st/ 9th/ 17th/ & 28th
Information leading to more on:
Apr 2007: +1st / #6th / + 12th / * 22nd
May 2007: #2nd / +9th / *19th / #29th
Summer rewriting begins:
June 2007: + 5th / *16th / #26th
July 23rd
Meetings:
August 1 - 19th
Sept 2007: +5th / #15th / +23th
Rerewrites:
Oct 2007: *3rd / #12th / +20th / *30th
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 01/02/2007 @ 4:15pm | ignore this person
Okay...translated.....you're calling for Bills of Impeachment out of the House of Reps by late October 2007?
yes?
Posted by MASK 01/02/2007 @ 4:18pm | ignore this person
Sounds about right. Or is that left to you?
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 01/02/2007 @ 4:20pm | ignore this person
Masky, not that this isn't a little fun but I only have another week left on my vacation plans and I'm starting on the 'B's. Buen dia, Bye, Bon voyage, Beatrice, Belle, Bianca...
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 01/02/2007 @ 4:26pm
Funny thing about context aye Frita...
Posted by hsuBfools at 10/22/2007 @ 7:04pm
Dammit! I went off and looked it up, and I didn't have to.
January 2nd. Happy New Year! We were so innocent then.
Posted by Donald Weed at 10/22/2007 @ 7:46pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/22/2007 @ 7:04pm
What "context", nutso? You predicted impeachment by "the end of October 2007".
Well in 8 days...it is.
And you've stuck with it for NINE MONTHS, despite denials from the Speaker of the House (Nancy "Off the Table" Pelosi)...Reid....Rahm Emmanual...Steny Hoyer....HOWARD DEAN...Earl Pomeroy....BARACK OBAMA...RUSS FEINGOLD, even, ultimately...AL "SECRET CAMPAIGN" GORE.
And here at the end, I'll guarentee you keep it an "open option" for another 6-8 months, always claiming that "It could happen now"..."It may just be AFTER the Primaries"...."They might do it as a boost going into the Convention".
Just like you said "I'll admit I'm wrong if Gore doesn't run"...and then proceed to float the idea that he might get elected on a write-in campaign.
You're too heavily invested in this insanity to just...drop it..now.
Posted by Mask at 10/22/2007 @ 9:10pm
Frita was and still is, insane! Like no one knew... (ha) And of course she says everyone else is.
It's ok Frita, I'll continue to play along. Don't despair, everything will be-- ok.
Posted by hsuBfools at 10/22/2007 @ 11:17pm
Er, Frita, Pelosi put impeachment on the table for your Frito when you said she wouldn't. But she did and hsuB let your Frito go and now DoJ is talking trial, prison! Ouch!
HsuB is now pushing for more funds, billions more for a war that needs to end-- are you so sure Pelosi won't put it on the table 'again' as nothing else is working and the pressure she said is geting intense?
PS. Are you saying that people can't write in candidates at the ballot? Frita likes being so wrong for so long... it's sad.
Posted by hsuBfools at 10/23/2007 @ 01:00am
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/23/2007 @ 01:00am
Tell ya what, HSUB....just come clean now and ask for more time.
I'll be generous and give you until the Christmas Congressional recess. (Why not? You've had TEN MONTHS and still can't seem to get it through your head...what's another 60 days?)
BTW..."PS. Are you saying that people can't write in candidates at the ballot? Frita likes being so wrong for so long... it's sad."....is that your OFFICIAL position now on "Gore in '08"? That he's going to be a write-in candidate and take the election from both Hillary and Giuliani/Romney/Huckabee???
Posted by Mask at 10/23/2007 @ 09:38am
So ends this thread...and this story (to those who might see this)--- www.rawstory.com
David Edwards and Jason Rhyne Published: Tuesday October 23, 2007
Congressman Pete Stark (D-CA) apologized today for heated remarks he made during House Democrats' attempt last week to override a presidential veto of the SCHIP children's insurance program. The apology came following an attempt by Republican leaders to censure Stark, which failed 196-173.
"I want to apologize, first of all to my colleagues," the congressman said from the floor, adding that he also extended the apology to the "president and his family" as well as as "the troops."
"I hope that with this apology, I will become as insignificant as I should be, and that we can return to the issues that do divide us, but that we can resolve in a better fashion," he concluded.
During the unsuccessful SCHIP veto override attempt, Stark had lacerated Republicans for saying the proposed measure was too expensive.
"You don't have money to fund the war or children," he said at the time. "But you're going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the president's amusement."
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) joined Republicans in criticizing the comments, calling them "inappropriate" and adding that the remarks "distracted from the seriousness of the subject at hand -- providing healthcare for America's children."
A CNN online poll, however, found a resounding 88 percent of respondents felt Stark shouldn't apologize.
Five Democrats voted with Republicans today on the censure attempt, which was brought by House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH).
Posted by Mask at 10/23/2007 @ 3:31pm