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RedditWhen it comes to the Iraq War, the 72-member Congressional Progressive Caucus has generally been a source of energy in the Democratic Party, as its members have quite vocally pressured party leaders for legislation that could lead to an end to the war. But at a sparsely attended "townhall meeting" Wednesday morning at the Cannon House Office Building, venerable caucus leaders sounded a distinctly defeatist note, glumly explaining that Congress simply lacks both the votes and the spirit to undo Bush's war.
"It is one of the worst times to ever be in the Congress of the United States," complained California's Maxine Waters. "We look incapable of doing what the public wants us to do." A downbeat Waters also said that "even though members of Congress were elected on a platform to get us out of Iraq, they have prioritized getting along instead of following their heart and intellect."
Steven Cohen, a freshmen House democrat from Tennessee who has steadfastly opposed the war, didn't point fingers at his Democratic colleagues but nonetheless shared Water's frustration: "I think our Speaker [Nancy Pelosi] is a good leader, but maybe the leadership would be stronger if there was hope in the Senate to get the votes." In other words, the antiwar Democrats are stuck because of those Senate Republicans who refuse to break with George W. Bush on the war.
On the Senate side, there certainly is not much hope for change among Democrats. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced that he would no longer try to bring troops home by spring. And it appears that an incremental strategy change being pushed by Senator Jim Webb that would give troops longer breaks between deployments is not likely to come to a vote.
During today's meeting, the progressive caucus, chaired by Representatives Lynn Woolsey and Barbara Lee, once again called for Congress not to approve further funding for the war without a timetable for withdrawal. But the members did not come across as fired up to make such a measure happen. Nor did they threaten to break with Pelosi if legislation of this sort was not offered by the House leadership. They remain antiwar--but they came across as unsure what to do about it.
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yes...votes needed to override a veto? 2/3... votes for progressive move out of iraq? not 2/3.
that easy. "congress" at fault? no - those who vote for war at fault. those who vote for those who vote for more war at fault.
no need for throwing up hands. throw out names of war enablers and keep doing so until election year of '08. sure, many more die, buzillions of potentially well used money flushed, but no choice.
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/19/2007 @ 4:54pm
What would be great is if the people who elected these individuals to stop the war, next time elect greens or lefty independents to do the job their Democrats wouldn't. Unfortunately, the public will perceive this as failure of the Democrats and instead go with the option on the right and we'll have gone full circle.
Worthless. The democrats finally get the power they wanted with their congress, and do nothing with it! How many opportunities have they had to cut funding to the war and sat wringing their hands in paralyzed impotence instead? Zero, you're rubbing off on me!
Posted by MATTMAN at 09/19/2007 @ 5:00pm
Why not a full-court press, a full page advertizing how the repub new cons hate the troops. Going on FAUX NOISE accusing them of hating our troops by wanting them there dying and being maimed for no other reason than to weaken the US. Make the case, state the facts boldly and loudly. Scream the truth to the hsuB/cHeney lies.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 5:02pm
its an opportunity for sane greenies and ronpaul libertarians to maybe possibly have an outside chance to take a congressional seat or two if they work their butts off, get lucky, etc.
well, guess the journey of a thousand miles starts with a step or two...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/19/2007 @ 5:04pm
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 09/19/2007 @ 5:04pm | ignore this person
but dubasses keep mindlessly focusing on presidential races. its the local and representative branches serious third party candidates should focus on, almost exclusively.
there are two potentially viable replacements for the dem/pub schizo-kraken, the greens on the left and the libs on the right. both represent the potential to supplant the existant parties, respectively, and if not, to at least siphon votes from the same.
but without reforming the electoral process to accomodate more than two duopolistic parties, what would be the ultimate result but something that resembles the current two headed demiurge called "green/lib" instead of "dem/pub"? if such an outcome is indeed even possible, this would involve a welcome period of chaos as everything re-aligned to become the same as it ever was, with a few progressive (?) changes to be undone by future reactionaries...
i'm ok with 2 steps forward 1 step back - its the way of the world, the demiurge. but sometimes, like when we came up with the constitution, we jump forward 3 or 4 steps. progress. positively evolve.
our polity is incapable of properly functioning in a modern world the way it is currently ordered. the hallowed sacred constitution is a living document designed to be tinkered with as needed to adjust to unforseen exigensies and developments, and perhaps its tie to look at how our democracy can adjust to realities and accomodate more than two political parties...
there exist, however, two gigantic, monumental, obstacles to this...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/19/2007 @ 5:22pm
Whats to be sad about? Victory is just around the corner.
Happy and the rest of the Chair Bourne Finger Fighters for Freedom will be joining up en masse come spring. They will accept limitless tours of duty, whatever it takes. They are willing to forgo all profits for the entire time, working for minimum wage in the Army or for private contractors. All in order to prove that Iraq will not fail under their watch and to prove to the dems that all it takes is commitment to be resolved,
right?
Posted by crabwalk at 09/19/2007 @ 5:29pm
Posted by ZERO 09/19/2007 @ 5:06pm
No need for apologies. Your disgust with the 2 party system is inspirational. The more I learn about Hillary Clinton, the more I dislike her, the more difficult it will be to vote for her in 08. But voting for Kucinich will be nothing more than a statement for either of us since we both reside in solid Blue Washington state.
I've come to wonder whether a republican victory as the result of "splitting the left" may ultimately be a positive in the long term ideological struggle. After Thompson or Guliani inevitably fucks things up worse, it could open more eyes as it's obvious that enough eyes are still glued shut, and it would spark a leftist epidemic that would spread like wildfire.
Then again the cost in human lives in the middle east isn't worth it. I'll continue for now to hope dearly for a republic defeat in 08 as the greatest probability of ending the occupation and sparing an Iran invasion.
Posted by MATTMAN at 09/19/2007 @ 5:35pm
BLAKE: "It is one of the worst times to ever be in the Congress of the United States," complained California's Maxine Waters. "We look incapable of doing what the public wants us to do."
Well, Intern Matthew, good job of straight reporting....you might have `enhanced' your piece with the fresh polling number of 11% approval for Congress to perhaps explain why this is "one of the worst times to" be in Congress.
Hmmm...., wonder if 11% represent every everybody and all their relatives, that works for the Fed government! Numerically and from a historical perspective, maybe ZERO is right, the Caucus COULD be the basis of a solid 3rd party.....then do a hostile (or friendly) takeover of the Greens and wow.....the Repubs and Dems will come knocking on the door to form a ruling coalition!!!
Posted by Happy at 09/19/2007 @ 5:37pm
Posted by MATTMAN 09/19/2007 @ 5:35pm | ignore this person
take the o-train or the e-train.
unhappy with 50 foot queenie, dont think scrappin denny the ninja boy scout can't win?
check out the o-train or the e-train...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/19/2007 @ 5:39pm
but dubasses keep mindlessly focusing on presidential races. its the local and representative branches serious third party candidates should focus on, almost exclusively.
I agree. The greens should focus on Congress at least before making costly statements at the presidential level.
Posted by MATTMAN at 09/19/2007 @ 5:41pm
HA,
Remember that the reason for the 11% congressional approval rating is pimarily repub obstructionism. Repubs still poll worse than congressional dems and will continue paying a heavy price for hating the US in favor of their corporate greed and war profiteering.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 5:47pm
Posted by MATTMAN 09/19/2007 @ 5:41pm | ignore this person
dont think...can't win...i gotta stop this automatic writing...lol
but yeah, i think they can win some local, maybe even house seats if they attract good candidates and focus efforts and get lucky...
but naders just siphon votes from dems, psuedo lib perots from pubs...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/19/2007 @ 5:52pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/19/2007 @ 5:47pm
Repub obstruncionism entirely to blame? I don't know buddy, that's a little optimistic. I know I'm a little pissed off at least about "taking impeachment off the table", continued funding of the occupation, and every other balk for fear of "appearing soft on defense." That 11% is under democratic control so we can surely expect the repubs to spin this to their advantage in the presidential race.
Posted by MATTMAN at 09/19/2007 @ 6:00pm
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 09/19/2007 @ 5:52pm
I had a tough time making sense of your last post, I must admit!
Posted by MATTMAN at 09/19/2007 @ 6:01pm
"I have a message for the "progressive" caucus: as a body, it's time to form your own party. You can choose either to remain the permanently marginalized and stigmatized minority fringe within one half of the big business and special interest party.."
If you remove the "progressives(lefty loons to the rest of the land)" from the Democratic Party and form their own party,,then take that number and compare it to the balance of all voters who vote...it even finges you more than ever...and the fringe, which you are, is the reason you are ignored and not get any respect in congress,for what you want, in the way, and timing you want...puts you on the fringe...
which is what most of us on the right have been saying about you all along..that you are the fringe, the minority in the minority, and as such, are ignored, except at election time...
watch Hillary, your nominee,er, candidate, right before election run left towards you, and then back to the right again at the end of the campaign..to garner votes...and you all will follow nicely along (Baaah) as the black vote does so predictably.
You have been given a does of reality and the author here, has put it in writting for you. Wake up...America does not see the country or the world as you do. Get a grip.
Prove it to yourselves,...form a Stop the War and Stop the Corporations Party, put Sheehan as the candidate and count your votes...that would be real.
Congress low ratings are not the result of the repubs...they are the result of the dems...
Posted by john maasch at 09/19/2007 @ 6:02pm
Generic Congressional Vote
Poll ______________Date _______Repub ____Dem __Spread
RCP Average __07/15 - 09/12 ____35.7% ___48.3% __12.6%
NBC/WSJ _____09/10 - 09/12 _____35% ____47% ____12%
Rasmussen ___09/04 - 09/04 _____32% ____50% ____18%
Battleground __07/15 - 07/18 _____40% ____48% ____8%
XXXxxxXXXXxxxXXXXxxxXXXXxxx
PollingReport.com
CONGRESS Job Rating in recent national polls
Survey________Date_____Approve_Disapprove_Unsure__Dif
CBS________9/14-16/07 ____27 ______65 _______8 ___-38
FOX/Op Dyn__9/11-12/07____32 ______56 ______11 ___-24
AP-Ipsos____9/10-12/07 ____26 ______71 _______* ___-45
XXXxxXXXXxxxXXXXxXXXxXXxxx
ABC News/Washington Post Poll. July 18-21, 2007. N=1,125 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3. Fieldwork by TNS.
"Do you approve or disapprove of the way the Democrats in Congress are doing their job?"
Date____________Approve ___Disapprove __Unsure
7/18-21/07_________46 ________51 ________2
"Do you approve or disapprove of the way the Republicans in Congress are doing their job?"
Date____________Approve ___Disapprove __Unsure
7/18-21/07_________34 ________64 ________2
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 6:26pm
Posted by JOHN MAASCH 09/19/2007 @ 6:02pm
Gotta love that looney left, eh!
Now which party was it that preaches preemptive warfare? Which party has a significant portion of it's base believing that Armaggedon will occur soon, and actually looks forward to it?? I forgot. Who are the looneys again?
The pendulum has gone about as far right as possible. It's on the decline. Careful what you wish for...
What's so funny 'bout peace, love, and understanding?
Posted by MATTMAN at 09/19/2007 @ 6:26pm
e-train or o-train...edwards or obama
the best progressives can REALISTICALLY hope for.
50 foot queenie, as awe inspiringly, steamrollingly, hugemoungous as she is...is not invulnerable...
gotta find the chink in the armor...aim the arrow...steady hand...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/19/2007 @ 6:30pm
of she really is invulnerable
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/19/2007 @ 6:30pm
or...uh...multitasking...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/19/2007 @ 6:34pm
MM,
I think Pelosi saying she'd consider impeachment of Frito went a long way in hsuB resigning him from the AG post, so it's not really completely 'off' the table. I think if/when impeachment of cHeney gets hot as it's about to soon, you'll see Pelosi make a statement as to the benefit of hsuB to resign cHeney so impeachment won't have to happen...
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 6:34pm
e-train or o-train...edwards or obama
Damnit if I don't keep forgetting about those two!
Posted by MATTMAN at 09/19/2007 @ 6:35pm
IBB,
A-train's a comin', get on board.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 6:37pm
Posted by ZERO 09/19/2007 @ 5:06pm
I think you may be right. And God help us all in that case.
And NOT LUVVY's god, the REAL God.
Posted by Dr Decibels at 09/19/2007 @ 6:48pm
Posted by ZERO 09/19/2007 @ 6:43pm
I think history will ultimately cite George W Bush responsible for Iraq, and regard him as The Worst President Ever! (intended to be spoken in the voice of the fat comic book store guy in the Simpsons).
Posted by MATTMAN at 09/19/2007 @ 6:48pm
IBB,
A-train's a comin', get on board.
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/19/2007 @ 6:37pm
You're a true optimist, my friend!
Posted by MATTMAN at 09/19/2007 @ 6:49pm
Hey Z, it's out that the big lie was totally hsuB/cHeney's fault. The intel stating that Iraq had no WMD was shown to hsuB and ejected out of 'all' the reports to congress. Hard to put a large culpability on the ones being lied to-- don't you think? Not that I don't think the dems should/could be kicking some more repub ass than they haven't been. And I'm definitely for bring out troops home and impeachment. But the amount of brazon criminality and incompetence that dems are investigating and oversighting is incredible in it's vastness and catching up is hard to do. Just look at what Waxman's dealing with these last few days.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 6:56pm
er, bringing our troops home
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 6:58pm
Hey what's the opposite of Mount Rushmore? That's where hsuB's face is.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 7:01pm
Posted by ZERO 09/19/2007 @ 7:03pm
Good point. Hopefully something can be learned from THIS history lesson, as apparently NOTHING was learned from Vietnam.
Posted by MATTMAN at 09/19/2007 @ 7:09pm
Dear friends and relatives:
I have the distinguished honor of being on the committee to raise $5,000,000 for a monument to George W. Bush.
We originally wanted to put him on Mt. Rushmore until we discovered there was not enough room for two more faces. We then decided to erect a statue of George in the Washington , DC Hall of Fame. We were in a quandary as to where the statue should be placed. It was not proper to place it beside the statue of George Washington, who never told a lie, or beside Richard Nixon, who never told the truth, since George could never tell the difference.
We finally decided to place it beside Christopher Columbus, the greatest Republican of them all. He left not knowing where he was going, and when he got there he did not know where he was. He returned not knowing where he had been, decimated the well-being of the majority of the population while he was there, and did it all on someone else's money.
Thank you,
George W. Bush Monument Committee
P.S.: We have raised $1.35 so far.
http://tinyurl.com/2n94uq
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 7:13pm
"What's worse is the likely fate of the Current Occupant, who is contending with Pierce, Buchanan and Warren G. Harding for the title of All-Time Worst President. He's got a good shot at the title if only because he's had so much more to be worst with. (Any young persons who have been inspired by Mr. Bush to take up public service should be watched very closely.)
I propose that we change Columbus Day to Bush Day, a cautionary holiday, like Halloween, a day to meditate on the hazards of ambition. We could observe it by going through the basement and garage and throwing out stuff we don't want or need. Also, by not mortgaging the house to pay for a vacation, and not yelling at the neighbors, and not assuming that the law is for other people."
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 7:13pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/19/2007 @ 6:37pm | ignore this person
wha? which one's that? brainfarting here...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/19/2007 @ 7:17pm
b train...biden, k train kucinich...r...b...d...not g...nor g...uh...abraxas the demiurge?
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/19/2007 @ 7:19pm
Al Gore.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 7:20pm
Yeah ok went with the first name...
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 7:21pm
oh...anarchy! you mean libertarianism?
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/19/2007 @ 7:22pm
Hey it was my train made up name right!?!?!
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 7:23pm
ah - he aint doing it though...you think he will? big al vs. 50 foot queenie?
i'm a big supporter of abraxas the demiurge, by the way.
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/19/2007 @ 7:23pm
er, letter
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 7:24pm
Oh yeah he's doing it.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 7:25pm
Come October is the talk now. Supposedly after he wins somemore prizes or something like that...
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 7:26pm
how you say? he keeps saying no but he means yes? thats a dangerous game, but i guess the anti queenie sentiment could kick in...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/19/2007 @ 7:27pm
al "the bull" gore vs 50 foot queenie!
hmmm...october, eh?
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/19/2007 @ 7:29pm
October, October, October, October, be there!!!!
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 7:32pm
Al Gore.
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/19/2007 @ 7:20pm
But it's Hillary's turn! Gore's DNC like her and I doubt they'd turn one on the other like that. He'd be more desirable, and would probably fare better in the election, though he had better not pick Lieberman as his running mate again! Yeah right.
Posted by MATTMAN at 09/19/2007 @ 7:35pm
i admit i might go fer gore. after these years of chimpy mcmushmouth's blabbering inanity, i miss "the bull's" cogent, sensible, reverend lovejoy lisp...that would also drive a telephone pole in 50 foot queenie's support...which could also put the e or o train back in the race...
but gore slaying she goliath (yeah, he's not exactly little davey, i know), then taking obama as vice president...
that would be unstoppable - 16 years of democratic white house...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/19/2007 @ 7:36pm
He never actually said he'd never run, just that he wasn't thinking about it. Then he said he might run in the future... And told some friends of his that he'd think about their aguments of why he should run. Uhm indeed. Polls showing him running ahead of everyone else in some states, 2nd in others, and he hasn't even announced.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 7:38pm
Posted by ZERO 09/19/2007 @ 7:29pm
Yeah, it's a black mark in U.S. history for everyone but the ones out in the streets on the eve of the war. Those "looney lefties" will look pretty righteous in those history books.
Posted by MATTMAN at 09/19/2007 @ 7:38pm
gore and obama are both political superstars. both good people. like batman and robin. superstar al and barry.
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/19/2007 @ 7:40pm
Impeachment or resignation of cHeney will play right into a Gore annoucement in October too.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 7:41pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/19/2007 @ 7:38pm
man...i hope you are right. i think he might be the giant slayer after all. takes a giant to slay a giant...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/19/2007 @ 7:43pm
Talk about a shot in the progressive arm.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 7:43pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/19/2007 @ 7:41pm
wha!?
next month impeachment or resignation of cheney? ok, look - there is the way i want things and the way things are...are you sure you arent confusing the two?
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/19/2007 @ 7:45pm
Time to go jog. Later.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 7:46pm
er, ask Frita. Will explain later.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 7:47pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/19/2007 @ 7:47pm
okydoky
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/19/2007 @ 7:48pm
frita? who's frita?
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/19/2007 @ 7:49pm
frita? who's frita?
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 09/19/2007 @ 7:49pm
It's what he calls Mask.
Posted by MATTMAN at 09/19/2007 @ 7:51pm
Posted by MATTMAN 09/19/2007 @ 7:51pm |
does frita endorse this? frita...thats the name of my female cat...maskot...lol...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/19/2007 @ 7:55pm
does frita endorse this? frita...thats the name of my female cat...maskot...lol...
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 09/19/2007 @ 7:55pm
I'm sure he's just flattered. Gotta go! Later
Posted by MATTMAN at 09/19/2007 @ 8:16pm
I'm right here.
Poor HSUB...even Matthew Blake is throwing out his Final Fantasy.
There WILL BE no impeachment. If the Progressive Caucus ican't end the war, how the HELL do they get enough votes to impeach Bush and/or Cheney.
As for his other "end of October" prediction...i.e. Gore deciding to run. Even Kristen Gore has said no....of course to HSUB, that means that Al is lying to his daughter, just so he can give us a nice Trick or Treat!
Posted by Mask at 09/19/2007 @ 8:48pm
BTW, the reason HSUB uses the female terms is because WILL told him I was female, and (aside from everything else people like Pelosi, Reid, GORE, etc. tell him about impeachment)...HSUB believes what WILL tells him to believe.
Posted by Mask at 09/19/2007 @ 8:50pm
Frita, I knew you'd tell the opposite as usual.
Naw the reason Frita is Frita is because she was arguing that 1. Pelosi had impeachment off the table and thus Frito as AG was secure, 2. hsuB wouldn't let Frito go, and 3. Frita was arguing with Will so adamently that she was a he that when-- 1. Pelosi said that impeachment was a go if hsuB didn't let Frito go, 2. hsuB let Frito go, then 3. I figured Frita was just plain wrong about who she was too.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 9:00pm
OK, Gore declaring he's running in Oct. Lots of articles from people close to Al saying that it's in the works as far as planning even as they say it's just in case Al decides he does want to run... Of course all anyone can say is want Al says he said which is that he's not planning on running right now. But then the last thing he said was that he might in the future and that no current candidate is pushing the urgency of global warning suffeciently, paraphrazing of course.
But only Frita cannot see the open wording there or connect the dots per her selfdistracting and prolific use of her straw dildos she so enjoys making and playing with.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 9:10pm
Posted by MASK 09/19/2007 @ 8:50pm | i
g-effin-d it! i really think GOREGON THE BULL might be the only thing capable of dropping fifty foot queenie...
someone needs to go to him and beg, like in roman times, for him to take the purple.
seriously, at this point, if GOREGON THE BULL steps into the ring i'm with him. that simple.
and then the al and barry superstar 16 year run on pennsylvania avenue...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/19/2007 @ 9:17pm
HSUB,
In a little less than 40 days and 40 nights (the period of time the rains fell in the mythic Flood)....your view on impeachment will be proven true or false. Period.
As well as your fantasy of Gore declaring for President.
Grant you two happen...I apologize. Grant that Gore runs, and no impeachment by Halloween....I apologize.
Neither happen...you dodge, obfuscate, and postpone like a Millerite who predicted the End of the World.
Posted by Mask at 09/19/2007 @ 9:22pm
Posted by ZERO 09/19/2007 @ 4:50pm | ignore this person
Well said Zero. Nancy Pelosi should have that gavel taken away from her and the mantle of House Speaker pried away from her murderous hands.............Only the voters can do it. You are 100 percent right. This is now the time for voting citizens of this country to get their heads out of the sand and realize that the Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin, the war coin that is.....................
Posted by POSEIDON at 09/19/2007 @ 9:25pm
Posted by CRABWALK 09/19/2007 @ 5:29pm | ignore this person
VICTORY! VICTORY! VICTORY, OR BUST!!!!
Posted by POSEIDON at 09/19/2007 @ 9:27pm
ok hsub...give me reason to believe...i wanna believe...hit me with a url...
about gore, that is. frita's right i fear, about impeachment, but hope springs eternal...
but gore - you say someone's saying something?
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/19/2007 @ 9:28pm
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 09/19/2007 @ 9:17pm
Hillary hinted as overtly as hinting can be...that she'd run in '07, when she was running for re-election in '06. Every other guy who wanted the job started fundraising in '06. Thompson rumors began last year and he came out of the gate two years ago.
Despite dreams, fantasies, and other HSUBian elements, a person doesn't just "decide" to run for President less than FOUR MONTHS before the first primary, with a presumptive nominee in the 20-35% range over HER opponents...and take the nomination.
Even the "Gore-friendly polls" that HF quotes...show Gore STILL losing to Her Nibs by 20%.
Posted by Mask at 09/19/2007 @ 9:30pm
Posted by MATTMAN 09/19/2007 @ 5:41pm | ignore this person
All it would take roughly is at least 5 but ideally about 7 Senate seats and about 40-50 house seats for a third party to become SERIOUS POOWERBROKERS IN THE CONGRESS and the Federal Government. You are absolutely correct. I think a much wiser use of time and resources would be to take seats and make inroads in the House and the Senate.
Posted by POSEIDON at 09/19/2007 @ 9:37pm
Posted by MASK 09/19/2007 @ 9:30pm | ignore this person
oh well...world of wishes...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/19/2007 @ 9:38pm
Neither happen...you dodge, obfuscate, and postpone like a Millerite who predicted the End of the World.
Posted by MASK 09/19/2007 @ 9:22pm
And that's called the Frita straw dildo dance.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 9:42pm
To: letters@washpost.com ; oped@washpost.com Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:31 AM
"Sometimes we can predict the future if someone just wants to believe it."
bohdan yuri ---------------------------------------- IRAQ -the Votes, the Tally, the War:
"The Inevitable"
by
bohdan yuri
The Bush Administration keeps stating that "we" cannot leave Iraq: until the votes for democracy are complete; until Iraqis establish a democratic government, until Iraqi forces can protect their citizens, not until...
Well, not until we realize The Inevitable will the true Iraqi solution come forth. It's the obvious one, the one that Iraqis are in the midst of forming themselves through violence.
This "insurgency" is not going to end until the most important lines are finally drawn, --- the boundary lines, separating each "tribe" into their own ruling domains.
Mankind has always and will always fight to the end for their country, their territory, their religion, their everything....
That is a Truth of any country, any heritage. Call it nationalism, call it anything you want except an untruth.
Presently, lines already mark territories guarded by numerous militias that answer only to their own leaders.
Therefore --- The INEVITABLE --- divide Iraq into three countries: Kurds, Sunnis, and Shiites. And most important, divide the wealth equally. Then and only then can true nation building take place. That should have been the goal from the beginning.
Iran will control the south no matter what. If Turkey invades the Kurdish "nation" then NATO is nothing more than a farce. Central Iran (Sunni) can then play out it's power over itself, as will the others.
If it's still not too late, perhaps it's worth diverting our efforts towards that solution.
But would the Bush Administration condone such a change in its policy, it would mean admitting a mistake --- and aren't they all infallible --- in their own words, in their own minds, it's always someone else's fault - (does "faulty intelligence" come to mind?)
"Stay the Course" has been their eternal mantra, a course mapped by lies.
Truth requires Courage, while Strength requires character, and Wisdom will ensure a lasting and true peace. Yet none of those qualities can be in effect until the curtain of lies is lifted. And that is where Courage still waits its turn.
Does the Administration have the Strength, Courage, and Wisdom to understand the future --- and not use the excuse of, "...nobody could have predicted, nobody could have imagined."
Republicans used that excuse in their past, from the fall of the Berlin Wall to the insurgency in Iraq. It's become an idiot's answer to the very end of time.
If they only saw the Truth..... they could predict the future!
Posted by bohdan yuri at 09/19/2007 @ 9:43pm
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 09/19/2007 @ 9:28pm
I posted hundreds arguing with Frita. But of course she's blind per hitting herself in the face with her own straw dildos so much it never really matter that it was plain as her face if she had one that is.
So how about this for starters:
http://tinyurl.com/2u8nvx
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 9:47pm
um...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/19/2007 @ 9:48pm
http://tinyurl.com/32f7md
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 9:54pm
http://tinyurl.com/yqxbxg
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 9:56pm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1868252/posts
http://tinyurl.com/2p543n
http://tinyurl.com/2wrk49
http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=w060619&s=peretz062206
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 10:11pm
zero, mattman:
it'll be really, really difficult to get people to break with the republocrats (i.e republican-democrat fusion)
johnny doe: hey honey, let's stop drivin'. i'm hungry. where do wanna eat?
janey doe: dunno. how 'bout that place. what's the sign say? 'UNCLE SLIM'S HOUSE OF INCREDIBLY DELICIOUS ALL ORGANIC BARBEQUE SUPER BURGERS.'
johnny doe: yep, sounds great! wait. look! there's a MCDONALD'S and a BURGER KING side by side. which one you want tonight?
janey doe: let's do bk. the mcdonald's last night gave me gas.
johnny doe: sure. but let's go to mickey d's tomorrow. i need my big mac fix!
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/19/2007 @ 10:29pm
http://tinyurl.com/2p2rt9
http://tinyurl.com/2gju8j
http://www.gore-obama2008.blogspot.com/
http://tinyurl.com/2hn228
http://tinyurl.com/2e9an4
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 10:35pm
I agree. The greens should focus on Congress at least before making costly statements at the presidential level.
Posted by MATTMAN 09/19/2007 @ 5:41pm
here in CDN (pbuh), the greens recently came in second in a federal by-election.
next time 'round, we're gonna crack that ceiling.
y'all can do it! persevere.
remember the ['scuse the non-double spacing, but there's a whole bunch. i'll leave it to the historians to sort out there importance]:
Most of the following parties are no longer functioning. Some of them had considerable influence. In order of founding. Federalist Party (c.1789c.1820) Democratic-Republican Party (1792c.1824) Anti-Masonic Party (18261838) National Republican Party (18291833) Nullifier Party (18301839) Whig Party (18331856) Liberty Party (18401848) Free Soil Party (18481855) Anti-Nebraska Party (1854) American Party ("Know-Nothings") (c.18541858) Opposition Party (18541858) Constitutional Union Party (1860) National Union Party, (18641868) Readjuster Party (1870-1885) Liberal Republican Party (1872) Greenback Party (18741884) Anti-Monopoly Party (1884) Populist Party (18921908) Silver Party (1892-1902) National Democratic Party/Gold Democrats (18961900) Silver Republican Party (1896-1900) Social Democratic Party (19001901) Home Rule Party of Hawaii (created to serve the native Hawaiian agenda in the state legislature and U.S. Congress) (19001912) Socialist Party of America (19011973) Progressive Party 1912 ("Bull Moose Party") (19121914) Non-Partisan League (Not a party in the technical sense) (19151956) Farmer-Labor Party (19181944) Progressive Party 1924 (1924) Communist League of America (19281934) American Workers Party (19331934) Workers Party of the United States (19341938) Union Party (1936) American Labor Party (19361956) America First Party (1944) (19441996) States' Rights Democratic Party ("Dixiecrats") (1948) Progressive Party 1948 (19481955) Vegetarian Party (19481964) Constitution Party (United States 50s) (19521968?) Puerto Rican Socialist Party (19591993) Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party (1964) Communist Workers Party (19691985) People's Party (19711976) U.S. Labor Party (19751979) Citizens Party (19791984) New Alliance Party (19791992) Populist Party of 1980s-1990s (19841994) Looking Back Party (19841996) Grassroots Party (19862004) Independent Party of Utah (19881996) Greens/Green Party USA (19912005) New Party (1992 1998) Natural Law Party (19922004) Mountain Party (2000-2007) Become the West Virginia affiliate of the Green Party July 16, 2007
some of these dudes were quite important
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/19/2007 @ 10:37pm
P.S.: We have raised $1.35 so far.
http://tinyurl.com/2n94uq
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/19/2007 @ 7:13pm
i.e. $1.00 canadian (thanks, georgie boy)
:-]
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/19/2007 @ 10:40pm
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 09/19/2007 @ 9:38pm
HSUB getting more hysterical as the time draws nigh. His original prediction back on January 4th, must have seemed almost assured...even conservative...claiming that "by late October" both Bush and Cheney would be impeached.
I'm sure in his mind there was NO WAY that the Democrats couldn't support impeachment after "all the hearings" they were going to have in the Spring and Summer. Pelosi's "off the table" was meaningless...she'd be dragged to it, kicking and screaming by guys like John Conyers, Chair of the House Judiciary and starting point of bills of impeachment.
After all, Conyers had held those "basement hearings"...proposed bills of impeachment well before the Dems took the majority....revved up the base (this last is key) on how "Once we get Congress, we'll make Nancy Pelosi the President by Thanksgiving '07!"
Then, the Dems won Congress (with the enthusiastic support of that group of Impeachment true believers)and...
Conyers told Democracy Now, it ain't happening (Search "Conyers Flanders" here at The Nation, if you don't know that story). Then came guys like Rahm Emanuel, George Miller, even HOWARD DEAN poo'pooing the idea. Then a one-two punch...
Russ Feingold (Mr Nichols fave) saying no on Daily Kos (and quickly throwing out a half-assed "censure" move, when the angry e-mails started pouring in)...and John Conyers (again) telling Cindy Sheehan it wasn't happening, then GETTING HER ARRESTED!
Perhaps the worse for ol' HSUB was Gore. Gore saying "impeachment won't be successful" threw him for a loop. But not long...he was able to "translate" Gore...as he "translated" Pelosi, Reid, Conyers, Feingold, Dean, etc.
They didn't REALLY mean it, when they were squelching impeachment...it was a trick..or..uh...something, to lull those poor dumb Bushites into their fiendishly clever trap. They suffered the slings and arrows of an outraged Impeachment Gang, just to "later" turn around and give them impeachment...uh..."when the time was right"!
But in fairness, HSUB has never recanted his "late October" prediction. He had plenty of time back in June, July, even August...to say "Okay, due to the Gonzales thing...it's probably going to be first of NEXT year, February likely" and buy himself some more time. He didn't...so big ups to him for that.
Unfortunately, with 6 weeks to go...six 20 liters of Jolt Cola couldn't make him more nervous. It's looking like "Frita" is going to be proven right "straw dildoes" and all.
And if Gore doesn't announce on All Saint's Day....jeez louise, I've debated just how nutty HSUB will get. Will he actually start a month-by-month "Oh, okay...Al can announce NOW and still win it"...as Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina, California, Florida tick off? Then August 2008, and HF is saying "The party will turn on Hillary...it'll be an open convention...they'll draft Gore!"? (Or maybe something even crazier like "Hillary will pick Al for her Veep!")
Regardless, I'd feel sorry for my ol pal HSUB and his descent into madness as the unfairness of the Universe strikes him....but he's mostly a jerk, so not really.
heheh
Posted by Mask at 09/19/2007 @ 10:45pm
Posted by MASK 09/19/2007 @ 8:48pm |
LOL
i had been reading the conversation amongst these dudes, thinking "where the f#@k is mask?"
never imagined you'd let them go on so long!
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/19/2007 @ 10:45pm
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 09/19/2007 @ 9:17pm
IBBS,
don't wait for GOREDOT too long.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/19/2007 @ 10:48pm
In a little less than 40 days and 40 nights (the period of time the rains fell in the mythic Flood)....your view on impeachment will be proven true or false. Period.
Posted by MASK 09/19/2007 @ 9:22pm
i've got the ark under construction, just in case.
actually i'm kinda worried about that greenland ice cap.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/19/2007 @ 10:50pm
Posted by MASK 09/19/2007 @ 10:45pm
the shame of it is that i think the goregon could have done it this time, could have taken 50 foot queenie...
he's beefed up...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/19/2007 @ 10:57pm
ah, it's 11:00
everybody's watching stewart-colbert.
see ya at midnight
:+}
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/19/2007 @ 11:12pm
Er, who said:
"The president says, 'I don't care.' He's not accountable anymore," measuring his words by the syllable and his syllables almost by the letter. "He's not accountable anymore, which isn't totally true. You can impeach him, and before this is over, you might see calls for his impeachment. I don't know. It depends how this goes."
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 11:18pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/19/2007 @ 11:18pm
sen. chuckie hagel
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/19/2007 @ 11:31pm
Posted by RIOB 09/19/2007 @ 11:02
BWAHAHAHAH, you're dlusional. Even Faux Noise says you're full of poop.
FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. Sept. 11-12, 2007. N=900 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.
"This week General David Petraeus gave a report to Congress on the progress in Iraq. Based on what you know, was General Petraeus's report truthful and objective, or was it slanted toward the policies of the Bush Administration?"
Date___________Truthful___Slanted___Unsure
9/11-12/07_______35 ________40 ______25
"Based on General Petraeus's new report, do you think the United States should pull out all troops immediately, pull out all troops gradually over the next year, pull out after Iraqi troops are capable of taking over, or, send more troops?"
Date_Pull Out Immediately_Gradually_After Iraqis Capable_Send More Troops_Unsure
9/11-12/07_______22________42____________24______________2__________10
XXXxxxXXxxxXXxxxXXXXxxxxXxxxxXXXxxx
Associated Press-Ipsos poll conducted by Ipsos Public Affairs. Sept. 6-9, 2007. N=1,000 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.1.
"As you may know, this year additional U.S. troops were sent to Iraq. Do you think sending more troops to Iraq has helped stabilize the situation there, or not?"
Date_________Has___Has Not___Unsure
9/6-9/07 ______36 _____58 ______6
"Just your best guess, how do you think history will judge the war in Iraq: as a complete success, as more of a success than a failure, as more of a failure than a success, or as a complete failure?"
Date_______Complete___More Success___More Failure___Complete ___________Success____Than Failure___Than Success____Failure_____Unsure
9/6-9/07 _______7_________27___________31___________28_________7
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 11:40pm
I've debated just how nutty HSUB will get.
Posted by MASK 09/19/2007 @ 10:45pm
And Frita is doing this all by herself while dancing in the rain with her limp straw dildos-- isn't Filda celerbrating pretty early considering she was totally wrong about her Frito... some people just never learn.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/19/2007 @ 11:46pm
RIO BRAVO:
Why are you lying? Most news agencies are not reporting that at all. According to the Washington Post, it's 33%.
Do you feel better about yourself when you lie, or is it to cover up your intellectual shortcomings, hoping, PRAYING, even, that no one will fact check your spurious and erroneous claims?
Posted by jorcheim at 09/20/2007 @ 12:01am
http://www.hist.umn .edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm [hist.umn.edu]
Posted by jorcheim at 09/20/2007 @ 12:03am
Posted by jorcheim at 09/20/2007 @ 12:03am
Posted by jorcheim at 09/20/2007 @ 12:04am
Ok, this link is not allowing me to post it on here, so here is the text.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/custom/2006/02/02/CU2006020 201345.html
Posted by jorcheim at 09/20/2007 @ 12:05am
According to the Jerusalem Post, Syria began developing chemical weapons in 1973, just before the Yom Kipper War. Globalsecurity.org cites the country as having one of the most advanced chemical weapons programs in the Middle East."
Posted by RIO BRAVO 09/19/2007 @ 10:50pm
from qwiki:
The United States offensive biological weapons program was instigated by President Franklin Roosevelt and the U.S. Secretary of War in October of 1941
and
The U.S. ratified the Geneva Protocol on January 22, 1975. The U.S. ratified the Biological Weapons Convention (BWC) which came into effect in March 1975.[Kissinger 1969] Negotiations for a legally binding verification protocol to the BWC proceeded for years. In 2001, negotiations ended when the Bush administration rejected an effort by other signatories to create a protocol for verification, arguing that it could be abused to interfere with legitimate biological research.
and
The U.S. had entered into the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907 which banned aerial bombing and chemical warfare among other things but which were disregarded in actual combat. In WWI, the U.S. produced its own munitions as well as deploying weapons produced by the French. The U.S. produced 5,770 metric tons of these weapons, including 1,400 metric tons of phosgene and 175 metric tons of mustard gas. This was about 4% of the total chemical weapons produced for that war and only just over 1% of the era's most effective weapon, mustard gas. (U.S. troops suffered less than 6% of gas casualties.)
and
After the war, the Allies recovered German artillery shells containing three new nerve agents developed by the Germans (Tabun, Sarin, and Soman), prompting further research into nerve agents by all of the former Allies. Thousands of American soldiers were exposed to warfare agents during Cold War testing programs[3] as well as in accidents. One such accident in 1968, killed approximately 6,400 sheep when an agent, possibly VX drifted out of Dugway Proving Ground during a test.[4]
and
In 1993, the United States signed the Chemical Weapons Treaty, which required the destruction of all chemical weapon agents, dispersal systems, chemical weapons production facilities by April 2012. The U.S. prohibition on the transport of chemical weapons has meant that destruction facilities had to be constructed at each of the U.S.'s nine storage facilities. The U.S. met the first three of the treaty's four deadlines, destroying 45% of its stockpile of chemical weapons by 2007. However, official expectations for the date of complete elimination of all chemical weapons was after the treaty deadline of 2012.
and
Although April 2012 is the latest date allowed by the treaty, the U.S. also noted that this deadline may not be met due to environmental challenges and the U.S. decision to destroy leaking individual chemical shells before bulk storage chemical weapons.
and
The exact number of nuclear weapons possessed by the United States is difficult to determine. Different treaties and organizations have different criteria for reporting nuclear weapons, especially those held in reserve, and those being dismantled or rebuilt: As of 1999, the U.S. was said to have 12,000 nuclear weapons of all types stockpiled. [15]
what's bad for the goose is bad for the gander
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/20/2007 @ 12:10am
Posted by RIOB 09/19/2007 @ 11:48p
You are truly delusional. Every hsuB 'job' approval poll is in the 20-30's no 40's in the bunch:
PollingReport.com
PRESIDENT BUSH Overall Job Rating in recent national polls
Survey_____Date_____Approve___Disapprove__Unsure___Dif
CBS_______9/14-16/07___29 ________64 ________7 ___-35
Pew_______9/12-16/07___31 ________59 _______10 ___-28
CBS/NYT____9/4-8/07____30 ________64 ________6 ___-34
Quinnipiac__8/7-13/07 ___ 29 ________64 ________7 ___-35
CBS________8/8-12/07___29 ________65 ________6 ___-36
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/20/2007 @ 12:11am
Ok, this link is not allowing me to post it on here, so here is the text.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/custom/2006/02/02/CU2006020 201345.html
Posted by JORCHEIM 09/20/2007 @ 12:05am
here's your link [tinyurl.com]
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/20/2007 @ 12:14am
FROSTY POLLS, INC.
FROSTY POLLS IS PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE OUR NEW SURVEY:
we asked 100% of delusional yes-men who they preferred as commander in chief
the results:
george bush--97%
god--102%
both--199%
results are accurate, always (20 times out of 20, error is impossible)
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/20/2007 @ 12:18am
LVLIBERTY1:
I find it ironic that we have been debating this very issue all day long, then like a Johnny Come Lately, you come strolling in and have absolutely nothing constructive to add to the debate. At least PLAIN BRUCE does a good job of actually engaging in discourse. You don't even make an attempt.
You're so pitiful, is almost funny. I just hope you aren't as lunkheaded in real life as you portray yourself on this blog.
Posted by jorcheim at 09/20/2007 @ 12:22am
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 09/20/2007 @ 12:16am
well the pro-war, anti-freedom pawns are at least happy to be on the chess board.
let's look at the other statues [white is bad, black is bad]
white king -- bush
black king -- cheney
white queen -- pelosi
black queen -- hrc
white bishops -- dobson, robertson
black bishops -- rove,
ah, f#$k
you get the picture
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/20/2007 @ 12:25am
Ok, off to bed ladies and gents. Have a great night, everyone.
Posted by jorcheim at 09/20/2007 @ 12:29am
Ok, off to bed ladies and gents. Have a great night, everyone.
Posted by JORCHEIM 09/20/2007 @ 12:29am
fais de beaux rκves
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/20/2007 @ 12:37am
If I could cut through the dead-end, non-progressive wiseacring for a moment, parelleling Pelosi's gavelling, I had a question for Zero. Hee be d'man.
Are you using the phrase "political class" according to a particular social or philosophical theory, or just winging it? (-which is fine)
It is not correct to say the Republicans are not the war party, whatever historians write. They have been and are. Why is it so difficult for people supposedly 'progresive' to just say that?
My I share a hunch?
Repubes are bad man ass. Don't dare blame them, they'll gittcha in the John or somewhere. It's gaynxiety.
Dems are mommy's. You hate Dem's for being "weak" the way little zero hates his mommy for not standing up against Big Daddy.
But they are good people who have done what they could, right?: Well, no, you say. Something has held them back. What?
Let's go out on a limb. Let's suppose the same thing that has held them back from confronting Republican Hee Men is what has brought their poll #'s to 11%. Reasonable? I think so.
What would that be? What is that secret mystic accursed bond connecting Repubs and Dems, preventing honest partisan dueling over issues, as healthy democratic system demands? It must be taboo, or one of the 72 progressive Congresspersons would bring it up, right?
Now I 'spect you're scratchin' your head. Where is this going to go? What taboo could prevent Democrats from standing up like good, fierce Sheheen bithes to child abuse Male tranny Steinberg's (Joel).
Uh oh. I've given it away. Congress is suffering from the condition called Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD). Queen Bees Hillary (called that in a news clip today) and Nancy have been left in the hive alone by the worker bee drones. They have just gone off to die, of fallen dead outside the hive with twitching wings. The material cause, isolated at Hebrew University, is named Israeli Acute Paralysis Virus. The entelechy, or final cause, is lack of collective spiritual oxygen for the soul to breath. For instance, the article here had to work in the name of Steve Cohen, a Jew, fine individual that he is, I'm sure, as anti-war. Rumor is that they think it's mostly about oil, what can you do. But I'll also bet he's totally Zion -0-centric and not necessarily conviced bombing Iran would be insane.
Israeli Acute Paralysis Virus. Infecting the entire political class.
Posted by jones at 09/20/2007 @ 12:40am
Posted by JONES 09/20/2007 @ 12:40am
oops, i unignored you by accident.
thanks to these "idiots" your life is just a "little" better
A George Akerlof Abraham Adrian Albert Ralph Asher Alpher Saul Amarel Christian B. Anfinsen Igor Ansoff Kenneth Appel Jerome Apt Zora Arkus-Duntov Kenneth Arrow Solomon Asch Julius Axelrod B David Baltimore Aaron T. Beck Gary Becker Richard Bellman M. A. Benjaminson Seymour Benzer Paul Berg Daniel J. Bernstein Lipman Bers Stanley Biber Felix Bloch Walter Block Leonard Bloomfield David Bohm David Botstein Richard Brauer Gregory Breit Ronald Breslow Andrei Broder Bernard Budiansky C Melvin Calvin Frank Coe Abby Joseph Cohen Stanley Cohen (neurologist) Mildred Cohn Sidney Coleman D George Dantzig Bernard Davis E Albert Einstein Gertrude B. Elion Albert Ellis F Neil Farbstein Bernard T. Feld Richard Feynman Joshua Fishman Robert Fogel James Franck Daniel Friedan Jeffrey M. Friedman Milton Friedman Stanton T. Friedman G Merrill Garnett Richard Garwin Herbert Spencer Gasser Murray Gell-Mann Walter Gilbert Henry Gilman Donald A. Glaser Roy J. Glauber Salome Gluecksohn-Waelsch Harry Gold Samuel A. Goldblith Dorian M. Goldfeld Peter Goldreich G cont. Richard Goldschmidt Jeffrey Goldstone Sidney Gottlieb Stephen Jay Gould Brian Greene David Greenglass Alan Greenspan Talk:Alan Greenspan Zvi Griliches Eugene Guth Louis Guttman H Erwin Hahn Jonathan Haidt Theodore Hall Herbert A. Hauptman Richard Herrnstein Milton Himmelfarb Roald Hoffmann H. Robert Horvitz Hendrik S. Houthakker Leonid Hurwicz I Edward Israel J Joseph Jacobson Eliezer Jaffe Charles W. Juels K Daniel Kahneman Michael Kaplan (biologist) Martin Karplus Nick Katz Henry Kaufman Marc Kirschner Fritz Klein Lawrence Klein Rudolf Kompfner Arthur Kornberg Roger D. Kornberg Paul Krugman Simon Kuznets L William Labov Edwin H. Land Eric Lander Karl Landsteiner Kenneth Lane Robert S. Langer Esther Lederberg Joshua Lederberg Emil Lederer Leon M. Lederman Solomon Lefschetz Emma Lehmer Richard Lerner Sol Leshinsky Phoebus Levene David J. Lipman Fritz Albert Lipmann Fritz London M Theodore Harold Maiman Lynn Margulis Harry Markowitz Jacob Marschak Martin Lewis Perl John McCarthy (computer scientist) Melissa Franklin Samuel James Meltzer Robert C. Merton Robert K. Merton Matthew Meselson M cont. Elliot Meyerowitz Albert Abraham Michelson Stanley Milgram Merton Miller Stanley Miller Marvin Minsky Gordon Moskowitz Hermann Joseph Muller Walter Munk Hugo Mόnsterberg N Daniel Nathans Abraham Nemeth Nathan M. Newmark Sherwin B. Nuland O Frank Oppenheimer Robert Oppenheimer P Oren Patashnik Judea Pearl Arno Allan Penzias William Perl Gregory Goodwin Pincus Alexander Pines Steven Pinker Frank Press Stanley B. Prusiner R Isidor Isaac Rabi Lydia Rabinowitsch-Kempner Jef Raskin Wilhelm Reich Frederick Reines Judith Resnik Stuart A. Rice Martin Rodbell Joseph J. Romm Marshall Rosenbluth Michael Rossmann Murray Rothbard S Jeffrey Sachs Nadav Safran Carl Sagan Jonas Salk Steven Salzberg Paul Samuelson Allan Sandage Abner Shimony William James Sidis George Silverman Herbert Simon Robert Soblen Robert Sonkin Robert Sternberg Leo Strauss Lawrence Summers James Joseph Sylvester T Valentine Telegdi Edward Teller Howard Martin Temin U Stanislaw Ulam V Harold E. Varmus John von Neumann W David Wechsler Steven Weinberg Victor Frederick Weisskopf Samuel Isaac Weissman Frank Westheimer Harry Dexter White Alexander S. Wiener
BTW i hope you never end up unconscious in the emergency room under the care of DR. JEWSTEIN. karma's a bitch.
shalom
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/20/2007 @ 12:49am
Posted by RIO BRAVO 09/19/2007 @ 10:50pm
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
Oh, man, better than Leno.
And Maasch thinks the people that didn't want an unneeded war, that want health care for children are "the fringe" whackos. But look who is hiding behind Mr. Maasch, it is RIOKORESH, the "mainstream " American Taliban grasping at straws only slightly more fantastical than the Rapture and flying colored horseys.
Yep, that's right folks, those wmd's ended up in Syria, it is the only possible option, other than reality.
Jesus you are one screwed up person. Please don't raise children or grandchildren, I am begging you.
Posted by crabwalk at 09/20/2007 @ 07:53am
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 09/20/2007 @ 12:16am
Or, could it be that 11% shows that congress is once again lags behind The People? Maybe it is at 11% because the cons are still being obstructionist and threatening filibuster every chance they get, after having claimed the filibuster was "anti-constitutional" for 5 years.
As a Shepherd, maybe you could explain to your fellow Taliban, RIOKORESH, that LYING is a sin. Where does habitual sinning get a Christian? I realize he lives in a fantasy world, but maybe you could help him out this once?
******
the "non-fringe" American Taliban won their elections in 2000 and 2004. What did it get them? Bans on about 5000 people marrying, 1.2 million dead Iraqis, more guvt officials in jail than I can remember, one tiny ban on late-term abortions, HUGE deficits, HUGE trading deficits with COMMUNISTS, no new immigration policy, no credibility in the White House, failed Sec Def, failed Attorney General...
Yeah, tell me about the "mainstreams" effectiveness. The world is onto the scam called "the religious right" and they are not amused. Frickin nut jobs is what you are. World views based on fantasy writings and unproven, failed theories that have zilch to do with actual human behavior. Propped up by lies and obfuscation.
cute.
Posted by crabwalk at 09/20/2007 @ 08:05am
That's a reply?
Any women in that hive or is this just the queer eye list?
Wonder why bombing Iran was the only topic CNN interviewer asked the new UN man about -- or, indeed, why it was the ONLY item of foreign affairs news the first 30 minutes after 7 am.
I'll tell youse why. Jews run the news. And this board, too. When Americans learn how much it has been and is manipulated by these people, which is beginning to happen, big time, thats when you do the karma lookout thing. Repubes and the Joobs -- enemies of America, Christianity, humanity.
Posted by jones at 09/20/2007 @ 08:06am
Don't forget that since the American Taliban claimed power, Islamic extremist violence has hit an all time high.
Catastrophic success, I guess.
Posted by crabwalk at 09/20/2007 @ 08:07am
Lets see, the New Deal, a "progressive ideal" lasted over 50 years. The "republican revolution" fizzled after less than ten.
Who is "the fringe"?
Posted by crabwalk at 09/20/2007 @ 08:08am
hey! hey! Ho Chi Mihn
HERBOLLAH is going to win!
Posted by jones at 09/20/2007 @ 08:09am
Posted by JONES 09/20/2007 @ 08:06am
See, thats what I thought when I married a Jewess. But alas, I do not get my share of world power. My local paper is "controlled" by a neo-con scab Christian.
So much for the Nazi theory of Jewish control.
Posted by crabwalk at 09/20/2007 @ 08:11am
I believe it's called obstruction and the hsuB/cHeney admin have been doing it to 'we the people' for way too long.
http://tinyurl.com/22hgj6
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/20/2007 @ 08:44am
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 09/19/2007 @ 10:45pm
I'm quite patient, FROSTY. After all, I've waited since 01/02/2007 @ 4:20pm and 01/05/2007 @ 2:36pm, and will wait 40 days more....to see who actually is building the straw dildoes!
Posted by Mask at 09/20/2007 @ 09:00am
Human being's natures are alike; it is their habits that separate them.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/20/2007 @ 09:47am
Habit, if not resisted, soon becomes necessity.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/20/2007 @ 09:52am
HSUB....40 days to go....
"Aren't you beginning to feel time gaining on you? It's like a predator. It's stalking you. Oh, you can try and outrun it with polls, websites, declarations of hope, but in the end, time is going to hunt you down and make the kill!"
(1000 blog bucks to whoever can figure out where I paraphrased that from...heheh)
Posted by Mask at 09/20/2007 @ 09:56am
I do have some french dna.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/20/2007 @ 10:12am
Nice response Frosty!
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 09/20/2007 @ 12:52am
thanks
it's too bad we have to live with that nonsense
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/20/2007 @ 10:19am
Posted by JONES 09/20/2007 @ 08:06am
See, thats what I thought when I married a Jewess. But alas, I do not get my share of world power. My local paper is "controlled" by a neo-con scab Christian.
So much for the Nazi theory of Jewish control.
Posted by CRABWALK 09/20/2007 @ 08:11am
careful, she's plotting against you!
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/20/2007 @ 10:21am
Posted by MASK 09/20/2007 @ 09:56am
is that some bad 80's song
hall and oates? maneater?
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/20/2007 @ 10:29am
Seriously I don't know why you guys are even bothering with JONES.
Straight-up bigots offer NOTHING to the dialogue.
Posted by Mask at 09/20/2007 @ 10:30am
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 09/20/2007 @ 10:29am
Hmm?...no...heheh.
Actually it's a film. And no, it's not "Battleship Potemkin" or "The Seventh Seal" or even "An Inconvenient Truth".
Posted by Mask at 09/20/2007 @ 10:32am
why didn't i just google in the first place? that's how i catch RIO plagiarizing.
Jean-Luc Picard: What you're about to do, Soran, is no different from when the Borg destroyed your world. They killed millions, too, including your wife... your children.
Tolian Soran: [smiles] Nice try. You know there, was a time when I wouldn't hurt a fly. The the Borg came, and they showed me that if there is one constant in this whole universe, it's death. Afterwards, I began to realize that it didn't really matter. We're all going to die sometime. It's just a question of how and when. You will, too, Captain. Aren't you beginning to fell time gaining on you? It's like a predator. It's stalking you. Oh, you can try and outrun it with doctor, medicines, new technologies, but in the end, time is going to hunt you down and make the kill.
Jean-Luc Picard: It's our mortality that defines us, Soran. It's part of the truth of our existence.
Tolian Soran: What if I told you I found a new truth?
Jean-Luc Picard: The nexus?
Tolian Soran: Time has no meaning there. The predator has no teeth.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/20/2007 @ 10:50am
Yep, Frita and as well as my friends see me as a Jean-Luc Picard type in real life too.
But wait that means Frita sees herself as McD? The evil one!?! The one enfected with Borg hate!?!
Wow, just goes to show you how made-up stuff sometime mimics real life eventually...
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/20/2007 @ 11:15am
More to the point, the Borg:
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/12938.html
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/20/2007 @ 11:16am
er, infected
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/20/2007 @ 11:19am
HSUB.....
Resistance is futile.....40 days and counting!
heheh
Posted by Mask at 09/20/2007 @ 11:29am
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 09/20/2007 @ 10:50am
Okay FROSTY, would you like your Blog Bucks in American dollars or Canadian dollars?
Posted by Mask at 09/20/2007 @ 11:29am
Posted by MASK 09/20/2007 @ 09:56am | ignore this person
time makes liars of us all, mask...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/20/2007 @ 12:13pm
I just hope you aren't as lunkheaded in real life as you portray yourself on this blog.
Posted by JORCHEIM 09/20/2007 @ 12:22am
Wish in one hand and piss in the other..... I'm betting this is the real LUVVY, lumps, warts, ingnorance, mindless hate and all.
What a disgusting excuse for a human being.
Posted by Dr Decibels at 09/20/2007 @ 12:13pm
DR DECIBELS:
Sadly, you're probably right.
Posted by jorcheim at 09/20/2007 @ 12:24pm
"liberty" = orwellian doublespeak for something other than freedom...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/20/2007 @ 12:32pm
IBBLEBLIBBLE:
Ok, that made me laugh. And cry... all at once.
Posted by jorcheim at 09/20/2007 @ 12:46pm
THE TRANSLATION ... OR, WHAT THE SELF-HATING "J'ERRY BIN FARWELL WAS RIGHT ABOUT 911" AMERI-TALIBAN REALLY MEANS TO SAY:
It's quite amusing to see the rightists attempt to ignore the actual reality. For years we have seen bloggers, freaks, and wide-eyed frothing circus rejects telling us that the globe is going to be RAPTURED, that I personally will be zapped and fly out of clothes to heaven...blah, blah,blah, blah.
Instead what we see are the far right in the bathroom stalls, going wide-stanced, crying in their copies of FIST-FUCK FRENZY because they do not have the RAPTURE they dream of having.
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 09/20/2007 @ 12:16am
Posted by John_Shaft at 09/20/2007 @ 1:47pm
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 09/20/2007 @ 1:55pm
Sad to see LVLIBERTY's snit, but he can do as he wishes with his ignore list or with what posts he glides completely over like someone flying in a jet over Nebraska without a glance at the disaster below. (HAPPY is first on my fly over list. From him, we get none of the amusements found in the manic stupidity on crytal meth' of, say, MAASCH, nor the very elaborate fringe obsessioning of LVLIBERTY1).
But as LVLIBERTY1 insists I am not telling the truth, I invite other people visible on his screen to ask him about The Rapture and Farwell's 9-11 ravings. Judge for yourself the veracity of the references in the 1:47 post.
As for LARRY CRAIG? LARRY CRAIG is the Repulsive Party today. Right now. 100%, no doubt. LARRY CRAIG. Repulsive Party. Phony. Sanctinmous. Unaccomplished. Unprincipled. Self-hating. Full of Shit. Feeling (sniff-sniff) Victimized. Sending America down the crapper while they tap their feet ...
Posted by John_Shaft at 09/20/2007 @ 2:19pm
Okay FROSTY, would you like your Blog Bucks in American dollars or Canadian dollars?
Posted by MASK 09/20/2007 @ 11:29am
same difference.
thanks, georgie
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/20/2007 @ 2:30pm
hey JONES!
they got you pegged for an anti-semite. not having read any of your postings in too much depth, gotta say i've not formed any opinions yet.
maybe you should take a page from seinfeld and do like the jewish convert ex-non-jew dentist guy who converted to judaism and married a jewess to be able to tell jewish jokes without being accused of anti-semitism...
you could even then become a jew for jesus ex non-jew...and anti-semitically rant to your hearts content.
if you cant marry a jewess, you could probably dig into the family history and find a jew in the woodpile or make one up to lend non-anti-semite gloss to possibly anti-semitic ranting...
i did! (just kidding, i got a real jew in the woodpile and am not anti-semitic, just oppositionally defiant and perverse).
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/20/2007 @ 3:55pm
Perhaps the progressive caucus needs to accept that it hasn't the votes to overturn the war. But that doesn't mean they cannot continue to pressure the Republicans and hang the war and every dirty aspect of it around the necks of Republicans, and that is what they should be doing. Day after day, month after month. And when the Republicans threaten a filibuster, make them carry it out. When the psycho in the White House threatens a veto, make him carry it out. Push the investigations, push the subpoenas, and make sure the public knows the facts. If the President lies, call him a liar. If a Republican senator lies, call him a liar. If a general lies, call him a liar.
Unless Democrats are willing to go all out and go for the jugular and the crotch the way the Republicans have for years, there will be no end to Republicanism and all its foulness. If you play nice with these people, they'll just slit your throat and leave you in the gutter while they count the money they stole from you.
Posted by Ric Gerace at 09/20/2007 @ 4:11pm
Exactly.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/20/2007 @ 5:26pm
These democrats who voted with the republicans are repugnant cowards and should be targeted for defeat.
Posted by kevin99999 at 09/20/2007 @ 10:33pm
this talk of voting for the greens is moonshine, pie in the sky, and will lead to only one thing, victory for the hated repubs.
third parties are built from the bottom up, not from the top down. on a national stage the greens are not ready for prime time.
Posted by johannesrolf at 09/21/2007 @ 09:05am
Posted by JONES 09/20/2007 @ 08:06am | ignore this person
yes, of course, it's always die Tschutten. you can continue the antisemitic rants from the ignore zone. Sieg Heil.
Posted by johannesrolf at 09/21/2007 @ 09:34am
yes, of course, it's always die Tschutten. you can continue the antisemitic rants from the ignore zone. Sieg Heil.
Posted by JOHANNESROLF 09/21/2007 @ 09:34am
making me proud JR
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/21/2007 @ 09:56am
books.google.Weimar Culture
this is for you Frost, and for anyone else.
Posted by johannesrolf at 09/21/2007 @ 10:17am
a shade off topic, so sue me. I am ashamed of my city council which prevented, along with other politicos, the pres of Iran to make a commemorative visit to the WTC site. shortsighted in the extreme. here was an opportunity to reach the millions of muslims, in a way Karen Hughes never will. they would have seen a muslim paying his respects to the victims of Bin Laden.
but of course Americans too would have seen this. and that might interfere with the war drums beating, beating.
Posted by johannesrolf at 09/21/2007 @ 10:27am
i guess they were sick of all the killing (couldn't find a bigger one) [art-ww1.com]
well, i'm ready to move in! [tinyurl.com]
my friend has an original bauhaus chair. comfy.
LOST IN THE STARS
By Maxwell Anderson & Kurt Weill
Before Lord God made the sea and the land,
He held all the stars in the palm of his hand.
And they ran through his fingers like grains of sand,
And one little star fell alone.
Then the Lord God hunted through the wide night air
For the little dark star on the wind down there.
And he stated and promised he'd take special care
So it wouldn't get lost again.
Now a man don't mind if the stars grow dim
And the clouds blow over and darken him,
So long as the Lord God's watching over them,
Keeping track of how it all goes on.
But I've been walking all the night and the day,
Till my eyes get weary and my head turns gray.
And sometimes it seems maybe God's gone away,
And we're lost out here in the stars.
Little stars, big stars, blowing through the night,
And we're lost out here in the stars.
Little stars, big stars, blowing through the night,
And we're lost out here in the stars.
check out abbey lincoln's version [en.wikipedia.org] version. sublime
check this one out, too: Arnold Schoenberg--Concerto for Piano, op.42 ‘twelve-tone mania! beautiful.
"A happy man is too satisfied with the present to dwell too much on the future." "My Future Plans" an essay written at age 17 for school exam (18 September 1896) The Collected Papers of Albert Einstein Vol. 1 (1987) Doc. 22
oops.
The little world of childhood with its familiar surroundings is a model of the greater world. The more intensively the family has stamped its character upon the child, the more it will tend to feel and see its earlier miniature world again in the bigger world of adult life. Naturally this is not a conscious, intellectual process.
Carl Jung--The Theory of Psychoanalysis (1913)
damn, i wonder what HIS parents were smoking :+]
look! here's one for y'all:
Society cannot share a common communication system so long as it is split into warring factions.--bertolt brecht
nope.
One cannot be deeply responsive to the world without being saddened very often.--ERICH FROMM ABC TV (25 May 1958)
"always look on the bright side of life." Brian Cohen (played by Graham Chapman)
have you ever seen Godzilla (1954) [en.wikipedia.org])?
not at all like later versions. very dark. a catharsis only a nuked buddhist could understand. look for the version sans raymond burr (gotta love ironside--music by quincy jones!)
"In Entertainment Weekly, Owen Glieberman, who gave the film an A- rating, wrote: "Godzilla, an ancient beast roused from the ocean depths and irradiated by Japanese H-bomb tests, reduces Tokyo to a pile of ash, yet, like Kong, he grows more sympathetic as his rampage goes on. The characters talk about him not as an enemy but as a force of destiny, a god. The inescapable subtext is that Japan, in some bizarre way, deserves this hell. Godzilla is pop culture's grandest symbol of nuclear apocalypse, but he is also the primordial spirit of Japanese aggression turned, with something like fate, against itself."[2]
In the Dallas Observer, Luke Y. Thompson wrote: "A lot of people are likely to be surprised by what they see. The 1954 Japanese cut is shot like a classic film noir, and the buildup to Tokyo's inevitable thrashing is quite slow by today's standards. The echoes of World War II are very strong, and the devastation wrought by Gojira (played by Haruo Nakajima) is not sugar-coated; it eerily mirrors that of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the deaths and injuries are dwelt upon. The monster himself is not fully revealed for quite a while, and even when he finally shows up, he's a malevolent black predator with glistening skin, who stays mostly in the shadows, many times more fearsome than the green-skinned cookie monster who showed up in the various sequels to layeth the smacketh down on the candyasses of numerous alien invaders in ugly leotards."[3]"
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/21/2007 @ 11:08am
but of course Americans too would have seen this. and that might interfere with the war drums beating, beating.
Posted by JOHANNESROLF 09/21/2007 @ 10:27am
this is what i posted to MAASCH re: the same
Terrorists wanting to visit a terroist site in the US
Posted by JOHN MAASCH 09/21/2007 @ 09:52a
o.k. i'll bite. sunnis = 9/11. shia president dude. hates sunnis. maybe he just wants to pay his respects (ya, i know it's good pr).
some resistance movements that receive iranian aid use terrorism as a tactic (ex. Palestinian Islamic Jihad)
some resistance movements that receive american aid use terrorism as a tactic (ex. Jundallah sunnis in iran)
y'all helped iran after the earthquake in Bam, (Iran) in 2003. maybe he just wants to say thanks.
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 09/21/2007 @ 10:12am | ignore this person
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/21/2007 @ 11:09am
....I am ashamed of my city council which prevented, along with other politicos, the pres of Iran to make a commemorative visit to the WTC site. shortsighted in the extreme. here was an opportunity to reach the millions of muslims, in a way Karen Hughes never will. they would have seen a muslim paying his respects to the victims of Bin Laden.
Posted by JOHANNESROLF 09/21/2007 @ 10:27am
And somehow, you just know for a FACT, that AhmaDineInYourJeans won't use the `stage' you want your city to provide to the best known sponsor of global terrorism, to parot the line--a mantra among some Far Left loonies--that America `deserved' the 9/11 attack? What a grand stage it would be! Naive!!!
Posted by Happy at 09/21/2007 @ 11:16am
my friend has an original bauhaus chair. comfy.
I doubt that "original" very much, it would be worth in the millions. but OK, which one? the Wassily chair, designed by Marcel Breuer? the Barcelona chair?
http://www.eurofurniture.com/pages/marcel_breuer/73.php
Posted by johannesrolf at 09/21/2007 @ 11:17am
And we're lost out here in the stars.
check out abbey lincoln's version [en.wikipedia.org] version. sublime
Walter Huston owns this one, pounce.and he's Canadian born too.
Posted by johannesrolf at 09/21/2007 @ 11:19am
Posted by JOHANNESROLF 09/21/2007 @ 11:17am
your right. it's an american one. got carried away. oopsies!
wassily chair and a breuer designed lounger.
my friend is from an austrian family of furniture makers. used to work with them until i got too worried about my fingers (and the solvents make furniture makers go crazy)
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/21/2007 @ 11:34am
Walter Huston owns this one, pounce.and he's Canadian born too.
Posted by JOHANNESROLF 09/21/2007 @ 11:19am
i'd LOVE to hear that one. didn't know the dude sang. or that he was canadian.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/21/2007 @ 11:37am
he does a fine September song, as well
Posted by johannesrolf at 09/21/2007 @ 11:57am