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RedditSo much for the DC madam's client list not being newsworthy. Tell that to Senator David Vitter, the conservative Louisiana Republican and first major politico linked to Madam Deborah Jane Palfrey.
After the AP reported that his phone number appeared in Palfrey's phone records, Vitter apologized for "a very serious sin in my past for which I am, of course, completely responsible." He continued: "Several years ago, I asked for and received forgiveness from God and my wife in confession and marriage counseling." It was unclear if that was before or after a prominent Louisiana Republican accused Vitter of repeatedly shaking up with a prostitute in New Orleans' French Quarter.
Vitter, in yet another delicious slice of religious right hypocrisy, is one of the most outspoken social conservatives in the Senate. He co-sponsored legislation to federally finance abstinence-only education and called a ban on gay marriage the most important issue in the country today. He also told the New Orleans Times-Picayune that "infidelity, divorce, and deadbeat dads contribute to the breakdown of traditional families."
Marc Ambinder reminds us that Vitter was the first GOP Senator to endorse Rudy Giuliani and serves as one of the campaign's key ambassadors to social conservatives.
It gets better. Vitter first ran for Congress to fill the seat of Speaker of the House Bob Livingston, who resigned after his extramarital affairs became public. Asked in 2000 what she would do if her husband committed similar transgressions, Vitter's wife Wendy responded: "I'm a lot more like Lorena Bobbitt than Hillary. If he does something like that, I'm walking away with one thing, and it's not alimony, trust me."
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Posted by ZERO 07/10/2007 @ 1:20pm
But the irony is it is social conservatives that want to outlaw it! That's what's so funny. This wouldn't be a scandal if they would all loosen up a little.
Posted by BlueTexan at 07/10/2007 @ 1:32pm
Zero, this is really about Republican hypocrisy!
If they can't keep their zipper shut, then who are they to tell others to shut theirs?
Posted by Metteyya at 07/10/2007 @ 1:33pm
Yeah, seriously...is there really any more point in Republicans engaging in sexual politics or preaching on sexual morality?
Guys (addressed to them) just drop it. The Religious Right will understand and it will keep you from embaressing yourself with this crap.
Plus now you have to back-pedal on all that "Clinton should resign over his affair" stuff (of which VITTER was among the most vocal).
Leave morality to the preachers, Repub pols...it's a loser for you.
Posted by Mask at 07/10/2007 @ 2:10pm
Life imitating art. Remember early in the movie Birdcage, when Gene Hackman's partner who plays a right wing senator dies after free enterprising with a person of color? ``Hey chocolate, there's five bucks on the dresser for you,'' were his last words quoted on tv for one and all. Can we get Mrs. Vitter to be good on her word before national television? She'd get the women votes.
Posted by Sander Fred at 07/10/2007 @ 2:33pm
Leave morality to the preachers, Repub pols...it's a loser for you.
Posted by MASK
Actually, it's a big winner for them. All the ignorant, simpleton, inbred, fundamentalist schmucks that are not bright enough to think their way out of a paper bag fall for this crap every time. It's as old as the adoption of Christianity by Rome. And the religious right fruits are very much in control of the Repub party and critical in their primaries.
Posted by mtspence05 at 07/10/2007 @ 3:01pm
'Pugs just can't seem to keep their dicks in their pants. It's not hard. I worked 5 years on the road with groupies telling me they didn't care if they knew my name or vice versa - they just wanted to blow a rocker. Turned them all down, every time. It doesn't take much. Just be a man.
Posted by Dr Decibels at 07/10/2007 @ 3:02pm
And the religious right fruits are very much in control of the Repub party and critical in their primaries. ----Posted by MTSPENCE05 07/10/2007 @ 3:01pm
"fruits"???
Well, get Empty, not sure why you're so hard on them, after all you and they like to use the same terms. Heck, you and Ann Coulter both like the F-word!
Posted by Mask at 07/10/2007 @ 3:30pm
Why is Las Vegas THE most popular city for conventions? Has any man on this board been more than tempted? How many men on this board that travels on business, had never been propositioned?
An affair is a pretty serious breech of trust among spouse.....but a paid-for quickie? Open to debate, especially when it's clearly legal in places and much of the civilized world!
Posted by Happy at 07/10/2007 @ 3:40pm
Zero, I'm with ya, but look how times have changed.....A BJ ain't cheating anymore, thanks to Wild Bill Clinton, and the senator won't resign, just ask for God's (and his wife's) forgiveness..... 'course, he is from Louisiana, after all.......
Posted by davebarlett at 07/10/2007 @ 3:52pm
Vitter should have stuck with online porn.
Posted by Person at 07/10/2007 @ 3:56pm
Well, get Empty, not sure why you're so hard on them, after all you and they like to use the same terms. Heck, you and Ann Coulter both like the F-word!
Posted by MASK
When I said fruits I was not referring to you.
Posted by mtspence05 at 07/10/2007 @ 4:06pm
Ho Hum...Yawn
Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 07/10/2007 @ 4:10pm
Laughing at hypocrites is always good sport, but it's shooting fish in a barrel with politicians. Those guys, all of them, will say anything to anyone to get votes. It's as old as the hills. Just think of the laughs we get from all the green bigots, telling us to live with nothing while they bask in luxury (e.g. Al Gore). It's crazy and funny.
Posted by Person at 07/10/2007 @ 4:14pm
When I said fruits I was not referring to you.
Posted by MTSPENCE05 07/10/2007 @ 4:06pm
Well, frankly, Empty, I don't care WHO you were referring to....any more than if you were saying "coloreds" and I wasn't African-American. Or any less than when the horsey-faced Ann Coulter did it.
Your "homophobic progressive" rep is pretty clear-
BLOG | Posted 05/24/2007 @ 11:36am Comments for "Blogging for Business" by Ari Berman
But this constant barrage of "little fruit" or other gay allusions or epithets as insults or put-downs....is rather strange from someone who purportedly is a "progressive"?!?!? Posted by MASK
Says you. I'm not all that concerned with the speech police.
And fruit is not something I would call a gay man. Fruit, faggot, butt pirate, sucker of cocks--these are epiteths for people like you.----Posted by MTSPENCE05 05/25/2007 @ 11:16am
"I don't know if [former U.S. President Bill Clinton is] gay. But [former U.S. Vice President] Al Gore - total fag."---Ann Coulter
"I was going to have a few comments on the other Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards, but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the word "faggot", so I -- so kind of an impasse, can't really talk about Edwards."---Ann Coulter--Speech at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference, Washington, DC, March 2, 2007
Posted by Mask at 07/10/2007 @ 4:24pm
Posted by MASK
It's interesting how you want to attack me over the words used to describe punks like you. That's all you can do, huh? You pretend to be this unbiased, cynical observer, but you have an agenda just like all the rest, maybe even more than all the others. You save stuff like the above.
I don't know what rarified air you grew up in, bitch boy, but down here on the deck where the vast majority of us live, we're not nearly so sensitive. Words are nothing more than that. You want to try and smear me with comparisons to Ann Coulter? Go right ahead; it'll fool the fools, but anybody with an IQ above 100 and an objective eye can recognize your chickenshit little game.
Posted by mtspence05 at 07/10/2007 @ 4:34pm
The speech police man. And this coming from the bitch that more or less said screw the working class. Typical. All nice, nice, fake when it comes to talking. Talking is nothing more than words, and any adult knows what words are worth.
Posted by mtspence05 at 07/10/2007 @ 4:37pm
Posted by MTSPENCE05 07/10/2007 @ 4:34pm
Well, gee, Empty...why don't you just call me a "n***er" or a "wetback" or a "Chink", since it isn't "really" about bigotry, just "words used to describe punks"?
Oh and can I send an e-mail to Ann Coulter and tell her that all the "Texas working-class progressives" say that it was "no harm, no foul" her calling Edwards and Gore fags?
Posted by Mask at 07/10/2007 @ 4:45pm
And this coming from the bitch that more or less said screw the working class.
Posted by mtspence05 at 07/10/2007 @ 4:50pm
And, once again, using some words doesn't make you something, anymore than not using some words makes you something you're not. I'm not out to fool anybody, so I don't have to dress whatever it is I have to say up in misleading prose. You, on the other hand, are attempting to influence people; you're just not man enough to be above board with what you're trying to do. A fraud, a phoney.
Posted by mtspence05 at 07/10/2007 @ 4:59pm
MT,
Mask is not the only one who has noticed your repeated use of homophobic put-downs. And frankly, I'm not too happy about your using the word "bitch." And I don't care if it's Mask, Mr. Cynical Centrist, or one of the right-wingers or a fellow liberal or left-winger who was calling you out for this.
You and Dr. Decibels should realize that it is not just a matter of others here acting like "speech police" or trying to be your mother or your teacher, as Johannes was accused the other day. We are just offended by the use of homophobic, sexist or racist remarks as well as so-called foul language. Not using such language should just be a matter of common courtesy and self-control. Not to say one never slips up (e.g., my use of "scum" a few minutes ago).
In socialist solidarity,
cka2nd
Posted by cka2nd at 07/10/2007 @ 5:06pm
Damn.
I normally just read the posts, but... I think that Zorro was actually serious for a second.
Say it ain't so! Less snark, and more political correctness from the masked (wo)man? What's next, Georgie Anne Geyer breaking with the Administration on the war/occupation?
Oh, that's right. Georgie Anne did.
Posted by Rapaport at 07/10/2007 @ 5:16pm
you know, i once had a friend who was a pathological liar. this was, in fact, just the visible manifestation of much deeper issues, but in that his mendacity had cost his "friends" thousands of dollars and involved them in some serious messes over the years, and in that the pathological liar appeared to be cracking up himself, we, his friends, with the help of his family, finally sat him down and let im know that...we all knew...
even when presented with incontravertable evidence that the jig was up, instead of admitting to his mendacity, he proceeded to make new lies to justify and rescue the old ones.
this is the mentality of oh so many on the right wing, always has been. those who most viciously condemn others so often condemn that which they see in themselves...at some level of conciousness, at last.
like me, a thoroughly wicked oppositional defiant reprobate who sees his own shortcomings in others. thank dog i'm at least oppositionally defiant and honest in my mendacity, eh? and largely powerless. har har har!
that which is broken is unbreakable.
Posted by ibbleblibble at 07/10/2007 @ 5:36pm
Has any man on this board been more than tempted? How many men on this board that travels on business, had never been propositioned
"Happy"
All the time. Never gave in because I have CHARACTER.... something sorely lacking amongst Repugs. And I got better propositions then you could DREAM of. So many lovely willing young ladies. But I was married.
Posted by Dr Decibels at 07/10/2007 @ 5:46pm
I also object to bigoted language, because I believe words are worth very much. They have the power to change minds, just as they have the power to hurt.
It's not a matter of oversensitivity or being a word cop, or none of us would ever feel the need to defend ourselves from any accusation, however small it may be: "Oh, well. It's only words. I have a high self-esteem, so negatives can't hurt me." Words cannot always be boiled down into their denotative sense, they have emotional and social meanings attached to them, positive, negative or neutral. Thinking anything else is not only short-sighted, it's delusional.
If we accept the premise that words mean nothing, how can we ever expect ourselves to change, or expect to change the world? We'd be a society of narcissistic, egomaniacal automotons, incapable of ever receiving criticism for behavior that disrupts the liberty of others (at the very least) or instruction or anything other than hero worship.
ANTILIBERAL has espoused this philosophy on The Nation's message boards before, in reference to Ann Coulter's calling John Edwards a faggot. It is ANTI's position that "we" (liberals) shouldn't mind being called faggots, for we "love them" and should want to be called faggots. Our dismay is our own low self-esteem.
Yet, the conciet is in the pudding: faggot, and its derivitives, has a negative meaning within the context of our culture; we should be happy that we're being compared to the dregs of our social fabric (this is not my view of homosexuals at all, just an accurate portrayal of the word). This makes no sense, and shouldn't, even to the most hardened of conservatives: substitute the word adulterer for faggot, and ask if anybody enjoys having a negative label attached to them. Ask the Senator from Louisiana. Why else would he apologize and ask for forgiveness?
Ask anybody with non-white skin how they feel about being called a slur for their nationality.
Ask a white person how they'd feel about being called "white trash."
Some of these people might shrug it off, but most would be offended. You might be offended for them, as some on this board are. Unless offense is your intent, I'd suggest to some of the users of the "comments" portions of the articles on this website that they just simply find another way to express their thoughts.
That just my opinion.
WJ
Posted by WillJeff at 07/10/2007 @ 5:53pm
The speech police man.
Posted by MTSPENCE05 07/10/2007 @ 4:37pm
That would be Frank...
FRIES ARE UP!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by john maasch at 07/10/2007 @ 5:55pm
" And I got better propositions then you could DREAM of. So many lovely willing young ladies. But I was married.
Posted by DR DECIBELS 07/10/2007 @ 5:46pm
Would I know your band? I have had some friends who are national rockers..and met a few more...
Posted by john maasch at 07/10/2007 @ 5:57pm
*That's
Posted by WillJeff at 07/10/2007 @ 5:57pm
Posted by WILLJEFF
"Unless offense is your intent..."
It was exactly my intent. I wanted to offend the offensive little pile of dung.
Posted by mtspence05 at 07/10/2007 @ 5:58pm
Posted by JOHN MAASCH
Yeah, you're a real rock and roll guy, aren't you? You're the antithesis of what rock stands for.
Posted by mtspence05 at 07/10/2007 @ 5:59pm
Okay, then.
Posted by WillJeff at 07/10/2007 @ 6:01pm
Posted by JOHN MAASCH
Yeah, you're a real rock and roll guy, aren't you? You're the antithesis of what rock stands for.
Posted by MTSPENCE05 07/10/2007 @ 5:59pm
And you are the antithesis of succeess...in any field...except loser....
WHERE ARE MY FRIES, BITCH?
Posted by john maasch at 07/10/2007 @ 6:06pm
Posted by JOHN MAASCH
And get your own fries, traveling salesman. How old are you, old man? And still living out of a suit case. That's rough. Old, bald, traipsing around the country peddling your Third World wares? Doesn't sound too glamorous to me. I bet your wife enjoys it, though.
Posted by mtspence05 at 07/10/2007 @ 6:09pm
Hold on a minute, old man. I'm not finished rubbing your fries across my scrotum. Here you go. Bon appetite.
Posted by mtspence05 at 07/10/2007 @ 6:10pm
Loser you say? Well, you might have a point; afterall, you are thoroughly qualified on the subject. Oh well, at least I'm not old and bald. It could be so much worse (i.e. loser, old, and bald).
Posted by mtspence05 at 07/10/2007 @ 6:14pm
I have a few comments:
1. I am quite sure that ALL the presidents of other nations in the world were laughing hilariously when Clinton was brought up for impeachment -- over getting some 'head' in the white house. I doubt there's a single president who has ever served in the white house who did not have 'something on the side'. Funny thing is, that Newt Gingrich, the one who was pushing so hard for Clinton's impeachment later turned out to have been involved in an affair. This just reinforces the fact that hypocricy is rampant in our society, especially politics. Look at Gulliani (a Catholic at that) who was involved in an affair. Look at Foley -- a Republican congressman, spending tax payer dollars ( time we were paying him for) soliciting minor boys. Frankly, I would not be at all surprised if there were more homosexuals (deeply closeted) in the Republican party than in the Democratic party. Point of fact, when I was in DC (during the Clinto years), there was a homosexual population existent; however, as funny as it seems, when the Republicans took over, it seems that all of a sudden there occured an explosion in the homosexual population of D.C.
2. I am not religious, but have studied the bible. Jesus once said "Let he with no sin, be the first to cast a stone". Too many people are quick to point the finger at the 'other man' .. quick to find fault in others yet never taking the time to examine their own actions, beliefs and motives. Is it fear of realizing that the monster you see in others is lurking within (at an even greater proportion)?
Integrity and honesty .. those are the keywords to succesful living. Unfortunately, in this society, it is those who swindle, deceive and undermine others who seem to get ahead. Regardless, in the long run, the deception eventually catches up.. Look at Cheney, a dying man (with a pacemaker in his chest), yet he is obsessed with looting as much money from the world as possible? I doubt he has more than 10 years left. Will it be worth it, when on his deathbed he recounts all the lives lost for the billions he will no longer enjoy?
Posted by mansa at 07/10/2007 @ 6:14pm
Posted by WILLJEFF 07/10/2007 @ 5:53pm
you know, you are right and wrong at the same time...
right - ah, the conflict avoiding sweet hypocrisy of civility and manners. as a lifelong resident of the south, believe me, i have experienced the good, bad, and ugly of such. on the one hand us vain, proud, lustful, rage-prone, lazy, grubbing, piggish, shaved apes, deprived of hypocritical manners, might well devolve into a seething mass of murderous beasts.
so when i see my beloved enemies passing by in the street i hail them as friends and wish them well. makes life easier and i got things to do.
some people do have thin skins and even if their exteriors are callused and hardened, a few festering sores and scabs too vigorously picked at can unleash demons best kept chained in the basement dungeon.
wrong - the power of these ugly words is largely dependent on their proscription. most folks are way too self graspingly ignorant to truly endure free speech an thought, even (often especially) if they attach themselves too passionatly to doctrines of fairness, correct thought, speech, and action, and...freedom (freedom and correct-thought-speech-action often being at odds to each other).
i detest "racism" and all such immoral vehicles of intolerance...including rampant political correctness, but sometimes a little hypocrisy and a smile make the day a lot more pleasant...
that said, the surest way to goad this wicked oppositional defiant into dropping a big enny (when discussing the big enny) is to expect me to abide by your (not you specifically) arrogantly humble, overly imputed, self definitions...
eff that! lol
Posted by ibbleblibble at 07/10/2007 @ 6:17pm
The story line about Vitter doing this while trying to cram his religious dogma down other peoples' throats frosts me. The fact of the matter is that a good portion of our leaders in Washington are the scum of the earth. These people will say whatever they need to in order to be elected. They'll schmooz people with big money for campaign donations in exchange for favors once in office and basically we, the people, are left out in the cold. My guess is that there are more people on the list than Vitter, and my next guess would be that there are people from both sides of the isle as well. I think it's quite odd that to be a soldier, you have to pass a pychological and physical exam and go through and pass a background check for an ordinary clearance, but to be a governor, senator, vice president or president, you could be the biggest damn nutcase in history and still get the job and clearances. For example, our president has the highest attainable security clearance and yet he has a DUI on his record. Now, your average Joe in the military can't even do certain low level jobs if he has a blemish like that on his record and he can forget getting a secret clearance. So, because some jackass gets people with money to back him, he ends up running the country into the ground. We deserve better representation on both sides of the isle. What I see is a bunch of people afraid to do anything to rock the boat in D.C., so they play the Washington game. This means that they talk a lot about what should be done, but when push comes to shove, they go along with the status quo and play by the inner circle rules until they get to be in the inner circle. By then, they've been pretty much bought off and are owned outright. It would be a breath of fresh air to actually have some leaders who really had the interests of the American people in mind and not the interests of big business in mind. But, I'd say that this country will never see that happen again if it ever did.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 07/10/2007 @ 6:27pm
" Oh well, at least I'm not old and bald. It could be so much worse (i.e. loser, old, and bald)."
Sure it can and get ready for you are on the glide path.....how about young,unemployable,clueless that you are already out of it?(its coming to you)
Or Young and already passed over promotion..by a chimp? or a card swipe machine?
or, Old,bald, alone, relying on govt check for health and retirement cause you couldn't and can't do anything...
Or young, totally unqualified for anything without a union to carry your ass to protect you from being fired as worthless..
I could go on and on...and all of them are you...always you....
You need balls to risk something...even fries...so what ever you are rubbing fries over..you might want to take a second look...because I don't think scrotum is what is is called....(think Kittys)..
I may be old, and bald, but a loser? You are cerainly qualified there, but I suspect I am not, at least in my family and in our life style..but there are many ways too lose..I know you know that....you have it down to a science.....as for my wife...I know which home she is in(ours)....where is yours?(in yours even when you are in town? I think not) Wife and home Mr. young, hairy successful man?...ah hah....thought so... but ask a friend to show you what a hundred dollar bill looks like...Ben is old and bald...and still does better than you on every level, especially maturity...
I may be wrong...you may not see old and bald days...
More mustard clown...quick!!!
Posted by john maasch at 07/10/2007 @ 6:51pm
This is too much fun...gotta go...so easy..
Posted by john maasch at 07/10/2007 @ 6:52pm
"I worked 5 years on the road with groupies telling me they didn't care if they knew my name or vice versa - they just wanted to blow a rocker. Turned them all down, every time. It doesn't take much. Just be a man."
Bless you, dude.
I worked as a roadie for 2 months in the summer of '78 - my neighbor grew up to be the band's drummer - and quickly learned these 5 magic words... "Yeasss, I'm with the band."
What's your name? Little girl...
13 years later as I pledged my troth to my true beloved I said, "Baby I will NEVER be unfaithful to you because everything I was ever gonna do, I've already done."
In the ensuing years we moved to her hometown - DC - and I went to work at an organization that is heavily identified with the religious left. On several occasions during my tenure, I had the opportunity to attend CPAC.
After all the pious posturing on the various panels was over for the evening the scene reminded me of a show date except that in this venue the folks throwing themselves at the stars and their peripherals (posse or entourage, if you will) wore little black dresses and button-down shirts.
The hypocrisy is that the latter will condemn the former and do their best to dictate how the rest of us live.
Posted by nyknicks12 at 07/10/2007 @ 6:56pm
Posted by JOHN MAASCH 07/10/2007 @ 5:57pm
travelled with locals, then I got set up as house sound for a number of local clubs, worked with Metallica, Poison, Anthrax, for metal, lot's of country western singer/song writers (Townes Van Zandt, Guy Clarke) blues players, some jazz... Loved the C&W and blues guys.
Got LOTS of propositions, but hey, made a promise to my wife you know?
Posted by Dr Decibels at 07/10/2007 @ 6:57pm
Got LOTS of propositions, but hey, made a promise to my wife you know?
Posted by DR DECIBELS 07/10/2007 @ 6:57pm
Very cool resume...and I made the same promise to my wife...traveling on the road, even with jewelry, pretty women in the stores(for obvious reasons), prospect of high income....I kept my vows clean...saw many others did not, and they are alone..sounds like you are a lean guy, too...good.
Posted by john maasch at 07/10/2007 @ 7:01pm
DR.
Although , I do think of the WHITE SNAKE video every now and then...must have been the car in it....:)
Posted by john maasch at 07/10/2007 @ 7:02pm
Vitter is scum. A lowlife who should resign immediately. ANY man or woman who chooses to betray those closest to them, cannot be trusted by the rest of society and should not hold office. This is true for Vitter, Bill Clinton, Gavin " San Fransico Values" Newsome, Antonio Villagorosa, etc. All of the above named men are scum. Actually they aren't men at all. They're weak, immoral, cowards!!!! I say this as a conservative and I'll condemn any conservative whoo chooses to behave like a liberal, as Vitter has. When a conservative cheats on his wife/breaks up marriages, it's called hypocrisy. When a liberal does the same, It's " just sex" ! Pathetic!!!!!!
Posted by barry25 at 07/10/2007 @ 7:07pm
The issue here is hypocrisy plain and simple. The religious right cannot live their own standards. Of course they then concoct their own formula for forgiveness for their "transgressions". That is what it is, but should that not exclude one from legislation and enforcement? What do we call it when one does what they themselves condemn? This entire system exist in a quagmire of hypocrisy! Do as I say, not as I do? Keep in mind that these very people are the ones that choose to legislate what you can and cannot do. They are also willing to enforce their legislation under penalty of law; just not upon themselves. "A house divided against itself cannot stand".
Posted by Say It at 07/10/2007 @ 7:18pm
Posted by BARRY25 07/10/2007 @ 7:07pm
hey! bar! how's wind surfing off catalina going?
i always knew you were a good guy.
but that list of exposed and confirmed right wing hypocrites is growing day by day. funny when you see someone hanged high with their own rope, eh? on the scaffolding they had erected? i find it funny, at least.
too bad so manny had to suffer from their hypocrisy and all the bullshit and obfuscating that resulted, but such is the nature of this sad, bloody old world. lol...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 07/10/2007 @ 7:23pm
Actually hypocrisy...Right or Left...was the point of my little tete-a-tete with Empty Spence.
Sure it's fun to mock the hypocrisy of sexual Puritans like Vitter, who demanded Clinton's resignation for EXACTLY the kind of thing that he now rationalizes away with "I've asked forgiveness and now want to ...say it with me...Move On".
But let's not forget that hypocrisy is not the sole province of the Right...as Empty demonstrates.
Plenty of homophobic "progressives" ...plenty of misogynistic ones too (like young WILL...not WILLJEFF, but Carpenter WILL)....even a few racist liberals who cloak their racism in an attitude that minorities are incapable of success without THEIR White Man's Burden help.
So as another carpenter (much more stable than WILL) once said...watch out for the beams in your own eye, before you get too caught up the splinters in the other guy's.
Empty Spence won't. No doubt he railed against Coulter for calling Edwards a "faggot"....then turned around a day later and called some right-winger (or anybody he disliked for that matter)...the same thing and never even noticed he had contradicted himself.
Posted by Mask at 07/10/2007 @ 7:29pm
IBBLE -
I'm not quite sure I fully understand your argument, nor do I think you quite got the entirity of mine. My (lengthy?) point was that words are not independent of social context, and therefore cannot totally be their literal definitions. The meaning of the word "bastard" is a child born to unwed parents. However, if someone calls another person a bastard, it usually isn't meant as a term of endearment. Ergo, somebody who is called a faggot has every right to be angry, regardless of one's own personal feelings toward homosexuals, as the word's social meaning is negative, by and large. Ignorance plays no part, unless you are utterly oblivious to a word's connotation. My suggestion is to choose your words carefully, not out of some sense of political correctness or hypersensitivity for others, but because you may be misunderstood (see the above argument and discussion of the word "fruit," where somebody took it to mean gay when it could have been intended as goofy, simple-minded, etc.).
I apologize if I sound WAY too interested in something so simple, but I'm very interested in the subject, and have the diploma as proof.
Posted by WillJeff at 07/10/2007 @ 7:40pm
Posted by MASK 07/10/2007 @ 7:29pm
you ever go crap around at dailykos? its pretty funny. they're all over, finding them aint the hard part. say something that contradicts the high gospel of political correctspeak and proper, populist leftyism, and they find you...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 07/10/2007 @ 7:44pm
The line on MSM is he stood up like a man and said he did it and didn't go into rehab, and we learned with Clinton to not get into the private lives of politicians, and ha ha ha, at least the interns are safe now. No mention of the many, many ironies. Some Flynt bashing. All I ask is he go under oath to answer questions about exact sexual acts he committed. I think that is the standard established by Republican policing of civic virtue and the welfare of the Republic. I am sure the good Vitter will be glad to comply and to fully detail everything he has done, with which women, and how often. With luck, Starr could be persuaded to write the novel.
Posted by MereMortal at 07/10/2007 @ 7:46pm
The line on MSM is he stood up like a man and said he did it and didn't go into rehab, and we learned with Clinton to not get into the private lives of politicians, and ha ha ha, at least the interns are safe now. No mention of the many, many ironies. Some Flynt bashing. All I ask is he go under oath to answer questions about exact sexual acts he committed. I think that is the standard established by Republican policing of civic virtue and the welfare of the Republic. I am sure the good Vitter will be glad to comply and to fully detail everything he has done, with which women, and how often. With luck, Starr could be persuaded to write the novel, or the Starr Report: the Sequel.
Posted by MereMortal at 07/10/2007 @ 7:48pm
this is the sickness known as liberalism! When one conservative is proven to be a hypocrite, the left steroetypes all conservatives or all of those on the religous right as not being able to " live their own standars"! That's absurd, and stereotyping goes against liberal rules of political correctness. The vast majority of the religous right condemns Vitter's actions, and want him removed, myself included. The difference between the " religous right" and " the nutjob/immoral left " is that the right will condemn their own and hold their own to account when they act like liberals ( see: Vitter ) while the left will re-elect adulterous, hooker-chasing crackheads ( marion barry ), defend adultery ( bill clinton, Villagotrosa, Gavin Newsome, ) and defend pedophiles ( ACLU defense of Nambla ). All of you leftist nuts are truly sick, immoral people. How in the world can any of you morons think that a man who will constantly and consistently betray his wife and family can be trusted to hold public office and power over your lives???? Yet you will allow immoral, untrustworthy people to rule over you as long as there's a " D " next to his name ( see: Bill Clinton ) You idiots are so easily fooled by supposed "charasmatic" scum like Bill Clinton and Gavin Newsome who know just what to say and how to say it to get them elected. Yet both of these twerps cannot even respect that sanctity of marraige. Newsome destroyed his campaign manager's marraige and life, and nothing is even said about it. it's not news. Hopefully, his campaign manager will do the right thing and hold Newsome to account, personally! Any man who does what Newsome did wouldn't get an ounce of sympathy from me even if he were lying on the ground taking his last breath, with the victim of his narcissistic actions standing over him with weapon in hand. But to a liberal, what Newsome did was no big deal. Actually, i expect newsome to win by an even larger margin during his next election due to this example of his " San francisco values "! many liberals love the destruction of families/marraige, and this is why Newsome will be gaining some votes. Liberal scum, i have no sympathy for what will happen to you when the shit hits the fan here at home, but it's comin'!!!!
Posted by barry25 at 07/10/2007 @ 7:52pm
"liberal rules of political correctness"
Posted by BARRY25 07/10/2007 @ 7:52pm
That itself is the kind of thing you warned against in your previous sentence.
Posted by WillJeff at 07/10/2007 @ 7:54pm
Posted by WILLJEFF 07/10/2007 @ 7:40pm
oh don't worry. i agreed with your points. i'm just semi-comprehensible at best and have an evil perverse streak a mile wide. i'm a true son of the south...lol.
Posted by ibbleblibble at 07/10/2007 @ 7:57pm
I understand now. I'll remember that for next time.
Posted by WillJeff at 07/10/2007 @ 7:58pm
Posted by BARRY25 07/10/2007 @ 7:52pm |
like i said, i knew you were a good guy all along. just a little perspective problem, i guess.
it aint just vitter, though...
i just wonder how many "conservatives" who are currently holding vitters to account will be soon held to account by their brethren themselves.
did vitters hold his catamite collegue (foley) to account? he sure held willy to account.
Posted by ibbleblibble at 07/10/2007 @ 8:05pm
vitter, vetters, villers, villian...whatever. another hypocrite exposed. yay!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 07/10/2007 @ 8:07pm
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 07/10/2007 @ 7:44pm
IBBLE, I don't think pointing out Empty's use of homophobic slurs is being PC. He's using the same terms that Coulter uses and trying to rationalize it away as "I'm not concerned about the 'speech police'".
So...does that let Coulter off the hook?...oddly Empty Spence didn't...at one time, that is-
BLOG | Posted 03/03/2007 @ 3:18pm Faggot Feud Richard Kim
"I think that the term "faggot" is inappropriate for homosexual behavior. Pervert is at least more accurate and removes using slang."--- Posted by LVLIBERTY1
"Many people, after viewing your sick, logic twisting posts, would rightly, fairly label you a pervert."---Posted by MTSPENCE05 03/03/2007 @ 5:29pm
Posted by Mask at 07/10/2007 @ 8:09pm
I do hope that Madam Palfrey has put the biggest hypocrites at the very top of her list. That should ensure that most of them are Republicans. I bet that many of the coeds in her service are trying to pay off their tuition loans.
Posted by CyberCitizen at 07/10/2007 @ 8:17pm
Posted by MASK 07/10/2007 @ 8:09pm
lol...he's a good guy...
hey mask, there's this rumor going around here that yer a chic...
if you are, let me here and now proclaim my love for you.
if not, sorry dude...didn't mean to go there...lol
but hey! you live in connecticut or somewhere where they got that gay marriage stuff going, dont you? if you ever lose your family but keep your job, consider inviting me to come up and get married. nothing gay, underestand, i just know you pilots get GREAT benefits and all...and it could be a great angle with the hot chics too, you know, the "convert the gay guy" thing...
sounds like an owen wilson movie..."the gay marriage legitimacy crashers"...
and i'm talking HOT chics, mask...SIZZLIN!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 07/10/2007 @ 8:24pm
Posted by BARRY25 07/10/2007 @ 7:07pm
I am going to have to go with Barry on this one.
Posted by john maasch at 07/10/2007 @ 10:09pm
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 07/10/2007 @ 8:24pm
Sorry, dude...I'm a dude. That "Mask is a woman" thing is part of WILL's unresolved sexual issues.
I can't figure out if he thinks I'm female because he hates me...or has the hots for me. The latter makes sense, he was pretty thick with the "Libby anal rape" jokes before last week.
I think he needs to come out...maybe he and Empty can start a support group...or date.
heheh
Posted by Mask at 07/10/2007 @ 10:13pm
Posted by MASK 07/10/2007 @ 10:13pm
lol - he's a great guy.
i need to write that idea up as a screenplay, though - "Dude, Let's Get Married!" heehee...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 07/10/2007 @ 10:38pm
"This is the sickness known as liberalism.." Barry25 You distill so much venom and hatred in your speech that I can only ask myself why do you participate in a liberal forum if you already hate all of us liberals? Is it not the 1st Commandment "to love thy neighbor as yourself.." We liberals accept every person, even conservatives if they don't find absurd wars and don't take from the poor. But people who pretend to be something and are not...well, we just laugh. And we laugh simply because we are sympathetic with human frailties. The very repoopooblican leader who wanted to impeach and hang Clinton was having an affair at the very moment.. (Newt)..or the guy who was on somekind of child committee and was a pedophile...With very few and dignified exceptions, the vast majority of leaders of your party just love money, not their neighbors, less God.
Posted by Frank42 at 07/11/2007 @ 12:22am
Posted by MARYBRETBRAD 07/11/2007 @ 01:43am
It's just NOT FAIR that you have so much time to edumycate some dumbo Liberals who insist on God-less Darwinism but ani't willing to accept its outcome! There's a word for that....mmmmmm...Hypocrites!
Posted by Happy at 07/11/2007 @ 11:53am
In response to Marybretbrad ---
1. I agree, Carter probably did not have something on the side. But I think that underscores my point -- Carter was a man of integrity; that integrity caused him to lose his re-election. That integrity also caused him to be labelled 'anti-semite' recently. Remember, Carter was the one who brough about the Camp David accords; yet he is labelled anti-semite.
2. I fully agree with your assessment that Children are the keys to a succesful society sustaining itself. I have a view that I am sure many would consider insane -- simply, before any person is allowed to have children, they must meet two conditions: (a) They must be in a married relationship (where marriage is defined as a union between man and woman); (b) They must meet basic psychological fitness requirements -- even if someone is rich and powerful, I honestly believe that it takes both a man and a woman to succesfully raise a child. I also believe that in this society, there are currently too many 'children', parenting children -- i.e a lot of the parents themselves have the psychological profile of a child.
3. When I talk of people who 'cheat and decive' succeeding, I have been in senior (very senior) positions in corporate america. I left corporate america because I tired of the politicking -- it is a situation wherein it is not the 'best and most qualified' that ascend (in the majority of cases), but rather those who know how to schmooze. Those who toe the line. Problem is, toeing the line is not always in the best interests of the company. For a company to grow and succeed, it needs originality, ingeneuity -- this comes from fresh perspectives -- not from 'pleasing the boss'. Additionally ( and this is what made me leave) -- the schmoozers (who tend to be very lazy) will seeth with envy and try to oust anyone whom they see as hard-working, dedicated and committed to actually getting something accomplished.
True, being rich and powerful can be a valuable asset as a starting point, however, I came from poverty, but had the determination and grit to rise to the top -- I was pivotal in the building of the internet, I obtained 2 grad degrees in Electrical Engineering and in Economics, I rose to very senior levels in corporate america, and am now in the process of launching my own company. I went to school with some VERY wealthy kids, yet these kids who had this 'head start' have accomplished nowehere near what I have.
4. Lastly, on Cheney -- there are things a president can do to spur the economy, and when viewed from that persepctive, it becomes evident. However, some things are done for other (nefarious) objectives. Personally I agree with tax cuts -- not because I was in a high tax bracket, but because I feel taxes should be imposed on consumptive activities as opposed to productive undertakings. Hence if I invest $100,000 in a company, I am being productive -- this investment will eventually create opportunity for others. If I instead buy a $100,000 car, I am not being productive -- this car will in no way enhance the economy. I propose the following simple tax code -- a flat 10% income tax (no loopholes) regardless of income level, a 15% consumption tax on all non-essential goods (i.e food, energy, etc); a 20% luxury tax on expensive items (such as cars over $50,000; expensive clothing, jewelry, etc); elimination of property taxes; a 10% tax on small business incomes (those earning less than $5M a year); a 15% tax on larger businesses (with deducations -- maximum effective bringing it down to 10% -- for businesses who do the majority of their production within the borders of the US). I also propose that government focus its monies on functioning as a large VC Fund -- taking 40% of tax revenues and investing it in small business start-ups -- and there are a variety of ways in which this could be done -- I also propose that all monies raised (by candidates running for office) - which is not used during the campaign, be refunded to the treasury
Cheney sought Iraq because he wanted the oil (I am quite sure you will disagree with me -- but you have a right to your opinion). Cheney's still holds interests in Haliburton -- Haliburton won major "no-bid" contracts for billions of dollars of work in Iraq -- Cheney had prior associations with major energy companies and held 'secret meetings with these companies' -- shortly thereafter, California was rocked by an energy crisis. If Cheney did no wrong, why is he not up-front with Congress when they request related information?
Anyway, I may have veered to far off topic -- to all reading, forgive me for that; I only sought to respond to Marybretbrad.
Posted by mansa at 07/12/2007 @ 5:43pm
Dames and Gents, In times unprecedented and tinged with despair, it is appropriate to reflect on the founding of our great nation. It was not with George Washington, but with Brutus, and not the one who killed Caeser. There was another who rebelled against the tyrant monarchy of Rome, The Tarquins. He wrote the Roman Constitution that would stand for 500 years. His sons sided with the monarchy. The monarchy lost. So to punish his sons and found a perfect union, he immolated his own sons. Machiavelli speaks fluently and voluminoulsy and voiciferously on this subject, in ‘The Discourses', and yet is proved wrong on several counts by the miracle of America. He says that a nation founded in servitude, as America was a colony, will never win its freedom. He also says that a nation founded on fertile soil that is easily defended, will in time loose all of its freedoms because it will become, eventually, inevitably, sloth and sated, and will forget to protect them. As regards 'The DC Madam', I am personally involved. You can view my involvement at http://www.maytheygetwhattheydeserve.com/KAT.html Sometimes a mouse will lead you to a kat, and a kat can lead you to a rat and a rat, ironically, can lead you to the truth. And the truth, as they say, and as it is written, will set you free. May all those who sincerely and patiently wait for freedom be free and may all those who desire to steal those freedoms find instead the dire consequences that accompany contempt for a great man like Brutus. As regards Machiavelli, eram sapiens tamen nefas And again, vox vocis publicus est vox vocis deus May The Republic stand forever and bring the Glory of The World, with Dignity, into Its Treasury. Purple
Posted by Lord Purple at 07/15/2007 @ 12:03am