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Bush's nominee for surgeon general, Dr. James Holsinger, has come under fire this week for his anti-gay politics (first documented by Bible Belt Blogger Frank Lockwood). By day Holsinger teaches health sciences at the University of Kentucky where he was chancellor of the Chandler Medical Center. By night, however, the good doctor is a bible-thumping Reverend with a degree in biblical studies from Asbury Theological Seminary and a seeming fascination of antipathy towards homosexuals.
Holsinger founded the Hope Springs Community Church, a "recovery ministry" that caters to alcoholics, drug addicts, sex addicts and those seeking to "walk out of that [homosexual] lifestyle," according to its pastor Rev. David Calhoun. When not busy endorsing ex-gay conversion therapy, Holsinger served on the highest court of the United Methodist Church where he voted to remove a lesbian pastor from her position.
And today, the Human Rights Campaign released a document Holsinger authored in 1991 as a member of the United Methodist Church's Committee to Study Homosexuality. Titled Pathophysiology of Male Homosexuality, Holsinger's religious tract-cum-scientific paper is a fascinating window into the perverse imagination of homophobia. In essence, Holsinger argues that male-female "reproductive systems are fully complementary" because "anatomically the vagina is designed to receive the penis." The remainder of his paper is a graphic account of the "delicate" rectum which is "incapable" of "protection" if "objects that are large, sharp, or pointed are inserted" into it. From there Holsinger continues to discuss what he imagines are the pains (and pleasures?) of anal sex, from "fist fornication" and "sphincter injuries" to "lacerations," "perforations" and "deaths seen in connection with anal eroticism."
Sharp objects! Deaths seen in connection with anal eroticism! Gadzooks! Now, I've been around the block one or ten times, and I don't know any gay men who have put scissors up their ass, much less died from it. Of course, the barely mentioned but palpably anxious context in which Holsinger connects "death" with "anal eroticism" is the AIDS epidemic. And it should come as no surprise that his paper was part of a larger, pseudo-medical, moral discourse in which gay men's mode of sex (and by extension gay men) were blamed for AIDS - the death we deserved, the sexual suicide we courted.
The flip side of Dr. Holsinger's lurid speculation is the dangerous presumption that because heterosexual sex is "natural," it is safe -- safe from HIV, other sexually transmitted diseases and the trauma and injury that Holsinger seems so feverishly eager to attribute to gay anal sex. We now know, tragically and beyond any possible doubt, that heterosexual sex is not safe unless one practices it as such. And no amount of wishing and praying by our next Surgeon General on the "complementarity of the human sexes" will make it so.
A few years after Dr. Holsinger wrote his little brief against male-male anal sex, then Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders suggested, at a UN Conference on AIDS, that masturbation might be taught to young people as a mode of reducing sexual risk. On this point she was absolutely correct, but for even daring to mention the M-word, she was lampooned by the Christian right and eventually asked to resign by a cowardly Bill Clinton who, in retrospect, might have paid more attention to Dr. Elders and spent less time inserting foreign objects into inappropriate places.
But no matter. The doctor who gave sound, clinical medical advice was fired, while the doctor who engaged in wild, graphic and unsubstantiated fantasies about gay sex will most likely assume the helm as "America's chief health educator." And you wonder why we have a health care crisis in this country.
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he needs to be confirmed, does he not?
Posted by johannesrolf at 06/06/2007 @ 6:05pm
Perhaps he can start preaching to Jeff Gannon and Ted Haggard . . .
Posted by trabaris at 06/06/2007 @ 6:09pm
Why doesnt Doctor James Holsinger pray to Jesus to cure Dick Cheney's daughter and daughter in law of lesbianism. Isnt Jesus supposed to grant miraculous powers to anyone who prays to him?
The Bible contains the lie, that anyone who prays to Jesus can cure the sick. Jesus said, "If you have the faith of a mustard seed" (now maybe Dr. Holsinger is a bad christian and doesnt even have that much faith). Why doesnt this christian pray for Dick Cheney's grandson, and save little Sammy Cheney from having to grow up with a lesbian for a mom and another lesbian for a dad. Why dont you pray, Christian?
Posted by conshame at 06/06/2007 @ 6:20pm
What a shock! Liberals upset that someone who doesn't support their efforts to make perversion normal may be in a position of authority.
If we could just get every lib to go queer, we could clean up the country in as little as one generation. AIDs would get most and then the rest would slink back into the closet
Posted by antiliberal at 06/06/2007 @ 7:36pm
Posted by ANTILIBERAL 06/06/2007 @ 7:36pm
LOONEYLEFTIES returns with yet another nick change in....
"LOONEYLEFTIES II: The Wrath of Cons"
Posted by Mask at 06/06/2007 @ 7:45pm
On-topic....20 months and this kind of idiocy will be over...
even Giuliani's choices for Surg-Gen will be somebody from THIS Century.
Posted by Mask at 06/06/2007 @ 7:46pm
Hi RESE -- your comments are good and important but not really at all relevant to this article. Find articles that actually relate to your posts! Anytime Bush is mentioned is not an occassion for post after post about him generally.
Posted by bwyskida at 06/06/2007 @ 7:46pm
Posted by MASK 06/06/2007 @ 7:46pm
What do you want Maskie? a surgeon general like Elder? Maybe someone who will tell teens that it is normal to get STD's, die of AIDS; have sex before marriage and just murder the baby?
You pervert lovers will never be happy until everyone becomes a lib pervert.
Posted by antiliberal at 06/06/2007 @ 8:20pm
"like Elder? Maybe someone who will tell teens that it is normal to get STD's, die of AIDS; have sex before marriage and just murder the baby?"----Posted by ANTILIBERAL 06/06/2007 @ 8:20pm
Did Jocelyn Elders (of whom I'm no fan, she was a ditz) EVER SAY that?
Or are you just another lying idiot?
Posted by Mask at 06/06/2007 @ 8:32pm
Posted by FREIHEIT 06/06/2007 @ 8:25pm
Notice PLUNGER has disappeared....almost in coincident to me saving that post of his from March 26, 2007....
where he predicted "World War-3" and "martial law in the US"...
on March 28th, 2007!
heheh
Posted by Mask at 06/06/2007 @ 8:33pm
What is it about Xters these days needing confirmation that their faith gives them license to spend half their lives dreaming up sick fantasies about the sex lives of total strangers? And to berate others who fail to share their ignorance and bigotry? Speaking of "shoving your lifestyle in my face."
BTW, I wonder how many of Freiheit's little Jesus bunny girlfriends back in the Eighties believed all James Dobson's lies about the uselessness of condoms and wound up pregnant--or (news flash to heteros!) with AIDS themselves.
Posted by MadDog13 at 06/06/2007 @ 9:31pm
I'll tell you another organ that's not "anatomically designed to receive the penis": a woman's throat. Remember, breeder boys: every time that sweet thing gives you a hummer, Jesus weeps.
P.S. I'm straight/married, but I do have friends who are gay, and I don't feel like I have any reason or right to judge whether or not their private sexual lives are "normal"--anymore than I wonder whether my straight friends are into leather. These are human beings, not beings-who-have-sex, and I think it's dehumanizing to focus on that one dimension out of a million.
Posted by MadDog13 at 06/06/2007 @ 10:43pm
Where do they keep getting these people from?
Posted by FRANKGRITS 06/06/2007 @ 10:19pm
From the 60s leftists...:)
Posted by john maasch at 06/06/2007 @ 11:18pm
So that's where those scissors went!
Thanks for this post.
I thought I'd lost those scissors forever.
Posted by destor23 at 06/06/2007 @ 11:42pm
...by not wearing a condom
(armed with that knowledge everyone may now fuck like rabbits)
Posted by Will C. at 06/07/2007 @ 02:26am
except for you rio.
first you have to master the instructions on the condom box
Posted by Will C. at 06/07/2007 @ 02:27am
Frei, anybody shoving their lifestyle in your face? how? I think it is most unfortunate that you shove your homophobic and misanthropic lifestyle in our faces. you have sunk mightily in my estimation with that.
Posted by johannesrolf at 06/07/2007 @ 07:02am
there is nothing unnatural about homosexuality. it has been practiced in every culture and by every animal.
Posted by johannesrolf at 06/07/2007 @ 07:04am
Freiheit, Ever thought about the fact, that homosexuals get the heterosexual livestyle shoved in THEIR faces on a minutely basis, in virtually every situation they are entering? That, just because they are a part of a minority group, their sexual orientation is 'on the table' much quicker and much more easy? That they very often are 'homosexuals' first and AFTER THAT human beings? That they have to justify and explain their oriantation in numerous ways and more often than any heterosexual can imagine? That because of that, your problem with them 'shoving their attitude in your face' actually is a direct result of your (and the mainstream's) treatment of them, i.e. not treating them as completely normal citizens with equal rights and responsibilities but constantly reducing them to their sexual orientation and shoving them in their minority corner??? Please, think about that! ...and talking about your handle: The best thing anyone has ever said about 'freedom', was the following quote of Rosa Luxemburg: "Freedom always is the freedom of the one who thinks or is different". It's really, really sad, that US politics, media and mainstream has such a twisted, limited and exclusive understanding of that basic democratic value...
Posted by elziax at 06/07/2007 @ 08:01am
Good piece Richard! And Rese, the info on the guy Bush pardoned in Texas ranks right up their, IMHO, with the most compelling of the massive amounts of evidence you've provided indicating there something fishy in Destin.
Posted by lewwelge at 06/07/2007 @ 09:46am
RIO, go running with scissors! Run fast!
Posted by crabwalk at 06/07/2007 @ 09:53am
EL, fine point. in a truly enlightened society, it's coming, sexual orientation isn't even an issue.
Posted by johannesrolf at 06/07/2007 @ 10:22am
In the spirit of correct doctrine:
What is it about "christian" conservative males -- who loudly claim to fuck their brow-beaten wives missionary style within the covenant of marriage -- these days needing confirmation that their behavior is okay and accepted by everyone? I will never think conservaLoser sex is natural. It isn't in my opinion. But if you have desire to engage in it, go for it, a copy of How Jesus Treated Women jammed into the orifice and all! What you do in private is your business and a conervaLoser's business is to make private profit off of public entities like governments and invasions.
Posted by FREIHEIT 06/06/2007 @ 9:12p
Posted by Glenn Lemon at 06/07/2007 @ 10:26am
I bet he thinks that smoking is good for you and that the Doctors and HMO's are charging fair and reasonable prices. And if confirmed will probably set us back on those issues. But all in all the Surgon General is not really a position that makes policy, they are usually there to be a puppet for the administration and this nut would not be in the position for very long. The next president will be able to replace him before the troops get on the plane to come home. Heck a good short term replacement for the guy could be a monkey (hopefully one who masterbates instead of practicing gay sex). Just a thought.
Posted by abednego74 at 06/07/2007 @ 10:27am
We're sexual beings. Thus relationships are key. If you don't accept the premise of "live and let live," you're denying your own biological/anatomical socio-political heritage.
Posted by lewwelge at 06/07/2007 @ 11:19am
Projection. We're rife with it.
Posted by lewwelge at 06/07/2007 @ 11:19am
Has anyone ever had a gay/lesbian group come to their door and claim that if the homeowner does not join the gay agenda they will burn in hell forever?
How about closing businesses on Judy Garlands birthday?
Not being able to buy alcohol on the holy gay day of the week?
Gone through a gauntlet of pink clothed rabid Richard Simmons to get a vasectomy?
Listen to how abhorrent the straight community is and how they should burn forever in the pits of Hell, all day on AM radio and FOX radio?
gimme a break FREI. You have no idea.
Posted by crabwalk at 06/07/2007 @ 11:25am
"there is nothing unnatural about homosexuality. it has been practiced in every culture and by every animal."
Posted by JOHANNESROLF 06/07/2007 @ 07:04am
Ok old man, care to explain what's so "natural" about homosexuality?
Also, your "every animal" remark is too broad. Homosexual behavior has only been witnessed in a few mammalian species (outside of humans) and a hand full of bird species. Now, had you said "incest" is practice in every culture and in every animal, then you would be correct in that assessment.
Posted by ACook at 06/07/2007 @ 11:27am
we need an Attorney General that will spread the Truth, smoking weed makes black men rape white women.
It is well documented, right BARRY?
Posted by crabwalk at 06/07/2007 @ 11:28am
Wouldn't you agree ACOOK? Weed is dangerous to white chicks?
Posted by crabwalk at 06/07/2007 @ 11:29am
"Again, racism was part of the charge against marijuana, as newspapers in 1934 editorialized: "Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men's shadows and look at a white woman twice."
Posted by crabwalk at 06/07/2007 @ 11:31am
"Wouldn't you agree ACOOK? Weed is dangerous to white chicks?"
Posted by CRABWALK 06/07/2007 @ 11:29am
Crabby, weed is dangerous period....
Posted by ACook at 06/07/2007 @ 11:37am
"Again, racism was part of the charge against marijuana, as newspapers in 1934 editorialized: "Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men's shadows and look at a white woman twice."
Posted by CRABWALK 06/07/2007 @ 11:31am
Crabby, racism and homosexuality are entirely different. And unless I tell you I'm of the homosexual persuasion, you wouldn't know it, but if you look at me and see that I am a person of color then it's pretty obvious to the human eye that I'm different then you...
Most racist go by what they see first before what they know....it's just a plain ol fact.
Posted by ACook at 06/07/2007 @ 11:46am
Posted by ACOOK 06/07/2007 @ 11:27am | ignore this person
you are misinformed.
Posted by johannesrolf at 06/07/2007 @ 11:50am
This list includes animals for which there is documented evidence of homosexual or transgender behavior of one or more of the following kinds: sex, courtship, affection, pair bonding, or parenting.
Contents [hide] 1 Mammals 2 Birds 3 Fish 4 Other vertebrates 5 Insects and other invertebrates 6 See also 7 Sources
[edit]Mammals
African Buffalo African Elephant Agile Wallaby Amazon River Dolphin (Boto) American Bison Asian Elephant Asiatic Lion Asiatic Mouflon Atlantic Spotted Dolphin Australian Sea Lion Barasingha Barbary Sheep Beluga Bharal Bighorn Sheep Black Bear Blackbuck Black-footed Rock Wallaby Black-tailed Deer Bonnet Macaque Bonobo Bottlenose Dolphin Bowhead Whale Brazilian Guinea Pig Bridled Dolphin Brown Bear Brown Capuchin Brown Long-eared Bat Brown Rat Caribou Cat (domestic) Cattle (domestic) Cheetah Collared Peccary Commerson's Dolphin Common Brushtail Possum Common Chimpanzee Common Dolphin Common Marmoset Common Pipistrelle Common Raccoon Common Tree Shrew Cotton-top Tamarin Crab-eating Macaque Crested Black Macaque Cui Dall's Sheep Daubenton's Bat Dog (domestic) Doria's Tree Kangaroo Dugong Dwarf Cavy Dwarf Mongoose Eastern Cottontail Rabbit Eastern Gray Kangaroo Elk Euro (a subspecies of wallaroo) European Bison Fallow Deer False Killer Whale Fat-tailed Dunnart Fin Whale Fox Gelada Baboon Giraffe Goat (Domestic) Golden Monkey Gorilla Grant's Gazelle Gray-headed Flying Fox Gray Seal Gray Squirrel Gray Whale Gray Wolf Grizzly Bear Guinea Pig (Domestic) Hamadryas Baboon Hamster (Domestic) Hanuman Langur Harbor Porpoise Harbor Seal Himalayan Tahr Hoary Marmot Horse (domestic) Human Indian Fruit Bat Indian Muntjac Indian Rhinoceros Japanese Macaque Javelina Kangaroo Rat Killer Whale Koala Kob Larga Seal Least Chipmunk Lechwe Lesser Bushbaby Lion Lion-tailed Macaque Lion Tamarin Little Brown Bat Livingstone's Fruit Bat Long-eared Hedgehog Long-footed Tree Shrew Markhor Marten Matschie's Tree Kangaroo Mohol Galago Moor Macaque Moose Mountain Goat Mountain Tree Shrew Mountain Zebra Mouse (domestic) Moustached Tamarin Mule Deer Musk-ox Natterer's Bat New Zealand Sea Lion Nilgiri Langur Noctule North American Porcupine Northern Elephant Seal Northern Fur Seal Northern Quoll Olympic Marmot Orangutan Orca Pacific Striped Dolphin Patas Monkey Pere David's Deer Pig (Domestic) Pig-tailed Macaque Plains Zebra Polar Bear Pretty-faced Wallaby Proboscis Monkey Pronghorn Przewalski's Horse Puku Quokka Rabbit Raccoon Dog Red Deer Red Fox Red Kangaroo Red-necked Wallaby Red Squirrel Reeves's Muntjac Reindeer Rhesus Macaque Right Whale Rock Cavy Rodrigues Fruit Bat Roe Deer Rufous Bettong Rufous-naped Tamarin Rufous Rat Kangaroo Saddle-back Tamarin Savanna Baboon Sea Otter Serotine Bat Sheep (Domestic) Siamang Sika Deer Slender Tree Shrew Sooty Mangabey Sperm Whale Spinifex Hopping Mouse Spinner Dolphin Spotted Hyena Spotted Seal Squirrel Monkey Striped Dolphin Stuart's Marsupial Mouse Stumptail Macaque Swamp Deer Swamp Wallaby Takhi Talapoin Tammar Wallaby Tasmanian Devil Tasmanian Rat Kangaroo Thinhorn Sheep Thomson's Gazelle Tiger Tonkean Macaque Tucuxi Urial Vampire Bat Verreaux's Sifaka Vervet Vicuna Walrus Wapiti Warthog Waterbuck Water Buffalo Weeper Capuchin Western Gray Kangaroo West Indian Manatee Whiptail Wallaby White-faced Capuchin White-fronted Capuchin White-handed Gibbon White-lipped Peccary White-tailed Deer Wild Cavy Wild Goat Wisent Yellow-footed Rock Wallaby Yellow-toothed Cavy
[edit]Birds
Acorn Woodpecker Adelie Penguin Anna's Hummingbird Australian Shelduck Aztec Parakeet Bangalese Finch (Domestic) Bank Swallow Barn Owl Bicolored Antbird Black-billed Magpie Black-crowned Night Heron Black-headed Gull Black-rumped Flameback Black Stilt Black Swan Black-winged Stilt Blue-backed Manakin Blue-bellied Roller Blue Tit Blue-winged Teal Brown-headed Cowbird Budgerigar (Domestic) Buff-breasted Sandpiper Calfbird California Gull Canada Goose Canary-winged Parakeet Caspian Tern Cattle Egret Chaffinch Chicken (Domestic) Chiloe Wigeon Cliff Swallow Common Gull Common Murre Common Shelduck Crane spp. Dusky Moorhen Eastern Bluebird Egyptian Goose Elegant Parrot Emu European Jay European Shag Flamingo Galah Gentoo Penguin Golden Bishop Bird Golden Plover Gray-breasted Jay Gray-capped Social Weaver Gray Heron Grayling Great Cormorant Greater Bird of Paradise Greater Rhea Green Sandpiper Greenshank Greylag Goose Griffon Vulture Guianan Cock-of-the-Rock Guillemot Herring Gull Hoary-headed Grebe Hooded Warbler House Sparrow Humboldt Penguin Ivory Gull Jackdaw Kestrel King Penguin Kittiwake Laughing Gull Laysan Albatross Least Darter Lesser Flamingo Lesser Scaup Duck Little Blue Heron Little Egret Long-tailed Hermit Hummingbird Mallard Masked Lovebird Mealy Amazon Parrot Mew Gull Mexican Jay Musk Duck Mute Swan Ocellated Antbird Ocher-bellied Flycatcher Orange Bishop Bird Orange-footed Parakeet Ornate Lorikeet Ostrich Oystercatcher Peach-faced Lovebird Pied Flycatcher Pied Kingfisher Pigeon (Domestic) Powerful Owl Purple Swamphen Raggiana's Bird of Paradise Raven Razorbill Red-backed Shrike Red Bishop Bird Red-faced Lovebird Redshank Red-shouldered Widowbird Regent Bowerbird Ring-billed Gull Ring Dove Rock Dove Roseate Cockatoo Roseate Tern Rose-ringed Parakeet Ruff Ruffed Grouse Sage Grouse San Blas Jay Sand Martin Satin Bowerbird Scarlet Ibis Scottish Crossbill Senegal Parrot Sharp-tailed Sparrow Silver Gull Silvery Grebe Snow Goose Steller's Sea Eagle Superb Lyrebird Swallow-tailed Manakin Tasmanian Native Hen Tree Swallow Trumpeter Swan Turkey (Domestic) Victoria's Riflebird Wattled Starling Western Gull White-fronted Amazon Parrot White Stork Wood Duck Yellow-backed (Chattering) Lorikeet Yellow-rumped Cacique Zebra Finch (Domestic)
[edit]Fish
Amazon molly Blackstripe Topminnow Bluegill Sunfish Char European Bitterling Green swordtail Guiana leaffish Hammerhead Houting Whitefish Jewel Fish Mouthbreeding Fish sp. Salmon spp. Southern platyfish Ten-spined stickleback Three-spined stickleback
[edit]Other vertebrates
Anole sp. Appalachian Woodland Salamander Black-spotted Frog Broad-headed Skink Checkered Whiptail Lizard Chihuahuan Spotted Whiptail Lizard Common Ameiva Common Garter Snake Cuban Green Anole Desert Grassland Whiptail Lizard Desert Tortoise Fence Lizard Five-lined Skink Gopher (Pine) Snake Green Anole Inagua Curlytail Lizard Jamaican Giant Anole Laredo Striped Whiptail Lizard Largehead Anole Mountain Dusky Salamander Mourning Gecko Plateau Striped Whiptail Lizard Red Diamond Rattlesnake Red-tailed Skink Side-blotched Lizard Speckled Rattlesnake Tengger Desert Toad Water Moccasin Western Rattlesnake Western Banded Gecko Whiptail Lizard spp. Wood Turtle
[edit]Insects and other invertebrates
Acanthocephalan Worms Alfalfa Weevil Australian Parasitic Wasp sp. Bean Weevil sp. Bedbug and other Bug spp. Blister Beetle spp. Blowfly Box Crab Broadwinged Damselfly sp. Cabbage (Small) White Checkerspot Butterfly Clubtail Dragonfly spp. Cockroach spp. Common Skimmer Dragonfly spp. Creeping Water Bug sp. Digger Bee Dragonfly spp. Eastern Giant Ichneumon Eucalyptus Longhorned Borer Field Cricket sp. Fruit Fly spp. Glasswing Butterfly Grape Berry Moth Grape Borer Green Lacewing Harvest Spider sp. Hawaiian Orb-Weaver Hen Flea House Fly Ichneumon Wasp sp. Incirrate Octopus spp. Japanese Scarab Beetle Jumping Spider sp. Larch Bud Moth Large Milkweed Bug Large White Long-legged Fly spp. Mazarine Blue Mediterranean Fruit Fly Mexican White Midge sp. Migratory Locust Mite sp. Monarch Butterfly Narrow-winged Damselfly spp. Parsnip Leaf Miner Pomace Fly Prea Queen Butterfly Red Ant sp. Red Flour Beetle Reindeer Warble Fly Rosechafer Rove Beetle spp. Scarab Beetle, Melolonthine Screwworm Fly Silkworm Moth Sociable Weaver Southeastern Blueberry Bee Southern Green Stink Bug Southern Masked Chafer Southern One-Year Canegrub Spreadwinged Damselfly spp. Spruce Budworm Moth Stable Fly sp. Stag Beetle spp. Tsetse Fly Water Boatman Bug Water Strider spp.
[edit]See also
Against Nature?, an exhibit at the University of Oslo's Natural History Museum, taking place until August 19, 2007.
[edit]Sources
Bagemihl, Bruce. Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity. St. Martin's Press, 1999. ISBN 0-312-19239-8
Posted by johannesrolf at 06/07/2007 @ 11:57am
I'll tell you another organ that's not "anatomically designed to receive the penis": a woman's throat. Remember, breeder boys: every time that sweet thing gives you a hummer, Jesus weeps
I don't know who you are, MadDog13, but I love you! I can't tell you how many times I've said some version of this this to some homophobic prick that's trying to make the life of one of my gay, male friends miserable.
Let's be honest guys. If the Supreme Court hadn't overturned Texas' sodomy law, many of you menfolk would be crying in the streets because your girl told you, "I can't do that. It's against the law" when you asked for a blow job.
As for this latest Bush nominee, I'm not surprised. I live among staunch religious conservatives and I can tell you, there is no group more obsessed with homosexuality, and most importantly homosexual sex, than religious conservatives.
I'm thinking that's because so many of them are in closets to die for.
I've always been a live and let live kind of person. If someone is gay, straight, transgendered, or bisexual, that's their business. That's between themselves and their God. I have no say in it, nor should I. I love my friends for who they are, not for who they sleep with. Just so it doesn't involve doing things with animals that God did not intend, we're cool. (the thought of my cats being intimate with someone other than another cat just gives me the willies.)
I think that everyone who does take a minute to judge their fellow man for stuff that's none of their business needs to pull out their Bible and look up a verse that many conservatives seem to have forgotten about: "Judge not, lest ye be judged." I'm not sure where in the Bible that verse is, but it's one I've always remembered and lived my life by.
Now to me, there's just certain jobs where you should leave your religious beliefs at the door, except for the ones that include compassion. Attorney general is one. Surgeon General is another. For someone who has an illness, or for a health crisis, whether or not you believe that this is a Biblical plague brought down to cleanse the world of sin is totally irrelevant to the situation. In fact, getting in front of a live microphone and expressing these views will just add another layer of chaos to a situation that in no way needs it.
Hopefully, Congress will take that factor into consideration when it comes time for this guy to be confirmed.
Besides, anyone whose fantasies include scissors in places where nothing sharp should be is far too off the beam to be anywhere near the decision making process when it comes to this nation's healthcare policy.
Posted by edwriter at 06/07/2007 @ 11:58am
ACOOK, curious...
I assume you don't think homosexuality is genetic, so...in your view...what "causes" it?
Posted by Mask at 06/07/2007 @ 12:03pm
you are misinformed.
Posted by JOHANNESROLF 06/07/2007 @ 11:50am
an aging NY white lib lectures a woman of color about racism...what a load of BS
Posted by antiliberal at 06/07/2007 @ 12:39pm
"ACOOK, curious...
I assume you don't think homosexuality is genetic, so...in your view...what "causes" it?"
Posted by MASK 06/07/2007 @ 12:03pm
No, in my viewpoint homosexuality is not genetic. I don't believe one is "born" into that type of behavior. I think neurological wires gets crossed once the onset of puberty starts. Perhaps it has more to do with chemical deficiencies...both internal and external.
Posted by ACook at 06/07/2007 @ 12:50pm
Your culture of victimization drives every opinion and belief you have. The need to blame.
your antedeluvian views contribute to the culture of victimization by singling out gay people.
Posted by johannesrolf at 06/07/2007 @ 1:24pm
Posted by ACOOK 06/07/2007 @ 12:50pm
So "neurological, but not genetic"...I see.
So, what is your view on homosexuals becoming parents, should it be encouraged? Should we support politicians who say it's "okay"?
Posted by Mask at 06/07/2007 @ 1:27pm
"I think that everyone who does take a minute to judge their fellow man for stuff that's none of their business needs to pull out their Bible and look up a verse that many conservatives seem to have forgotten about: "Judge not, lest ye be judged." I'm not sure where in the Bible that verse is, but it's one I've always remembered and lived my life by."
Posted by EDWRITER 06/07/2007 @ 11:58am
Ed, hope will help you better understand who the judgement statement should be used...
"Matt 7:2-5 "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged [if we judge with an evil heart or dark intent, His judgment of us will reflect it; if we judge nobly and honestly, His judgment of us will reflect that, too], and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you [if we use extremes or exaggerations or other unfair means, our judgment will reflect it]. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye [point out his sins, "minor" in Jesus' example here] and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye [our own sins, even and especially those we will not admit, magnified by our selective blindness]? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' [tell him of his "minor" sins] when all the time there is a plank in your own eye [that there are greater or the same sins in our own lives which we do nothing about or think we are above]? You hypocrite* [pointing out the sins of others while by pretense we think of ourselves as above sin], first take the plank out of your own eye [sincerely ask the Lord for forgiveness and learn and live the Truth and Light by His Word], and then you will see clearly [be in a righteous position] to remove the speck from your brother's eye [to judge and to help him out of his bondage to sin]." At Galilee, the Decapolis, Jerusalem, Judea and the region across the Jordan, Jesus was talking to the multitudes gathered there after hearing of His message and of His healings to beseech them to not become like the pharisees and hypocrites who think they are above sin."
Posted by ACook at 06/07/2007 @ 1:28pm
ED says:
there is no group more obsessed with homosexuality, and most importantly homosexual sex, than religious conservatives.
ED, you are million percent right. These conservaClwons endlessly ponder and emotively, obsessively pronounce on homosexual sex more than the most hormonally-enraged gay dude who has not gotten laid in far too long and who is all but inhaling any hardcore porno magazine he can get his sticky hands around.
Buy why?
Here is one asnwer form David Trimble's Nobel Prize acceptance speech:
Amos Oz also arrived at the same conclusion. Recently in a radio program he was asked to define a political fanatic. He dis so as follows, "A political fanatic", he said, "is someone who is more interested in you than in himself". At first that might seem as an altruist but look closer and you will see the terrorist. A political fanatic is not someone who wants to perfect himself. No, he wants to perfect you. He wants to perfect you personally, to perfect you politically, to perfect you religiously, or racially, or geographically. He wants you to change your mind, your government, your borders.
Clip and save this as it is the essential definition of a contemporary conservaClown, from the Cheerleader down to the lazy no-mind detritus that apes the Cheerleader's cheerleading.
Posted by Glenn Lemon at 06/07/2007 @ 1:55pm
WHy do gays even care?!
Posted by FREIHEIT 06/07/2007 @ 1:32pm | ignore this person
why do you even care?
did you answer my question about how gays are in your face with their lifestyle?
I think a better term would be life choice.
Posted by johannesrolf at 06/07/2007 @ 1:56pm
Posted by JOHANNESROLF 06/07/2007 @ 11:57am
JOHANNES,
With all these gay animals prancing about and swishing aroud -- probably toe-tapping to the Village People as they do so -- we can see why it is necessary to bake the planet by another 5 or 6 centigrade: We must permit God's angry message to reach fudge-packing birds and salamanders.
Does the logic seem a little off? Not to the sick and evil likes of Jerry FarFailure and his apologists. One may read their heinous thoughts with one's jaw dropping as they convey their mixture of righteousness and glee at the 9/11 slaughter of innocent life as a key plank in their medieval "god's" platform.
Posted by Glenn Lemon at 06/07/2007 @ 2:01pm
"So, what is your view on homosexuals becoming parents, should it be encouraged? Should we support politicians who say it's "okay"?
Posted by MASK 06/07/2007 @ 1:27pm
My view on gay's being parents is limited in scope. I feel it would be ideal if a child or children were raised in a two-parent home where there is balance. I think it necessary for children to see how adult males and females interact with each other. Children have a different view when it comes to other children, but to understand what roles each parent plays is critical to their development into adults. Not to say it works all of the time, because it doesn't. Parents of today a totally selfish and very selfserving when it comes to their own offspring.
As far as encouraging them to parent, well, the point is moot if they got pregnant or impregnated the old fashioned way (without paying a sperm bank and not wanting to know who the father or mother is) and they're the biological parent.
Fostering and/or adopting is entirely different.
And, no, I will not support any candidate that endorses the gay lifestyle.
Posted by ACook at 06/07/2007 @ 2:02pm
there are gay high school students. you also seem to think that there are only male homosexuals.
they don't care if you accept them personally. it is society and this creep that we are talking about that is in their face. they are the last segment of society that many people, including you, look down upon and discriminate against.
Posted by johannesrolf at 06/07/2007 @ 2:30pm
And, no, I will not support any candidate that endorses the gay lifestyle.
Posted by ACOOK 06/07/2007 @ 2:02pm
Well, now wait a minute, ACOOK....suppose it was a lesbian, who undoutedly used artificial insemination, and that politician said that "he was looking forward with eager anticipation to the arrival of that child."?
But he was fairly good (in your view) on OTHER issues....would THAT be a problem?
Posted by Mask at 06/07/2007 @ 2:47pm
Thanks for telling me where the verse is, ACook. I appreciate it.
Reading it also kind of makes my point, which is that since none of us are perfect, none of us has the right to judge anyone or to tell others how they should lead their lives.
Again, I think that instead of focusing so much on what folks do in their bedrooms, which is a private place, we should focus more on what folks do in their communities, which are public places.
Posted by edwriter at 06/07/2007 @ 3:26pm
"fudge packing birds and salamanders?"
Geez, Glenn, I was just about to enjoy a chocolate cupcake with chocolate buttercream frosting. Thanks for the image! Geez!
Posted by edwriter at 06/07/2007 @ 3:31pm
the gay people I know personally have my respect and tolerance,
this is not true. you refer to them as unnatural. that is NOT respect or tolerance.
here's what you do. show your posts to that gay friend. then come back and see if he's still your friend.
"The 'plight' of gays in society is nothing compared to racism in our nation. The very thought they are oppressed is obsurd."
how the hell would you know?
Posted by johannesrolf at 06/07/2007 @ 4:10pm
be sure to tell Robert that you think his sexuality is unnatural, Frei
the fact that it is widespread in nature would seem to negate your conclusion. what's left is bigotry.
Posted by johannesrolf at 06/07/2007 @ 4:43pm
FREIHEIT, this is a pointless argument...
OBVIOUSLY, your gay black friend knows NOTHING about homophobia and racism....
compared to JOHANNESROLF, a straight white guy!
Duh!
Posted by Mask at 06/07/2007 @ 4:51pm
Frei, I'll trade you one bleeding heart for one bigot.
now to the natural part. how can something be unnatural when it is practiced almost universally in nature?
Posted by johannesrolf at 06/07/2007 @ 5:18pm
Freiheit-Nature does provide ways to naturally control the population of all species and the Earth has way too many humans making homosexuality a natural form of population control by limiting procreation.Limiting procreation is just as natural as procreation as can be seen in the animal kingdom.
Posted by i'm nobody at 06/07/2007 @ 6:01pm
Freiheit-My too many humans comment is a statement of fact as was the statement that nature has built in population control.I don't care that I have no credibility with you since you can't dispute the facts and facts are all that matter.You desperately want to believe that homosexuality is unnatural in order to justify your bigotry so you ignore facts about nature.That's fine.Whatever you need to tell yourself.
Posted by i'm nobody at 06/07/2007 @ 6:56pm
Freiheit-Can you prove that nature,by itself,can feed 6 billion people?Are there that many buffalo and roots left?As far as nature is concerned there are too many people since nature is set up to provide for a limited population of all species and makes adjustments when it feels that any population is too large.
Posted by i'm nobody at 06/07/2007 @ 7:16pm
What a laugh...the liberal supporters of perversion all other themselves labelling anyone who doesn't support moral perversion as the ones with no credibility.
We don't endorse homosexual perversion anymore than we endorse adultery as a lifestyle choice or pedophelia, or murder.
Now people can legally (unfortunately) go around and engage in adultery without any legal consequence. So also they can engage in the equally morally bankrupt practice of homsexual sex. But that doesn't mean we who actually live normal lives have to accept their behavior.
It's no surprise that libs like Johannesrolf equate humans with every animal form. To them and most libs, that is all that people are, just another animal form. That is the first key step in downplaying and even legitimizing degenerate behavior.
Posted by antiliberal at 06/07/2007 @ 7:30pm
"Well, now wait a minute, ACOOK....suppose it was a lesbian, who undoutedly used artificial insemination, and that politician said that "he was looking forward with eager anticipation to the arrival of that child."?
You're referring to George Bush. I know he does not support the overall lifestyle of the homosexual community, but he has not come out and condemned Mary Cheney for having a baby either. Otherwise Cheney would have never on the ticket as VP.
"But he was fairly good (in your view) on OTHER issues....would THAT be a problem?"
I'm not sure what you mean by this statement....
Posted by MASK 06/07/2007 @ 2:47pm
Posted by ACook at 06/07/2007 @ 7:39pm
Frei, if you have no intention of "turning" gay, what do you care if they get in your face?
how many groups do you have in your state that are trying to outlaw a marriage in which you may get involved?
ACOOK, a nurse that does not believe in the latest, peer reviewed scientific research? hmm.
Not long ago the bible declared you property. if you think weed does not lead to white chick rape, and you don't want to be property, maybe you will join us in the 21st century and treat homosexuals as people.
Posted by crabwalk at 06/07/2007 @ 7:56pm
What happened to the embryos that Mary Cheney didn't use?
Posted by crabwalk at 06/07/2007 @ 7:57pm
RIO, you are in touch with all the embryos, do you know what Dick cheneys lesbian daughter did with the extra embryos? And when are you going to call for her son to be removed from her, and her female companions, care? Would you support a constitutional amendment to take the young potentate and place him with a mommy and daddy?
Posted by crabwalk at 06/07/2007 @ 8:03pm
Sex is for the procreation
what nonsense. you and your spouse are presumably done breeding, does that mean no more sex? of course not. you are grasping at straws and you are making a fool of yourself.
Posted by johannesrolf at 06/07/2007 @ 9:01pm
Just wanted to say that I'm a reader from the United Kingdom and thought this was a clear, well argued and well thought throught piece.
Posted by mikeyd at 06/08/2007 @ 06:18am
Freiheit-My theory came from shows on the science channel and yours comes from where?Do you have facts?Junk food was not invented by nature and eating it is not natural.
Posted by i'm nobody at 06/08/2007 @ 08:24am
ANTILIBERAL, thanks for your deep insights in your 7.30h post. You do realize, that about 65 years ago, the Nazi's built concentration camps and argued along the same lines as yourself to also slaughter off homosexuals in them. Your way of thinking is fascist to the core.
In fact, be glad that you're in the US (I assume). If this was a forum of an European magazine, I could get you in front of a legal court for your deeply discrimatory behaviour. And believe me, I would.
Luckily, unlike the US, the European Union is civlized enough to make an implicit equation homosexuals=adultrists=pedophiles=murders illegal and a reason for people to go to prison!
Posted by elziax at 06/08/2007 @ 08:26am
"Sex is not limited to procreation,"
this is what's known as backpedaling. when you say gay sex is unnatural what you are really saying is" I don't like gay sex and I don't like gays", your many many gay friends notwithstanding.funny how those who attack gays seem to have so many more gay friends than those who respect them and defend them
when we talk about gays we are not just talking about gay sex, we are also talking about gay love. that unnatural too?
Posted by johannesrolf at 06/08/2007 @ 08:44am
It's no surprise that libs like Johannesrolf equate humans with every animal form
I did no such thing. what I did do is to refute a post by that ignoramus acook about homosexuality in animals.
Posted by johannesrolf at 06/08/2007 @ 08:47am
bringing up May cheney and her lesbian lover sure does silence the Taliban!!
Posted by crabwalk at 06/08/2007 @ 09:30am
bringing up May cheney and her lesbian lover sure does silence the Taliban!!
Posted by CRABWALK 06/08/2007 @ 09:30am | ignore this person
this should read lesbian partner or spouse.
Posted by johannesrolf at 06/08/2007 @ 09:44am
Article trivializes injuries caused by putting objects into the rectum. This is a real problem. I have heard of one case from my wife, who is an emergency room nurse. Patient came in complaining of pain in rectum. X-ray showed small hammer in rectum. Operation removed hammer, but rectum was not salvaged. Patient was discharged with colostomy bag.
I do not know whether injuries to the rectum because of foreign objects are common. Or, for that matter, whether penile insertion causes trauma.
Posted by somib at 06/08/2007 @ 10:40am
anal sex play is by no means confined to the male homosexual community, it is universal.
Posted by johannesrolf at 06/08/2007 @ 11:17am
Posted by ELZIAX 06/08/2007 @ 08:26am
Your comment displayed a typical lib inability (or unwillingness) to actually respond to the comments made.
I made not inference or direct suggestion regarding legal status of homosexuals. My comments were all in regards to moral behavior. As I noted, we do not take legal action against adulterers even though their actions are morally reprehensible.
Similarly, moral people can make comments on moral behavior that they find repugnant without it being translated into legal actions. That is part of our freedoms which you don't seem to comprehend in your European snobbery.
Posted by antiliberal at 06/08/2007 @ 12:16pm
antiliberal-People who claim that they get to judge others morals by declaring themselves to be moral live in a fantasy world.You are no more moral than most anyone else and have no right to judge others who are not harming you or anyone else.
Posted by i'm nobody at 06/08/2007 @ 12:29pm
"ACOOK, a nurse that does not believe in the latest, peer reviewed scientific research? hmm."
"Not long ago the bible declared you property. if you think weed does not lead to white chick rape, and you don't want to be property, maybe you will join us in the 21st century and treat homosexuals as people."
Posted by CRABWALK 06/07/2007 @ 7:56pm
Sorry Crabby, I don't place a lot value on "peer reviews", and yes it's true people were considered "property" in the bible.
And one more thing, just because I don't support the lifestyles of the gay community, does not mean I treat them as less than human.
Posted by ACook at 06/08/2007 @ 2:42pm
antiliberal-People who claim that they get to judge others morals by declaring themselves to be moral live in a fantasy world.You are no more moral than most anyone else and have no right to judge others who are not harming you or anyone else.
Posted by I'M NOBODY 06/08/2007 @ 12:29pm
A complete falsehood. Everyone makes moral judgments all the time. It's even done every day by liberals on this website.
Your comments are intellectually dishonest.
Posted by antiliberal at 06/08/2007 @ 3:18pm
antiliberal-There is a huge difference between commenting on the morals of people who cause harm and you declaring yourself to be moral and therefore able to comment on others sexual behavior that causes you no harm.
Posted by i'm nobody at 06/08/2007 @ 4:34pm
The health care crisis in this country is at least partly due to leftists, like Mr. Kim, who make light of the science on same-sex behavior.
The fact is that same-sex behavior is extremely unhealthy, like smoking. Homosexuals, primarily males, are disproportionately at risk for serious disease. For males, these diseases are HIV/AIDS (to which they're nine times more susceptible than straight males), Kaposi's Sarcoma, human papilloma virus, hepatitis A and B, anal cancer, non-hodgkins lymphoma, hodgkins disease, gonorrhea, syphilis, proctitis, proctocolitis, and enteritis. Prophylactics offer males mitigation of, but not complete protection from, these diseases. , , , , In comparison, lesbians are generally at lesser risk for disease but are still more prone than heterosexual women to some health concerns. Examples include breast cancer, ovarian cancer, HPV, BV, chlamydia, syphillis, trichomoniasis, and even AIDS/HIV. Of these diseases, HPV is at least as common in lesbians as in single heterosexual women, while BV is more so.
But disease is not the only risk associated with homosexual behavior. The others include physical damage for males and mental illness for both sexes. Among males, approximately 93% of homosexual activity involves anal receptive intercourse, which has a tendency to damage the voluntary and involuntary muscles surrounding the rectal area, including the lining of this area. Further, male homosexuals have a greater tendency to experience bowel control issues later in life. For both sexes, homosexuals have a greater tendency to experience mental and emotional disorders, such as major depression, generalized anxiety disorder, and substance abuse/ dependence.
Though the source of these disorders is not clear, social stigma is considered a possibility. Yet two studies appear to cast some doubt on this source. Showing no statistical significance, one study was inconclusive as to whether homosexuals early in life were more vulnerable to psychological morbidity caused by social stress. The other study showed that Dutch homosexuals were as likely to experience psychological morbidity as their American counterparts, even though the Dutch are either more tolerant of it or more likely to consider homosexuality an equal of heterosexuality.24
In either case, this elevated potential for psychological morbidity in homosexuals appears to contradict the position of the APA. Based on studies conducted in the late 1950's, showing little to no prevalence of psychological disorders among homosexuals, the APA de-listed homosexuality as a pathology in the early 1970's. Doing so, the APA turned from previous studies, suggesting that homosexuality was related to parental neglect.
Yet recent research suggests otherwise. In one paper, a researcher indicates that "…early experiences with childhood maltreatment may influence adult sexual orientation." In other words, more rigorous, modern day research suggests validity to earlier studies showing that parental neglect, primarily among fathers, heightened the potential for homosexuality. 24
So, unlike race or gender, homosexuality is not due solely to biological factors, nor is it a natural and fixed condition, over which individuals have no control. Instead, unlike these characteristics, homosexuality is a behavioral urge that is acted upon by choice, making it no different than any other human behavior. Further, like all other behaviors, the likelihood for it to occur is heightened through parental and societal influences - the cognitive and cultural factors mentioned by the American Psychological Association as two of the three reasons for homosexual behavior.
Unfortunately, due to an extreme bias that is devoid of science, Mr. Kim is a negative influence on the cultural factor.
References:
According to at least one study, the incidence of HIV/AIDS actually increases in so-called "committed" homosexual relationships in comparison to transient ones: Xiridou M, Geskus R, de Wit J, Coutinho R, Kretzschmar M, "The contribution of steady and casual partnerships to the incidence of HIV infection among homosexual men in Amsterdam," AIDS 2003, 17:1029-1038 (p. 1031)
"Sexual Practices, Sexually Transmitted Diseases, and the Incidences of Anal Cancer," New England Journal of Medicine, 1987.
"Healthy People 2010 Companion Document For Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender (LGBT) Health," Gay and Lesbian Medical Association and National Coalition for LGBT Health, April 2001.
"Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Health: Findings and Concerns, January 2000, Conference Edition (work in progress)," Gay and Lesbian Medical Association and Columbia University Joseph L. Mailman School of Public Health, Center for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Health.
"STD Treatment Guidelines: Proctitis, Proctocolitis, and Enteritis," (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) 1993. (www.ama-assn.org/special/std /treatmnt/guide/stdg3470.htm)
http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/dstd/2002ConfAbstracts/Slides/A4Marrazzo.pdf
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol10no11/pdfs/04-0467.pdf
http://www.mautnerproject.org/health%5Finformation/Cancer/
According to gayhealth.com, other methods of gay relations also expose the practitioner to disease.
A.P.M. Coxon et al., "Sex Role Separation in Diaries of Homosexual Men," AIDS, July 1993, pp. 877-882.
G.J. Hart et al., "Risk Behaviour, Anti-HIV and Anti-Hepatitis B Core Prevalence in Clinic and Non-clinic Samples of Gay Men in England, 1991-1992," AIDS, July 1993, pp. 863-869, cited in "Homosexual Marriage: The Next Demand," Position Analysis paper by Colorado for Family Values, May 1994.
S. Cochran, "Emerging Issues in Research on Lesbians' and Gay Men's Mental Health: Does Sexual Orientation Really Matter?" American Psychologist, November 2001.
http://www.psychologymatters.org/hooker.html
Posted by skeetjr at 06/09/2007 @ 02:32am
LvLiberty-I'm quite concerned that you don't see any difference between sex with consenting adults and sex with children.
Posted by i'm nobody at 06/10/2007 @ 12:37pm
liberty, back already spreading your hate?
Posted by johannesrolf at 06/12/2007 @ 08:32am
Will we discover this closet case has picked up boys on the internet? What else do you expect from repressed whackos like him?
Posted by MCE337 at 06/12/2007 @ 11:05pm
What a shock! Liberals upset that someone who doesn't support their efforts to make perversion normal may be in a position of authority.
If we could just get every lib to go queer, we could clean up the country in as little as one generation. AIDs would get most and then the rest would slink back into the closet
Posted by ANTILIBERAL
Hey FREAK, spouting the same old fringe loon drivel of hate and evil that is the trademark of miserable jackasses like yourself? Dream on with your absurdly stupid ranting, a sign of the morons you right wing whackadoos truly are...when was the last time you had any meaningful interaction with anything except your right hand?
Posted by MCE337 at 06/12/2007 @ 11:09pm