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RedditToday a friend forwarded me an e-mail that a friend of his had received with the subject "Let Us Remain Alert!" the contents of which are below:
Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black Muslim from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white atheist from Wichita, Kansas.Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii.
When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a radical Muslim from Indonesia. When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia.
Obama attended a Muslim school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a Catholic school.
Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick to point out that, he was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school.
Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education. Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Osama [sic--yes, they slipped that in there too] was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta. Wahabism is the radical teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world.
Since it is politically expedient to be a Christian when seeking major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background.
Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential candidacy.
Now I see via Atrios, that Fox News has elevated this smear to national television. It seems as a child in Indonesia Obama attended a Muslim school for two years (otherwise known as a madrassa), so obviously he's a latter-day Manchurian candidate brainwashed and programmed at the age of 7 to grow up to be a gifted orator, run for President and immediately replace the Constitution with Sharia. Seriously. (Incidentally, not that this really deserves a response, but it wasn't a Wahhabi school.)
On a related note, it's really bothered me that the word "madrassa" has become synonymous with "terrorist training school." A madrassa is just a Muslim religious school, like a yeshiva or a Catholic school. Jeffrey Goldberg had a typically hyperventilating piece about Wahhabi madrassas in Pakistan a few years back, which I think was what prompted the madrassa freak-out, but as Peter Bergen and Swati Pandey pointed out in the Times two years ago, there's absolutely no correlation between madrassa education and terrorism.
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Boy, Obama is REALLY in trouble...
Religious Right going after him....AND...
(BLOG | Posted 01/18/2007 @ 09:55am. In Defense of Obama. Adam Howard.)
The Left doesn't like him EITHER!
Posted by Mask at 01/19/2007 @ 4:40pm
Oooh, forgot about this one too....
Wonder which is worse?..."Islamic Manchurian Candidate" or "wimpy, drained-of-essence centrist"?
BLOG | Posted 01/18/2007 @ 6:22pm On Carbon Emissions, Political Climate Still Lukewarm by Liza Featherstone
"Usually, I roll my eyes when Democratic politicians like Barack and Hillary ooze on about "bipartisanship." That word suggests wimpy centrism, and politics drained of essence."
Posted by Mask at 01/19/2007 @ 4:46pm
And so, the 'swift boating' of Barack has begun.
They must be REALLY scared by his obvious charisma and star potential!!
Posted by Lillian at 01/19/2007 @ 4:58pm
questions...
1. is this true? guess i'll have to look into this for myself (like lots of people know how to do, which has partially gutted fox)
2. really? well, guess i should have assumed his dad was muslim...but the madrassa stuff? thats new on me...is it true? again, google time...
well, i was considering hopping omto the obamawagon...and may yet still...but not yet...
and if it is true...shen thats not a swift boating, thats an inconvenient truth...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 01/19/2007 @ 5:20pm
HA HA HA!
just googled...looks like its true! i KNEW it was too good to be true (the spotless perfect non-european-caucasian that finally becomes our disraeli)!
well...now it all depends on how he responds...well, not ALL...some people have ALREADY been lost...how he responds will determine how MANY he has lost...
WES CLARK FOR PRES 08!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 01/19/2007 @ 5:25pm
and if it is true...shen thats not a swift boating, thats an inconvenient truth...
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 01/19/2007 @ 5:20pm | ignore this person
c'mon now, two years in a muslim school? I spent five years in a catholic school, and my views are fairly well known around here.
Osama, or whatever his name is, has two years in the spotlight to show us who and what he is. he will be vetted, let's hope not wetted.
my favorite rap lyric:
you wet who we want wetted, we wet who you want wetted...
Posted by johannesrolf at 01/19/2007 @ 5:27pm
WES CLARK FOR PRES 08!
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 01/19/2007 @ 5:25pm | ignore this person
notachance.
Posted by johannesrolf at 01/19/2007 @ 5:28pm
WES CLARK FOR PRES 08!
secretary of defense.
Posted by johannesrolf at 01/19/2007 @ 5:35pm
The Republican nutter's are always searching for new demons. If they can't find any they fabricate them. They have a particularly strong and hostile fascination with people who are superficially "other" than what they are.
Mr. Hayes is also correct in pointing out that the madrassa connection to terrorism is hyperventilated hogwash and a lot of liberals, too, absorb and regenerate it because they saw it in the news.
The actual unpalatable aspect of Barack Obama is his connections with the Republican wing of the Democratic Party.
Posted by fromredbird at 01/19/2007 @ 5:37pm
Here's another winner for the Democratic Party:
Sawyer: As we sit here right now, 3,500 troops are moving in. That's the first of the surge. It has begun. Fifty-one percent of the American people say they want Congress to stop the surge. Money is the method at hand to do that.
Are you going to move to cut off funding for troops going into Iraq as part of the surge?
Pelosi: Democrats will never cut off funding for our troops when they are in harm's way, but we will hold the president accountable. He has to answer for his war.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2805714&page=1
It isn't about the American people. It isn't about more troops getting sent to lose their lives for a war to nowhere. It's about getting Democrats elected.
Why shouldn't Americans hold the Democrats responsible, also, if they never did anything but blow smoke?
I hope this backfires on both of them.
Posted by fromredbird at 01/19/2007 @ 5:53pm
Posted by JOHANNESROLF 01/19/2007 @ 5:28pm |
maybe you are right, maybe not...at least not for VP...and looks like thats the ob that counts these days...
but i think he is the dark horse if he decides.
i really thought obama was the man, but now, in this day and time, the muslim thing COULD seriously derail him, though it would be good for our ME relations...he is a brave man to run...
i like him, or have liked him. despite my deplorable and admitted personal anti-muslim bigotry, i still think he is probably the best combination thus far of good policy and electability...unless the muslim thing begins a humanizing derailing...
hillary...i dont care what anybody says and know i am tainted by my personal distaste, but i don think she will be the one...unless murdoch is bankrolling her...
edwards...he's gotten rid of that plastered on ken doll smile he had all the time in the 04 campaign (the chinese thik someone who smiles all the freakin time is either dishonest or an idiot - any wonder they will bury us silly ninnies one day?)...good...i like him also. hard nosed trial lawyer who REALLY DOES have a squeeky clean goody goddy two shoes record...he impresses me as being what clinton could have been...which is good. not to be counted out if he can keep that cool "i'm a hard nosed crusading trial lawyer fighting for the people's rights" look on and the smile off more. sort of like a kennedyesque "shark"...
gore - i also really like reverend lovejoy...shit, we elected him once...and would it not be cool watching him campaigning vs. hillary? clinton vs. gore! kind of like batman vs. robin...
biden - he's that guy who comes on after republicans and says stuff...
WES CLARK - intelligent, military man, newly polished politically, moderate to progressive (actually suprisingly progressive) genuine and decent.
when i say "genuine and decent" i mean that to read "as genuine and decent as someone who can win the presidency can be"
intelligent, military, progressive, prone to funny verbal gaffs...what more could you want? a progressive democrat 5 star general in the "can do" cincinatus style in these days? this is a man that can restore security and ram through legislation a "liberal democrat" never could...
but sure, never happen...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 01/19/2007 @ 5:53pm
4 star general - oops
Posted by ibbleblibble at 01/19/2007 @ 5:56pm
you know...if you think about it, you want a president who, if placed in the situation, will be intelligent, educated, honorable, wise and ethical/moral enough to be trusted to only violate the constitution when such is REALLY REALLY REALLY needed. because the writers of the constitution were humble enough to know they might not be able to foresee every eventuality, they build into the constitution itself the ability to violate...itself...it...
one thing's for sure...this president has had none of the abovementioned qualities in sufficient quantity to decide when he could violate the constitution...not qualified. as if he decides anything anyway other than when he goes to bed and what he has for dinner...and what he wants to believe (or do i give him too much credit?).
Posted by ibbleblibble at 01/19/2007 @ 6:08pm
The degree to which the right in this country will go in order to keep the nation in fear so they can continue their quest to remake it into Germany 1933 is breath taking. Sen. Obama presents a chance to change the country for the better and all they can do is print garbage about him. If they have something debate, fine. But this kind of mud throwing must stop.
Posted by theleftcoast at 01/19/2007 @ 6:16pm
examining a person's background in whom you will place the ULTIMATE responsibility is not smearing. it is smart.
its funny...the social liberal is in such a strange place when it comes to islam. on the one hand religious freedom and toleration are part and parcel of the ideology of social liberalism and god knows christianity has pushed the constitutional envelope all along and presumed itself upon most others, but islam, especially as practiced by many islamic majority countries, is so intolerant and conservative!!!!
i defend your right to attempt to restrict my rights...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 01/19/2007 @ 6:27pm
because what scares me about islam is not soe rightwing claptrap but this...
when a danish magazine rather unwisely pulls a tasteless PR stunt that insults millions of muslims, they take to the streets in the thousands (millions?) and slaughter innocent people. the message they send to me is that they expect me to obey their religious dictates.
that is simply unacceptable to me, and i do not want lots (more?) people like that in my country, nor do i want anybody who suscribes to that mindset in positions of high power in my country (have we not had enough of that already?).
but obama impresses me as being a rational, decent type (and, as a christian, he's still one of the "people of the book" so islamics cant pull the "convert or die" thing...oh wait...he WAS islamic and left his one true faith...he should be executed! according to islam...)
Posted by ibbleblibble at 01/19/2007 @ 6:35pm
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 01/19/2007 @ 6:35pm | ignore this person
I appreciate your views.
this Obama smear, that's what it is, he was a child for heaven's sake, is a blip, and will be forgotten. had this come just before an election, maybe it would have played.
muslims are just like you and me. people use scripture to justify many abominable things, like Liberty does on occasion. others find solace in religion. Islam must have something to offer, look how many followers. among the downtrodden?
the Vatican turned away from the holocaust. many of the the born again are intolerant and worse, shooting doctors for performing a legal medical procedure. we are in no position to throw the first stone.
Posted by johannesrolf at 01/19/2007 @ 6:56pm
Like it or not, the office of POTUS has become (has always been?)an "Americal Idol" popularity contest.
So far, Senator Obama looks to be likely to have the broad appeal, the sex appeal and the schlameel appeal to get elected.
'Murkkuns, for the most part, seem to be looking for at least the appearance of a change of direction in US politics. BushI/ClintonI/BushII/ClintonII is simply too scary and simple pattern for all but the thickest of folks to fathom.
When the money starts rollin' up the media, when the tabloid MSM start their rush to be the first the gust wind for the "Swiftboat Armada", when the fecund mudslinging hits the fan, how many "Murkkuns" will lean forward and stride on into the foul wind? Who among the voters will stand strong? How many millions will simply roll over and be covered up by the settling shit?
My prediction...a whole friggin' bunch of millions, kidz...a whole friggin' bunch.
-T
Posted by Hajji at 01/19/2007 @ 7:14pm
Posted by JOHANNESROLF 01/19/2007 @ 6:56pm
alas...i am indeed become a hobbesian compassionate conservative, who weeps for the downtrodden and misunderetiated on the one hand and laughs at the silly shaved apes funny gesticulating on the other.
there are lots of great things about islam. it is a moral religion which beats the hell out of pre columbian blood sacrifice cults. i would any day of the week prefer to live in a muslim society to a pre columbian blood cult society...
its not quite as "something for nothing" natured as christianity, but it is even more intolerant, and violently so. there are some beautiful, soul inspiring passages in the koran, but then there are some vile parts too. like in the new and old testaments...
but i just don't think the muslim world has slaughtered itself enough yet to "get it" in terms of western democracy and secularism and "freedom", real freedom...like for women and people who are not of your own faith...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 01/19/2007 @ 7:18pm
i. e. lets get out of there and let them get "it" out of their system...hopefully with real diploacy we can prevent it from going all WMD...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 01/19/2007 @ 7:21pm
A whisper of muslim in his back ground will finish him off, Hillary will see to it, but regardless,,he will not get close to the WH except for meetings and Christmas partys, if he celebrates Christmas, or if Washington recognizes Christmas anymore.
No experience and no track record., whethter good or bad....no chance except for emotional PC voters.
Posted by john maasch at 01/19/2007 @ 7:36pm
Both this article and the posts are ridiculously unfair. The information about Senator Obama is being both researched and leaked by researchers linked to the presidential campaign of Senator Rodham-Clinton. This is not a Republican party attack, not a "swift-boating" (whatever that is), this is Democratic Party internecine warfare at its very best. The previous posting that states Senator Rodham-Clinton will finish off Senator Obama is much closer to the truth than the rest of the paranoid postings. Senator Obama is currently a blank slate that the voter can project his or her dreams on. He decided to enter the vicious, hardball games of presidential politics. He doesn't get to cry now that he has been caught sanitizing his biography.
Posted by Tom Sawyer at 01/19/2007 @ 7:59pm
but i just don't think the muslim world has slaughtered itself enough yet to "get it" in terms of western democracy and secularism and "freedom", real freedom...like for women and people who are not of your own faith...
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 01/19/2007 @ 7:18pm | ignore this person
we're not going to convince them at the point of a gun. we need to support moderate elements. we had fifty years of cold war, why should we expect this "struggle" to be different?
Posted by johannesrolf at 01/19/2007 @ 8:02pm
He doesn't get to cry now that he has been caught sanitizing his biography.
Posted by TOM SAWYER 01/19/2007 @ 7:59pm | ignore this person
he has not done so.
Posted by johannesrolf at 01/19/2007 @ 8:03pm
It's a terrible lie and completely dishonest. Obama has long been a member of Trinity United Christian Church in Chicago. He lived in many places as a child and attended a number of schools. The person who posted that slander is not as anonymous as he thinks he is and could be held responsible. Obama's morals and integrity are beyond reproach, and are light years ahead of the Clintons.
Posted by ratown at 01/19/2007 @ 8:03pm
This is not a Republican party attack, not a "swift-boating" (whatever that is), this is Democratic Party internecine warfare at its very best.
Posted by TOM SAWYER 01/19/2007 @ 7:59pm
THAT'S A VICIOUS, HORRIBLE LIE. All Democrats (except Lieberman) are GOOD and PURE and TRUE and all Republicans are evil, smearing, horrible monsters!!!! Nobody on the Left is attacking Senator Obama, it's all Swift Boaters funded by Grover Norquist and Bill Kristol!!!!!
And stop asking about his vote on the Bankruptcy Bill!
Posted by Mask at 01/19/2007 @ 8:37pm
Both this article and the posts are ridiculously unfair. The information about Senator Obama is being both researched and leaked by researchers linked to the presidential campaign of Senator Rodham-Clinton. This is not a Republican party attack, not a "swift-boating" (whatever that is), this is Democratic Party internecine warfare at its very best.
Posted by TOM SAWYER 01/19/2007 @ 7:59pm
I can't stomach Hillary Clinton but I'm also not enough of an imbecile to try to claim that her campaign is propagating this "information" through what is obviously some right-wing "Christian" organization (i.e., Republican front group).
Posted by fromredbird at 01/19/2007 @ 9:01pm
Posted by JOHANNESROLF 01/19/2007 @ 8:02pm
does it not suck that it may take years for US to recover the moral high ground to lead effective diplomacy?
Posted by ibbleblibble at 01/19/2007 @ 9:03pm
He doesn't get to cry now that he has been caught sanitizing his biography.
Posted by TOM SAWYER 01/19/2007 @ 7:59pm
Not mentioning that he attended a Muslim school when he was six years old is what you call sanitizing? In the first place attending a Muslim school is nothing to be ashamed of to anyone who thinks like an American and, secondly, that he did something as nondescript as this when he was six years old isn't in the least relevant to anyone who isn't a jackass.
Posted by fromredbird at 01/19/2007 @ 9:06pm
Posted by RATOWN 01/19/2007 @ 8:03pm
after some lazy googling i'm beginning to smell something fishy about this story after all...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 01/19/2007 @ 9:14pm
Posted by FROMREDBIRD 01/19/2007 @ 9:06pm
So if Obama is the "Manchurian Candidate", is FROMRED "Chunjin" (Henry Silva)....
or "John Iselin" (James Gregory)?
Posted by Mask at 01/19/2007 @ 9:19pm
madrasah - this is a sneaky little misuse of the word that Fox News and the right wing are engaged in. "Madrasah" is the generic term in Arabic for school -- *any* school. It comes from the root word darasa, which means to study. A "school of nursing" is a madrasah. A "school of fine arts" is a madrasah. A "language school" is a madrasah.
All Muslim children who attend school anywhere in the world go to 'madrasah'. Some of them may also go to a religious school, which is also called 'madrasah'. Only context allows you to know what kind of school is being discussed. So when Fox News says that Obama attended a "madrasah" in Indonesia, it doesn't mean what they think it means.
Posted by Sauron at 01/19/2007 @ 10:08pm
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 01/19/2007 @ 9:03pm | ignore this person
yes it does. it will take a very long time before the world will again trust America's leaders, or England's as well.
Posted by johannesrolf at 01/19/2007 @ 10:23pm
in our media "culture" it no longer matters if a story is true, or meaningful. all that matters is the "script". one station has it and they all fall into line. the script is everything. they give the lie equal time with the truth, excepting Fox, which gives the lie all its attention.
Posted by johannesrolf at 01/19/2007 @ 10:33pm
You know, it's interesting that the conservative magazine Insight seems to be the main rag pushing this story...and claiming that it was a 'Hillary staffer' who recently passed them the info on Barack. And yet, right here...
http://www.adamyoshida.com/2004/11/why-barack-obama-wont-be-president.ht ml
...is an article published November 21, 2004 by Adam Yoshida, a writer for Insight, that basically says ALL of the info about Obama having a Muslim father, advancing 'unconfirmed rumors' that Obama is "secretly a Muslim" now, and of course, 'mistakenly' refering to him as Osama. The only thing missing in the Insight article from 2004 is the 'new' charge that all of this information came from someone on Hillary Clinton's staff.
They seem to resurrecting this swift-boat BS and ascribing it to Hillary in a blatant effort to tar both of the Democratic candidates with their offal.
Posted by Lillian at 01/19/2007 @ 11:14pm
But of course, the 'usual suspects' won't let any actual facts get in the way of thier attempts to make it all about 'nasty Democratic infighting'.
Posted by Lillian at 01/19/2007 @ 11:17pm
The part of Obama's background the Republicans are really worried about is his decade teaching Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago. He's not going to support any so-called Patriot Act that's less about protecting American lives, and more about un-protecting American rights.
But wouldn't you think that with all their genealogical digging they would have noticed his ancestry on his mother's side goes straight back to one of the signers of the Magna Carta? Not to mention he's related (distantly, but related) to the Bushes, Harry Truman, Howard Dean and Dick Cheney? As they say, politics makes strange bedfellows.... Ancestry of Barack Obama compiled by William Addams Reitwiesner [wargs.com]
Posted by Tom J at 01/19/2007 @ 11:18pm
Looks like Lillian is correct. As Adam Yoshida said, ''And, while I'm at it, I'll also add that there are (unconfirmed) rumours that Obama himself is secretly a Muslim. Now, I don't believe them but, if Obama ever runs for President, I won't mind spreading them.''
If you haven't noticed, Insight is part of The Washington Times which is owned by the Moonies. People who live in glass houses....
Posted by Tom J at 01/19/2007 @ 11:43pm
PROOF THAT ZERO IS A COMPLETE MANIAC TOWING THE WHITE HOUSE PROPAGANDA:
pelosi provides the real case for opposing the cutting off of funding for troop escalation. the white house has called her remarks poisonous:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/19/pelosi-iraq-abc/
go nancy!
and rio bravo = nutcase.
anyone who uses the term "secular progressive" is, for lack of a better word, moronic.
this IS a secular country, folks. what do you want? theocratic progressive?
Posted by darladoon at 01/19/2007 @ 11:44pm
Don't worry too much about the Republicans. They are just acting like losers - what they are best at - and they'll hopefully soon be extinct:
Ken Mehlman, the departing chairman of the Republican National Committee, warned on Thursday that his party would suffer even more devastating losses in 2008 than it did in 2006 if it did not reach out to minorities and address voter concerns about ethics.
http://tinyurl.com/385xxx
note: marketing ideas
- a copy of Ted Nugent's Confederate flag t-shirt for every new black Republican
- a new Republican caucus rule that places an individual annual cap on the dollar value of bribes accepted
- a promise that if they ever again become the majority party they won't run the House page program like a candy store for Republican pedophiles like they did the last time
Posted by fromredbird at 01/20/2007 @ 01:52am
a copy of Ted Nugent's Confederate flag t-shirt for every new black Republican
or a white hood from Robert Byrd's personal collection?
a new Republican caucus rule that places an individual annual cap on the dollar value of bribes accepted
Sure. Let's use the William Jefferson Standard and make it $100,000. But add a clause that allows for his re-election. Oh, wait. That's implied.
a promise that if they ever again become the majority party they won't run the House page program like a candy store for Republican pedophiles like they did the last time
Or the White House like an escort service. Or their own homes like, well, escort services. Or Congress like a, well, not an escort service, but, oh yeah, a candy store for Democrat pedophiles like they did last time.
Posted by FROMREDBIRD 01/20/2007 @ 01:52am
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Posted by usc1 at 01/20/2007 @ 06:04am
But of course, the 'usual suspects' won't let any actual facts get in the way of thier attempts to make it all about 'nasty Democratic infighting'.
Posted by LILLIAN 01/19/2007 @ 11:17pm
Of course...after all no Democrat would EVER attack another Democrat, especially in a Presidential primary!
First time anybody EVER heard of "Mike Dukakis' furlough program" was from Bush and Atwater!
Posted by Mask at 01/20/2007 @ 07:11am
Did you all know that the pope is a Nazi? It's true, he served as a teen. So he MUST still be calling for a pogrom against the jews.
this campaign to discredit Obama in this fashion reeks of republican. It is really sick and sad, just what we come to expect from them. As we can see from the comments of USC, the past 30 years mean nothing. Don't you ever tire of bringing up Byrds past, a past he has loudly and consistently repudiated? I think you are afraid of Byrd because he has actually read the const.
Obama must have a reaction to the Queen of Hearts (hillary). So don't anybody play cards with him.
Scared little boys Like Rio and USC will be voting for some Tough Guy, like a former cheerleader and NG dropout. Who carries that water now that Chimpy is a deadender?
Posted by crabwalk at 01/20/2007 @ 08:05am
USC, do you really want to make comments about pedophiles? Really? Have you been chatting up a mule again, with your good friend Neil Horsely?
Maybe you should do a google on "convicted republicans". Heck, just focus on the last 6 years and you will be busy for quite a while. Meanwhile, Will Jefferson is a free man, unlike Ney, Lay, Safavian, Abramoff, etc etc etc.
How many thrones have you stowed in your grass trailer?
Posted by crabwalk at 01/20/2007 @ 08:10am
USC1, those are the lamest comebacks someone could imagine in defense of your racist, bribe-taking, pedophilic Republicans but we do, of course, realize that's the best you have available.
Republicans- doing the best they can with what they've got and a lot it's not. We won't even get into your $trillion war to nowhere right now.
The Republicans have so many species-based mass extinction factors working against them that it's a full time job for scientifically oriented people like me to document them all before you disappear from the face of the earth. I haven't even been able to fully classify the variations- USC1, JOHN MAASCH, WOODYE, BARRY25, RIO BLOTTO . . . what a luxurious eruption of evolutionary experiments. You've got to hand it to Mother Nature- she can be entertaining at times. Like right now.
Goodbye, and don't think it hasn't been great knowing you.
Posted by fromredbird at 01/20/2007 @ 10:51am
Is this how one intellectualizes an argument from the shallow end of the pool or do you really have something definative or substantual you wish to add?
Posted by RIO BRAVO 01/20/2007 @ 12:29am
You didn't write that yourself. You copied and pasted it from somewhere. Along with the spelling error and the missing word.
Posted by fromredbird at 01/20/2007 @ 10:55am
How many thrones have you stowed in your grass trailer?
Posted by CRABWALK 01/20/2007 @ 08:10am
'bout as many as FRB. And you, I imagine. The difference between us is that I don't pretend that having a "D" or "R" beside one's name makes one inherently good or evil.
Posted by usc1 at 01/20/2007 @ 11:03am
FRB, those are the lamest comebacks someone could imagine in defense of your racist, bribe-taking, pedophilic (Democrats) but we do, of course, realize that's the best you have available.
Right back atcha, bub.
Posted by usc1 at 01/20/2007 @ 11:06am
It makes me sad that people are targeted for being Muslim in a country that is supposed to be a bastion of liberty. But, having said that, I do expect more from my country and believe that the majority of Americans are more tolerant than the hatemongers at Fox News.
Good ole' Roger Ailes, keeping the spirit of Nixon alive in our news media.
Posted by hhemwm at 01/20/2007 @ 11:32am
Ibblebibble, you posted:
"because what scares me about islam is not soe rightwing claptrap but this...
"when a danish magazine rather unwisely pulls a tasteless PR stunt that insults millions of muslims, they take to the streets in the thousands (millions?) and slaughter innocent people. the message they send to me is that they expect me to obey their religious dictates."
That wasn't Islam that reacted, it was angry Muslims. There is a difference.
There were a lot of reasons for that outburst which have absolutely nothing to do with Islam. As upsetting as those riots were, the answer to why something like that likely happened is not to be found in the Islamic faith but many of the global conditions and politics that have created such a polarized world.
It would be a mistake if people lost site of the differences between politics and the Islamic faith because in fearing Islam you fear ALL believers. That would be a shame because it is unnecessary and would spread a fear that would create a climate that would be ripe for persecution.
Posted by hhemwm at 01/20/2007 @ 11:38am
"That wasn't Islam that reacted, it was angry Muslims. There is a difference."
yes, indeed. good points all. the rioting muslims are from countries where their dictatorial rulers tell them constantly that all their problems are the fault of the west. kind of the way Bush operates here at home. they all ahve much bigger problems than some cartoons in a Danish paper.
Posted by johannesrolf at 01/20/2007 @ 11:55am
have.
Posted by johannesrolf at 01/20/2007 @ 11:56am
if they ever need a Munchurian candidate, I'm available, though foreign born and, like Arnie, ineligible for the top position.
Posted by johannesrolf at 01/20/2007 @ 11:59am
But of course, the 'usual suspects' won't let any actual facts get in the way of thier attempts to make it all about 'nasty Democratic infighting'.
Posted by LILLIAN 01/19/2007 @ 11:17pm | ignore this person
And then, right on cue...
Of course...after all no Democrat would EVER attack another Democrat, especially in a Presidential primary!
Posted by MASK 01/20/2007 @ 07:11am | ignore this person
Oh but wait, maybe that's just another of your attempts to throw a "super-big splash of cold water" so you can make sure "the libs here are so crushed down and disheartened" like you described your posts over on John Nichol's Cheney thread.
Can't have anybody get excited about Barack, eh Mask? Can't let the BS that the Dems are responsible for his swift boating get 'smacked down' by any inconvenient facts, now can you? Of course not...you've got to do your best to make it sound like anybody who doesn't buy that line MUST be some kind of blind adherent to all things Democratic who can't conceive aof anything beyond "All Democrats (except Lieberman) are GOOD and PURE and TRUE and all Republicans are evil, smearing, horrible monsters!!!!"
But wait, I've NEVER seen anything even remotely like that attitude displayed by anyone posting here at The Nation. Hmmm. Mask, are those nasty Dem voices talking in your head again? And are they the ones that prevent you from actually examining the facts?
Posted by Lillian at 01/20/2007 @ 12:06pm
Taking the thought of Barack Obama's possible muslim attachments to the next level brings up the possibility that a president with an indirect muslim backround may actually help relieve the hatered from muslim nations or to their people of course the wankers will laugh and point their finger saying this is impossible but what if?
Posted by dycel8r at 01/20/2007 @ 12:08pm
I am admittedly a long-time Obama supporter, but I am not even arguing that he should be elected president. He is a gifted and charismatic man, I have seen many people swoon in his presence and I think he has a lot to offer this country. Lacking in experience, he will either move people in a way we have not seen for decades, or he will be the VP nominee. If Hillary is half the man (oops) I think she is, she will set this straight in the very near future. She is not likely to win a presidential election without her husband and Obama campaigning relentlessly for her.
Posted by ratown at 01/20/2007 @ 12:11pm
It seems to me that if anything, Obama probably just isn't very religious. His joining a church does seem to be pure politicking. I wouldn't underestimate the terrorist-training potential of madrassas, though. In my opinion, all religion is war.
Posted by darneveryone at 01/20/2007 @ 12:13pm
It seems to me that if anything, Obama probably just isn't very religious. His joining a church does seem to be pure politicking. I wouldn't underestimate the terrorist-training potential of madrassas, though. In my opinion, all religion is war.
Posted by DARNEVERYONE 01/20/2007 @ 12:13am | ignore this person
c'mon now. a member of the church since '88? what an absurd post, from beginning to end.
religion is war? reminds me of Bush:"making war to keep the peace"
Posted by johannesrolf at 01/20/2007 @ 12:17pm
There are people in this country who will NEVER vote for a black man for president...not ever! There are also people in this country who will never vote for a Muslim for president...not ever...even if he was only exposed to the religion for a year or two when he was six years old. And, there are people in this coutry who will never vote for a Democrat for president...not ever...no matter who he is, what he has to offer, or who the Republican opponent might be.
The thing is, the majority of the people in any one of those groups...are exactly the same people in each of the other groups. We call them the 30%'ers. I believe Bush calls them his base.
Posted by Lillian at 01/20/2007 @ 12:18pm
"The thing is, the majority of the people in any one of those groups...are exactly the same people in each of the other groups. We call them the 30%'ers. I believe Bush calls them his base."
Lillian, I had to laugh when I read that because I think that is true about a segment of Bush's base but I do not think, in fairness, the GOP has a lock on those voters. There are people who are non-partisan in their hate. After all, political parties appeal to people for reasons that have nothing to do with their ontology. I can see people who hate minorities taking refuge all over the political spectrum.
Posted by hhemwm at 01/20/2007 @ 2:15pm
"It seems to me that if anything, Obama probably just isn't very religious. His joining a church does seem to be pure politicking. I wouldn't underestimate the terrorist-training potential of madrassas, though. In my opinion, all religion is war.'
Darneveryone, but if we are to follow your line of thinking than anyone who is religious is to be suspected and that does not make a lot of sense because it is incredibly arbitrary, if not impossible to define. If you start defining religious people as suspect then you have to define what a religious person actually is and we all know that there are many degrees of observance and faith. Observance and faith do not inexorably to acts of violence.
Posted by hhemwm at 01/20/2007 @ 2:18pm
do not inexorably LEAD to acts of violence.
Posted by hhemwm at 01/20/2007 @ 2:18pm
I hope we see a Black president and a Muslin president. I hope we see a gay president and a woman president and a Jewish president and a Native American president. . . I don't care what their gender, sexual orientation, religion or ethnicity is at all. I don't worry about a Mormon president either (the worries over Mitt Romney's Mormonism are ridiculous, frankly).
I want people of strong moral fiber and integrity running this country and no group, race, ethnicity, gender, creed has a monopoly on any of those virtues.
Posted by hhemwm at 01/20/2007 @ 2:24pm
Posted by HHEMWM 01/20/2007 @ 2:15pm | ignore this person
I agree with you that the GOP doesn't have a lock on those folks...for sure many of them come in other political 'flavors'. But it has been my perception that the GOP (in it's most recent 'neo con' personna) has targeted those folks, crafting their messages in a clear effort to capture their votes.
And I believe that yes, many, many decades ago, the Democrats did the same thing. Thank goodness those days are long in the past.
Posted by Lillian at 01/20/2007 @ 2:35pm
And I too long for the day when the casting of votes for our political leaders has NOTHING to do with the candidates sex, religion, or relative color of their skin.
Posted by Lillian at 01/20/2007 @ 2:37pm
Don't worry too much about the Republicans. They are just acting like losers - what they are best at - and they'll hopefully soon be extinct:
Posted by FROMREDBIRD
Red, lately a lot of your posts repeat the above thoughts in one form or fashion...why not just create an acronym for us so we can save time when reading your posts...something like, ROTVOE (republican on the verge of extinction) or something like that...And, those who agree with you can just say ditto, and save us even more time and space........
And, remember, If you repeat it often enough, you'll really start to believe it..(heh, heh)
Posted by davebarlett at 01/20/2007 @ 8:06pm
FROMREDTURD'S an idiot and a coward. Take this crap of yours to Iraq, you wimp!
Posted by woodyee at 01/20/2007 @ 10:46pm
"The smear campaign has begun: Fox News is touting the fantasy that the Illinois Senator is a covert Muslim with a secret radical history."
Uh, he is! That's why the left is so in love with him.
Posted by woodyee at 01/20/2007 @ 10:48pm
The immoral and hysterical satanizing of any left-ish candidate continues to be the strategy of the right. We have come to expect this from Fox. I am afraid that I must therefore also suspect the autheticity of those who who appear to be innocent readers who post responses on this site reporting they are now shocked by these revelations and feel their support of Obama has to now be re-evaluated, or that Obama is really in trouble now. The same thing happened to the Clintons, to Kerry, and to many others. What I have found as a person who prosecutes civil rights cases for a living is that when the bigots cannot attack the substance of important evidence, they have to cast any possible doubt they can on the integrity of the witnesses who in fact saw reprehensible conduct, and will stoop to any means necessary to do so. Here, instead of dealing with Obama's policy proposals (which indeed could use some vetting), which they do not have the integrity to do, they pose false issues about his integrity. They lost their moral rudder when Roy Cohn died.
Posted by ps_sf at 01/21/2007 @ 12:25am
Well, my brother underwent three religious conversions before the age of seven or so, and no, he didn't turn into a terrorist (grin). We moved to Somalia right after independence in 1960 and my brother was four at the time. He became close to our night watchman who was a Sunni imam, or community religious leader (at the time Somalia was a Muslim country but not fanatically religious by any account). Soon Andy was laying out a towl near Ahmed and reciting Muslim prayers. My mother was bemused but let him do it. When he was ready for pre-school she enrolled him in the Montressori school, a progressive Italian institution but Andy would have no part of it. First day of school he crawled under a bush in the yard and wouldn't come out, noway, and none of the teachers could convince him otherwise. The only other school in town for us furriners was that run by the Catholic nuns. Andy loved it! Obviously he wanted the discipline. Soon he was scotch-taping little Madonna and child cards to the wall near his bed and praying to Christ before going to sleep. I should perhaps mention that we were a Jewish family, though my parents were not religious. Eventually Andy figured out that we were Jewish and though never particularly religious he went with that. Moral of the story: whatever school you go to at such young ages doesn't necessarily have much impact on your life further on down the road, so these accusations of Obama's background should be taken with a liberal (sic) grain of salt.
Posted by ncm at 01/21/2007 @ 4:00pm
OBAMA=ROVE'S DREAM OPPONENT The GOP and its big-money supporters are putting the media spotlight on Obama, to push his nomination, to sink the Dem's in '08. Obama has NO chance of winning the general election. As a black (product of an interracial marriage between a black man and a white woman), yuppy lawyer, DLCer ('free-trader'), and glib BS artist, he represents everything that white working people hate, fear and despise, and will line-up with the GOP to vote against. The guy doesn't even have a real track record at winning elections for national office. His senate win in 04' was against another black candidate who was even weaker than him, namely Alan Keyes who was a complete wacko.
Posted by wgilwood at 01/21/2007 @ 7:57pm
Which is worse? Having step-father who is a "Radical Muslim"?... ... or a Mother who is... ...an "ATHEIST" !
Posted by Ungodly at 01/21/2007 @ 9:23pm
I got the same email from a right of center brother of mine. He suggested that the Swiftboating had begun and it has been done so by the "Clinton Camp." I did some research on my own--a little more than Googling, as another reader said he'd done, which ISN'T enough--I have access to Lexus Nexus--and NOWHERE could I find any link to Hilary or the "Clinton Camp." Everything I found has come from some rightwing blogger or Fox News or ABC. I don't believe for a second that this has come from Clinton.
On another note, some of this is true of course, but who cares, really? This is just another way to make sure that FEAR stays in the media and that the general population votes out of Fear and not out of intellect.
Posted by grjunctguy at 01/21/2007 @ 11:04pm
On the Obama bashing, there is no proof that the repubs did it, nor the Clinton camp...but one has to ask, Why now? Why not save it for an October surprise in 2008, if it was a republican dirty trick?
And, who benefits? For now, Hillary, says the conventional wisdom....later.......Barack Obama, because if there is any hint of truth to the story, it will have died down by 2008, much as Clinton's Jennifer Flowers scandal was a non-issue by the time the votes were cast.
Not that I'm suggesting that Obama's people actually started the whispering, but stranger things have happened.....
Posted by davebarlett at 01/21/2007 @ 11:50pm
I had no idea how closed minded the readers of The Nation are until I read these posts.
You people are racist.
p.s. and Hillary's got my vote.
Posted by Reader6 at 01/22/2007 @ 12:54am
Obama's indirect Muslim connections (discounting smear tactics) would be wonderful for the US and for our position in the world. Not only would we have a minority president--inestimably great for racial healing in this country--but one who could begin to redress the hatred of the US in the Muslim world and also be the first president with the ability to take a fair approach to solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict by actually treating the Palestinians as humans. Obama can always make up for lack of personal experience by building a great team around him. We desperately need him or someone like him now.
Posted by feinfein at 01/22/2007 @ 02:40am
Posted by LILLIAN 01/20/2007 @ 12:06am
Geez, this woman has a hard time with Reading Comp....can we get her into a community college or something?
Read ADAM HOWARD (it's on a magazine website called "www.thenation.com"...maybe you've heard of it)....
he's defending Obama....from the attackers on the LEFT, not Right!
Let me quote it (and not just paraphrase from "months of threads")...
BLOG | Posted 01/18/2007 @ 09:55am--In Defense of Obama--Adam Howard
"Yet progressives are skeptical. They assail his voting record, when it's actually one of the most progressive we have to choose from."
Or how about this from Harper's (www.harpers.org)...no right-wing bastion-
"It's not always clear what Obama's financial backers want, but it seems safe to conclude that his campaign contributors are not interested merely in clean government and political reform. And although Obama is by no means a mouthpiece for his funders, it appears that he's not entirely indifferent to their desires either.
Consider the case of Illinois-based Exelon Corporation, the nation's leading nuclear-power-plant operator. The firm is Obama's fourth largest patron, having donated a total of $74,350 to his campaigns. During debate on the 2005 energy bill, Obama helped to vote down an amendment that would have killed vast loan guarantees for power-plant operators to develop new energy projects."
"The loan guarantees were called "one of the worst provisions in this massive piece of legislation" by Taxpayers for Common Sense and Citizens Against Government Waste; the public will not only pay millions of dollars in loan costs but will risk losing billions of dollars if the companies default."
"In one of his earliest votes, Obama joined a bloc of mostly conservative and moderate Senate Democrats who helped pass a G.O.P.-driven class-action "reform" bill. The bill had been long sought by a coalition of business groups and was lobbied for aggressively by financial firms, which constitute Obama's second biggest single bloc of donors."
Posted by Mask at 01/22/2007 @ 09:40am
I am an Indonesian and Indonesian journalist already investigated since July 2006 that Barack Obama (formerly known as Barry Soetoro) attended Franciscus Assisi Elementary School, a catholic institution, and Percobaan Elementary school.
The second is not an Islamic school. He was being truthful in stating that he studied in Muslim since Indonesia's population is overwhelmingly Moslem. It's like any school in Italy (where I am now) is predominantly, at least nominally, Catholic. On Indonesia's Islamic schooll, even Thomas Friedman was surprised by the cosmopolitan nature of the Islamic schools when he visited Indonesia.
Click the following link from Detik.com, a top Indonesian news site, and get an Indonesian translator to read it: http://jkt1.detiknews.com/index.php/detik.read/tahun/2006/bulan/07/tgl/0 7/time/102625/idnews/631077/idkanal/10
Posted by berly at 01/22/2007 @ 10:07am
Posted by MASK 01/22/2007 @ 09:40am | ignore this person
Sure Mask, that certainly proves the Dems are responsible for swift boating Obama. Yes, sir, Adam Howard's statement that "progressives are skeptical"...why that proves beyond all doubt that this swift boating MUST be a prime example of the progressives eating their own...it couldn't be the neocons...again.
Mask, I know you sometimes get all wrapped up in the ACT of arguing and trying to make 'points' that are sometimes really lame (remember how you argued for days that Jon Stewart was going to unemployed soon because the Republicans were now out of power based on the 'fact' that he only joked about Repubs). But sometimes, you just need to step back and take a look at what you're trying to argue ABOUT.
Posted by Lillian at 01/22/2007 @ 10:31am
And as to this little condescending tidbit…
Geez, this woman has a hard time with Reading Comp....can we get her into a community college or something?
…no thanks Mask…I've already been to 6 years of private college…2 degrees…and have spent a couple of stints teaching reading (and reading comp). You, on the other hand, have demonstrated a rather clear need to attend such a class yourself. Better yet, try starting with remedial English…the class that focuses on the proper use of punctuation…particularly the use of ‘quotes'. You obviously missed that class.
Posted by Lillian at 01/22/2007 @ 10:39am
Please, let's not refer to "Fox News" any longer but Faux News. "We dissemble, You believe."
Posted by ncben at 01/22/2007 @ 10:46am
Whether Obama is now either an atheist, an agnostic or actually a Christian, he was (once, briefly, perhaps) a believing Moslem. Who knows for sure? At any rate, this would add to his groundbreaking qualities, as the first colored and first ex Moslem president. Were he to be elected as VP, together with Hillary (which seems to me to be a much more sensible and attractive proposition), then groundbreaking qualities would abound: first woman pres and first colored ex-moslem vice-pres. Assuming that control of Congress were to be retained, or even increased, in 2008, this would probably constitute the most spectacular return to complete power of a political party in US history. Obama's connection to the third world, be it in the form of Kenya, Indonesia or Islam, would also be very useful for the US. Try looking at some of the third world websites and chatrooms out there. Yes, it is a quite different world and, accordingly, has a different view of things, different traditions, different priorities. And it's a lot larger and more problematic than we are. Tuning into it a little more might be useful both for the third world itself and also for a more informed pursuit of our own self-interest.
Posted by mdaly39 at 01/22/2007 @ 11:01am
Senator Obama does a pretty good chapter on his "religiosity" and in-depth and thoughtful search for a place to hang his faith. It is in The Adacity of Hope and is called "Faith".
...During the five years that we would live with my stepfather in Indonesia, I was sent first to a neighborhood Catholic school and then to a predominantly Muslim school; in both cases, my mother was less concerned with me learning the catechism or puzzling out the meaning of the muezzin's call to evening prayer than she was with whether I was poperly learning my multiplicaton tables...
Barak Obama, The Adacity of Hope pp.204 copyright 2006/Crown Publishers, all rights reserved.
How silly for me to suggest that one go to the source for an answer... I mean, why READ when you can have someone at FauxsNooze SCREAM it at you?
-T
Posted by Hajji at 01/22/2007 @ 11:35am
Mask and Rio Bravo are trolls. Pathetic little trolls who spend an awful lot of time hanging out on this liberal website. Why? What's the point guys? You have no desire for actual dialog. You seem to refuse to accept that any liberal/progressive has any value as a person, or that they might have valid points or views, so why waste your time here? Is it a craving for attention? Maybe you can't get enough attention on townhall.com, so you come here flame the libs and then enjoy your moment. Any, thanks for contributing nothing to civil politics. These comments sections in general have become a complete waste of time. The web equivalent of "The Flavor of Love" on MTV. Utterly useless.
Posted by elfrijole at 01/22/2007 @ 11:43am
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Posted by wink at 01/22/2007 @ 12:04pm
Posted by LILLIAN 01/22/2007 @ 10:31am
Gee, LIL...can you QUOTE me on saying that "Jon Stewart will be unemployed if Republicans lose the Congress"? (And until Bush leaves the WH, they're not "out of power").
How about a quote where I said the "Dems are responsible for the swift-boating of Obama"?
As for your collegiate creditentials.....I know a guy who has a MBA from Yale...and he's considered a "cowboy fascist moron" by some!
Posted by Mask at 01/22/2007 @ 12:15pm
Pretty telling that Faux has to resort to someone's perfectly legal habit/addiction and his couple of childhood years of beint SENT BY HIS PARENTS to certain religious-affiliated schools. (I was blessed by 12 years in a Catholic school, myself, but not for the reasons of religiosity.)
If that's all they've got, well...uhm, bring it on!
-T
Posted by Hajji at 01/22/2007 @ 12:17pm
Posted by ELFRIJOLE 01/22/2007 @ 11:43am
The fact that you equate me and RIO shows where you stand too ELF.
Obviously your in-depth analysis of my postings (what? one or two) indicates that, since I disagree with LILLIAN (and you of course), I MUST fall into the same category as a Hard Right Christian fundamentalist who still supports this stupid war in Iraq.
Of course you COULD have asked me and TRIED to have an "actual dialog"...
but then that would mean not having a blanket label of "troll" for anybody who doesn't share your point of view!
Posted by Mask at 01/22/2007 @ 12:19pm
And again, I get more proof for my assertion that Obama should hold off on the whole presidential thing.
The American people aren't ready...and I wouldn't be so ready to put this on the Repubs. Having seen what the DLC did to Howard Dean, I wouldn't put it past them.
And Zero wants to say that I'm one of them...Que barbaridad!
Posted by edwriter at 01/22/2007 @ 2:24pm
EDWRITER:
It always amuses me how people who feel their candidate doesn't have a good chance of winning then "enlighteningly" declare that the country wasn't "ready" for him (or her) I have more faith in the American people than that, and it should occur to you that the candidates measure had simply been taken and found wanting.
chip
Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 01/22/2007 @ 4:25pm
The American public is desperate to vote for an educated, white-cultured African American Presidential candidate to prove to everyone that we're not as racist as we really are. Just look at the efforts to get Colin Powell to run in 2000.
Unfortunately we're even more xenophobic than we are racist. Just ask the Irish, Italians, Jews, Chinese, Puerto Ricans, Germans, Japanese, Mexicans and essentially anyone not White-English-Protestant who has emigrated to the U.S.
I've always told people that the race card wouldn't play on Obama but the not-really-American card would. Especially the his-fathers-were-not-Americans-and-were-muslims aspect. Looks like it has already begun.
Actually, watching it manifest itself at this extremely early stage in the campaign is somewhat heartening. The republicans must be that afraid of him.
I've been reading his memoir "Dreams From My Father" and am simply spellbound. The man can write! His insight into the African-American experience is both deep and compelling, and his ability to convey that to the reader is really more poetry than prose.
Whichever candidate the Democratic Party nominates I will campaign for until I drop dead of exhaustion. But if I had my choice, I would want someone as smart as Bill Clinton and as ruthless as Richard Nixon. Its going to take someone like that to get us out of the monumental messes the republican party has gotten us into over the last 7 years. And I don't just mean the war but the deficits, the complete and utter breakdown of our health care system, the accelerating gap between the haves and have-nots; I could go on and on but we all know the list.
Hillary fits the bill on this one but she generates so much hatred in the conservative ranks (something I've never really understood - she's actually quite conservative herself) that I think they would swamp her in the general election. Not really that impressed with anyone but Barack and Hillary at the moment. Perhaps Wesley Clark will throw in his hat.
Really I'm more concerned about who the republicans will nominate. If they nominate another rabid right-wing nut (Sam Brownback comes to mind) I'm gonna be scared. If they nominate someone like Giuliani I will rest easy.
Posted by Neal Jettpace at 01/22/2007 @ 5:53pm
Gee, LIL...can you QUOTE me on saying that "Jon Stewart will be unemployed if Republicans lose the Congress"?
Posted by MASK 01/22/2007 @ 12:15am | ignore this person
Oh so sad, Mask. Still can't quite grasp the whole quotes thing, poor baby.
OK, one more time...I didn't quote you. Did you notice there were no quotes? I paraphrased what you said. If I was to quote your exact words on the subject...it would look just like this...
Seriously....come about January 21, 2009....
Will Jon Stewart be unemployed?
I mean...if Dems take Congress this year, and Bill Moyers (according to Mr Nichols) becomes President....
what WILL "The Daily Show" make fun of?
Posted by MASK 11/01/2006 @ 2:35pm | ignore this person
...and this...
Seriously....hehe...what CAN he joke about? Republicans? When they are in the minority and have no power?
I know those that just like lame-o "Repubs suck" jokes (uh, LILLIAN) might buy it...but not for long and not in large numbers.
No...poor Jon is probably putting everything into mutual funds as we speak, for the Crash of '09 (the Humor Crash) when Dubya is gone and he and the staff at "DS" have to pack it up.
Posted by MASK 11/01/2006 @ 8:15pm | ignore this person
I'm sorry Mask, are you trying to say I somehow paraphrased your lame point incorrectly?...that those direct quotes meant something different?
Posted by Lillian at 01/22/2007 @ 6:12pm
How about a quote where I said the "Dems are responsible for the swift-boating of Obama"?
Posted by MASK 01/22/2007 @ 12:15am | ignore this person
Again Mask, right now, you're over on the 'Shaken By Obama' thread posting this...
Another "vicious right-wing smear of Obama"?....
Posted by MASK 01/22/2007 @ 2:20pm | ignore this person
...with a long cut and paste from a newsday.com article that starts off "Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's pollster fired an opening salvo at Sen. Barack Obama and John Edwards yesterday,...) Are you claiming you had some other point you were trying to support with that?
Posted by Lillian at 01/22/2007 @ 6:29pm
Yeah, we can always depend on Faux News "We dissemble, you decipher."
Posted by ncben at 01/23/2007 @ 10:39am
Too much religion for me anyway. Madrasa or Catholic school, what is the difference? Do we preffer our (christian) nonsense over their's (muslim) nonsense? Vote for person that follows the Reason.
Posted by kmecko at 01/23/2007 @ 11:55am
Wow, Chip, are you off!
My belief that Obama shouldn't run has nothing to do with his competence. I think that he's a much stronger candidate than all of the folks who want to throw up the "experience" card would like to admit.
It's just that being black, female, and a longtime citizen of this country, I don't have the faith the faith in the American voter that you do. I also have the example of two terms of George W. Bush to back me up on that lack of faith.
I'm more concerned about Obama's family than I am the man himself. I've met him and I think that he can hold his own. But I also think that in the current climate in which we find ourselves, he's got more rumors like this whole "Fox madrassa" thing to look forward to. His wife and kids are going to have to put up with this shit and why? Because his Kenyan father gave him a name reflective of his heritage.
That's why I say that the American people aren't ready for him. When a man's name can lead to charges of him being a terrorist, this country still has much too far to go.
Posted by edwriter at 01/23/2007 @ 4:52pm
This reply is going to be short. Now every time a minority(notice I didn't say black) their is someone who wants to smear their personality, religion, maybe even their race. They say that a man has the freedom of religion. If the author of the original message is reading this, then I pose a question to you. What religion that the Ku Klux Klan practice, and they still exist, and some are like wolves in sheep clothing(they're wearing a disquise). If you can't answer the question I'll tell you Christianity. You have American terrorist that have been killing people(not just blacks)since well over 150 years, but very few ever get prosecuted. And you know if they do, without public pressure from so-called civil rights leaders. Then they're only convicted of violation of one's civil rights. Besides very seldom, do people ever bring up G.W.Bush true religion or societies that he's a member of. So before we blast a person, we first must find out who they are( and even if you don't know their religion. Christianity is not practiced in the way it's supposed to either. So before you throw a stone, be prepared to get hit by one too. Good Bless
Posted by Groove0075 at 01/25/2007 @ 5:53pm