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In his contribution to Going Rouge: An American Nightmare, The Nation's Washington, D.C. Editor, Chris Hayes, quotes a joke from a friend in publishing: In the future the Internet will consist entirely of Sarah Palin slide shows. It was disheartening this week to watch the exhaustive coverage of Sarah Palin's book Going Rogue and see so few serious responses to the substance of her book. (And yes, there is substance.) The AP fact-checked Palin, but gone almost completely unanswered are many of the policy prescriptions she is injecting into the political debate: Tax cuts to stimulate job growth (been there, didn't work) and drill, baby, drill as an energy policy.
Fortunately, Going Rouge managed to inject some sanity into the debate. Here's video of Naomi Klein on Wednesday's Joy Behar Show, commenting about Palin's economic policies and her role in the healthcare debate. And here's a great video from GRIT TV, where The Nation's Richard Kim, Max Blumenthal, Salon's Rebecca Traister and Alaskan blogger Shannyn Moore discuss Palin's record in Alaska, and how her policy prescriptions would impact women in America. And here's a thoughtful review of both books from Inside Higher Education.
Lastly, here's a podcast of NPR's On Point from Friday. I was on for the full hourlong week in review--topics were Palin, mammograms and healthcare.
With Palin moving (hopefully) off the stage for the time being, the focus of debate can turn to Afghanistan. President Obama is expected to make his announcement on troop levels sometime after Thanksgiving; we can only hope that before he does, he watches the stunning--and disturbing--Bill Moyers Journal from Friday night. Moyers, in one of his finest pieces of reporting and analysis, described here in detail by John Nichols--walks viewers through four years of LBJ's phone calls and conversations about Vietnam. The phone call audio, much of it recently surfaced and rarely heard, is riveting, and the parallels to Afghanistan are far from subtle. You can see echoes of Johnson in President Obama's recent demands for more options in Afghanistan. As I tweeted this weekend, the Johnson tapes reveal that LBJ and Sen. Russell were more scared of the U.S. right-wing than of the Vietcong; we can only hope Obama doesn't walk the same path.
Please read John's post, and watch this important piece of television.
Three other items this week:
1 - We had a great time last week at The Nation's Salon on the future of culture, with Tony Kushner and Walter Mosley. Toni Morrison couldn't make it due to a bad flu but Wallace Shawn was a lively last minute addition to the panel; we'll have video of the full event up in December and DVDs available. And this week we'll have an interview posted with Kushner about his views on climate change, and the response to the crisis from the creative community.
2 - We wanted to extend a welcome to Huffington Post in the realm of sports reporting. Our Sports Editor Dave Zirin has been on the beat for years in The Nation, and I'm a big fan of a special issue down the road exploring the intersections of sports, culture and politics. (I'm also a long-suffering Knicks fan.) We're glad to see HuffPo embrace the value of thought-provoking sports coverage.
3 - Finally, this week is The Nation's annual Fall Books issue. Great pieces from Laila Lalami, Jose Prieto and others mark an issue that spans the globe--almost every piece in this year's Fall Books looks outside the United States, capturing ideas and literary trends from around the world. The issue is up on Wednesday, but we'll have a sneak preview (and a great video) on Monday.
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too funny:
"Millions of copies will be sold of a book written by someone who can't write, intended for an audience that doesn't read, about the thoughts of a person who doesn't think."
http://www.ginandtacos.com/2009/11/17/going-rogue/
not funny:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/65992 81/Societe-Generale-tells-clients-how-to-prepare-for- global-collapse.html
Posted by frosty zoom at 11/22/2009 @ 11:05am
KvH: "Here's video of........"
I very rarely have an interest in anything Sat. Nite Live has to present.....been the case since the days the original crew left......but the skit below is a Must See but......Magic faithfuls will think it as X-rated!
http://msunderestimated.com/2009/11/21/snl- obama-jintao-press-conference-in-beijing-video/
Posted by Happy at 11/22/2009 @ 12:02pm
>>>the Johnson tapes reveal that LBJ and Sen. Russell were more scared of the U.S. right-wing than of the Vietcong; we can only hope Obama doesn't walk the same path.<<<
Jimmy Carter is the more appropriate analogy that must be considered, as it was his perceived weakness in the Iran Hostage Crisis that gave us 30 years of Reagan Revolution.
Those 30 years had a much greater human toll on the poor and the middle class than the war in Afghanistan.
Posted by Metteyya at 11/22/2009 @ 12:49pm
Hostage Crisis that gave us 30 years of Reagan Revolution.
Those 30 years had a much greater human toll on the poor and the middle class than the war in Afghanistan.
Posted by Metteyya at 11/22/2009 @ 12:49pm
And thank God Reagan did...it gave us the largest expansion of wealth across the board and saved us from more Carter collapses...
And those who managed to miss the prosperity of the 80s under Reagan will and would also miss the prosperity of the 90s and 2000s....
one has to be prepard for opportunity as it comes along...and graduating High School with 5th grade reading level provided by the schools of today and what bthey crap out in a future of hourly work. Perfect for dem voters.
Too bad Reagan couldn't have done to the teachers union what he did to Patco....maybe we would have a generation who could read their diplomas and advance into areas where industry demands...instead og future union workers for govt medical service.
Posted by YourJomamma at 11/22/2009 @ 1:16pm
yourjomamma-it's your fault that your kids can't read their diplomas.Don't blame the teachers union for your failures.
Posted by i'm nobody at 11/22/2009 @ 1:20pm
"Millions of copies will be sold of a book written by someone who can't write, intended for an audience that doesn't read, about the thoughts of a person who doesn't think."
Posted by frosty zoom at 11/22/2009 @ 11:05am | ignore this person | warn this person
LMAO!!!
"my days of taking you half serious are coming to a definite middle."
my feelings about saracuda...i still love the "firefly" series...lol...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/22/2009 @ 1:22pm
And yet another piece knocking Sarah Palin.
Katrina, do you have any teen age daughters, say around 14 years old? Have any of them ever been knocked up by Alex Rodriquez?
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/22/2009 @ 1:45pm
Posted by Metteyya at 11/22/2009 @ 12:49pm
You're a black guy. How do you feel when you see Obama bowing to people? Be honest now.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/22/2009 @ 1:46pm
Posted by YourJomamma at 11/22/2009 @ 1:16pm | ignore this person | warn this perso
of the two main teacher's unions, i'd have to agree about the NEA embodies all the worst educababbling absurdity and reality denying idiocy that has plagued education for the last four plus decades.
the AFT actually represented teachers and bucked some of the educababble at one point...
but i don't think you understand what goes on in education, and your natural urge to villainize most those with the least power and under the worst pressure (the classroom teachers) and take a non sequitur shot at all unions is to be expected, i suppose.
if you want to spew about education, sure, i'm all for it - but spew at those who are really effing the pooch - the top heavy bureaucracy chock full of troublemakers with EED's and educational PHD's and god help us those with master's degrees in torturing teachers and lying to students, parents, and anybody else about education, what its capable of, what it is and should be doing...
but honestly here's something i learned long ago from watching nature shows...
not all the young reach adulthood.
we cannot educate every child and education cannot "solve all the problems" all by itself and under the current tyranny of happy educababbling bullshit ducktalk and to continue beating ourselves up over it is stupid, irresponsible and pointless.
here's a good lesson for a kid to learn...don't work, fuck around, fail!!!!
and hey "good" parents! your kid is not an extension of you, is not your pet, and might not be as awesome as you think...hell, he or she might even end up a bum or worse.
oh, and for the other type of idiot breeder, the bottom breeder...get spayed or neutered and cease spewing out onto the world horrible little versions of yourself.
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/22/2009 @ 1:58pm
Too bad Reagan couldn't have done to the teachers union what he did to Patco....maybe we would have a generation who could read their diplomas and advance into areas where industry demands...instead og future union workers for govt medical service.
Posted by YourJomamma at 11/22/2009 @ 1:16pm | ignore this person | warn this person
yeah, i most admire reagan for being lucky enough to have been a sitting president during the iran-iraq war and benefiting from the unnaturally low crude prices that resulted for a decade as a consequence of two of the biggest oil producers undercutting the hell out of each other in order to make enough money to happily slaughter each other...
oh the good old days when the islamic world was divided and fractured and WE were the prime beneficiaries!!!
but those days ended long ago and aren't we glad we did not follow stupid ol' jimmy carter's alternative energy initiatives???
stupid ants - working and planning and slaving away for the future and not expecting to get a medal for it!!!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/22/2009 @ 2:11pm
Posted by Metteyya at 11/22/2009 @ 12:49pm
You're a black guy. How do you feel when you see Obama bowing to people? Be honest now.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/22/2009 @ 1:46pm
Wouldn't touch this one with a ten foot pole huh Mett?
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/22/2009 @ 2:33pm
gunslinger-Obama is half white so it may be his white half that is doing the bowing.
Posted by i'm nobody at 11/22/2009 @ 2:40pm
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/22/2009 @ 1:46pm
You're a white guy. How do you feel when you see Dubya holding hands with Arab princes? Be honest now.
Posted by Mask at 11/22/2009 @ 2:56pm
Good one Mask.
Posted by Denise29 at 11/22/2009 @ 3:01pm
Posted by Mask at 11/22/2009 @ 2:56pm | ignore this person | warn this person
gunny wants to pick a fight. he's here for an argument...(no i'm not! yes you are! no i'm not!)
well, it is the perfect place for it...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/22/2009 @ 3:04pm
"Tax cuts to stimulate job growth (been there, didn't work)"
Utter nonsense. I guess Katrina wants us to go back to pre-Reagan America and the recession of the Carter years.
The very idea of "tax cuts" for the rich is absurd. It suggests that the rich pay less than the middle class.
If you have more wealth, it is only because you have created more wealth. Those who create wealth and conceive of new inventions create jobs. The more money they have to expand successful businesses, the more jobs they are free to create. When the government steals money from the most productive citizens to give it to the least productive to subsidize and reward their failures, it harms the economy. And every dollar the government spends to "create jobs" is a dollar taken from the private sector that would have been spent more efficiently by the private sector if the government had not taken it.
The only rational and moral policy is a flat tax.
"and drill, baby, drill as an energy policy."
There is more oil in The Gulf of Mexico and Alaska than Saudi Arabia. Why do liberals love brutal Middle Eastern dictatorships so much?
Posted by rightwingnutcase at 11/22/2009 @ 3:26pm
Liberals have to understand that their welfare state has accumulated between 50 and 60 trillion dollars in mandated fiscal entitlements that the government has promised to pay in the future and that this is more than the net household worth of the entire United States. Unless our economy grows in the double digits every year for the next 75 years, we are, in a word, doomed.
Liberals may think that their welfare state helps the poor, but in reality, the poor are hurt the most by the printing of money that is needed to finance this unsustainable welfare state and by the inflation and loss of purchasing power that result from it.
Posted by rightwingnutcase at 11/22/2009 @ 3:32pm
Posted by rightwingnutcase at 11/22/2009 @ 3:26pm | ignore this person | warn this person
but people's use of such fuels has nothing to do with climate change, right?
7 billion shaved apes spewing filth currently, probably some 20-50 billion since the industrial revolution, and no possibility of such having an impact on the environment of the planet?
some of that carib oil is in commernist cuba, but since we won't trade with them commernists since less than one percent of our nation's population consists of the descendants of cuban expatriots who all seem to care more about where they are from than where they are...
looks like the chinese will benefit from that oil reserve...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/22/2009 @ 3:52pm
"but people's use of such fuels has nothing to do with climate change, right?"
There is no proof of climate change, but, the Kyoto Protocol would not do a thing to impact it even if it were definitely occurring. In order to ensure this catastrophe never occurred, we would have to turn the whole world into Somalia.
Luckily, our economy is naturally moving forward on a long-term path to a point where we will not rely on fossil fuels by itself, without any regulations being needed to achieve this goal.
Are you one of those loons that think the Industrial Revolution was a bad thing?
Posted by rightwingnutcase at 11/22/2009 @ 4:01pm
Are you one of those loons that think the Industrial Revolution was a bad thing?
Posted by rightwingnutcase at 11/22/2009 @ 4:01pm | ignore this person | warn this person
i'm a loon, but not one of those. i firmly believe in progress and sometimes progress has undesired complications, but without the industrial revolution luddites would likely have other worries, like 70% infant mortality rate, widespread periodic starvation, and all sorts of time consuming chores and activities that would leave little or no time for reflection and luxuries like we take for granted.
i also credit creditable scientists, though...a critical mass of them seems to be convinced that anthropogenic causes are at least a major factor in the equation.
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/22/2009 @ 4:17pm
Posted by Mask at 11/22/2009 @ 2:56pm
I thought it was one of the silliest things I've ever seen. But as you know, I'm an independent so I really wasn't a GWB fan either. I don't recall him bowing to anyone in a subservient gesture they way Obama does.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/22/2009 @ 4:25pm
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/22/2009 @ 3:04pm
Not looking to pick a fight at all. I just recall the messiah like worship that the black community, a very proud community that had risen from slavery in this country, had for Obama because of his blackness, and now that he's running around bowing to people, not a peep is heard from that so-called proud community.
Where is the outcry from black leaders in Congress, some of whom were quite prominent in the civil rights era? Where is Al Sharpton and the Rev. Jackson? Or how about the esteemed Rev. Wright? Not a peep. I just can't visualize any of them bowing to anyone period, protocol or no protocol.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/22/2009 @ 4:30pm
The silence is deafening.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/22/2009 @ 4:31pm
Posted by rightwingnutcase at 11/22/2009 @ 3:32pm
An administration and a political party that does not care if they lose their seats could care less if the country is doomed. They have a point to proove and God damn it they are going to proove it. Remember Obama telling ACORN and SEIU that they would be making policy in his administration? Well, there you have it.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/22/2009 @ 4:34pm
Anyone who thinks that this is about health care for poor people is full of shit.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/22/2009 @ 4:34pm
Does anyone know if KVH has a teen daughter who may have been knocked up by Yankee third baseman ARod? There's a rumor that liberals thought it was hysterical when that comment was made about Sarah Palin's daughter. Is it funny now?
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/22/2009 @ 4:41pm
Sorry Katrina, I know you have an eighteen year old daughter. I think you get my point. I don't remember reading anywhere here the brutal treatment that Sarah Palin has recieved. In fact, your publication is one of the worst offenders.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/22/2009 @ 4:44pm
>>>and graduating High School with 5th grade reading level provided by the schools of today and what bthey crap out in a future of hourly work. Perfect for dem voters.
Too bad Reagan couldn't have done to the teachers union what he did to Patco....maybe we would have a generation who could read their diplomas and advance into areas where industry demands...instead og future union workers for govt medical service.
Posted by YourJomamma at 11/22/2009 @ 1:16pm<<<
You can't put that on the teachers union. Crappy schools, especially in the inner-city, are a direct result of inadequate funding and approaches to education that do not inspire intellectual curiosity and academic achievement.
It is hard for some kids emotionally when there dad is not around, in prison or dead.
And the post-Reagan targeting by law enforcement and prosecutors of black and Latino men for excessive incarceration for non-violent offenses has completely destabilized many families in urban areas where these kids go to school, and has deprived many schools in these areas of needed funding that was shifted to building more prisons.
The key to better schools is to reverse the Reagan inspired "tough on crime" policies with "smart on crime" policies. It is "smart on crime" to rehabilitate during and after punishment for crimes, as this reverses our 77%-within-3-years recidivism rate, providing more funding for schools by closing or reorienting some prisons and jails so that they are focused on making the offender a successful taxpaying member of society rather than a drain on the taxpayer.
Rewarding those who decide to turn their life around with the right to vote also makes sense, and new laws that force all states to allow ex-offenders to vote after completing parole should be pursued.
Posted by Metteyya at 11/22/2009 @ 4:59pm
some of that carib oil is in commernist cuba, but since we won't trade with them commernists since less than one percent of our nation's population consists of the descendants of cuban expatriots who all seem to care more about where they are from than where they are...
looks like the chinese will benefit from that oil reserve...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/22/2009 @ 3:52pm
Cuba doesn't have oil. they import from Venezuela
Posted by antisocialist at 11/22/2009 @ 5:59pm
"looks like the chinese will benefit from that oil reserve..."
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/22/2009 @ 3:52pm
"Cuba doesn't have oil. they import from Venezuela"
Posted by antisocialist at 11/22/2009 @ 5:59pm
READ, Anti. He wrote "oil reserve."
Posted by FLaim at 11/22/2009 @ 6:50pm
If you have more wealth, it is only because you have created more wealth.
Posted by rightwingnutcase at 11/22/2009 @ 3:26pm | ignore this person
Or,
stolen it,
inherited it,
won it.
Posted by Blair Wooff at 11/22/2009 @ 7:03pm
Posted by Blair Wooff at 11/22/2009 @ 7:03pm
Are you saying that you should not be entitled to keep property willed to you or that you won in a lottery?
How often does one become rich through thievery? In any case, stolen wealth is not legally recognized as your property.
Your real goal is to suggest that, since all individuals must be equal and interchangeable in all respects, some accomplishing more than others must secretly reveal a hidden oppression of the less successful individuals.
Posted by rightwingnutcase at 11/22/2009 @ 7:19pm
Cuba doesn't have oil. they import from Venezuela
Posted by antisocialist at 11/22/2009 @ 5:59pm
04 NOVEMBER 2009 -
Cuba and Russia sign first post-Soviet oil deal
By News Wires (text)
AFP - Cuba and Russia signed an agreement Monday to allow Russian state oil company Zarubezhneft to explore for and produce oil in Cuba in their first post-Soviet oil pact.
"The contracts that were signed are tremendously important for Russia and Cuba, since they will guarantee cooperation over the next 25 years," said Nikolai Brunich, a Zarubezhneft official after inking the deal with the head of Cuba's state oil company Cubapetroleo (CUPET), Fidel Rivero.
Cuban authorities announced in October 2008 that Cuba had crude reserves of 21 billion barrels -- more than double previous estimates.
Posted by frosty zoom at 11/22/2009 @ 7:23pm
In any case, stolen wealth is not legally recognized as your property.
Posted by rightwingnutcase at 11/22/2009 @ 7:19pm
so you agree the israelis should abandon their "settlements".
much better, viceroy.
Posted by frosty zoom at 11/22/2009 @ 7:25pm
Cuban authorities announced in October 2008 that Cuba had crude reserves of 21 billion barrels -- more than double previous estimates.
Posted by frosty zoom at 11/22/2009 @ 7:23pm
But they currently receive almost all of their oil from Venezuela.
The relationship cultivated between Cuba and Venezuela in recent years has resulted in agreements that Venezuela provide cheap oil in exchange for Cuban "missions" of doctors which aid and help to improve the Venezuelan health care system. Cuba, with the second-highest per capita number of physicians in the world (behind Italy), sends tens of thousands of doctors to other countries as aid, as well as for obtaining favorable economic terms of trade.
Exports - commodities: sugar, medical products, nickel, tobacco, shellfish, citrus, coffee
Imports: $6.916 billion f.o.b. (2005 est.)
Imports - commodities: petroleum, food, machinery, chemicals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Cuba
Posted by antisocialist at 11/22/2009 @ 7:27pm
Are you saying that you should not be entitled to keep property willed to you or that you won in a lottery?
Posted by rightwingnutcase at 11/22/2009 @ 7:19pm
no. i am saying don't say silly things like the only way to have more wealth is to have created it.
Solid "C" Bush 43 wouldn't have earned enough money to buy a pack of gum without his daddy. And he his.
Posted by Blair Wooff at 11/22/2009 @ 7:46pm
How often does one become rich through thievery?
Posted by rightwingnutcase at 11/22/2009 @ 7:19pm
the most oftenest way yet devised. The key is to control the 'real' definition of theft.
Posted by Blair Wooff at 11/22/2009 @ 7:49pm
But they currently receive almost all of their oil from Venezuela.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/22/2009 @ 7:27pm
i know that, larry.
lots of that chavez oil's going to the u.s., too:
"CITGO is a wholly-owned subsidiary of PdVSA that has some 14,000 branded retail outlets (both directly owned and affiliates) in the United States. "
Posted by frosty zoom at 11/22/2009 @ 7:55pm
How often does one become rich through thievery?
Posted by rightwingnutcase at 11/22/2009 @ 7:19pm
ask your "founding fathers".
Posted by frosty zoom at 11/22/2009 @ 7:57pm
"CITGO is a wholly-owned subsidiary of PdVSA that has some 14,000 branded retail outlets (both directly owned and affiliates) in the United States. "
Posted by frosty zoom at 11/22/2009 @ 7:55pm |
Which is why I refuse to buy from any Citgo stations or their affiliates
Posted by antisocialist at 11/22/2009 @ 8:19pm
yourjomamma-it's your fault that your kids can't read their diplomas.Don't blame the teachers union for your failures.
Posted by i'm nobody at 11/22/2009 @ 1:20pm
My kids are doing just fine.....
they attended private schools for 95% 0f their education.....
because the public schools suck...everywhere....and if the school system were a patient, it would be dead....I can hardly wait for the same in our medical care...you, too?
Posted by YourJomamma at 11/22/2009 @ 8:31pm
Mett,
"And the post-Reagan targeting by law enforcement and prosecutors of black and Latino men for excessive incarceration for non-violent offenses has completely destabilized many families in urban areas where these kids go to school, and has deprived many schools in these areas of needed funding that was shifted to building more prisons. "
We spend enough per student to educate and could send them all to private school.
80% out of wedlock birthrates are the issue, which is jailed and absent fathers....and are not a result of Reagan , rather, the result of flawed govt "help" and produce a society in the throws of suicide.
Posted by YourJomamma at 11/22/2009 @ 8:40pm
"the most oftenest way yet devised. The key is to control the 'real' definition of theft"
As I suspected.
Your real goal is to suggest that, since all individuals must be equal and interchangeable in all respects, some accomplishing more than others must secretly reveal a hidden oppression of the less successful individuals.
Guess what: All individuals are NOT equal!
If Asians are more academically successful than other groups, other groups should compete with them; the government should not legally mandate racial discrimination against Asians.
To mandate such discrimination alone is evil; to do it in the name of "equal opportunity" is hideous and unspeakable.
Posted by rightwingnutcase at 11/22/2009 @ 8:55pm
speak the gospel, viceroy!
Posted by frosty zoom at 11/22/2009 @ 8:59pm
I think progressives need to just let the Beck-Palin-Rush wingnuts hang themselves & the GOP. Even with corporate evil MSM that they'll to more than an aggregate of 49% or less.
Posted by winyahn at 11/22/2009 @ 9:41pm
"Afghan girls burn themselves to escape marriage"
"Afghan wives choose to burn themselves to death to escape a life of domestic torture and abuse"
"47 self-immolation cases were recorded in Herat city hospital in six months"
"Afghan woman who attempted suicide: "Self-immolation is the worst""
"Afghanistan is world's worst place to be born: U.N."
"UNICEF: More than half of Afghan children suffer from malnutrition"
"Food aid not reaching most vulnerable women, children in Afghanistan"
"Afghans Can't Be Sure of Even One Meal a Day, Says Aid Group"
"Five year old girl was murdered in Saripul province of Afghanistan"
"Death of a young freedom-fighter under Taliban's torture"
"The Pakistan Taliban jihad on girls' schools"
"Disembowelled and murdered for teaching girls"
"Taliban attack Afghans who are trying to clear the mines left over from the Soviet wars"
"Taliban target and kill UN aid workers"
"Taliban kill Christian aid worker, Oct 2008."
"Pakistan Taliban suicide bomb UN World Food Program office, killing 5, Oct 2009."
"Taliban abduct and repeatedly rape 43-year-old Dutch female journalist, November 2008"
"Taliban in Pakistan warns Christians to convert to Islam or face death, Oct 2009." The Taliban sex perverts warned that if Christians do not convert, they "would be killed, their property and homes would be burnt to ashes and their women would be treated as sex slaves."
"Taliban in Pakistan shoot 11 year old Christian boy in head, June 2009."
"Taliban use 6-year old boy as suicide bomber"
"Taliban in Pakistan use 12 year old boy to plant bomb, June 2009."
"Pakistan Taliban buy child slaves"
What a world!
Posted by rightwingnutcase at 11/22/2009 @ 11:02pm
The AP fact-checked Palin, but gone almost completely unanswered are many of the policy prescriptions she is injecting into the political debate: Tax cuts to stimulate job growth (been there, didn't work) and drill, baby, drill as an energy policy.
Posted by fannygreen5564 at 11/23/2009 @ 06:55am
The AP fact-checked Palin, but gone almost completely unanswered are many of the policy prescriptions she is injecting into the political debate: Tax cuts to stimulate job growth (been there, didn't work) and drill, baby, drill as an energy policy. http://gobrandmall.com/
Posted by fannygreen5564 at 11/23/2009 @ 06:55am
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/22/2009 @ 4:25pm
Yeah, gunny, right. Same ol' song..."I'm an independent, who never really liked Dubya!"
Naturally, he never mentioned his dislike DURING the Bush Administration...faulted any Administration policies....or did it prevent him from enthusiastically voting for Dubya twice.
But it is a good indicator of what crabwalk said before...NOW that Dubya is out of office and was a failed Presidency, suddenly his former fans are all "independent conservatives, never supported Bush that much."
And remember THEY are the ideology of "personal responsibility"....LOL
Posted by Mask at 11/23/2009 @ 07:20am
Your real goal is to suggest that, since all individuals must be equal and interchangeable in all respects, some accomplishing more than others must secretly reveal a hidden oppression of the less successful individuals.
Guess what: All individuals are NOT equal!
Posted by rightwingnutcase at 11/22/2009 @ 8:55pm
Yes, nut, i agree. In fact, i'd put it, "No individuals are equal.". There is a subtle logical difference there.
But are you saying that theft doesn't exist as a wealth building strategy? Or just not that common? Or that theft is actually accomplishment? I can't seem to follow how you've found my 'real goal'.
My understanding of history is that thievery has been the most lucrative occupation we have devised.
Posted by Blair Wooff at 11/23/2009 @ 08:07am
Posted by Blair Wooff at 11/23/2009 @ 08:07am
Blair, keep in mind that RWNC has shown on more than a few occasions....he's a bigot.
Posted by Mask at 11/23/2009 @ 08:20am
Posted by Mask at 11/23/2009 @ 08:20am
ahhh... right. thanks.
Posted by Blair Wooff at 11/23/2009 @ 08:41am
Nutcase. What is US and NATO forces are doing in Afghanistan and Iraq? Selling flowers to the people there? You can't make the World dark, just by closing your eyes.
Posted by Dastu11 at 11/23/2009 @ 08:53am
Not looking to pick a fight at all. I just recall the messiah like worship that the black community, a very proud community that had risen from slavery in this country, had for Obama because of his blackness, and now that he's running around bowing to people, not a peep is heard from that so-called proud community. Where is the outcry from black leaders in Congress, some of whom were quite prominent in the civil rights era? Where is Al Sharpton and the Rev. Jackson? Or how about the esteemed Rev. Wright? Not a peep. I just can't visualize any of them bowing to anyone period, protocol or no protocol. Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/22/2009 @ 4:30pm | ignore this person | warn this person
--you want to make a big deal out of a bow, a sign of respect...but a man walking hand-in-hand like he's another president's gay tryst is just "silly"? you're fucked!
Posted by urmygyro at 11/23/2009 @ 10:51am
Sorry Katrina, I know you have an eighteen year old daughter. I think you get my point. I don't remember reading anywhere here the brutal treatment that Sarah Palin has recieved. In fact, your publication is one of the worst offenders. Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/22/2009 @ 4:44pm | ignore this person | warn this person
--I'm sure when Rush Limbaugh was calling Chelsea Clinton the White House dog you were laughing your ass off...so chillax
Posted by urmygyro at 11/23/2009 @ 10:54am
Actually, I never heard that comment. I'll research it and see if it's just something else the left made up. If I find it to be true, I'll condemn it as well. Will you now condemn the treatment that the left has given Sarah?
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/23/2009 @ 11:09am
Thank you Urmy, someone needed to respond to Gun1 like you did.
Posted by Denise29 at 11/23/2009 @ 11:13am
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/23/2009 @ 11:09am
Hey gunny, while you're researching Rush Limbaugh comments....for later condemnation...try this one-
"Take that bone out of your nose and call me back!"
Posted by Mask at 11/23/2009 @ 11:39am
We spend enough per student to educate and could send them all to private school.
Posted by YourJomamma at 11/22/2009 @ 8:40pm | ignore this person | warn this person
yer on the right track here, maasch. really...i'm largely agreeing with you...
we spend more per pupil in this country than most developed countries and get less in terms of results.
some schools and districts could use some funds for improving physical plants and facilities, sure, but...
the last school i taught in had some excellent physical facilities. brand new theater, "smart boards" in every classroom, buzillions of $$$$$$$ dumped into the physical facility and allocated to all sorts of programs...
and still the kids were wandering the halls hooting and screeching at all times, most teachers spent half the class period trying to get half the kids to settle down so the few future obamas and sotomayors there had a chance, fights, gangs...
i was physically assaulted by one of those stupid fucks and guess what?
back in my class within a week...
where i taught was indeed a bad place where what was being learned by most kids was not what they needed. there are some very good public schools out there, usually in middle and upper class zip codes, but overall the picture of public education in this country is a SICK PARASITICAL JOKE.
and private? well...some yes and some no...
if you have $$$ and want your out-of-control-spoiled little rich boy/girl shit to get a degree or diploma without having to really do much, and be able to act like moron and never suffer cosequences...
send them to a cash conscious private school be prepared to dump lots of money on them to get your pathetic spawn whatever degree you can pay for...
not speaking of you personally, maasch...understand?
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/23/2009 @ 12:05pm
but one of the biggest problems with education in this country is the fact that those charged with directing and running it have swallowed hook line and sinker an ideological set of beliefs that have very little in common with reality.
education departments are so chock full of a set of assumptions and beliefs cobbled together from several areas of social science, debased by the cobbling together, and barely understood by the elites of post bachelors degree education personnel.
the candidates for masters degrees and "eed's" constitute the lowest scoring post graduate degree seekers in terms of the GRE of all disciplines.
it's a prime example of an idiotic confusion of quality and quantity - and modern american education is ALL ABOUT quantity over quality...
some kind of idiotic will to democracy and equality if we can just railroad enough folks through a sub par set of degree mills and....
POOF! ALL THE PROBLEMS WILL BE SOLVED!!!!
and "parents"? goddamn! if i had a hundred bucks for every moron who had it in their head that their ridiculously raised moron had some kind of right to be spoon fed a goddamned law degree or medical degree...i'd be retired long ago.
stop begging folks to get their kids a good education. stop begging morons to do what is right for them. its the worst way to get them to value it...
when a kid fails, let him/her fail. when a kid disrupts consistently, is violent to other kids/teachers...get him/her out of the school.
when enough end up dead or in the juvenile justice system and their friends and friend's "parents" see the result of their stupid actions...
maybe then things will really start getting better.
triage...the way of the world.
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/23/2009 @ 12:21pm
Posted by Mask at 11/23/2009 @ 11:39am
Can't find the direct source of that quote nor the one about Chelsea Clinton but I wouldn't doubt that Limbaugh uttered either one at some point or another. He's quite the gasbag. Can you offer any links?
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/23/2009 @ 1:35pm
Posted by Mask at 11/23/2009 @ 07:20am
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. I think the way the right treated Bill Clinton was a travesty with this gate and that. I never thought he should have been impeached and I did vote for him.
Overall, I thought he did a pretty good job compared to our present leader. I don't think that Clinton was agressive enough in his efforts to fight terrorism however and I give GWB high marks for his efforts there but low marks in his fiscal policy.
I voted for GWB once.
You see, the thing that idealogues don't understand is that when you are truly independent you are free. You can decide for yourself if any politician is worthy of your vote without feeling like a traitor to your party or their particular platform.
Most politicians are corrupt before they get to Washington and definitly corrupt after being there for a few years so it's easy for me to give any of them their walking papers at any time. Unfortunately, most voters blindly vote for the name they recognize on the ballot box without having a clue about the issues.
A good example, Saturday Night does a skit about Sarah Palin saying, "I can see Russia from my back yard." What do the the leftwing press do? They carry the mockery when it was actually a quote beaning that Alaska was far closer to Russia than any of the lower 48, so the idiot voters go vote for Obama because, hell, we can't have a VP who thinks she can see Russia from her back yard, she must be a dunce. The real dunces are those pulling the levers or punching the holes knowing full well that they don't have a clue.
I admire Sarah because she is not a politician. She is involved for all the right reasons. That's why the left hates her. Her book is fabulous. I suggest reading it.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/23/2009 @ 1:51pm
Also, I thought the Swift Boaters were scoundrels, Newt Gingrich is a hypocrite and Ronald Reagan was probably suffering from the beginning stages of alzheimers in his second term. Even with that affliction he stands head and shoulders above what we have now.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/23/2009 @ 1:54pm
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/23/2009 @ 12:05pm
BTW Blib, I think that educators have the most important job in this country, bar none. Hats off to you in that regard.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/23/2009 @ 1:56pm
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/23/2009 @ 1:56pm | ignore this person | warn this person
thanks gunny. there are LOTS of great people working their asses off in education, don't get me wrong.
its the sophistic parasites that disgust me.
the cycle of stupidity goes something like this...
1. there are problems to be fixed in society and economy.
2. the real solutions are hard and involve effort, sacrifices, difficult changes...
3. politicians don't want to risk their asses to really solve problems...
4. at some point they cowardly and disingenuously resort to babbling about the panacea for all ills - gettin everybody edumacated until we all have semi-worthless post grad degrees and are equally "educated"...then all the problems will go away!!!
5. parents slurp it all up like brain crack, think their kids can be molded by someone else, that their kids ave a right to any level of educational achievement regardless of ability or motivation... or sick of all the hard work it takes to properly raise their own spawn, hop gleefully on the weeping-and-gnashing-of teeth bandwagon of education bashing/overimputing-of-mission-and-capabilities...
6. educators playing politics and/or ate up with silly wisdomless compassion, continue to come up with silver bullet/solve all the problems with enlightened methodology and money as opposed to doing the stark work of what needs be done, as well as jstifying their own parasitic arses...
7. politicians get an earful from both, see a way out by alternately running down and pollyanishly praising the system, figure out what a bunch of crap it all is and decide its easier and better to just keep playing the stupid game and eschewing responsibility to DO SOMETHING REAL!!!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/23/2009 @ 2:19pm
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/23/2009 @ 2:19pm
That's about right.
It's also why I think so much of Sarah Palin.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/23/2009 @ 2:23pm
It's also why I think so much of Sarah Palin.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/23/2009 @ 2:23pm | ignore this person | warn this person
oh i wouldn't mind having a round with her myself - damned attractive woman.
i just find the overall political package less than desirable.
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/23/2009 @ 2:41pm
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/23/2009 @ 1:35pm
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/limbaugh.asp
See a bit of an incongruity here???
"Unfortunately, most voters blindly vote for the name they recognize on the ballot box without having a clue about the issues...."
and then--
"I admire Sarah because she is not a politician. She is involved for all the right reasons. That's why the left hates her. Her book is fabulous. I suggest reading it."-----Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/23/2009 @ 1:51pm
What issues and what reasons? Anything specific? Or just "use commonsense solutions" and "drill here, drill now" over and over?
Posted by Mask at 11/23/2009 @ 3:24pm
Ibble, my son taught 4 years at a school in Mesa Az and between the politics and the kids he couldn't take it anymore, he got laid off, (orchestra teacher) then they wanted to rehire him and he said no, he was so soured by the whole thing that I don't think he will ever teach again!
Posted by Denise29 at 11/23/2009 @ 3:27pm
Posted by Denise29 at 11/23/2009 @ 3:27pm | ignore this person | warn this person
he should not. i actively discourage anyone who shows interest in entering the profession. i think the only way people will wake up to this disgrace is when its so hard to find and retain decent teachers that folks are FORCED to ask why and look at what really need be done.
AND i'm all for expelling vast numbers of disruptive kids for the sake of the rest. if that results in armies of violent, criminal, deadbeat adolescents on the streets, FINE! perhaps then people will wake up and see what's happening.
perhaps progressive juvenile justice systems and humane, professional orphanages would be a wiser choice for public funding than trying to turn standard schools into some combination of traditional pedagogical institution, criminal rehabilitation facility, and surrogate parenting site...
schools are not designed to deal with such and it is a BIG MISTAKE to assume that simply throwing these morons in with kids who have some hope will do anything but CORRUPT THOSE WITH HOPE. the adolescent brain, even a highly functional one, is simply not equipped to handle complex cause/effect stuff and what it thinks is "cool" and valued is often horribly stupid and self destructive. throw the thugs in with the non thugs and the end result will far more often than not be the corruption of the non-thug and not the pollyanish opposite.
oh well - busines contact coming in now... gotta go...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/23/2009 @ 4:28pm
Posted by Mask at 11/23/2009 @ 3:24pm
If I thought I could make progress I would go into the reasons a lot deeper. But think about this for awhile. Democrats and republicans alike have gotten us into this mess. It's all really one big party and we are not invited.
Sarah Palin undrestood this. It's why she ran for public office in the first place. She's hated not for who she is but for what she is, A THREAT TO THE SYSTEM.
I suggest that you and others stop knocking her without any real reason and read her damn book for starters. Laugh at SNL but remember they are trying to make you laugh. They're not to be taken seriously.
This country is in deep doo doo because of so many decades of mis-management from both sides. We've grown soft and greedy.
If you are in debt, start making some sacrifices. That goes for everyone on a personal level as well as the government. No one is entitled to anything but the freedoms that are enumerated in the Bill of Rights and the further Amendments to the Constitution.
When someone like Sarah Palin comes along and offers REAL change, we demonize her. We don't, the politicians and the media do. We sheep just follow suit. I emplore everyone to start to think for themselves. Give the middle finger to both parties and open your minds and yourears to real change.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/23/2009 @ 4:52pm
Ibble,
I agree with everything you posted today.
Good luck in your business endeavor..and hang on ....for you will be stunned at all the road blocks set up in your path, all designed to help, of course,....and being a true fighter in the entrepeneur mode, you will find a way around, through, or under them to success...
you may not see it now, but you are evolving into an enlightened conservative....and should you be successful and God forbid, financialy rewarded...look out...the lines are your shirt are not a design, but a target...
Posted by YourJomamma at 11/23/2009 @ 4:57pm
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/23/2009 @ 2:41pm
I don't know where you heard her express her political views unless you watched her interviews with Hannity or O'Reilly. Oprah sure as hell didn't ask her anything of substance. She did an awesome job in her debate with Joe Biden and her speech before the Republican national Convention is ledgendary. No tele-prompter there.
Seriously. You're an educated individual. Do yourself a favor and pick up a copy of her book. Either buy it or get it from the library. Everyone needs to learn how to read for themselves and not rely on others to do their thinking for them. The Nation wouldn't like you to but I'll tell you one thing for sure, after you read Sarah's book, you'll wonder what the hell book the critics read. You'll love the photos.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/23/2009 @ 5:03pm
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/23/2009 @ 4:28pm
I hope you come back and read the rest of this thread before you had to leave.
I disagree about not trying to teach. Granted the inner cities are utterly disfunctional and not even the brightest and the best teachers can get through to the vast majority of those kids. They've been raised on the mentality that they don't have to work hard because everything will be given to them Why excel when there's an easier way out. These kids have virtually no future.
But if there is an ounce of hope that a handful of kids in those schools want a future and are willing to work hard to get there, it's up to their teachers to unite with them and whatever they have for parents and make sure that they get through, despite the disruptions from the undesirables. If the teachers give up, then all hope is lost for them.
God knows, teachers who work in these battlegrounds are extremely underpaid. But all the pay in the world will do no good if the teachers give up. These kids aren't going to stay in school and change their ways just because Barack Obama told them to. They will only succeed with the help of teachers who single out the ones who can be motivated and get them through. That's all they can do. Most of these kids in the inner cities are doomed to the same life their mother had.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/23/2009 @ 5:14pm
Posted by YourJomamma at 11/23/2009 @ 4:57pm | ignore this person | warn this person
i'm already considering myself a progressive conservative.
thanks for the support. now i gotta figure out what's going on with my partner...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/23/2009 @ 5:15pm
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/23/2009 @ 5:03pm | ignore this person | warn this person
would love to respond, friend, but REALLY gotta go...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/23/2009 @ 5:20pm
Gun1, your right about teaching, my son thought maybe charter schools or private schools or even community college because they usually want to be there. But my son said it was like he was teacher, parent, babysitter & diciplinarian all rolled up in one, plus the politics with the administration and he'd just had enough. Its sad because he's a really good teacher.
Posted by Denise29 at 11/23/2009 @ 5:32pm
A lot of people truly believe Ronnie Reagan was some sort of intelligent man that "saved" the country, rather than seeing through all the propaganda, photo shoots and recognizing the senile old fool for the shameless shill and grave digger of the nation that he was. (This economic meltdown is the end result of the "Reagan Revolution!") Is it all that surprising that the ignorant, misguided, biased, ideologues would fall for the carefully orchestrated con job that is Sarah Palin?
This country is broke in so many ways; the "conservatives" and neo-liberals have been running the show since the '70's; any objective individual can easily understand where the blame lays for all that is wrong with this nation.
Posted by mtspence05 at 11/23/2009 @ 6:16pm
Posted by mtspence05 at 11/23/2009 @ 6:16pm
Ah, our resident bank robber has re-surfaced to bestow his wisdom upon us (ROMFL)
Posted by antisocialist at 11/23/2009 @ 6:31pm
Here ya go, gunny....folks just like you explaining why they support Sarah-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKKKgua7wQk
Just as reasoned and detailed as you have been.
Posted by Mask at 11/23/2009 @ 6:40pm
Posted by mtspence05 at 11/23/2009 @ 6:16pm
Hey! Hey! Empty Spence is back.
How ya doing, man?
Posted by Mask at 11/23/2009 @ 6:40pm
Ah, our resident bank robber has re-surfaced to bestow his wisdom upon us (ROMFL)
Posted by antisocialist at 11/23/2009
Maybe you should addressing the post.
Posted by mtspence05 at 11/23/2009 @ 7:16pm
Maybe you should addressing the post.
Posted by mtspence05 at 11/23/2009 @ 7:16pm
Why? it's just the usual, leftwing, anti-Reagan, anti-conservative rant without any substance or basis in fact.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/23/2009 @ 9:00pm
Posted by Mask at 11/23/2009 @ 6:40pm
Yeah cute. That actually reflects about 90% of the electorate including all of Obama's voters. Reminds me of a segment that Hannity's reporter did the other night with a bunch of Obama worshipers. None of them could name the VP.
I hope you got a chance to watch O'Reilly's and Greta's interviews with Palin. You might have changed your tune.
A doubt of Sarah Palin even wants to be President but as I've said before, like her or not, she will draw crowds on the campaign trail that no ordinary candidate could. They would be every bit as huge and electric as Obama's crowds were. She is definitely a rock star in the conservative movement.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/23/2009 @ 10:53pm
Sarah Palin will probably not do well as a Presidential candidate unless she starts to change some minds. When you have the entire liberal establishment hating her just because she's a woman who supports the pro lifers, they will stop at nothing to see her defeated.
But if she, as I said, could change some minds on that issue, she will have done a favor to humanity. Look, this is a real touchy subject for a lot of people but in the end, those women who had life growing inside of them and decided to end that life have no-one or nothing to answer to except their own conscience. They will take that deed to their graves with them.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/23/2009 @ 10:58pm
The Obamanation administration is breathtakingly stupid and totally without credibility. Holder is the best example of incompetence ever! Sarah Palin is a genius beside these guys!
Senator Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) in a Judiciary Committee hearing last week asked Attorney General Eric Holder a question that the nation's top cop could not answer. Graham asked: "Can you give me a case in United States history where a[n] enemy combatant caught on a battlefield was tried in civilian court?"
The inquiry was followed by an extensive silence before Holder attempted to answer, and the attorney general could only verbalize: "I don't know. I'd have to look at that. I think that, you know, the determination I've made...." before Graham sternly cut him off in mid-sentence.
"We're making history here, Mr. Attorney General," Graham stated. "I'll answer it for you. The answer is 'no.'"
Robert Alt, deputy director of the Center for Legal and Judicial Studies at The Heritage Foundation, says Holder's non-response raises a question about the political nature of the decision to try some Guantanamo Bay detainees in civilian court. (See related video)
"You would anticipate that any legal decision of this nature would have been highly researched and that the attorney general would have been briefed on the questions of any prior usage," Alt mentions. "The fact that he couldn't even answer that question, I found startling."
Alt notes that Al Qaeda was able to use the civilian trial of blind sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman in New York as an information-gathering tool -- a list of unindicted co-conspirators was later found in a cave in Torah Borah, Afghanistan.
Posted by BigPasture at 11/24/2009 @ 01:34am
Actually, I never heard that comment. I'll research it and see if it's just something else the left made up. If I find it to be true, I'll condemn it as well. Will you now condemn the treatment that the left has given Sarah?
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/23/2009
Rush did call Chelsea Clinton a dog. It was on his stupid tv show and I saw the words come out of his fat, pill-popping mouth.
Posted by koroviev at 11/24/2009 @ 02:37am
Also, In Re: Fat Rush and Palin...
Palin put herself out there and dished it out herself calling Obama a terrorist. So, don't complain if she gets paid back. She bought that ticket and paid full fare.
Chelsea Clinton was very young at the time not really a public figure. Rush was being a creepy, mean, fat bastard.
Posted by koroviev at 11/24/2009 @ 02:45am
"Columnist Molly Ivins reported (Arizona Republic 10/17/93) this incident from Limbaugh's TV show--"Here is a Limbaugh joke: Everyone knows the Clintons have a cat. Socks is the White House cat. But did you know there is a White House dog?" And he puts up a picture of Chelsea Clinton. Chelsea Clinton is 13 years old." "Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?"
"Take that bone out of your nose and call me back."
1990 Newsday article where Limbaugh admitted making these statements.
"A good example, Saturday Night does a skit about Sarah Palin saying, "I can see Russia from my back yard.""
"It's not as if Alaskans can see into the heart of the Kremlin, though. The region you'd be seeing from these vantage points is the Chukotka autonomous district, a massive, desolate expanse of about 285,000 square miles with a population of about 55,000...The more strategic areas of the Russian coastline, militarily speaking--the Kamchatka Peninsula, home to a nuclear submarine base, or Vladivostok, headquarters of the Russian Pacific Fleet--are not visible from Gov. Palin's home state."It's not as if Alaskans can see into the heart of the Kremlin, though. The region you'd be seeing from these vantage points is the Chukotka autonomous district, a massive, desolate expanse of about 285,000 square miles with a population of about 55,000."
Posted by FLaim at 11/24/2009 @ 03:32am
This country is broke in so many ways; the "conservatives" and neo-liberals have been running the show since the '70's; any objective individual can easily understand where the blame lays for all that is wrong with this nation.
Posted by mtspence05 at 11/23/2009 @ 6:16pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Try checking into the legislation passed by Demoncrat congresses for 40 yrs before the 1994 Rep. failed contract with America where they foolishily let the Demoncrats continue to have a voice and vote and maybe you will get a clue!
Posted by BigPasture at 11/24/2009 @ 03:50am
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/23/2009 @ 10:53pm
But gunny, those are PALIN supporters...not just the hoi-polloi of all voters (including those nasty Obama voters).
Shouldn't such a person be drawing the best and the brightest to her? And given her clear-stated policy positions and refined detailed explanations of her beliefs....those folks should be able to come up with SOME specifics on why they support her???
In fact...shouldn't you be able to???????
heheh
Posted by Mask at 11/24/2009 @ 07:56am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKKKgua7wQk
Just as reasoned and detailed as you have been.
Posted by Mask at 11/23/2009 @ 6:40pm
Wow! Some real deep thinkers there. Just like the righties that post here...
Posted by BlackFrancis at 11/24/2009 @ 08:29am
Hey, Blacks,.....we know you are the only demographic group that's still solidly `Strongly Approve' of your Messiah and by all by yourself, constitute HALF of all his present Loyalists.......here's the Hope and Change as your reward:
Blacks hit hard by economy's punch
34.5 percent of young African American men are unemployed
By V. Dion Haynes
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, November 24, 2009
These days, 24-year-old Delonta Spriggs spends much of his time cooped up in his mother's one-bedroom apartment in Southwest Washington, the TV blaring soap operas hour after hour, trying to stay out of the streets and out of trouble, held captive by the economy. As a young black man, Spriggs belongs to a group that has been hit much harder than any other by unemployment.
Joblessness for 16-to-24-year-old black men has reached Great Depression proportions -- 34.5 percent in October, more than three times the rate for the general U.S. population. And last Friday, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that unemployment in the District, home to many young black men, rose to 11.9 percent from 11.4 percent, even as it stayed relatively stable in Virginia and Maryland......
Posted by Happy at 11/24/2009 @ 09:48am
Posted by Happy at 11/24/2009 @ 09:48am
Your newfound "concern" for black youth unemployment is heartwarming, Happy...as is the way Republicans now want to "protect from cuts and shore up Medicare"....
evolving into liberals, huh?
Posted by Mask at 11/24/2009 @ 11:22am
Posted by Mask at 11/24/2009 @ 07:56am
Whatever their reason for supporting her is their business. I'll bet those people know who the VP is though. Also, their reasons for support, whatever they may be, have to be better than voting for a candidate just because of his skin color.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/24/2009 @ 12:01pm
Posted by koroviev at 11/24/2009 @ 02:37am
I'll take your word for it although I can't find any links. As I've said, I don't have any special affinity for Rush Limbaugh. I think he is just another school yard bully. But nobody can deny his following and success.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/24/2009 @ 12:06pm
Posted by koroviev at 11/24/2009 @ 02:45am
When did Sarah call Obama a terrorist? In what context?
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/24/2009 @ 12:08pm
Posted by FLaim at 11/24/2009 @ 03:32am
I'd be the last to want to defend Rush Limbaugh. He's a big boy. He lives by the sword and dies by the sword. his mouth his his own worst enemy but it's also made him a lot of money.
As for Sarah's comment, I think you're being a little silly here. As I've pointed out, sSarah was speaking metaphorically. It wasn't until SNL made a joke out of it that the Sarah haters used it to make her sound dumb. I understood perfectly well from the start exactly what she meant. Alaska is a strategic location which is the reason why it became a U.S. posession in the first place.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/24/2009 @ 12:15pm
In fact...shouldn't you be able to???????
heheh
Posted by Mask at 11/24/2009 @ 07:56am
I have plenty of reasons why I'd support Sarah Palin but I see no reason to enumerate them to you. With all do respect, you come off as a little ignorant in my experience so far with you as well as in your dialogue with others here.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/24/2009 @ 12:18pm
Posted by BlackFrancis at 11/24/2009 @ 08:29am
Guess you've never seen Jay Leno's 'man on the street ' interviews in liberal California huh?
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/24/2009 @ 12:20pm
Posted by Happy at 11/24/2009 @ 09:48am
As I've stated, the age group that you site are the result of decades of liberal efforts to gain black votes by giving them everything. Now that they are in their early twenties to thirties, these people have no chance of being hired into a high earning job because they have nothing to offer unless they are an athlete or a soldier. The black community knows this very well.
So does Barack Obama. His efforts as a community organizer helped these people get all they could from the govermnment. It was his M.O. and explains his fondness for everything ACORN and S.E.I.U. So, what are the rest of us supposed to think? We've spent all of our lives supporting these people while we were working hard to raise our own families. Now we are being asked to ante up some more.
At some point, the black inner-city community has to accept responsibility for their own existence and at least stop pro-creating until they do. There is nothing more that we can do to help, or are even willing to.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/24/2009 @ 12:30pm
"I have plenty of reasons why I'd support Sarah Palin but I see no reason to enumerate them to you. "----Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/24/2009 @ 12:18pm
"I know but I'm not going to tell YOU!"?!?!??!?
Are you twelve?
Posted by Mask at 11/24/2009 @ 12:45pm
Posted by Mask at 11/24/2009 @ 12:45pm
Do you have a reading comprehension problem or an inability to understand the English language perhaps?
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/24/2009 @ 12:59pm
I have plenty of reasons why I'd support Sarah Palin but I see no reason to enumerate them to you.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/24/2009 @ 12:18pm
"I know but I'm not going to tell YOU!"?!?!??!?
Are you twelve?
Posted by Mask at 11/24/2009 @ 12:45pm
I think you're giving him more credit than he deserves. That's more in line with the mental maturity of a six year old. :)
Posted by BlackFrancis at 11/24/2009 @ 1:13pm
It was on another thread that pontificus was asked a similar question and gave a similar answer, ponti and gun can't answer because Palin has no qualifications.
Posted by Denise29 at 11/24/2009 @ 1:54pm
As I've pointed out, Sarah was speaking metaphorically. I understood perfectly well from the start exactly what she meant.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/24/2009 @ 12:15pm
Hey, why don't you slow down on the 'defending Sarah Palin' thing and just outline the important parts of the book for those of us that haven't read it?
There have been several long threads where I've asked people to outline her policy views. No one will do it. If I have to read the book I will, but otherwise it's like taking policy advice from Elvis. Just lay it out for us.
As far as the 'metaphor' and you knowing what she meant... then why do you still insist that Letterman was talking about her 14 year old daughter when he was referring to Bristol? As you say, anybody could see who he was talking about, but all the self righteous cons got on the bandwagon to make it seem like a pederastic comment, which it wasn't. Fox news made a hell of a noise about it, but it was just as stupid as all the hullabaloo surrounding the Russia comment.
It was far more irresponsible to say something about 'Putin rearing his head', thereby confirming him as an enemy in the minds of many. Is Putin the enemy?
Posted by ficheye at 11/24/2009 @ 2:06pm
Posted by ficheye at 11/24/2009 @ 2:06pm
Sarah's qualifications and experience are well known to those of us who bothered to read about them. I'd suggest to you that you compare her pre-election executive experience to that of Barack Obama's and then relate who was more qualified. Any simplton can see that she was a mayor and a governor while Barack Obama was a 'community organizer', a State Senator who usually voted present so he wouldn't have to take a stand, and a Senator for a couple of years, most of which was spent on the campaign trail.
The jig is up for this guy. The media protected him for as long as they could and now his ratings are falling so fast that the ink isn't even dry from sample to sample.
When I listen to Sarah Palin, I hear something wholesome, something against the grain of all that corruption in Washington and Chicago. Sarah never associated with the likes of Rev. Wright or Bill Ayers the way Obama did, which also was ignored by the Laim Stream Media. She wasn't afraid to take on her own party. If not Sarah then who?
If republicans are smart, in the next two elections, they will pound the issue of the national debt and deficits home until election day. Pound home how the people's children and grandchildren have been put so far into debt by this administration. They will have their answers ready for the leftwing attacks that it's all GWB's fault, which the dems will probably still use years from now. They will get behind the Tea Party movement and deliver speech after speech reflecting that hard working Americans are sick and tired of paying for the goldbrickers of the inner cities.
I would show the videos of Barack Obama bowing to people in all of the black communities over and over again and ask 'A black man?' Bowing?
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/24/2009 @ 3:24pm
Anybody here, ANYBODY, black, white, rich, poor, neocon or lib, who has the time to read a book by Ms. Palin:
YOU HAVE WAY, WAY, WAY too much time on your hands, to the extent that it is alarming. May I instead suggest:
1.) Walk dog. 2.) Repaint kitchen. 3.) Change oil. 4.) Go to the Y for game of handball or take swim class. 5.) If right-wing pro-war superstud, go volunteer USO. 6.) If lefty, go to union meeting. 7.) If so inclined, go Christmas shopping or otherwise stimulate our post-industrial, consumer-driven economy.
Whatever. But go stimulate SOMETHING.
Posted by schnellerheinz at 11/24/2009 @ 4:24pm
Gun1, you have to be kidding me, Sarah, wholesome? gov & mayor? SHE QUIT!
Posted by Denise29 at 11/24/2009 @ 4:38pm
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/24/2009 @ 3:24pm
I guess you aren't going to address the question.
I don't care about what Obama is or isn't going to do. I'm not very happy with him. It's another topic.
I'm not going to compare her executive experience with Obama's even though she quit her post as governor, there in her stomping ground of Alaska. Another topic.
And if the republicans manage to do something good for Americans, then hallelujah!
But I think you said that you have read the book.
Please.
Give us a synopsis of what her policies or ideas are about the burning topics facing us as a nation. that was the request, humbly submitted. If there isn't an answer to this topic... that means that there isn't a clear answer coming from her. She's just a victim speaking for the victimized.
Being 'wholesome' doesn't have a damn thing to do with it. My dog is wholesome. So is the bread I eat. They don't say anything that I can understand. Does Palin? Just a simple numbered list of ideas would help me to understand her validity,
Posted by ficheye at 11/24/2009 @ 6:13pm
When did Sarah call Obama a terrorist? In what context?
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/24/2009 @ 12:08pm
The McCain / Palin campaign referred to Obama as hating America, paling around with terrorists and there were volume phone calls inferring that Obama was a terrorist, but that doesn't really matter 'cause that's not the point.
The point is that Palin is a public figure who campaigned and said negative things so she is fair game. Chelsea Clinton was not.
You can't compare what SNL does to what Limbaugh said.
As far as Palin's Book "Going Rube"...Our culture already sank several notches in the historical scheme of things when we got Joe the Plumber's book. I believe the Sentinelese passed us up when Joe unleashed that chestnut.
Posted by koroviev at 11/24/2009 @ 10:32pm
You can't compare what SNL does to what Limbaugh said.
Posted by koroviev at 11/24/2009 @ 10:32pm
A skit on SNL takes how many people to conceive, approve, rehearse, stage, produce? Sure seems to me a SNL skit is akin to a conspiracy to slander someone scantily dressed under the banner of `comedy'.
And Rush? The man is live on radio without a script other than an indexed list of news-of-the-day that he plans to cover.
So, yea....you're right that we shouldn't compare SNL to Rush! Except your premises is upside down!
Posted by Happy at 11/24/2009 @ 10:44pm
Rush called a child ugly. And, I know everyone isn't blessed with Rush's matinee idol looks but did he really have to reference her appearance?
And it was on his stupid TV show... You know, the show with the audience full of chromosomally challenged individuals whooping and cackling like a bunch of brain damaged baboons. So, there was a script.
Posted by koroviev at 11/24/2009 @ 10:55pm
I have plenty of reasons why I'd support Sarah Palin but I see no reason to enumerate them to you.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/24/2009 @ 12:18pm | ignore this person | warn this person
uhhmm. 'cause you're posting on a political discussion blog?
that's my reason to discuss politics here anyway.
Posted by Blair Wooff at 11/24/2009 @ 11:47pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKKKgua7wQk
Posted by Mask at 11/23/2009 @ 6:40pm
This was a great find by Mask.
I could only watch half of it before I couldn't take it anymore. Palin supporters have no idea what she thinks, or what they think, for that matter. They just want their Mom to be president. Then, after smores, we can have an apocalypse!
Of special interest are the text postings about devil worship, fags burn in hell, etc, etc.
And the usual gaggle of 'special needs' spelling problems, just like at the tea parties.
One woman wrote" Fags should burtn in hell! To a crsip"
R them thows folks votin' 'gainst the skool levy? Or the New Orluns Levy? Cain't tell as of yet. Got ta take muh pills and get muh readin' glasses... oops... cain't read! Hee hee! Run sarah, run!
Posted by ficheye at 11/25/2009 @ 10:47am
Happy, SNL doesn't dicriminate when it comes to the their show, everyone from the left and right gets it, so to try to compare Limburger to SNL doesn't really cut it.
Posted by Denise29 at 11/25/2009 @ 1:26pm
The reality is that the only reason Sarah Palin is even known to the rest of the country outside Alaska is that McCain thought he could garner the women's vote by making her his Vice-presidential elect candidate. She hasn't done anything noteworthy that makes her interesting at all. Does she even have a charity that she endorses and promotes? Other than of course the American Rifle Association. Obama was at least Mayor over a large diverse city. He probably governed more people in the one city of Chicago then she has in her whole state. Like Clinton did, she's trying to come across as a "good ole girl" that understands the hardship of the common man. That's the pulpit she stands on. I'm also a Christian but I was taught that it's not our job to judge our fellow mankind. That's God's job and I don't believe he needs our help in that area. She tries to come off as a "moral compass" the only part of that title that I agree with is the "ass" part. Wise up America, see her for what she is, another opportunistic politician! She'll tell you what you want to hear if you love her!
On another note, does anyone believe that we can actually win in Afghanistan. If so what constitutes a success? Osama Bin Laden is probably dead by now, from what I understand he has renal disease and requires dialysis. Can't find that type of care on the road. Unless Pakistan is lying and he's holed up in a Hospital getting medical treatment. Who know maybe he got a kidney transplant. You think that could have happened without others finding out. There's always a leak somewhere.
Posted by DrPiggy at 11/26/2009 @ 6:06pm
I wonder how Sarah Palin's appearance, which is one of her central celebrity tools, will age. Cosmetic surgery can slow down aging and she can remain thin and buxom. . . and there is always hair dye . . but she is not a personally warm person. She has a sharpness to her that will seem more and more shrill as she ages. She might be breaking new ground for women, being one of our first female sorta-politician-y women . . . I wonder if she will be a trailblazer for old lady gasbag geezers. . . I wonder how her fans will worship her when she is 64? She might as well cash in while she can. . . something tells me that her celebrity status will not last as long as Rush's or Bill O'Reilly's. . . this society doesn't have a lot of old ladies in the news. . . she seems more haggard each time she makes a new public appearance .. I predict she won't age well . . . she'll stay thin, keep her face as smooth as surgery allows . . but, sooner or later, she'll be an old lady.. .I think all women who create their own sense of value based on their appearance know, deep down, that the clock is ticking and their appeal is tick-tocking down.
Posted by TreeFitz at 11/26/2009 @ 6:36pm
Dr Piggy you are a moron. If you were not such a left wing rump swab for Obama you might actually be able to use what little brain matter you have left between you ears.
Obama, if Bin Laden was dead ,would surely anounce it you idiot. By doing so he he could appease progressive morons like you and get the hell out of Afganistan. If Bin Laden were still alive and the administration escalated like they are about to do...Obam would be impeached as soon as it was found out. You are a complete idiot and just covering up the fact that Obama "promised " in his second debate last year with Mccain that he would find Bin Laden , kill him and dismantle Al quaida...The frigging piece of crap lied....again!!
Posted by Obamunut at 11/27/2009 @ 10:44am
Correction Dr Dope..if Obama were dead like you say...
Dr Piggy you are a moron. If you were not such a left wing rump swab for Obama you might actually be able to use what little brain matter you have left between you ears.
Obama, if Bin Laden was dead ,would surely anounce it you idiot. By doing so he he could appease progressive morons like you and get the hell out of Afganistan. If Bin Laden was dead and the administration escalated like they are about to do knowing that fact ( as you say does anyone think he is still alive, i assume it includes the Commander and Thief)...Obama would be impeached as soon as it was found out he excalated while knowing that info. Dr Piggy ,you are a complete idiot and just covering up the fact that Obama "promised " in his second debate last year with Mccain that he would find Bin Laden , kill him and dismantle Al quaida...The frigging piece of crap lied....again!!
Posted by Obamunut at 11/27/2009 @ 10:48am
Posted by Obamunut at 11/27/2009 @ 10:48am I am going to try and not be as hateful as your are and simply state the facts. Well first I am not left wing , I voted for Bush both terms, I don't vote down party lines. Second do you think that Osama Bin Laden's followers are going to announce his death? The U.S. government can't state someone's dead unless they find the body or have some form of evidence. You didn't comment on "how's Osama getting dialysis? Do you know anything about kidney failure ?If so please enlighten us. Third we are staying over there to save face, we don't want the rest of the world to think we failed just like in Vietnam. If you expect me to take your views seriously then I suggest you grant me the same courtsey
Posted by DrPiggy at 11/27/2009 @ 11:43am