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I admire Arianna Huffington. She is a strong, bold voice in our media firmament. But in the last few days, she has advanced an idea which, in my view, is wrong. She is urging Vice President Biden to resign if the Obama administration ignores his proposal to concentrate on counter-terrorist operations in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Arianna argues that by doing so, Biden would be following in the hallowed tradition of US officials, like Elliot Richardson and Cyrus Vance, who resigned for reasons of principle. Richardson resigned after refusing to fire Archibald Cox; he did so to uphold the rule of law and to prevent the presidential abuse of power. Cyrus Vance resigned to protest the attempted military rescue of American hostages in Iran, which he believed jeopardized diplomatic and peaceful efforts to win their release.
But the flaw in Arianna's reasoning is to equate Biden's advocacy of counterterrorism with principled stances on law and diplomacy. While Biden has been an important voice against escalation inside the administration, his proposal itself is questionable; it advances the doctrine of preventive military action that would violate the sovereignty of an American ally and that in the past has resulted in the death of innocent citizens. By any reasonable standard, Biden's position is a violation of international law because the United States is not under threat of an imminent attack from extremists in Afghanistan and Pakistan and because the past eight years have made clear there are reasonable legal alternatives to protecting American lives in the form of intelligence and police actions that do not put innocent civilian life at risk.
That an otherwise principled figure like Arianna would, with such fervor, propose this idea is an indication of how the war on terror has damaged and distorted our society and politics.
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KvH: "That an otherwise principled figure like Arianna would, with such fervor, propose this idea is an indication of how the war on terror has damaged and distorted our society and politics."
Maybe the Dems/Libs have too many chiefs and not enough Indians while some say, the Repubs are the opposite.
(Wo)Man, politics today is a riot, more acrobatic than Cirque Du Soleil's latest production, KA!
Posted by Happy at 10/16/2009 @ 11:08am
Taking your toys and going home if you don't get your way is a very childish way to resolve any issue. Arianna is suggesting the leaders of our country act like 5 year olds, not that they don't, but it should not be a recommended course of behavior
This is one of many issues facing Obama and Biden, if Biden does not get his way on this, tough cookies. I would only agree with a resignation if there were serious underlying philosophical disagreements for Biden and Obama across a range of issues. If Obama was suggesting to increase the size of Guantanamo, I may agree with Arianna, but deciding military tactics in an ongoing conflict does not rise to the same level.
Posted by Extraneous at 10/16/2009 @ 11:48am
I have posted John Kerry's speech to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, during the VVAW exercise, Dewey Canyan III in 1971. I had taped it off the radio at either KSAN or KPFA, and included it in one of my newscasts at my new job in Denver, Colorado, as a noozeman at KFML AM FM, free-form radio. The speech is unforgettable, and is an overlay of the current dilemma facing this country today. Nobody, listened back then, and nobody seems to be listening now…in hind-site, everything is so clear and obvious…yet how do you force-feed this information to such a misinformed nation?
I know you're a busy lady, hardly need any more ammunition to argue against blundering on down the same bunny trail, but I beg you to go to bebopvideos.com and view LET'S PRAY THERE WILL BE NO MORE…NO MORE I & II, and if it doesn't inspire you, I apologize for wasting your time. Ed Chatham
Posted by diamonded at 10/16/2009 @ 12:01pm
What it might suggest is the lack of any movement against what is becoming constant US warfare and military led expansion. And the failure to build a mass movement for a more peaceful world depends on the failure of a progressive alternative.
Whatever Obama does or doesn't do, there will be more continuity with past policy than change from it. To expect him to act differently without pressure from an independent intellectual and political alternative just leads to arguments about what should be done over this or that situation, is a symptom of frustration and powerlessness, and pointless.
Charlie M.
Posted by cmsandia at 10/16/2009 @ 12:11pm
Please remember that Cyrus Vance and Elliott Richardson were appointed, not elected by a national election. Biden was elected across the country as the person second in line to the presidency should some catastrophe occur to the President. Regardless of disagreement on policy or who's right and who's wrong, it's a 4 year job.
Posted by mgarapic at 10/16/2009 @ 12:32pm
I too admire Arianna, but I also admire you too, Katrina. I've seen you on television providing the only voice of truth and reason among the pundits who pass themselves off as experts in explaining to us what the conventional wisdom tells about what we should believe. Nonetheless, I believe there needs to be some sort of drama in this debate now. At the rate we are headed, we'll be at war with Iran within two years. It would make Barry have to worry about re-election in 2012. Maybe he'll finally have some more audacity
Posted by ericbasta at 10/16/2009 @ 12:47pm
Huffington has always been a radical zionist, so this isn't exactly surprising. The usual leftist victimization complex coupled with a few tons of "don't you dare tell Israel what to do" hubris is what I usually get from nearly everything she writes. And just try to post anything remotely critical of Israel on her site; you'll quickly discover the real Arianna.
Posted by DejaVu at 10/16/2009 @ 12:50pm
We've already seen one public figure recently resign from the office she was duly elected to, and we saw how the media let her have it with both barrels. And deservedly so. I didn't vote for Barack and Joe just to have Joe quit in a huff(ington). Joe, even with all his motor-mouth proclivities, is still a damn sight better than a great many other politicians, one of whom might just be chosen to fill his vacated spot. Let's be reasonable, and let's play it cool, man, cool.
Posted by barnesgene at 10/16/2009 @ 1:03pm
Arianna is and always has been an opportunist with no core values.
Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 1:28pm
Pre-emption, by its common name is, aggression. If there is a lesson that liberals should have learned from the first Gulf war, it is that when one country invades another, it's fairly easy to assemble a coalition against the aggressor. The problem of WWII was that Nazi Germany's cross border aggression, into Czechoslovakia and Poland, went unaddressed. In retrospect it's easy to see that it should have been stopped in its tracks.
When nations' begin divining where the next attack will come from, then mounting a pre-emptive assault, the door is opened to chaos on a global scale.
Posted by Buddy33 at 10/16/2009 @ 2:05pm
Great article.
Posted by trueleftist at 10/16/2009 @ 2:15pm
I'm feeling increasingly uneasy about progressive and liberal perspectives on our military missions.
As I've discussed on other threads, the policy in Afghanistan, coming from the WH is that our troops are not to return fire or call in air support when they are attacked if civilians are in danger. This is why democrats get a bad rap on foreign policy, especially war policy. They would prefer that our guys get killed than civilians that are used as human sheilds. This isn't hyperbola, it's fact, as demonstrated by their own policy.
The result of such a silly policy is that our guys get killed while the bad guys run and hide behind their women's skirts. So, our marines watch their buddies die and then have a service for them, all the while hating their own C.I.C. for tying their hands and keeping them from getting the job done. If civilians are killed, oh well, that's war. Playing nice only applies to the playground, not on the battlefired. If our kids get killed,well, they signed up for it, right?
Joe Biden is on record as having shouted on the floor of the Senate that it didn't matter how many troops we sent to Iraq, (pre surge), we could not win that war. He wanted to divide Iraq into three segments. Well John McCain, Gen. Petraeus and GWB proved him to be so wrong. Biden's reward? He gets to be VP. Well, Obama did say he's change America.
Barack Obama has the duty to win in Afghanistan, no matter what it takes. If he isn't up to the challange, both he and Biden should resign. Oh wait, that would make Nancy Pelosi President, right? Man are we in trouble.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/16/2009 @ 2:20pm
Posted by Buddy33 at 10/16/2009 @ 2:05pm
What????? Unaddressed?????
Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/16/2009 @ 2:22pm
I have to agree with Arianna Huffington, and perhaps Katrina Vanden Heuval missed the point Arianna was making. Many politicians have merely gone along for the "ride", only later to write a tell-all book to absolve themselves. So, why not make the ultimate stance and really be a person of your convictions.
Posted by April22 at 10/16/2009 @ 2:40pm
Ariana is clever & out for the bucks (she'd like $200,000,000 for HuffPost, thank you very much). But she doesn't understand that the US does not have a parliamentary system like her country (Greece) or the country she was educated in (UK). Elected US officials like Biden don't resign, unless they've committed a crime.
Posted by sloper at 10/16/2009 @ 2:42pm
Arianna is and always has been an opportunist with no core values.
Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 1:28pm
Sounds a lot like Rush!
Posted by schnellerheinz at 10/16/2009 @ 2:46pm
Too bad KvH did not show such superior good judgment when she supported BO for his present level of incompetency. BO had long before his candidacy for the WH declared his belief that Af-stan was the "right" war and Iraq the wrong. He also declared that having taken the plunge, we cannot now simply withdraw from Iraq but must lessen our immersion "responsibly". That was not LBJ talking; that was RMN: "I have a plan for an honorable withdrawl" (1968). We did not withdraw until 1973. What price honor!
KvH and other gentile progressives still live with the hopes they expressed when they recommended voting for BO. Clearly, the progressives are too gentile for dealing with an articulate black-skinned presidential hawk. "Only the Super-Rich Can Save Us."
Posted by goedel at 10/16/2009 @ 2:49pm
Make American taxpayers cut a check once a month to pay for their proportional share of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
All troops would be back home in four months.
But that's not going to happen, is it? Our politicians, starting with Obama, need war to justify their own validity and solidify their own power through fear.
We are controlled through war and the threat of war.
So, sure, like Biden's going to resign over this... What was his vote again on Public Law 107-243???
Anyone ever gonna wake up?
Posted by ginza00 at 10/16/2009 @ 2:56pm
Make American taxpayers cut a check once a month to pay for their proportional share of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
All troops would be back home in four months.
But that's not going to happen, is it? Our politicians, starting with Obama, need war to justify their own validity and solidify their own power through fear.
We are controlled through war and the threat of war.
So, sure, like Biden's going to resign over this... What was his vote again on Public Law 107-243???
Anyone ever gonna wake up?
Posted by ginza00 at 10/16/2009 @ 2:56pm
Actually conservatives have been suggesting for decades that payroll withholding be eliminated and force people to write a check every month to the govt. It's the surest way to reduce govt spending when people realize how much the govt steals from us every month.
Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 3:13pm
Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 3:13pm
I agree. The very thought must cause politicians to laugh out loud.
Posted by ginza00 at 10/16/2009 @ 3:25pm
Its like being led into an intellectual quagmire. The power elite is giving us a multiple choice question with two answers: a) Obama - more troops in Afghanistan b) Biden - more drones in Pakistan. Choose one answer.
Posted by trueleftist at 10/16/2009 @ 3:34pm
"If Obama was suggesting to increase the size of Guantanamo, I may agree with Arianna, but deciding military tactics in an ongoing conflict does not rise to the same level."
~Extraneous at 11:48am
The above post could have been any number of randomly selected posts that ignores the underlying fact that the United States has become a nation of permanent war.
And the wars we wage today are all undeclared and unconstititutional. How the hell did we get here?!
I suppose James Carroll's "House of War" is as good a starting point as any to gain some understanding. Carroll, now a columnist for the Boston Globe, grew up roaming the halls of our house of war, the Pentagon, as his father worked as a general officer for the Air Force, and the Defense Intelligence Agency charged with reigning in abuses by the military intelligence community.
Boy, could we use some reigning in of abuses today.
Posted by b_kool_66 at 10/16/2009 @ 3:36pm
And the wars we wage today are all undeclared and unconstititutional.
Well said.
Posted by ginza00 at 10/16/2009 @ 3:45pm
Barack Obama has the duty to win in Afghanistan, no matter what it takes. If he isn't up to the challange, both he and Biden should resign. Oh wait, that would make Nancy Pelosi President, right? Man are we in trouble.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 10/16/2009 @ 2:20pm
What kind of a world do we live in where human life is written off as "oh well that's war".
What you and many pro-killing innocent people don't understand is the faster we kill innocent people, which we have been doing a lot of lately in Afghanistan, the faster you turn the people you are trying to help into the enemy because your logic is, well they are using them as human shields so it's not our fault but do you think the husband of the woman who was short by a US Marine will see it that way? Let me ask you this if I kicked down your door and killed your family but in doing so managed to protect you from a killer would you be happy I did it or would you want to kill me?
This is the problem with Americans, incapable of putting themselves in someone else's shoes. We are a country built on greed and selfishness. We are more concerned with "getting the job done" than preserving innocent human life. Then we make a big uproar if innocent American lives are taken because many here seem to be under the impression that American lives are worth more than anyone else's.
Look at it this way. We killed WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more innocent Iraqi civilians than innocent Americans have been killed by any Muslim extremist group in the entire history of this country. Does that make us bad? No. Does it make our intention lack good? No. But the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 10/16/2009 @ 3:52pm
Actually conservatives have been suggesting for decades that payroll withholding be eliminated and force people to write a check every month to the govt. It's the surest way to reduce govt spending when people realize how much the govt steals from us every month.
Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 3:13pm
Actually I pay most of my own taxes with a check because I mostly work 1099. I have no problem with how much I pay because I know my money is going to at least some decent spending.
"steals from us every month."
Does that include theft for military spending?
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 10/16/2009 @ 3:54pm
"If Obama was suggesting to increase the size of Guantanamo, I may agree with Arianna, but deciding military tactics in an ongoing conflict does not rise to the same level."
~Extraneous at 11:48am
The above post could have been any number of randomly selected posts that ignores the underlying fact that the United States has become a nation of permanent war.
Posted by b_kool_66 at 10/16/2009 @ 3:36pm
Your post bk66 is off topic and out of context in referring to my earlier post. I was not "ignoring" the fact that we are in a permanent state of war, I just was not adressing that issue. Actually, if you look at the context of my post, I was adressing issues associated with the article.
If you want to discuss the fact that our last administration gave a enormous lift to the military industrial complex, and how we should go about extraditing ourselves for this situation that is fine. Don't accuse me of ignoring underlying (partially related) facts.
Posted by Extraneous at 10/16/2009 @ 3:57pm
Unlike the Bush Administration, Obama looks for a wider variety of opinions. Not too wide but wider.
Posted by Dave Simpkins at 10/16/2009 @ 4:20pm
Unlike the Bush Administration, Obama looks for a wider variety of opinions. Not too wide but wider.
Posted by Dave Simpkins at 10/16/2009 @ 4:20pm
That of course is the problem. The previous administration was not hindered by taking a range of conflicting opinions as seriously as this present one seems to be.
If Obama came to the job convinced Afghanistan was a necessary war then surely the only relevant opinions he should be weighing up are concerned with how best to prosecute it.
The Left's tactic, as always, seems to be to confuse the issue by proposing that every argument should be listened to with equal seriousness. In that disingenuous process, aimed no doubt to produce inaction, it is quite apparent that it confuses itself.
The mistake it made with Obama was to assume he was playing its dissembling game and wasn't really serious about his "spin" on Afghanistan He thus was not fundamentally a "war monger" like that "Texas cowboy". Surprise, surprise.
Posted by lrjones4 at 10/16/2009 @ 5:34pm
Imminent, vs. pending threat...
This month lunatic attacks on the establishment are @ Pakistan. Next month or year, in the West somewhere. Very probably.
Taking military pressure off gihadists in their home regions is not a good idea. Neither is a Vietnam-style escalation to prop up a corrupt regime. Vietnam proved that no amount of troops and firepower can save a government which does not have support of it's citizens.
The only answer left, is for NATO to be the harasser of the Taliban element, not the occupier of Afghanistan.
Posted by reg373 at 10/16/2009 @ 5:37pm
The underlying factor is that America since WW2 has been the world's policeman and given its relative military power it is clearly the only single nation that can effectively be that. It has done that in partnership with a range of other nations successfully.
Though I think the al Qaeda justification for remaining in Afghanistan is flawed, the greater growing problem that needs "policing", it is becoming increasingly evident, is to prevent Pakistan becoming a failed state. That is important for world stability which is a necessary precondition for international peace.
It seems that Afghanistan fits into the picture only as it helps stabilise Pakistan. That in some measure seems to be in the mind of Obama but Biden is still locked into the anti-al Qaeda mentality which comes in well behind ensuring a nuclear armed Pakistan remains more or less within the Western orbit of influence, in terms of importance for world stability and hence peace.
The "peace" the Left has in mind is an irrelevant abstraction of the pie in the sky variety.
Posted by lrjones4 at 10/16/2009 @ 5:55pm
Santi- The people who pay their insurance premiums would know what type of thief you are if they realized what your commission level was. Of course that is just part of business right. I remember the commission levels,they were eye popping.
Posted by whatozz at 10/16/2009 @ 5:58pm
i think arianna is a smart, sexy lady (she's almost 60, and still looking dynamite) with fabulous taste and opinions. but frankly, i could care less about this. she's an extremely wealthy and powerful person (can you imagine bankrolling a campaign to replace gray davis, when you're up against the Terminator?), and so listening to her opinions, of which she has a good deal, is rather challenging to we working class intellectuals. and she only became liberal *after* george bush ruined everything (see: andrew sullivan).
i'm glad she has liberal opinions, but it's not as if she's "treading lightly" on this Mother Earth. she's a hard-working, hard-partying capitalist, just like all those rich freaks down in los angeles.
but, you know, has anyone noticed all the reporting on the 'slow sex' movement in her blog? you would never see that on a man-made blog, so that's a great thing......like i said, arianna's a very cool, relevant, intelligent, and confident woman.....as is the editor of this fine publication. in fact, it would be a close call, which editor is hotter: katrina or arianna?
Posted by darladoon at 10/16/2009 @ 6:32pm
and on this biden thing: biden shouldnt' resign. and to ask him to do so is totally absurd. i thought obama's selection of biden was sheer cynicism, but that's what politics is all about these days.
Posted by darladoon at 10/16/2009 @ 6:33pm
KVH is right to disagree with Huffington, but her argument is ridiculous.
The vice president is not being asked to execute any policy, let alone one he disagrees with. Nor is he being prevented from speaking out. His views are known. He does not need to resign to have the freedom to reveal his views.
Huffington wants Biden to use the threat of resignation to force the president to accept his advice. That is not a flawed argument, it is a proposal to blackmail the president, and plain stupid if not outright criminal.
What Katrina finds objectionable, and calls a flaw, is the idea of pursuing al Qaeda. She does not think it necessary and might cause harm to civilians. I don't know which of these two women is a bigger idiot.
But they face serious competition from Biden himself. He voted against the Gulf war, the one where the US forced Saddam to disgorge Kuwait. He thought that was wrong. And his solution for Iraq was to divide her into three independent countries, sunni, shia and Kurdish.
Posted by Pirovano at 10/16/2009 @ 6:54pm
Posted by lrjones4 at 10/16/2009 @ 5:55pm | ignore this person | warn this person
"Western" orbit, or non-Islamic?
IOW, non-Western countries are, in the neocon view, not interested in keeping the peace, as it were, but instead, WANT the world blown off its axis?
Posted by schnellerheinz at 10/16/2009 @ 6:55pm
Santi- The people who pay their insurance premiums would know what type of thief you are if they realized what your commission level was. Of course that is just part of business right. I remember the commission levels,they were eye popping.
Posted by whatozz at 10/16/2009 @ 5:58pm
You still don't know anything about me, the products I sell or what commissions I earn.
I'm not in this for the money. I help people save money.
I have never earned a six figure income in the insurance business, and that is intentional.
The last 5 years, I have earned less than 30k per year.
There is greed in any industry, so what? Are you out complaining about teachers who earn over 100k per year? How about the pacific dock workers? Crane operators down in Long Beach and Wilmington earn 150-200k per year. Does that bother you.
What is your point? that no one should make more than 25-30k per year?
Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 7:06pm
" I don't know which of these two women is a bigger idiot."
not the women, but the arguments. ok? the arguments might be idiotic, but not the women.
Posted by darladoon at 10/16/2009 @ 7:36pm
Posted by darladoon at 10/16/2009 @ 6:32pm
Well spoken.
Posted by winyahn at 10/16/2009 @ 7:41pm
If you saay that there is no imminent threat to US frim Afghanistan or Pakistan, then why are we there? We are occupying that country. Let those there work out their own preferences or we'll continue to appear as Bush...imperialists, trying to interfere.
Biden is right. We should look after our own country, rebuilding IT after the past decade's damages, Not throw away more $$$ on warfarwe.We are dying emotionally, and can only hope that all the young Americans ( including my son) who strongly supported Obama will not lose any more of the hope we had before all the tragedies ( including $$$ to Wall Street). bross
Posted by cross at 10/16/2009 @ 7:59pm
"Western" orbit, or non-Islamic?
IOW, non-Western countries are, in the neocon view, not interested in keeping the peace, as it were, but instead, WANT the world blown off its axis?
Posted by schnellerheinz at 10/16/2009 @ 6:55pm
Yes I thought about that after I had posted. A sort of modified "G20" orbit is probably somewhat more meaningful these days.
There are two considerations.
The first is that there are Arab and other non Arab Muslim countries that are broadly in the "Western orbit" eg Egypt, Turkey and Indonesia.
The second is we used to think in terms of East And West but Japan certainly and India and China increasingly are de facto or in China's case moving that way by its alliances. Pakistan also fits somewhere in that mix.
Posted by lrjones4 at 10/16/2009 @ 8:08pm
(de facto) members of the "Western orbit" (or.......
Posted by lrjones4 at 10/16/2009 @ 8:11pm
just to be clear: i agree with biden on this one particular issue, but arianna's proposal is counter-productive. if biden is right, which i believe he is, then he is better off at the top, then in the private sector, giving speeches.
Posted by darladoon at 10/16/2009 @ 8:11pm
just to be clear: i agree with biden on this one particular issue, but arianna's proposal is counter-productive. if biden is right, which i believe he is, then he is better off at the top, then in the private sector, giving speeches.
Posted by darladoon at 10/16/2009 @ 8:11pm
Let me understand, you now favor attacking Pakistan with more drones and special forces? I thought you were against the drones?
And I never saw you agree before with attacking more inside Pakistan.
Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 8:28pm
To goedel: So, you claim voting for Obama/Biden exercised poor judgment? If we had the alternative, we would be bomb bomb bombing Iran by now and an airhead would be a heartbeat away from the presidency. Not to mention that Obama's worst day is far and away better than Bush's best day. We have come a long way in a short time regardless of disagreements some of us have concerning Afghanistan.
Posted by leftcoastlarry at 10/16/2009 @ 9:14pm
By the Left's beloved Winger #2, Byron York:
Lefty anger splits Dems
By: Byron York
Chief Political Correspondent
October 16, 2009
(AP)
"Harry Reid abdicates his leadership role," reads the headline at the lefty Daily Kos Web site. "Why Joe Biden should resign," reads the headline at the Huffington Post. "Whiner in Chief," reads the headline at The Nation, referring to President Obama.
Self-styled progressives across the country are angry.....
"Can I speak freely about the liberal whiners?" asks a well-connected Democratic strategist. "These are the same people who.....
The White House, too, is growing sick of the whiners. NBC's John Harwood recently reported that Team Obama views the complainers as part of the "Internet Left fringe,".....
....."Old anonymous is, of course, full of s--t," writes prominent liberal blogger Jane Hamsher,.....
============================
Sound of Music!
Posted by Happy at 10/16/2009 @ 9:16pm
.....We have come a long way in a short time regardless of disagreements some of us have concerning Afghanistan.
Posted by leftcoastlarry at 10/16/2009 @ 9:14pm
Yes, we have! Onward march to leftcoast-like UNemployment & budget deficits spreading throughout the country.....Halleluja! The Messiah's best days are yet to come!
Posted by Happy at 10/16/2009 @ 9:20pm
Happy is in need of a lesson in economics. Unemployment is the last to turn as the economy turns. You can't undo the damage caused by Reagan/Bush economic policies overnight.
Posted by leftcoastlarry at 10/16/2009 @ 9:36pm
Posted by Happy at 10/16/2009 @ 9:20pm
Hi happy perhaps you could slip a word into Obama's ear about getting an Aussie to run your economy. Just had our fed bank raise interest rates 2 1/2 percentage points to 3.25% with the promise of another 7 of the same by the middle of next year to 5%. Unemployment dropped a bit to 5.6% last month. Roll on capitalism.
House prices are taking off again with an estimate of a further 20% rise over the next two years predicted. Getting a few cashed up immigrants from India and China is helping things along.
Population is predicted to increase 65% by 2050 mainly due to immigration but our birth rates are up a bit too. Suppose it takes the pain out of sex when the guvm'nt gives generous bonuses for producing legitimates as well as bastards. As our previous treasurer said about out breeding program: "one for mum, one for dad and one for the country". "Is six grand each enough?" or something like that.
That's the sort of stimulus Aussies seem to respond to.
Posted by lrjones4 at 10/16/2009 @ 9:52pm
darladoon, seconded by winyahn, wrote at 6:32pm
>> not the women, but the arguments. ok? the arguments might be idiotic, but not the women. <<
Since when?
You think only an argument can be inane, not a person?
This board specializes in suitcases without a handle.
Posted by Pirovano at 10/16/2009 @ 10:02pm
.......getting an Aussie to run your economy. Just had our fed bank raise interest rates......Unemployment dropped a bit to 5.6% last month. Roll on capitalism.
House prices are taking off again....
Population is predicted to....takes the pain out of sex.... or something like that.
That's the sort of stimulus Aussies seem to respond to.
Posted by lrjones4 at 10/16/2009 @ 9:52pm
Amen!
I've been spending tons of time drilling down into one specific condo project in Las Vegas......my offer went out already.
I went through the entire Clark County, Nevada tax roll for this project over several days......and I keep coming across Aussies doing some of the buying, and an occasional Brit.
I am somewhat bit puzzled, no continental Europeans...I would thought w/their strong Euros, I'd see at least one or two......I admit this is just one project of a few hundred units, very limited view of a pretty hot market there.
Posted by Happy at 10/16/2009 @ 10:49pm
To goedel: So, you claim voting for Obama/Biden exercised poor judgment? If we had the alternative, we would be bomb bomb bombing Iran by now and an airhead would be a heartbeat away from the presidency.
Posted by leftcoastlarry at 10/16/2009 @ 9:14pm
So true! Luckily, we elected Obama/Biden. So we're bomb-bomb-bombing Afghanistan, and an airhead is a heartbeat away from the presidency.
Posted by twillie at 10/16/2009 @ 11:11pm
Oh Arianna...
http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/sahara/rightplacewrongtime.htm
;^)
Posted by ttr at 10/16/2009 @ 11:45pm
Agree with Biden? Drone Pashtuns to death unless they do as we say? And kill any other Pakistanis who dare to show they aren't obedient to mad bombers, i.e. the cowards who send the drones.
Sick. Stupid. Ultimately suicidal. Nam redux.
Posted by sloper at 10/17/2009 @ 01:48am
I am somewhat bit puzzled, no continental Europeans...I would thought w/their strong Euros, I'd see at least one or two......
Posted by Happy at 10/16/2009 @ 10:49pm
Easy peasy Happy. Socialists got no money. The Gubermnt gets it all.
The only ones, apart from those who peddled the end of "rampant capitalism", looking sad over here are the ACC true believing doomsayers. This in today's news is what is making them cry:
Dams Show Signs of Recovery
Peter Rolfe
Sunday Herald Sun
October 17, 2009 5:49PM
"What a difference a bit of rain can make to Melbourne's water storages.
Five months ago, the city's water supply at Sugarloaf Reservoir was a dry, dwindling shadow of its former self at about 13 percent.
Yesterday, thanks to a flurry of Spring rain, it was back to a healthy 58 percent and growing.
More than 90 billion litres has been added to Melbourne's storages since Grand Final weekend and that tally is expected to soar to 100 billion litres in the coming week."
(GRAND FINAL Day (Aussie Rules Footy) is the most important day in the calender. How appropriately then that we measure what looks to be the breaking of the longest dry spell (about 15 years) in Victoria's history, with reference to our most sacred day).
Posted by lrjones4 at 10/17/2009 @ 02:46am
Posted by darladoon at 10/16/2009 @ 8:11pm
You agree with Biden?! I see, so to you, miss doon, killing people with machines controlled by people in computer rooms time-zones away is better in your opinion than having your troops killing in person?
People like you make me sick.
Posted by freiheit1 at 10/17/2009 @ 03:03am
Yes, we have! Onward march to leftcoast-like UNemployment & budget deficits spreading throughout the country.....Halleluja! The Messiah's best days are yet to come!
Posted by Happy at 10/16/2009 @ 9:20pm | ignore this person | warn this person
So true! Luckily, we elected Obama/Biden. So we're bomb-bomb-bombing Afghanistan, and an airhead is a heartbeat away from the presidency.
Posted by twillie at 10/16/2009 @ 11:11pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Isn't it cute the way the leftist totally IGNORE the abject failure of the Obamanation administration and the Demoncrat congress! They don't get it that these idiots have actually done nothing to aid the American people in the second worst recession ever in favor of violating our constitution just to consolidate future Demoncrat power only! How dumb can the left really be?
Posted by BigPasture at 10/17/2009 @ 06:07am
Isn't it cute the way the leftist totally IGNORE the abject failure of the Obamanation administration and the Demoncrat congress!
Posted by BigPasture at 10/17/2009 @ 06:07am | ignore this person | warn this person
Obamanation is just a continuation of Bush policies with more finesse. The neocon virus has embedded itself so strongly in America's political psyche, it will take years to remove it. What left? At the moment, there's right, far right and lunatic right.
Posted by trueleftist at 10/17/2009 @ 08:27am
"I see, so to you, miss doon, killing people with machines controlled by people in computer rooms time-zones away is better in your opinion than having your troops killing in person?"
i think the goal is reducing or eliminating civilian deaths. that's all i care about.
deaths of soldiers don't bother me as much as civilian deaths.
i don't like the idea of predator drones or missle attacks, but special forces seem a possibility.
the whole scenario is a god damned mess.
why don't we ask ourselves? gee, why does al qaeda want to kill americans?
i think the answer is fairly obvious.
Posted by darladoon at 10/17/2009 @ 10:47am
i think the goal is reducing or eliminating civilian deaths. that's all i care about.
deaths of soldiers don't bother me as much as civilian deaths.
i don't like the idea of predator drones or missle attacks, but special forces seem a possibility.
the whole scenario is a god damned mess.
why don't we ask ourselves? gee, why does al qaeda want to kill americans?
i think the answer is fairly obvious.
Posted by darladoon at 10/17/2009 @ 10:47am
Want to understand how much Darla hates the US, simply read this posting of hers.
Darla could care less if our soldiers die. She hates millions of Americans who serve this country.
Posted by antisocialist at 10/17/2009 @ 12:08pm
The war in Afghanistan is entering to the 9th year and there is no symptom of ending the war.A troop surge will not help there.Afghanistan is the graveyard of the empires for centuries. It is the history.See what happened to the Soviets?They fought it alone then.US and NATO allies are fighting are waging this war with the best war machines.The death toll of the coalition forces are mounting. The news of the bribe paying to the Taliban by the Italian forces for not attacking them are now open.What a shame.A pull out is the best option,the sooner, the better.
Posted by Dastu11 at 10/17/2009 @ 12:11pm
"Darla could care less if our soldiers die. She hates millions of Americans who serve this country"
for those who actually care, this is what i wrote:
"deaths of soldiers don't bother me as much as civilian deaths"
i don't know how one could misconstrue that sentence as "darla could care less if our soldiers die" or "darla hates our troops."
i think it's pretty obvious (to those of us who can read) what i wrote.
soldiers are trained to kill. so if they die, oh well. they were sent to afghanistan to do just that. either kill or die. in fact, more than 7,000 troops have died in iraq and afghanistan.
do you know who REALLY hates the troops? those who send them into unnecessary wars to die for a cause not worth fighting.
Posted by darladoon at 10/17/2009 @ 12:41pm
"Darla could care less if our soldiers die. She hates millions of Americans who serve this country."
Posted by antisocialist
Well Mr. Anti, I can't speaker for Darladoon, or for you Christians, but it seems to me serving your country and serving God are not always the same thing. Particularly now. Christ was crystal clear about violence, he said to turn the other cheek. You Christians love to tie yourselves in logical knots trying to make the war manual known as the Old Testament agree with Christ and his teachings, but it's not possible.
Like I said I can't speak for Darla, but at least she is ATTEMPTING to put the teachings of Christ, Buddha, decent people and/or God himself before the propaganda / lies of our politicians.
And now that Obama / Biden have been shown to be every bit the crazed neocons that the last dirtbags were, nothing could be more important for our (and the planet's) survival. Yeah, yeah, I know, you're gonna be rescued. Maybe if you actually read the Bible, you would know that the 'rapture' is the fabrication of hysterical lunatics and has NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER in the Bible, unless you consider taking the letters and re-arranging them to spell out Hamlet or MacBeth to be evidence that Shakespeare was an Israelite.
Posted by DejaVu at 10/17/2009 @ 12:50pm
And now that Obama / Biden have been shown to be every bit the crazed neocons that the last dirtbags were, nothing could be more important for our (and the planet's) survival.
Posted by DejaVu at 10/17/2009 @ 12:50pm
IRAQ REDUX? OBAMA SEEKS FUNDS FOR PAKISTAN SUPER-EMBASSY
ISLAMABAD -- The U.S. is embarking on a $1 billion crash program to expand its diplomatic presence in Pakistan and neighboring Afghanistan, another sign that the Obama administration is making a costly, long-term commitment to war-torn South Asia, U.S. officials said Wednesday.
The White House has asked Congress for -- and seems likely to receive -- $736 million to build a new U.S. embassy in Islamabad, along with permanent housing for U.S. government civilians and new office space in the Pakistani capital.
The scale of the projects rivals the giant U.S. Embassy in Baghdad, which was completed last year after construction delays at a cost of $740 million.
Posted by frosty zoom at 10/17/2009 @ 2:33pm
Santi- I don't have a problem with a long time teacher making $100,000 a year. If after 30 years and thousands of students taught well they can be well compensated. If you personally make less than $30,000 annually when running 3 businesses it tells me making money is not your main concern. You have plenty of money for your lifestyle. The question is do you have enough for 30 or so more years? You seem like you are going to refute Social Security and Medicare out of principle. Kudos to you.
Posted by whatozz at 10/17/2009 @ 5:34pm
I agree Katrina, we are much better off with Biden in the middle of things. These days there are to many people who view something like the act of resigning in protest as some kind of mandate in support of their own opposing views. Then you are left with that opposition element remaining in their position while Biden is out... that is the opposite of what we want. In addition to that, neo-con forces have already scored victories using meaningless tactics like Glenn Beck did against Van Jones. Caving in based on that ridiculous little man's talk show was the biggest piece of nonsense I've ever seen. No one cared whatsoever about anything that Beck had to say. That whole even was extremely ill advised.
Posted by Milhaus at 10/17/2009 @ 7:47pm
"deaths of soldiers don't bother me as much as civilian deaths."
"soldiers are trained to kill. so if they die, oh well."
Posted by darladoon at 10/17/2009 @ 12:41pm | ignore this person | warn this person
QUOTES OF THE CENTURY! from the most honest leftist HATER we know! ?
Posted by BigPasture at 10/17/2009 @ 9:45pm
Posted by DejaVu at 10/17/2009 @ 12:50pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Your total confusion concerning christianity and the teachings of Christ proves nothing and is certainly no premise for defending darlaloons postings.
Posted by BigPasture at 10/17/2009 @ 9:49pm
Leftwingnut
Anita Dunn is Barack Obama's Communications Director.
She tried starting a war with Fox News that left even leftwing commentators scratching their heads calling Obama a wimp. Claiming that Fox News is part of the right wing echo chamber, Dunn ran to CNN to complain about Fox News not offering sexual favors to Obama like . . . well . . . CNN and the other networks.
How dare it maintain its integrity!?!
Well, thanks to our friend Glenn Beck, we have Anita Dunn on tape declaring her favorite philosopher is Mao -- the Chinese Hitler. Mao led the communist revolution in China and became China's dictatorial and insanely paranoid leader.
Hitler sought to exterminate a whole race of citizen. Mao decided to exterminate all of his citizens, or at least significant classes of citizenry, driving many to suicide to avoid ritualistic violence at the hands of Mao's red brigade. Mao's response? "China is such a populous nation, it is not as if we cannot do without a few people."
Mao's political and philosophical writings read like Hitler's Mein Kampf. He drove the educated classes to starvation. Kids were put in charge of adults. Educated workers were forced to work in fields. He fostered a cult of personality that affects China even today.
She describes Mao as not just her favorite political philosopher, but one of the "two people I turn to most." The other, tragically or humorously depending on your frame of mind, being Mother Teresa. I can bet you that between the two it is not Mother Teresa who Anita Dunn looks to for guidance on abortion policy.
How in God's name is it acceptable for the woman in charge of the White House's communications shop to declare Hitler her favorite philosopher? The answer is that it is not. Why then is Mao acceptable?
Posted by BigPasture at 10/17/2009 @ 11:09pm
Biden, don't listen to Airhead HuffnPuff, you are the only thing standing between us if something happens to the Obamanation and Nancy kill kill kill the opposition Pelosi!
Posted by BigPasture at 10/17/2009 @ 11:15pm
I cannot stand the phony "liberal" and the so-called "progressive" fraud named Arianna Huffington.
Mrs. Huffington is nothing but a Newt Gingrich Republican who hated the Democrats in the 1990s and hung outregularly with the likes of Marvin Olasky, Alan Keyes, and David Horowitz yet now wants true leftists and radicals to take her seriously.
Arianna Huffington is not to be TRUSTED Now or EVER!!!! She is nothing but a high class socialite and social climber in the most elite clubs in America and in the major capitals throughout the world. Huffington again is not a "liberal" or "progressive" and to take her as such is not a good idea because she does not deserve any type of pedestal status by any true leftist or real progressive.
People like Huffington are real threats/dangers to any viable and long-term liberal/progressive agenda.
Huffington has also been very anti-Feminist in the past as well.
Posted by mercurysun1 at 10/17/2009 @ 11:49pm
Arianna Huffington is trying to channel Zsa Zsa gabor, not realizing that she isn't quite dead yet.
.....
Is Big Pasture telling us that he's actually read 'Mein Kampf'? I thought books were forbidden in the home.
Besides, Mao's writings are nothing like 'Mein Kampf'. Cruel and inhumane, but a completely different world of obsessive control. Anyway, Hitler never called anyone 'comrade'. I'm a big Francis Parker Yockey fan myself. Is there a t-shirt, I wonder?
Get a grip or the tractor is gonna get away from you.
Posted by ficheye at 10/18/2009 @ 02:17am
Posted by BigPasture at 10/17/2009 @ 06:07am
"Isn't it cute the way the leftist totally IGNORE the abject failure of the Obamanation administration and the Demoncrat congress! They don't get it that these idiots have actually done nothing to aid the American people in the second worst recession ever in favor of violating our constitution just to consolidate future Demoncrat power only! How dumb can the left really be?"
Abject failure? I think most of the lefties here will tell you, the recovery is just around the corner, and unemployment will go down, just as soon as we spend another trillion dollars we don't have. Rep. Pete Stark in California, for example, is on the record as saying the more money we borrow, the richer we are, and if you don't understand that, obviously you went to a poor school, and if you keep asking about it, he'll tell you to 'get the fuck outta here'! This is the ideological underpinning of the modern American left. And these are the ones who actually bother to attempt to rationalize their policies. The rest just figure that redistribution of other peoples' goods their way can only be a good thing for the country. This is what happens when you marry the modern presumption of entitlement so prevalent in our population with the personal desperation that it necessarily results in.
People keep expecting logic from the left. The fact is, there ain't any.
Posted by pontificus at 10/18/2009 @ 04:56am
Mercury, I also do not trust Arianna Huffington or her motives. I'm impressed with what she has accomplished, but her opinion pieces and statements on the news have been mostly provocative because they are so dissonant.
She's a queen bee and a huge ego.
Posted by klaess-barnett at 10/18/2009 @ 09:09am
It is all about business,hype,and money. Commentary by her seems to be coming at us from every angle. Every talk show and cable news outlet is popping her up in front of us. She seems to be the resident expert on a wide range of topics. The hype that is associated with multiple appearances and the attention that is drawn to the Huffington Post all convert into money one way or another.She loves being a talking head.
Posted by whatozz at 10/18/2009 @ 09:20am
Arianna Huffington built her political career in the Republican party of which she developed leanings for which power and strong conservatism. She was part of the right-wing revolution led by then House Speaker Newt Gingrich. Yet, now wants others to take her as a "liberal" or "progressive." The Huffington Post is leading the charge to destroy the newspaper business as Huffington poses as a "progressive" blogger. No, she is an opportunist and fabricates who she really is or what's behind her madness. Huffington and her business partner, Kenneth Lerer, a former AOL Time Warner executive, launched the Huffington Post. So, yes the Huffington Post is backed by big money players. Huffington's Post would create a political site that carried the writings and opinions of "ultimate insiders."
From Vanity Fair: "There were dinners at the Reagan White House, lunches at Le Cirque, and charity balls, at which Arianna--in lavish designer gowns and Bulgari jewels--frequently earned a mention in the gossip columns. Those columns also printed the rumors (cleverly encouraged by Arianna, some said) of her relationships with well-known men such as Jerry Brown and the publisher and real-estate magnate Mortimer Zuckerman.... The son of the Texas oilman Roy Huffington, Michael was 38 years old, tall, very handsome, and so reclusive that only five people in the world had his home telephone number. They met at a weekend party organized by Getty, (the heiress Ann Getty),,, Arianna returned to Washington in the fall of 1994 and threw herself into promoting the Gingrich Revolution. Night after night, in the heady aftermath of the Republican takeover of Congress and Gingrich's ascension to Speaker of the House, she threw parties in her vast, $4 million home, in Wesley Heights..."
Posted by mercurysun1 at 10/18/2009 @ 12:33pm
I wonder when Arianna will next "reinvent" herself?
Say what you want about The Nation or Katrina vanden Heuvel, but neither has to reinvent itself every five to ten years. I much prefer the articulate and honest Katrina vanden Heuvel over Arianna Huffington any day of the week.
From Vanity Fair: "Arianna's column, which was nationally syndicated beginning in 1995, cleverly articulated the anti-Clinton sentiments that animated the right wing in the 90s. "If Hillary is indicted," she asked in 1996, "can Al Gore become First Lady?""
No, I cannot say how much I distrust the entire Huffington Post and its well-connected to the elite, co- founder. From the New Republic's Isaac Chotiner article "The Puffington Host" states that:
"Arianna Stassinopoulos is now Arianna Huffington.....In 1973, Stassinopoulos, then a Greek immigrant and Cambridge graduate living in London, cleverly decided to pen a response to one of the era's most controversial feminists, Germaine Greer, and Greer's bestseller The Female Eunuch.... In retort, Stassinopoulos's The Female Woman called the women's movement "repulsive," and went on to claim that "it is not a movement calling for equal opportunities, equal pay, equal status for woman's role in life, in fact as well as in law; instead it attacks the very nature of woman, and in the guise of liberation, seeks to enslave her." Stassinopoulos espoused women's "emancipation" because it would allow women to play distinctly female roles, as opposed to women's liberation, which demanded "identical patterns of behavior." The Female Woman is a strange and unappetizing book. Stassinopoulos launches a confused attack on Mill, and writes that feminists and Nazis are ideologically simpatico because both groups wish to abolish the family..."
Posted by mercurysun1 at 10/18/2009 @ 12:56pm
Posted by BigPasture at 10/17/2009 @ 11:09pm |
Ironic, at best, that you, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, and Stalin are all in agreement on what to do with those troublesome educated folks once you get your hands on the reins of power.
Books aren't for home heating, Rio.
Posted by snowball777 at 10/18/2009 @ 2:04pm
While I agree that Biden's proposal may be dubious, I think that Arianna's idea in the bottom line is that we in the left need to start making strong stands to some of Obama's conciliatory policies because the administration is drifting more and more to the center and right.
So, will Obama take note. Not likely. He is determined to make history with a broad base support. And even more likely, he will not get the broad support he is seeking.
Posted by Frank42 at 10/18/2009 @ 3:59pm
"While I agree that Biden's proposal may be dubious, I think that Arianna's idea in the bottom line..."Posted by Frank42 at 10/18/2009 @ 3:59pm
I do not need any transient poser as "liberal" or "progressive" to enlighten me about real leftist ideals or peace issues. It fascinates me how these new self-proclaimed "liberals" who were once proud conservatives and trashers of liberal policies now reign with so-called "progressives."
Mrs. Huffington is a woman who supported the militarist policies of Mr. Reagan and the regressive social policies of Newt Gingrich. Thus, I do not need the likes of Mrs. Huffington to be the new spokesperson for the "left."
As I often say, Wake Up Liberals! and know a fraud when you see one. Katrina Vanden Heuvel is not going to be as blunt as I am but I do not trust any motives by the money-hungry, power-grabbing Arianna Huffington.
The left needs to be represented by lifetime radicals like Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky, John Pilger, Glen Ford, Margaret Kimberley, Bruce Dixon, Frida Berrigan, Phyllis Bennis, Tariq Ali, Jim Lobe, etc, rather than posers and political transients such as Mrs. Huffington. There are way better sites for leftists to go to as well, other than the Puffington Host! Start by checking out www.blackagendareport.com
Posted by mercurysun1 at 10/18/2009 @ 4:27pm
Årianna is a 'principled figure?'
Is that the same Arianna that is getting paid big bucks by Rupert Murdoch of FOX?
The same Arianna whose "Huffington Post" will give you the boot and FAST if you dare criticize Israel?
The same Arianna that was caught plagiarizing in her book about Maria Callas?
The same Arianna that was part of that slimy toad 'Newt" Gingrich's Republican Revolution?
When a rattlesnake sheds its skin, it isn't 'kinder and gentler' nor is it 'principled.
Posted by Greg Bacon at 10/18/2009 @ 4:42pm
Arianna is promoting Arianna. She is an insider or she would not be on the shows she is on. Joe Biden has got more foreign policy experience in his thumb than Arianna does. I'll say it for Joe,shut up Arianna.,
Posted by whatozz at 10/18/2009 @ 5:04pm
I would love for Biden to resign, good idea, Arianna!
(then Obama can find a more AIPAC-free VP)
Posted by Virginia888 at 10/18/2009 @ 7:01pm
Posted by Virginia888 at 10/18/2009 @ 7:01pm
Like Rahm Emanuel, is not pro-Zionist and in the pocket of AIPAC....Like the entire U.S. Senate Democrats and House Democrats are not in the pockets of AIPAC, as well as the Republicans????
Gimme a break....Arianna Huffington is also very pro-Israel and has the same views as AIPAC!!!!
So what is your point here????
Huffington once was great pals with David Horowitz and Newt Gingrich who also have identical views regarding Israel as AIPAC/Israel....
If there is one issue both parties have equal views, it is their pro-Israel, pro-AIPAC stance.
Yes, Biden is pro-Israel and AIPAC supports him. Obama is also pro-Israel, and even more so is the support of Israel and Zionism by Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel. Arianna Huffington sits on a board of directors with Ari Emanuel, Rahm's brother. And Arianna Huffington is also pro-AIPAC and pro-Israel as well. So, what is your pont here?
Ya think that by getting rid of Biden will change the U.S. Israeli Policy? I don't think so.
Posted by mercurysun1 at 10/18/2009 @ 7:13pm
"I admire Arianna Huffington. But her suggestion that Vice President Biden resign in opposition to Afghanistan escalation is, at best, deeply flawed."
yeah, that and it ain't gonna happen.
Posted by dexter666 at 10/18/2009 @ 7:38pm
yeah, that and it ain't gonna happen.
Posted by dexter666 at 10/18/2009 @ 7:38pm
Yeah we all know that but stop spoiling the fun of what if.
My favourite it ain't gonna happen : Obama is an intellectual. Bush, GW, is an idiot. Only idiots are warmongers.
Posted by lrjones4 at 10/18/2009 @ 8:46pm
Hey Gunslinger, are you a vet or an arm chair vet Chumu
Posted by chumu at 10/18/2009 @ 9:26pm
I agree Ariana of Huffingtonpost.com is wrong on Biden. It would be ludicrous beyond belief to suggest everybody whose advice is not reflected in the final presidential decision should resign. The president should hear all views and then make a final decision.
Posted by kevin99999 at 10/18/2009 @ 9:48pm
What bothers me is that Huffingtonpost.com seems to have adopted a policy of censoring readers comments based on the subject matter and the content.
Posted by kevin99999 at 10/18/2009 @ 9:51pm
Arianna,
Get over yourself.
Your hackneyed commentary, faux progressive posturing, and laughably persistent accent bely what you are and will always be: a cheerleader.
It doesn't matter who is winning, you'll be there, riding their coattails.
And the HTML for your 'Post' is an eyesore.
Posted by snowball777 at 10/18/2009 @ 10:08pm
My favourite it ain't gonna happen : Obama is an intellectual. Bush, GW, is an idiot. Only idiots are warmongers.
Posted by lrjones4 at 10/18/2009 @ 8:46pm | ignore this person |
well...
at least we agree about something...
Posted by dexter666 at 10/18/2009 @ 11:12pm
I never paid any attention to Arriana Huffington or the Huffington Post, I had no idea she is so hated. The last time I read anything about her was during her clown shoe act during the California gubernatorial recall. Maybe her turncoat status has something to due with American Republicans becoming a laughingstock in Europe as well. This person matters less to me today than ever, I want back the 30 seconds that I wasted typing this.
Posted by Milhaus at 10/19/2009 @ 12:06am
I want back the 30 seconds that I wasted typing this. Posted by Milhaus at 10/19/2009 @ 12:06am
...And a free ShamWow,
Posted by ficheye at 10/19/2009 @ 11:08am
seriously. thank you. no one ever finishes his (or george will's) sentence!
Posted by gabrielleg at 10/19/2009 @ 3:07pm
Ironic, at best, that you, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, and Stalin are all in agreement on what to do with those troublesome educated folks once you get your hands on the reins of power.
Books aren't for home heating, Rio.
Posted by snowball777 at 10/18/2009 @ 2:04pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Well, we do agree on something! Your biased anger failed to note that it is Obamantion communications director that actually ADMIRES such philosophies not I!
Reading and comprehension must be a real handicap!
Posted by BigPasture at 10/19/2009 @ 5:57pm
Posted by BigPasture at 10/19/2009 @ 5:57pm |
That's okay...we have remedial classes for your benefit.
Posted by snowball777 at 10/20/2009 @ 07:42am
Arianna is too full of herself.
don't believe your own press release, sweetie
Posted by emile duBois at 10/20/2009 @ 10:18am
A flaw. Generally awesome. Our Arianna.
Posted by winyahn at 10/21/2009 @ 10:21pm
Posted by winyahn at 10/21/2009 @ 10:21pm |
Yay team! <violently shakes pom-poms>
Posted by snowball777 at 10/22/2009 @ 08:38am