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RedditThis Memorial Day Sunday, Barack Obama did what he described as "pinch-hitting" for one of his personal heroes, Senator Edward Kennedy. From many accounts, Obama's commencement address at Wesleyan College was rousing and inspiring. The Nation's Katha Pollitt was there and wrote on a listserv, "he was really excellent. ... the college opened graduation to outsiders -- LOTS of people, black and white, came from the area to hear him. My daughter, a junior, said she found it inspiring. she not very political, so that is a high compliment." What an antidote to Sunday night's HBO special, "Recount" --with scenes bringing back memories of Florida's slithery Secretary of State Katherine Harris --and other GOP thugs--stealing away our democracy. Remember Justice Antonin Scalia's three word sneer, "Get Over It." Those were words the Justice invoked in defending the stealing of the 2000 election. So, this May 25th, 2008, we had two Americas at work: One on our tv screens--a docudrama (more drama than docu) about the selection of a President; the other, a real-life drama with Senator Barack Obama standing in one for one of America's greatest Senators, speaking to students and calling them, and all of us, to our better angels, with determined idealism and grounded pragmatism. You choose. Thugocracy or Democracy.
Here are remarks of Senator Barack Obama
Wesleyan University Commencement
Sunday, May 25th, 2008
Middletown, CT
Thank you, President Roth, for that generous introduction, and congratulations on your first year at the helm of Wesleyan. Congratulations also to the class of 2008, and thank you for allowing me to be a part of your graduation.
I have the distinct honor today of pinch-hitting for one of my personal heroes and a hero to this country, Senator Edward Kennedy. Teddy wanted to be here very much, but as you know, he's had a very long week and is taking some much-needed rest. He called me up a few days ago and I said that I'd be happy to be his stand-in, even if there was no way I could fill his shoes.
I did, however, get the chance to glance at the speech he planned on delivering today, and I'd like to start by passing along a message from him: "To all those praying for my return to good health, I offer my heartfelt thanks. And to any who'd rather have a different result, I say, don't get your hopes up just yet!"
So we know that Ted Kennedy's legendary sense of humor is as strong as ever, and I have no doubt that his equally legendary fighting spirit will carry him through this latest challenge. He is our friend, he is our champion, and we hope and pray for his return to good health.
The topic of his speech today was common for a commencement, but one that nobody could discuss with more authority or inspiration than Ted Kennedy. And that is the topic of service to one's country a cause that is synonymous with his family's name and their legacy.
I was born the year that his brother John called a generation of Americans to ask their country what they could do. And I came of age at a time when they did it. They were the Peace Corps volunteers who won a generation of goodwill toward America at a time when America's ideals were challenged. They were the teenagers and college students, not much older than you, who watched the Civil Rights Movement unfold on their television sets; who saw the dogs and the fire hoses and the footage of marchers beaten within an inch or their lives; who knew it was probably smarter and safer to stay at home, but still decided to take those Freedom Rides down south who still decided to march. And because they did, they changed the world.
I bring this up because today, you are about to enter a world that makes it easy to get caught up in the notion that there are actually two different stories at work in our lives.
The first is the story of our everyday cares and concerns the responsibilities we have to our jobs and our families the bustle and busyness of what happens in our own life. And the second is the story of what happens in the life of our country of what happens in the wider world. It's the story you see when you catch a glimpse of the day's headlines or turn on the news at night a story of big challenges like war and recession; hunger and climate change; injustice and inequality. It's a story that can sometimes seem distant and separate from our own a destiny to be shaped by forces beyond our control.
And yet, the history of this nation tells us this isn't so. It tells us that we are a people whose destiny has never been written for us, but by us by generations of men and women, young and old, who have always believed that their story and the American story are not separate, but shared. And for more than two centuries, they have served this country in ways that have forever enriched both.
I say this to you as someone who couldn't be standing here today if not for the service of others, and wouldn't be standing here today if not for the purpose that service gave my own life.
You see, I spent much of my childhood adrift. My father left my mother and I when I was two. When my mother remarried, I lived in Indonesia for a time, but was mostly raised in Hawaii by her and my grandparents from Kansas. My teenage years were filled with more than the usual dose of adolescent rebellion, and I'll admit that I didn't always take myself or my studies very seriously. I realize that none of you can probably relate to this, but there were many times when I wasn't sure where I was going, or what I would do.
But during my first two years of college, perhaps because the values my mother had taught me hard work, honesty, empathy had resurfaced after a long hibernation; or perhaps because of the example of wonderful teachers and lasting friends, I began to notice a world beyond myself. I became active in the movement to oppose the apartheid regime of South Africa. I began following the debates in this country about poverty and health care. So that by the time I graduated from college, I was possessed with a crazy idea that I would work at a grassroots level to bring about change.
I wrote letters to every organization in the country I could think of. And one day, a small group of churches on the South Side of Chicago offered me a job to come work as a community organizer in neighborhoods that had been devastated by steel plant closings. My mother and grandparents wanted me to go to law school. My friends were applying to jobs on Wall Street. Meanwhile, this organization offered me $12,000 a year plus $2,000 for an old, beat-up car.
And I said yes.
Now, I didn't know a soul in Chicago, and I wasn't sure what this community organizing business was all about. I had always been inspired by stories of the Civil Rights Movement and JFK's call to service, but when I got to the South Side, there were no marches, and no soaring speeches. In the shadow of an empty steel plant, there were just a lot of folks who were struggling. And we didn't get very far at first.
I still remember one of the very first meetings we put together to discuss gang violence with a group of community leaders. We waited and waited for people to show up, and finally, a group of older people walked into the hall. And they sat down. And a little old lady raised her hand and asked, "Is this where the bingo game is?"
It wasn't easy, but eventually, we made progress. Day by day, block by block, we brought the community together, and registered new voters, and set up after school programs, and fought for new jobs, and helped people live lives with some measure of dignity.
But I also began to realize that I wasn't just helping other people. Through service, I found a community that embraced me; citizenship that was meaningful; the direction I'd been seeking. Through service, I discovered how my own improbable story fit into the larger story of America.
Each of you will have the chance to make your own discovery in the years to come. And I say "chance" because you won't have to take it. There's no community service requirement in the real world; no one forcing you to care. You can take your diploma, walk off this stage, and chase only after the big house and the nice suits and all the other things that our money culture says you should by. You can choose to narrow your concerns and live your life in a way that tries to keep your story separate from America's.
But I hope you don't. Not because you have an obligation to those who are less fortunate, though you do have that obligation. Not because you have a debt to all those who helped you get here, though you do have that debt.
It's because you have an obligation to yourself. Because our individual salvation depends on collective salvation. Because thinking only about yourself, fulfilling your immediate wants and needs, betrays a poverty of ambition. Because it's only when you hitch your wagon to something larger than yourself that you realize your true potential and discover the role you'll play in writing the next great chapter in America's story
There are so many ways to serve and so much need at this defining moment in our history. You don't have to be a community organizer or do something crazy like run for President. Right here at Wesleyan, many of you have already volunteered at local schools, contributed to United Way, and even started a program that brings fresh produce to needy families in the area. One hundred and sixty-four graduates of this school have joined the Peace Corps since 2001, and I'm especially proud that two of you are about to leave for my father's homeland of Kenya to bring alternative sources of energy to impoverished areas.
I ask you to seek these opportunities when you leave here, because the future of this country your future depends on it. At a time when our security and moral standing depend on winning hearts and minds in the forgotten corners of this world, we need more of you to serve abroad. As President, I intend to grow the Foreign Service, double the Peace Corps over the next few years, and engage the young people of other nations in similar programs, so that we work side by side to take on the common challenges that confront all humanity.
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Compare this eloquent inspiring speech by Obama to HRC's lame letter of regret to the NY Daily News this weekend ... and who do you think makes the better leader? Hillary shills like Prof. Krugman notwithstanding, Obama has won & he needs HRC like he needs the flu ... or like McCain needs Bush.
Posted by sloper at 05/26/2008 @ 01:55am
Like a breath of fresh air...
Breathe it in deeply, and join hands...
Embracing our vision of true security...
On this very small planet we call home.
Get well soon, Edward!
Posted by ttr at 05/26/2008 @ 01:59am
Students around the world will soon be taught once again that the USA is good & just. Obama will get this process started.
Posted by Sorelish at 05/26/2008 @ 02:39am
Thanks, Katrina, for the fine post.
I have a dream of a Barack Obama presidency where, after his inauguration, he takes an FDR approach and addresses the nation directly in an updated version of the fireside chats. (I was inspired by the recent American Experience episodes on FDR that were absolutely scintillating and inspiring. I believe they should be available in streaming video soon at pbs.org under the American Experience site, The Presidents.)
The camera closes in from a wide angle view of the Oval Office with Barack Obama at his desk with sleeves rolled up, and the American flag behind him to a close-up of his face and shoulders.
"My fellow Americans, I come before you today to talk to all of us, from those who go about their day in total anonymity toiling to make ends meet to the high flying executive making critical decisions that will impact the lives of so many who have virtually no voice or protector to represent them in the deeply complex society of today.
The entire foundation of the Constitutional society that was created by our founding fathers was the culmination of a seemingly eternal climb from the mists of an agrarian past in such mythical lands of the Fertile Cresent, the Indus River Civilization and the Yellow River valley in eastern China. From the Holy Bible, to the Code of Hammurabi, to the Justinian Code, to the Koran, to the Divine Right of Kings, to the Magna Carta, through the Renaissance, the Reformation, the French Revolution and the American Revolution!
We recognize the distinct trend of a path toward a reality where all men are truly created equal, and are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. That among these rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
That path has not been straight and narrow, but has been fraught with danger at nearly every turn. We acknowledge the fact that the brutal institution of human slavery was embedded from our earliest days, and that the expansion of our lands was through the subjugation of Native Americans who inhabited the land before us. But the ideals of freedom, and liberty, and justice are not just cries into a hurricane wind, but an imperative for the future of all humankind.
We will not cave in to the craven short sightedness of the George Bush Imperium, but instead WE WILL RISE to the dictates of the founders of this land!
We are in this together now, whether there are those who would deny it or not. The entire globe is but a lifeboat that all of us now occupy. We must now rise to the challenge of a world grown small by the inexorable expansion of the human race to its current population of 7 billion.
Make no mistake my fellow Americans, the challenges we now face are unlike any of the challenges that have come before.
We must all rise to the realization that the imperative of liberty, and justice, and freedom for all is inextricably linked to the imperative of being a good shepherd of the resources of this finite speck of metal, rock, water and air that we call home......."
And he goes on to inspire the American people with a detailed outline for universal health care, affordable higher education for all, vastly improved public education through an American Peace Corps of teaching volunteers, renewed investment in our physical infrastructure, and massive investment in cutting edge high tech industry such as biotech, nanotech and computer tech, and last but not least, clean renewable energy technologies........and all of it financed by a dramatic downsizing of our sickly bloated "defense" budget, a fair taxation policy across the socioeconomic spectrum (including the reversal of Dubya's tax cuts for the uber-rich), as well as a concerted push for "smart" living (i.e. living on dramatically less consumption of imported fuel via a national fuel conservation movement).
~Hey, I never implied it would be easy, but this is a reasonable outline of what must happen if we wish to avoid the coming catastrophe that we are now steaming full speed ahead toward.
(And the above skeleton of a potential Obama speech would almost certainly have the immediate effect of re-inspiring the rest of the planet with a generous mass of the American gravitas that was carelessly whittled away by Dubya's feral regime.)
Posted by b_kool_66 at 05/26/2008 @ 03:46am
Correction to the above:
"We recognize the distinct trend of a path toward a reality where all men AND WOMEN are truly created equal......"
--And the respect accorded all of us must also include a respect for all of life on this planet as well.
Posted by b_kool_66 at 05/26/2008 @ 04:07am
By the way, what a nice breath of fresh air that the first several posts on this thread do not include those of our neighborhood right wing hanging chads, "Happy" et al.
Posted by b_kool_66 at 05/26/2008 @ 04:40am
Obama is The Postman.
The guy always delivers.
Posted by skeletonman at 05/26/2008 @ 07:10am
Nice Obama........Thanks to The Nation, progressives and a lot of people reading we can finally say goodbye to all this:
Bill/Hill play the race card over and over again: http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=148738&title=obama -wins-sc
Hillary and her kitchen sink: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_mcgO3Iva0
Redefining the rules...over and over: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9qd-P2bIiY http://www.slate.com/id/2188985/
NYTIMES wide awake: http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/04/23/ny-times-assails-clinto n-calls-for-primary-end/?icid=100214839x1200566522x1200019112
Hillary saying screw middle america: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/16/hillary-clinton-on-workin_n_970 17.html
HRC's 35 years of experience: - Served on WalMart board and had no issues with the labor policies there. - Formulated a disastrous health care plan that postponed universal coverage for years. - Had tea with foreign leaders. - Voted for the Iraq war, without reading the intelligence briefing - Scandal after scandal. Why oh why? * Cattle futures profiteering, Whitewater land deal, Death of Vince Foster, Removing V Foster's records, Firing White House travel off, Billy Dale criminal prosecut'n, Hiring Craig Livingstone, FBI files in White House, Rose Law Firm billing records - Within a couple of years managed to lose both the house and the senate due to vindictive and divisive politics - Claims she didn't know Bill was cheating on her? - Lost a campaign that was hers for the taking through ignorance, poor planning/strategy, and unappealing rhetoric. And then after she lost the nomination she sabotaged the Democratic party by smearing the front runner and praising John McCain....still going and going and going
Posted by moochnips at 05/26/2008 @ 07:38am
A good speech from Obama. If he gets as good (don't think he is now) in speaking extemporaneously....he'll stomp McCain in the debates.
As for "Recount"...it must be a balanced approach to 2000, given Ms vanden Heuvel objects to it so much....heheh
Posted by Mask at 05/26/2008 @ 07:46am
Obama is going to inherit as bad a situation as Jimmy Carter did. Energy crisis looming, debt load mounting, the dollar falling, 2 wars unfinished, a nation divided by "a uniter".
I am going to wish him luck, probably back him. But it is likely to end with the neo-cons and cons blaming Obama for their failed policies, after one term.
I hope I am wrong.
8:32am
Posted by crabwalk at 05/26/2008 @ 08:31am
Just think where we could be if all ya'll hadn't "wasted your votes" on AL Gore, and you had voted for the true progressive candidate in 2000.
Posted by crabwalk at 05/26/2008 @ 08:33am
Posted by crabwalk at 05/26/2008
Forget it, crab....aside from 0.34% last time and probably not much better this time (or the next 3 or 4 times, until they have to wheel Ralph out in a wheelchair and heart-lung machine)...
nobody's buying.
Posted by Mask at 05/26/2008 @ 08:46am
I know, MASK. But, they are hiding there pretty little heads in the sand, "hoping for change". Change they say they want, but are too afraid to deserve.
Posted by crabwalk at 05/26/2008 @ 08:59am
Will you be voting for the "real libertarian" this time around? Or are your libertarian beliefs just something you have hanging on your wall, something to show visitors?
Posted by crabwalk at 05/26/2008 @ 09:03am
Look at it this way;
We could actually have a real election this year, with multitudes of voters getting actual choice.
1: moderate republican
2: centrist democrat
3: true progressive
4: realistic libertarian.
Let the best man win.
Or, if IRV was given a chance...
If the sheep didn't buy into the 2 party system as being the only way, I would bet the donkaphant would poll well below 50%.
But, alas, the Federal Elections Commission and the power structure will NEVER let fair elections be held in this country. Why should they, they are donkaphants.
Posted by crabwalk at 05/26/2008 @ 09:09am
by "realistic" I mean an libertarian that isn't a total nutter, just a little nutter. At least this one isn't in jail while on the ballot. I don't find many of Barrs positions "realistic". But, he deserves time on the debate podium and a decent shot, like ANY other candidate that can get their name on the ballot.
9:16am
Posted by crabwalk at 05/26/2008 @ 09:14am
The overwhelmingly majority of Americans would be far better off if the US were a large Sweden. I've lived in Stockholm & I can guarantee you the average Swede has a far better life than the average American, in every respect, including personal freedoms. Sweden doesn't remotely resemble the police garrison state that the US has become under the leadership of self-styled liberty lovers. Only the ignorant or deceitful would claim otherwise.
Posted by sloper at 05/26/2008 @ 10:25am
In general the only way whatever are called liberals have differed from whatever are called conservatives on foreign policy has been tactics. It's very consistent over the years, and when things go wrong the conservatives tend to keep going while the liberal lament the lost opportunity of a benevolent idea gone awry. Really, we meant well by killing you, but we should have taken a different approach to it. There are exceptions, but Obama is not one.
Posted by onthehelm at 05/26/2008 @ 10:28am
LVL
You are indeed an ass ... as I am not "here" as you put it. Nej, tack; no, thank you. Enjoy your police state while you can.
Posted by sloper at 05/26/2008 @ 10:38am
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/26/2008
LVLIB....what does "wsws" stand for in the "wsws.org" website you cited?
Posted by Mask at 05/26/2008 @ 11:11am
So Larry,
What did your Vietnam experience consist of?
What were your MOS, unit, and mission?
We're all waiting with 'bated breath.
Posted by b_kool_66 at 05/26/2008 @ 11:46am
Pastor Larry,
We all know that Obama will have a monumentally difficult task when he assumes office. The challenges he faces at this point are likely to all but overwhelm him, and in any case, the modern American presidency has become more captive than captain vis-a-vis the military industrial complex. So, until we go bankrupt (which is not too far away) our nation has its balls firmly in the grasp of the multi-tentacled Pentagon beast.
How 'bout that aptly named F-22 Raptor by the way?
From wiki:
By 2006, the Pentagon said it will buy 183 aircraft, which would save $15 billion but raise the cost of each aircraft, and this plan has been de facto approved by Congress in the form of a multi-year procurement plan, which still holds open the possibility for new orders past that point. The total cost of the program by 2006 was $62 billion.[3]
In April 2006, the cost of the F-22A was assessed by the Government Accountability Office to be $361 million per aircraft.
And this from Counterpunch in 2001 (The Madness of the F-22 --Tiffany's on wings):
Even by historical standards the escalation in the price-tag for the F-22 has been jaw-dropping. Originally, the Air Force said it was going to purchase 880 planes for around $40 billion. Within a few months, the price doubled to $80 billion. In 1991, the Pentagon's Selected Acquisitions Review looked at the F-22 and decided that fewer planes should be built, scaling the order down to 680 planes for $64.2 billion. Then the 1997 Quadrennial Defense Review cut the number of planes even further: 339 aircraft for the same price. The $35 million fighter has now turned into a $190 million plane, four times the cost of an F-15.
But that's not all. When the GAO looked at the mounting cost overruns, they estimated that the $64.2 billion cap would only enable the Pentagon to buy 254 planes, 630 hundred fewer than originally advertised. Rep. John Murtha, the Pennsylvania Democrat, is even more circumspect. He predicts that only 150 fighters will be bought. In other words, the planes could cost as much as $350 million apiece.
None of this troubles Lockheed, as long as the entire $64.2 billion is spent. Indeed, the fewer "limited edition" F-22s Lockheed unloads on the Pentagon, the more "copies" it will sell to Israel, Germany, Chile and Indonesia. But what has all that money bought? Not much when compared to the F-15 and F-16. Even the Pentagon's top testing officer disagrees with the performance status of the F-22. In a December 20, 2000, memo to the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics, Phillip Coyle, director of Operational Testing and Evaluation for the Pentagon, concluded that the problems with the F-22 were so overwhelming that a decision on putting the plane into production should be delayed indefinitely.
~Have a Happy Memorial Day.
;-)
Posted by b_kool_66 at 05/26/2008 @ 12:23pm
That is a matter solely between me and my chain of command.----Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/26/2008
So after forty years, it's still "classified"? Doubt it.
So, why is it that you must remain so VAGUE about it, Larry?
Posted by Mask at 05/26/2008 @ 12:39pm
Well that's interesting, Pastor.
If true (a strong caveat of course), then you ought to be a fairly intelligent guy no?
How can you --in any rational universe-- justify the track we've been set upon by the buffoon that you apparently admire, or at least show great deference to?
I'm looking for signs of intelligence Larry. Give me your best shot.
(And Mask is correct, your vagueness after forty odd years is a strong indication that you're blowing smoke up our asses)
Posted by b_kool_66 at 05/26/2008 @ 12:56pm
Livery One. A person can easily get his ass blown away by straying onto "private property" almost anywhere in this country. Gun toting neo-fascists gleefully wait for an unwary hiker to stray onto a distant field & thus to be at least verbally assaulted for their "transgression". In much of Northern Europe the Right to Roam, that is, crossing or even camping on many areas of private property (on foot, not in your damned Hummer) is part of the Viking heritage. Your concept of freedom is as fuzzy as your religious claims.
Posted by Sorelish at 05/26/2008 @ 1:14pm
Re LVL's claims ... as Tennessee Williams' character Big Daddy put it in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof ... "I declare I detect the distinct odor of mendacity here." IOW, smoke. All very much in line with W&Co ethics of exaggeration & deceit.
Posted by sloper at 05/26/2008 @ 1:28pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/26/2008
Or....it's all bullshit.
I seriously doubt FORTY YEARS LATER and Vietnam lost, if you will....
that the secrecy of your "secret missions in Thanh Hoa or Son La" are still "vital" to our national security...or even still covered under any classification.
No.....I think it's because you'd have to provide SPECIFICS...and that a quick Google (or other search engine) search for a "Larry Robinson" and "U.S. Navy" and "Vietnam"....might turn up something less "gung ho". Like a Marine helo FAC who was behind the lines or something?
Posted by Mask at 05/26/2008 @ 1:38pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/26/2008
I will cheer Obama if he actually does something about terrorism. So far, it's been the worst joke perpetrated on the US since Tonkin.
you are confusing reaction with results.
Posted by crabwalk at 05/26/2008 @ 1:47pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/26/2008
Hey Rev False Witness..got breaking news for you, most of us on the "left" don't support Hamas. But, unlike you, we recognize why they are still around.
Posted by crabwalk at 05/26/2008 @ 1:52pm
And how many adherents does the World Socialist Party have in the US ?
Yep, gotta watch out for those menacing groups of 2000!
Posted by crabwalk at 05/26/2008 @ 2:04pm
Let us also pray that the next presidents to come won't have such plastic regard for the armed forces and won't use them as his playtoys and portfolio for his friends and family.
Posted by crabwalk at 05/26/2008 @ 2:06pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/26/2008
Well, isn't that lucky?
Your career as a "double-nought spy" for the Navy is still classified after 40 years...and we'll NEVER get to hear all the DETAILS of the combat you saw in Vietnam.
Tell ya what, since you offer no proof of your claims....I'll keep my opinion of it.
Posted by Mask at 05/26/2008 @ 2:33pm
And how many adherents does the World Socialist Party have in the US ?
Yep, gotta watch out for those menacing groups of 2000!----Posted by crabwalk at 05/26/2008
I'm sorry...is this from a guy who supports a guy who got ZERO-POINT-THREE-FOUR PERCENT (0.34%) of the vote in 2004?!?!?!
heheh
Posted by Mask at 05/26/2008 @ 2:34pm
Posted by Mask at 05/26/2008
Nope. That would be that menacing group of 42,000.
Why not the same hard-on for all the other third party candidates? All of whom, garnered enough votes to allegedly turn the rigged election, which Gore actually won?
Eric
Posted by Malcontent at 05/26/2008 @ 2:46pm
Posted by Malcontent at 05/26/2008
Well, Nader got 97,421 votes in Florida for the Greens, a decidedly left-of-center party
While Pat Buchanan got 17,412 (hard right of center) and Harry Browne got 16,102 (libertarian right)...
meanwhile John Hagelin (Natural Law, left-of-center) got 2,274 and Howard Phillips (Constitution, right-of-center) got 1,378.
So all total if you add up all the votes that could have added to Bush's total you get about 34, 892 (Buchanan, Browne, Phillips)...
while even DISCOUNTING Hagelin...
you get 97,421 votes for Nader.
Votes I remind you, could have been "vote-traded" in a solid Red or solid Blue state with no harm to the process (The brainiacs in the Nader Camp 'oddly' didn't think of that until later).
And given it would have takeon ONLY 600 of them to push Gore over the top....some 96,800 of the Naderites could have "kept their principles" and "not voted for 'nearly the same'" ...
and saved us TRILLIONS of dollars and THOUSANDS of American GIs and TENS of thousands of Iraqis.
And which is why in 2004....Ralphie only got 0.34% of the vote and won't do much better this time, because MOST of them have figured out what "principled voting" gets you....
i.e. (in this year)...."President McCain"!
Posted by Mask at 05/26/2008 @ 3:07pm
Posted by HAPPY3 at 05/26/2008
See, Naderites, for SOME reason HAPPY one of our arch-conservatives supports your "not guilty" verdict.....
hmmm?...wonder why that is?
Maybe cuz he's heavily into defense stock and Halliburton???
See, who says Ralph doesn't help the "little guy"?
Posted by Mask at 05/26/2008 @ 7:23pm
Thanks Mask, I needed the giggle.
Nader is a convenient whipping boy, nothing more. Beyond that, I have a hard time taking someone seriously whose only forays into politics is the traditional run for the big chair. Folks have every single right to vote for him, if for no other reason than to demonstrate some sense of their own self-righteousness. As far as I know he didn't make the ballot in WA, so I guess Im stuck with Grampa, Obama, or the nutjob libertarian.
Posted by yutsano at 05/26/2008 @ 8:13pm
Posted by yutsano at 05/26/2008
you could do a lot worse than Obama.
it's not only the inspiring speeches, what really seals the deal for me is the reasoned responses he gives to questions.
75 thousand people showing up for Barry. neither Hill or McSame have the slightest chance of equaling that.
that's PRESIDENT Obama to you.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/26/2008 @ 8:29pm
My sarcasm was belying the idea that I feel like I don't have options (and I'm mocking the Naderites) just because I can't vote for Nader. And no I won't write him in just for smug idealism. Obama invokes the best parts of our past while charting a way forward for our future, emphasis on OUR. If those who choose to vote for Nader knowing his odds for the White House are about the same as a snowball in Hades out of some sense of defiance, mazel tov. Me, I choose to buy into the hope Obama offers as opposed to the bitter cynicism of a all-or-nothing Nader.
Posted by yutsano at 05/26/2008 @ 8:39pm
whittled away by Dubya's feral regime.)
Posted by b_kool_66
uh, that's "fecal".
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/26/2008 @ 10:10pm
extemporaneously.
Posted by Mask
well, he does say "um" a lot.
Monday, May 26, 2008 10:12:00 PM
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/26/2008 @ 10:12pm
something to show visitors?
Posted by crabwalk
ouch!
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/26/2008 @ 10:14pm
Fortunately Obama is not likely to give that speech or attempt to turn this into a larger version of Sweden.
by the libster!
that's too bad:
Infant mortality rate (most recent) by country
221 Sweden 2.75 2008 est.
180 United States 6.30 2008 est.
Obesity (most recent) by country
#1 United States: 30.6%
#21 Sweden: 9.7%
Health Statistics > expenditure per capita
#1 United States: 6,096.2 $
#11 Sweden: 3,532 $
Teenage pregnancy (per capita) (most recent) by country
#1 United States: 1,671.63 births per 1 million people
#23 Sweden: 178.294 births per 1 million people
Life expectancy > Healthy years
#3 Sweden: 71.8 years
#22 United States: 67.6 years
Environment Statistics > Areas under protection (per capita)
#2 Sweden: 403.466 hectares per 1 million people
#40 United States: 11.7707 hectares per 1 million people
CO2 Emissions (per capita) thousand metric tonnes
#5 United States: 19.4839 per 1,000 people
#51 Sweden: 5.41667 per 1,000 people
Ecological footprint (hectares per capita)
#2 United States: 12.22
#10 Sweden: 7.53
Freshwater pollution Industrial organic pollutants per available freshwater
#30 United States: 1.14 tons/cubic km
#39 Sweden: 0.62 tons/cubic km
Carbon efficiency (Metric Tons/US Dollar GDP)
#42 United States: 1.77 CO2 emissions/$ GDP
#100 Sweden: 0.7 CO2 emissions/$ GDP
Municipal waste generation
#1 United States: 760 kgs per person per year
#16 Sweden: 450 kgs per person per year
Parliamentary seats > Female
#1 Sweden: 43%
#41 United States: 13%
Prisoners > Per capita
#1 United States: 715 per 100,000 people
#108 Sweden: 75 per 100,000 people
Income distribution > Richest 10%
#54 United States: 30.5%
#112 Sweden: 20.1%
Adjusted savings: net national savings > % of GNI
#69 Sweden: 10.95 % of GNI
#138 United States: 0.78 % of GNI
anyhoo................
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/26/2008 @ 11:31pm
You're using those facts again Frosty. Must be a Canuck thing.
Posted by yutsano at 05/27/2008 @ 02:05am
It's not really a shame he wont try and turn this into a bigger Sweden debate. There's no time for that right now. Right now, America has to hunker down and get to work on rebuilding our economy from the ground up before the dwindling oil reserves do it for us. I don't give a fuck if your the staunchest supporter of George Bush, or come from a family with Black Panthers in your family tree. Running out of oil is an issue for everyone, regardless of stripe. The only thing more drilling will do is stave of the inevitable. We know that. Staving off the inevitable is a useful step, but only if the inevitable is also changed to reflect something more positive.Otherwise, it's just passing on the collapse of society to the next generation.
So, I implore you, open your eyes! in a good 15-20 years (if that long), that investment in that oil company is going to look like a really bad idea. Waiting till the problem effects your life personally is suicide, as it will only effect you after the window of opportunity for change has passed. This is not a national security true, this is a global security issue. Society runs on oil, with the former president of the World Bank predicting peak oil for 2012, can we afford to run on oil any longer? Will we be remembered as the generation that witnessed the collapse of the greatest civilization humans have ever known?
Posted by shadow master at 05/27/2008 @ 05:00am
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/26/2008 | ignore this person | warn this person
facts...pfffft!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/27/2008 @ 05:57am
frosty, why is the "100 mpg car that's available now" apparently only known on the Internet (that bastion of objective fact and good editing/reporting)?
Feel free to use as many conspiracy theories as you need.
Posted by Mask at 05/27/2008 @ 06:10am
Mask
no conspiracy, doodles.
just time.
ta-ta!
heheh.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008 @ 06:41am
or don't you believe mr. kurzweil?
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008 @ 06:45am
$300/barrel oil will sure "adjust" the market.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008 @ 06:46am
Fros....are you being deliberately obtuse?
Your PM article said we could have a "100 mpg car....NOW". "now" as in this present moment or within a significantly short time-frame.
Okay...let's have one....3....2....1....Go!
Is it ready? Big Auto who are STRUGGLING to re-gain their market (or any market)...Ford on the verge of bankruptcy.....assembly lines ready to roll on "100 Mpg'ers"?
Why not?....it's here "now", isn't it?
Posted by Mask at 05/27/2008 @ 07:18am
oh well. At least Ralph Nader doesn't roll over and play dead on command, like say... Al gore.
You guys go ahead and hope for change
Some of us will actually vote for it. We might not get it, but at least we will try. You won't get change, and you won't try.
Posted by crabwalk at 05/27/2008 @ 07:39am
Who was that guy standing next to Gore in 2000?
Oh yeah! That's right, Jomentum, the republican wanna-be. Voted FOR the war, still backs it. Voted WITH chimpy a lot.
Where is ol' Joe going to appear soon?
[Senator Joseph Lieberman is scheduled to headline Pastor John Hagee's 2008 Christians United For Israel Washington-Israel Summit this July 22.]
Difference between Gore and Bush? Cheney lite.
Posted by crabwalk at 05/27/2008 @ 07:46am
Difference between Gore and Bush? Cheney lite.
Posted by crabwalk at 05/27/2008 | ignore this person | warn this person
flipped your lid? been standing too close to the heat?
your posts have gotten loonier and loonier. this is one of your worst. worser to come?
Posted by emile duBois at 05/27/2008 @ 08:24am
CRAB just still trying to assuage his "Nader guilt" (which we've discussed already).
Fortunately, as I said, Obama wins this fall...likely wins in 2012...
2016? and ol' Ralph will be OLD Ralph and even his die-hard cultists like CRAB can't make a case for an 82 year old man to be President.
And we'll be done with the goof....
uh, Nader I mean...heheh
Posted by Mask at 05/27/2008 @ 08:48am
Quit the bull. Two hundred miles per gal. car is as possible as getting to the moon.Then we can leave middle east and let them do what they alway do.Not one candidate mention higer mileage,mandatory now. not in the year 2050.
Posted by legion at 05/27/2008 @ 09:23am
Posted by mihnea at 05/27/2008 |
Dang, if not for that "native born" requirement of the Constitution....
we might have Nader's replacement for 2016 in this Romanian nutjob!
heheh
Posted by Mask at 05/27/2008 @ 09:29am
Posted by legion at 05/27/2008 | ignore this person | warn this person
pie in the sky.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/27/2008 @ 09:32am
And we'll be done with the goof....
uh, Nader I mean...heheh
Posted by Mask
well,
at least mr. nader says the truth(ish).
of the "viable" candidates, mr. obama is just the least worst of the worst.
as for mr. gore, people seem to forget that he and mr. clinton continued the war in iraq throughout their administration.
<i>September 3, 1996 Web posted at: 11:55 p.m. EDT (0355 GMT) WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. cruise missiles bombarded military targets in southern Iraq for a second consecutive day Wednesday, the Pentagon announced.
The second attack involved 17 missiles launched from four Navy ships in the Persian Gulf, sources told CNN. It was completed shortly before 9:40 p.m. EDT. (0140 GMT)</i>
for example...........
if only "OTHER" hadn't run in 2000........
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008 @ 09:45am
pie in the sky.
Posted by emile duBois
How to Build a 100 Mile-Per-Gallon Car ... Right Now
With gas prices at historic highs, PM consults some of the best minds in automotive design and engineering on how to hit the next big milestone in fuel economy. Yes, a four-door that gets 100 mpg really is possible--today, with modern tech. Here's the plan.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/how_to/3374271.html
pie can land many places....
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008 @ 09:47am
Cγutaώi pentru pace, rγzboiul.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008 @ 09:54am
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008
i suggest you learn to make distinctions.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/27/2008 @ 10:29am
Yes, a four-door that gets 100 mpg really is possible--today, with modern tech. Here's the plan.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/how_to/3374271.html
pie can land many places....
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008
Shit I want that car and the light bulb that has a 16-year life. I saw it on 60 minutes over 10 years ago. I guess they keep those things secret so Sylvania, Philips, and GE stay in business.
Posted by k330k at 05/27/2008 @ 10:44am
2 comments,
1. About Sweden - the question that someday may come up, if Sweden is attacked or threatened by an enemy we do not even perceive now and maybe doesn't even exist yet - is - "Who will come to Sweden's aid and Sweden's defense?"
The answer is the country that many of you libs say compares unfavorably with Sweden, if you get my drift. So much for your "statistics".
2. Katrina vanden Heuvel is all contorted about "Justice Antonin Scalia's three word sneer, "Get Over It.""
Could be the reason for the "sneer" is because it is a lie that the election in 2000 was stolen, a lie that has been disproven over and over again, but a lie all libs seem to believe in no matter what the facts are.
Free speech is fantastic but there is also a responsibility to be "responsible" in your speech, and when people (libs) go around promoting (to others in the world) that a horrible wrong occurred here that in fact did not occur, then it does unneccessary harm to our country.
All one has to do is search the web for the cronology of events in November 2000 to see that no election was stolen. You can even get this from the cronology provided by CNN, and CNN is certainly not promoting Republican or Conservative or George W. Bush "lies and propoganda". The disenfranchisement myth has been disproven also.
It is apparently standard practice when Democrats lose close elections to proclaim those elections were stolen.
In 2006 the Democrats won Congress. I have not heard or seen a single article anywhere in the public domain since then about any problems, disenfranchisement or stealing of votes in 2006. Amazing! I wonder if the two may be connected.
So now that all the "problems" we had with previous elections have been fixed, I would expect to hear no more complaints about stolen votes if the Republican candidate wins this fall.
Unfortunately, I can expect this only until election day, after which it will be proclaimed once again that the election was stolen, if the election does not come out the way libs want it to.
Posted by sjchermak at 05/27/2008 @ 10:57am
The answer is the country that many of you libs say compares unfavorably with Sweden, if you get my drift. So much for your "statistics"
BY sjchermak
WOW. GO GET 'EM AMERICA!!!!!
your kids may not be learning and poor people are dying without seeing a doctor,
but hey,
YOU CAN SURE BORROW MONEY TO GO KICK SOME BUTT!
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008 @ 11:09am
Posted by k330k at 05/27/2008
check the British movie " the man in the white suit"
Posted by emile duBois at 05/27/2008 @ 11:22am
Sidney Stratton: What's funny about it?
Daphne Birnley, Alan Birnley's daughter: It's just the suit. It looks as if it's wearing you.
Sidney Stratton: It's still a bit luminous...
Sidney Stratton: [it lights] ... but it'll wear off.
Daphne Birnley, Alan Birnley's daughter: Oh, no!
Sidney Stratton: No?
Daphne Birnley, Alan Birnley's daughter: No. Makes you look like a... knight in shining armor.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008 @ 11:26am
Hey frosty zoom,
2 questions,
1. Why are you making a comment about kids not learning? Public education has been destroyed in some places (a lot of places, but some worse then others) by liberalism, and the solution to the problems is to reverse the liberalism. So why are you citing this as a "wrong" or a "problem", since the fixes are things you probably would not agree with and the causes for the problems are things you probably would not agree are causes?
2. You say, "WOW. GO GET 'EM AMERICA!!!!! ". Actually, that is what a lot of Swedes will be saying if we have to go bail their butts out of a jam someday!
Posted by sjchermak at 05/27/2008 @ 11:32am
Couple of points.......
1. the "100 mpg car" is just the latest, more (slightly more) sane version of the old "pill that turns gasoline into water" urban legend. If it could be done, it'd be getting done and CNN and even Fox would be doing stories on it. Only a "It's being covered up, man" RESE'ism would make you believe otherwise.
2. Sweden is a non-factor. It has a TINY population compared to the US. Spends virtually nothing on defensee (for good or ill...and YES, they did rely on US to protect their ass in the Cold War days). And they are a homogenous culture with a TOTALLY different national psyche.
We can't "Swedenize" America...anymore than we could "Americanize" Sweden!
Get over it. (heheh)
Posted by Mask at 05/27/2008 @ 11:40am
Mr frosty zoom i see the sky is still a funny colour in your world. If your Canadian may i suggest you read a new book that just came out. Called The Truth About Canada by Mr. Mel Hurtig ,you may be a bit surprized and you also might learn something, i hope.
Posted by figtree at 05/27/2008 @ 12:13pm
Maybe I need some mental Viagra, but this tennis match of clever retorts doesn't strike me as all that inspired. There's almost a constant beyond the differing opinions: phony good manners. Often, a thin veil of proper debate with underlying, scummy cynicism and hostility. I think this is one reason republicans are 90% likely to pipe in with a negative Obama comment, only 10% or less chance of hearing who/what they are actually for - because they're generally even more cynical than lefties. Anyway, I'm not above any of all I'm pointing out just not in the mood to hit the ball back at the moment. Working on it I hope...
I personally don't doubt that there's dramatic, extant technology for autos / solar but not totally off the shelf, more likely something that would require massive infrastructure investment (a big government program! like maybe even 1/100th Iraq in scope) and that with this would come a true Kurzweilian transformation. I doubt it's all that hidden...
This is hardly hard science, but then again who needs science when they got God? Here's an olive branch LV, man of cloth gets over 50mph in one big car, over 70 in another after he prays.
http://www.hartselleenquirer.com/articles/2008/05/14/news/news1.txt
Posted by winyahn at 05/27/2008 @ 12:23pm
there are many places with more heterogeneous populations with similar stats.
plus, Ώisn't america the CAN DO! nation?
the cold war is over(ish).
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008 @ 12:38pm
the cold war is over(ish).
posted by me.
plus, the u.s. couldn't defeat the vietnamese nor can it defeat the iraqis.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008 @ 12:39pm
Your PM article said we could have a "100 mpg car....NOW".
i didn't write the article.
i think you know why we're still plagued by guzllrs.
washington + detroit + greed + gluttony + laziness = what we've got.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008 @ 12:40pm
Your PM article said we could have a "100 mpg car....NOW".
i didn't write the article.
i think you know why we're still plagued by guzllrs.
washington + detroit + greed + gluttony + laziness = what we've got.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008 @ 12:44pm
If the amount of damage Pres. Bush has accomplished during his time in office is an example of the influence of a President, then there might be hope with Obama as Pres. However, I think that Americans think that one person can fix everything for them, but he can only lead. We must do the work.
Posted by zhongman at 05/27/2008 @ 12:45pm
what, mask, doesn't believe in technological breakthroughs helping to make the world a better place?
<i>BTW, in 100 years, with technological advancements (unless halted by neo-Ludditism...no, not a personal attack)....we won't NEED to "cut back"...again Ray Kurzweil "The Singularity Is Near"...read it.
Posted by Mask at 02/15/2008</i>
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008 @ 12:49pm
We must do the work.
Posted by zhongman
that's what we pay the chinese for!
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008 @ 12:49pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008
Sure I do....in a reasonable and REALISTIC time-frame.
but seems the claim was that we had a "100 mpg car".....NOW.
Posted by Mask at 05/27/2008 @ 12:50pm
4th- The real point about Kurzweil and "Singularity"...is that TECHNOLOGY will be the solution, not stoicism. As noted some days ago, you worry about fresh water supplies. Your solution is "cut back"...mine is use technology (desalination and alternative energy) to create MORE fresh water. One's good for the short term (the VERY short term)...the other's good for the LONG term.
Posted by Mask at 02/16/2008
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008 @ 12:51pm
Toyota said Tuesday said it would offer a gasoline-electric hybrid with bigger batteries that could be recharged at any outlet, further stretching the gasoline the car uses. Though production is years away, experimental models built by independent mechanics have already demonstrated 100 mpg results.
Available now, if you do it yourself Though the 100 mpg car sounds like a myth, it turns out that such vehicles do exist -- only they're built in your neighbor's garage, not a giant production plant.
Known as plug-in hybrid-electric vehicles (aka PHEVs, or grid-connected hybrids), they're basically Priuses or similar hybrids that have been equipped with extra batteries so that they rarely use their gasoline engines at all. They get plugged into a wall socket at day's end.
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/SaveonaCar/The100mpgC arIsComing.aspx
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008 @ 12:54pm
BC News is reporting that a French company has developed a pollution-free car which runs on compressed air. India's Tata Motors has the car under production and it may be on sale in Europe and India by the end of the year.
The air car, also known as the Mini-CAT or City Cat, can be refueled in minutes from an air compressor at specially equipped gas stations and can go 200 km on a 1.5 euro fill-up -- roughly 125 miles for $3. The top speed will be almost 70 mph and the cost of the vehicle as low as $7000.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Air_car_runs_on_compressed_air_0104.html
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008 @ 1:05pm
I just wish they didn't make soap that's half gone after one shower.
Posted by winyahn at 05/27/2008 @ 1:05pm
mr. figtree:
May 14, 2008 Mel Hurtig might be the angriest man in Canada. He's angry at our "myopic" politicians, he's angry at our "selfish" big business, he's angry at our "continentalist" media -- and if you aren't angry at them, too, then he's probably angry at you. Hurtig has just released The Truth About Canada, which he claims is "one of the most anti-establishment books published in my lifetime" -- no small feat for a man of 75.
But don't call him pessimistic, he'd prefer patriotic. While The Truth About Canada may be the angriest book released this year, Hurtig's aim is didactic. "Canadians are incredibly proud of their country, with justification," he says. "Just look at the space we have, the resources, the people. The main point of my book is to show people that we're losing it."
hell, yeah!
this country is polluted.
hell, yeah!
globally warming.
hell, yeah!
ontario is the new michigan.
hell, yeah!
the current government is a member of the international republican party.
hell, yeah!
we're at war.
hell, yeah!
the country is being stripped of it's wealth.
hell, yeah!
mr. figtree, who do you think i am?
Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:33:43 PM
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008 @ 1:13pm
washington + detroit + greed + gluttony + laziness = what we've got.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008
Doesn't make any sense, FROSTY.
Why would Detroit DELIBERATELY lose money, when they could be making a fortune making those "100 mpg cars that we can have NOW"?
A quick re-tool of the lines and they'd be back to their 1950s MONOPOLY of the market....put Japan and Europe out of business.
Or is there a SIMPLER explanation???
Posted by Mask at 05/27/2008 @ 1:24pm
Hello figtree, eh?
I have not heard of the book you want frosty zoom to read but I searched the internet to find out what it was all about.
What I saw about Mr. Mel Hurtig was no surprise, and I did learn some things. I learned that Mel Hurtig appears to be a lib, with all the same stuff a lib here would provide.
Mel had five steps to "fix" Canada, listed here with my comments:
"Step 1: Reform the way we elect members of government. -- no different than libs here, apparently the elections do not come out the way Mel thinks they should, so of course the elections are wrong!
"Step 2: Increase taxes on large corporations. -- of course no different than what libs here want.
"Step 3: Curtail the foreign takeover of Canadian corporations. -- no different than libs here, "globalization" is proclaimed wrong
"Step 4: Increase social spending. "Step 5: Eradicate child poverty. I put these two together because they tie into each other. Libs here say increase social spending (by raising taxes, of course) and all problems will magically go away, Poof!. I guess libs in Canada believe the same. Doing this in Canada would achieve the same result it does here, child poverty not only not eradicated, but increased and made worse.
The one difference in this I saw is that Mel was concerned that "Thirty-three per cent of university students can't remember the third line of the national anthem". Of course, here in the States, many libs believe knowing much less singing the third line of The Star Spangled Banner is a sign of jingoism and xenophobia and engaging in oppression of other people, etc. etc. etc. Patriotism is proclaimed to be wrong here in the States, but I guess Canadian libs haven't gotten on board with this concept yet.
I guess I am ahead of 33% of university students because I know all the lines of O Canada and I know the middle part in French.
So what Mel Hartig appears to be is a basic garden variety lib with a Canadian twist whose "red herring" is telling Canadians that their country is being "Americanized"
I have been to Canada a lot and it is not becoming "Americanized"
I did see where Mel Hartig opinied that George W. Bush was going to annex Canada by 2007. Is there no limit to the wrong you libs think George W. Bush is capable of! It seems the annexation has not occurred according to schedule!!
Probably not a good idea for Frosty Zoom to follow your recommendation and read that book.
Posted by sjchermak at 05/27/2008 @ 1:29pm
I have been to Canada a lot and it is not becoming "Americanized"
Posted by sjchermak
utter nonsense.
you have no idea......
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008 @ 2:14pm
Posted by winyahn
look for hard milled soap.
or a liquid soap for the shower.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/28/2008 @ 01:01am
I have been to Canada a lot and it is not becoming "Americanized"
Posted by sjchermak
wait till you see mexico....
kids now go out for halloween.
one day, i was was walking through a small town when a fellow shouted at me "‘gringo, gringo!" while his wife called to her son "‘kevin, kevin!".
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/28/2008 @ 02:46am
Mask & FZ
The Aptera prototype (diesel) got 230mpg. If you live in Cali you can reserve yours today ($500 down - all electric or electric/gas hybrid)
http://www.aptera.com/
Posted by leftofcenter at 05/28/2008 @ 03:40am
Posted by b_kool_66
the American "revolution preceeded the French Revolution.
the American "revolution" was not a revolution. it was more of a secession.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/28/2008 @ 12:52pm
http://www.aptera.com/
Posted by leftofcenter
but california only exists on the internet!
plus, the aptera is not muy macho!
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/28/2008 @ 1:18pm
Hi frosty zoom,
You said above "wait till you see mexico.... "
I am not waiting! If you want to you can wait until I see Mexico, but it will be a long wait, for sure, because I have no intention of ever going there!
Posted by sjchermak at 05/28/2008 @ 5:18pm
because I have no intention of ever going there!
Posted by sjchermak
i pity your square little world.
i miss mιxico everyday.
again, you have no idea.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/29/2008 @ 12:23am
Posted by sjchermak at 05/27/2008 | ignore this person | warn this person
"libs" blah blah this, "Libs" blah blah that, "Libs" blah blah....
blah blah blah "libs" blah blah blah blah "libs" blah blah blah blah "libs" blah
.
Tell you what sjchermak, if you actually have something that resembles a 'point'...one that isn't some form of dismissal of "libs"...then post it...with links to actual facts.
If not, then why shouldn't everyone here dismiss your 'blah blah' exactly the way way you try to dismiss whatever you percive to be from "libs"?
Posted by Lillian at 05/29/2008 @ 10:03am
"Each of you will have the chance to make your own discovery in the years to come. And I say "chance" because you won't have to take it. There's no community service requirement in the real world; no one forcing you to care. You can take your diploma, walk off this stage, and chase only after the big house and the nice suits and all the other things that our money culture says you should by. You can choose to narrow your concerns and live your life in a way that tries to keep your story separate from America's. "
That was INSPIRED!
Posted by Lillian at 05/29/2008 @ 10:06am
whenever I see the phrase you libs, I turn the page.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/29/2008 @ 10:20am
Remember Perot's "you people"? Rush has been at this for more than a decade. Stoking those "working class whites" -- "you libs" are UnAmerican / unpatriotic / how dare you criticize the war prez!
Posted by winyahn at 05/29/2008 @ 7:10pm
Rush has been at this for more than a decade. Stoking those "working class whites" -- "you libs" are UnAmerican / unpatriotic / how dare you criticize the war prez!
Posted by winyahn at 05/29/2008 | ignore this person | warn this person
.
:-)
Over on another thread, sjchermak finally posted a link to back some lame point he was attempting to make.
Three guesses which far-right, hate-spewing, drug-addicted, fact-challenged, blowhard he linked to.
Posted by Lillian at 05/30/2008 @ 03:21am
That's hilarious. The keeper of the vaunted "institute" of 'advanced conservative analysis', or whatever he dreamed up. That weally big and smart cape-wearing, burger-toting conservative superhero. Flies the clear channel skies yelling and banking inspiring dittoheads everywhere...
Posted by winyahn at 05/30/2008 @ 07:11am