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RedditAs the poor and middle-class continue to bear the brunt of these hard economic times, struggling to pay for housing, food, heating and health care, the Pentagon today announced its request of $515.4 billion for its 2009 budget. (The Bush budget later revealed a correction – the request is actually $518.3 billion – the Pentagon "forgot" $2.9 billion of "permanent appropriations.")
According to the New York Times, this seven percent increase would make annual military spending, when adjusted for inflation, its highest level since World War II. Further, the budget request doesn't even include war funding, nuclear weapons programs, taking care of returning veterans, or covering the interest on defense spending's share of the debt. The Bush Administration has already increased "baseline military spending" by 30 percent since taking office, and the $70 billion Iraq supplemental alone was more than China's entire defense budget.
Meanwhile, the Bush Budget fails to address – and even exacerbates – real threats to security that Americans are experiencing every day. More people are going hungry, and the President proposes eliminating food stamp coverage for more than 300,000 people in low-income working families with children. More people can't pay their bills, and he would cut 22 percent from the Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program. The Community Services Block Grant, "a $654 million program that provides housing, nutrition, education and job services to low-income people," would be eliminated. The Hope VI housing program would also be killed. Representative Spencer Bachus of Alabama, one of 53 House Republicans who voted to support the program, told the Times, "The program has been a success. It has eliminated some of the most dangerous and distressed public housing in the country and created livable, mixed-income communities."
Also proposed are $170 billion in cuts to Medicare and $14 billion to Medicaid. Of course, tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans who are eating, sleeping, and generally living just fine, thanks, are preserved. As Frances Fox Piven, author of The War at Home: The Domestic Costs of Bush's Militarism, said today, "American wealth is being redirected toward the military and the rich. Meanwhile, the growing needs of Americans, especially the poor and the old, are being ignored. The instabilities in the US economy now becoming evident are more and more worrisome."
Joseph Cirincione, senior fellow at the Center for American Progress and author of Bomb Scare, told me, "The president's plan shows that the military-industrial complex has firm control of a budget now out of control. Given the growing financial crisis gripping this country, no one believes that these numbers are sustainable. But rather than make smart choices and begin a process that restores fiscal discipline, President Bush is spending like – well – like he's not going to be here next year when the bills come due." Cirincione points to Bush's missile defense requests to indicate the absurdity of the proposed budget: "Take just one number that illustrates the unreality of this unaffordable plan – $720 million for a Rube Goldberg anti-missile weapon system in eastern Europe. Intelligence assessments show that Iran does not have now – nor is it likely to have in the next ten years – a missile that could threaten Europe, let alone the United States.
Nevertheless the president is rushing to pour money that we don't have, on technology that doesn't work, to counter a threat that doesn't exist. Not only that, Bush wants to spend $4.5 billion over the next five years on a European anti-missile system that hasn't passed even basic tests, and which many experts believe will never work. The citizens in Poland and the Czech Republic, where Bush would house these weapons, don't want the bases. But Bush is still trying to force it down their throats, even as real domestic needs at home go unfunded. The Alaskan ‘bridge to nowhere' achieved political infamy for being a $1 billion budget item. This ‘weapon for nothing' has four times the cost and even less justification."
For Americans whose lives are threatened daily by how hard it is to make ends meet, the Bush defense budget is indeed just another Bridge to Nowhere.
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Ms vanden Heuvel....calmez-vous, madam.
The Bush budget is DOA...everybody knows that. THEY know that.
It's a negotiation and this is their first offer. Reid and Pelosi and Kent Conrad and the rest will offer theirs (with less, but not as less as YOU'd like, for defense...and more, but not as much more as YOU'd like, for domestic programs).
Then it's haggle, haggle, haggle,...Senator Wiffle of Wisconsin says "We want a tax on the top 1%"....but nobody wants a tax hike during an election year so that's dropped....Bush says "We want $50 Billion for F-135 Orbital Interceptor"...and Democratic Senator Hackeesak of Missouri where the F-135 Factory is pushes Reid for it and gets it....
and a bigger and more complicated mess that you'll REALLY hate, comes out in 2 months.
Posted by Mask at 02/05/2008 @ 11:11am
Sorry, my bad....
It's actually the F-136B Orbital Interceptor
heheh
Posted by Mask at 02/05/2008 @ 11:16am
Bush couldn't resist one more chance to piss in the pool before he's thrown out.
Real class act, that one.
Posted by Dr Decibels at 02/05/2008 @ 11:18am
Posted by MASK 02/05/2008 @ 11:16am |
ooh ooh - how bout a bussard ramjet space battleship?
Posted by ibbleblibble at 02/05/2008 @ 11:24am
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 02/05/2008 @ 11:24am
"If we don't build the Ragnorok Bomber...the terr'erists win"---Dubya
By the way, I had THIS one as a kid! Pretty cool [fantastic-plastic.com]
Posted by Mask at 02/05/2008 @ 11:29am
hey, where's reverend cluster bomb?
there's money to be ma...
i mean there's troops to save!
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/05/2008 @ 11:33am
I'd love to know where all this military money is going. It isn't going into the paychecks of the men and women serving. I can personally vouch for that. It isn't going to supplies since I have to beg for printer cartridges.
We have a Fraud, Waste and Abuse Hotline. I wonder if they'd investigate the White House?
Posted by FritztheCat at 02/05/2008 @ 11:40am
The Center for Policy and Budget Priorities
"The combined annual total of the tax cuts enjoyed by this top 0.3% of American households (three-one thousandths) would exceed the entire amount the federal government invests in elementary and secondary education."
Freakish.
Posted by V at 02/05/2008 @ 11:43am
More people are going hungry, and the President proposes eliminating food stamp coverage for more than 300,000 people in low-income working families with children.
let 'em chew on the budget report. i bet publishing the document that few will read will cost more than the food stamps.
fuck, if i were president, i'd invite them over for dinner every day.
More people can't pay their bills, and he would cut 22 percent from the Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program.
attention, mr chavez. more gringos need assistance
"The program has been a success. It has eliminated some of the most dangerous and distressed public housing in the country and created livable, mixed-income communities."
double up the bastards in FEMA trailers
Also proposed are $170 billion in cuts to Medicare and $14 billion to Medicaid.
not a problem. let 'em die
Of course, tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans who are eating, sleeping, and generally living just fine, thanks, are preserved.
hey, somebody's got to oversee the borrowing of chinese money
The instabilities in the US economy now becoming evident are more and more worrisome."
what do you mean? how could $22,000,000,000,000 in debt cause instability?
Given the growing financial crisis gripping this country, no one believes that these numbers are sustainable.
la dee da dee da
President Bush is spending like – well – like he's not going to be here next year when the bills come due."
it's the american way!
Intelligence assessments show that Iran does not have now – nor is it likely to have in the next ten years – a missile that could threaten Europe, let alone the United States.
no, but they've got ROW BOATS OF TERROR!!!!!
Nevertheless the president is rushing to pour money that we don't have, on technology that doesn't work, to counter a threat that doesn't exist.
that's what the constitution tells him to do. sheesh.
The citizens in Poland and the Czech Republic, where Bush would house these weapons, don't want the bases.
let 'em move to okinawa, the ingrates.
But Bush is still trying to force it down their throats,
he learned that from clinton
The Alaskan ‘bridge to nowhere'
from here to there, funny things are everywhere.
For Americans whose lives are threatened daily by how hard it is to make ends meet, the Bush defense budget is indeed just another Bridge to Nowhere.
but the terrorists.........NEWSFLASH! TERROR LEVEL RAISED TO BLOOD RED
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/05/2008 @ 11:48am
Posted by JOMAMMA 02/05/2008 @ 11:45am
IT'S THE DMV I TELL'S YA!
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/05/2008 @ 11:50am
Posted by MASK 02/05/2008 @ 11:29am |
nice! i had the entire star trek line of models. loved pretending they were blasting each other with their byoo-cannons [tinyurl.com] until i burned them all up over fire ant piles in my fire fascination phase and blasted them with fire crackers...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 02/05/2008 @ 11:54am
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 02/05/2008 @ 11:54am
something i know you will appreciate like no other will:
Here are leading contenders for the "Dumb Down" gold medal:
Presenter: What happened in Dallas on November 22,1963?
Contestant: I don't know, I wasn't watching it then
Presenter: Which American actor is married to Nicole Kidman?
Contestant: Forrest Gump
Presenter: In which country is Mount Everest?
Contestant: Er, it's not in Scotland is it?
Presenter: Name a film starring Bob Hoskins that is also the
name of a famous painting by Leonardo da Vinci
Contestant: Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
Presenter: In which European city was the first opera house
opened in 1637?
Contestant: Sydney
Presenter: How long did the Six-Day War between Egypt and
Israel last?
Contestant: (after long pause) Fourteen days
Presenter: Where did the D-Day landings take place?
Contestant: (after pause) Pearl Harbor?
Presenter: What is the currency in India
Contestant: Ramadan
Presenter: Johnny Weissmuller died on this day. Which
jungle-swinging character clad only in a loin cloth did he
play?
Contestant: Jesus
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN3156204620080131?sp=true
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/05/2008 @ 12:08pm
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 02/05/2008 @ 11:54am
Can't beat the Revell plastic models. Kids today will never enjoy the thrill of....a missing part.....a glob of rubber cement sealing the missile hatches ("that really open!") of your USS Benjamin Franklin....putting bottle rockets on your "Spindrift" from "Land of the Giants" and trying to LAUNCH THAT BABY!
BTW, back on-topic, I understand in the new Bush budget there is $313 Million for a US Navy study of domesticating and training of Sea Monkeys to attack underwater installations!
Posted by Mask at 02/05/2008 @ 12:10pm
Posted by MASK 02/05/2008 @ 12:10pm | ignore this person
then there werre the model glue headrushes...woooo....
that romulan warbird took like 5 minutes to slap together - it was the gigantic bird decal that gave me problems...
byoo byoo byoo!
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 02/05/2008 @ 12:08pm
this is still one of my faves...
stoopid [tinyurl.com]
Posted by ibbleblibble at 02/05/2008 @ 12:17pm
Posted by MASK 02/05/2008 @ 12:10pm
and if hillary is president, they will be flying sea monkeys.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/05/2008 @ 12:18pm
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 02/05/2008 @ 12:08pm
"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some kind of federal program."------George W Bush----USA Today, St. Charles, MO (November 2, 2000)
Posted by Mask at 02/05/2008 @ 12:21pm
** Recessional: the Rotting Legacy of 43 to 44 **
1. Better-defined imperial limits: in distance, treasury, internal unrest.
2. Pox Americana harassed at every frontier supply line.
3. Richer rich, poorer poor, dying middle.
4. Tyrannical social control at home erases living memory of a democratic republic.
Those wretched ephemeral babblers lusting after the purple in '08 notwithstanding, a slide into the abyss can only be slowed, not reversed.
No reforming political force yet exists which can not be enslaved or aborted by MIXR: the military-investor & xian-right.
Little Bush, our postmodern Caligula, vigorously catalyzes the rot of Empire. This is not necessarily a bad thing.
"Those whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make demented."
bipolar2 © 2008
Posted by bipolar2 at 02/05/2008 @ 12:38pm
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 02/05/2008 @ 12:08pm | ignore this person
many of these are entertainment questions, a field so ephemeral, that knowing or not knowing them proves nothing.
much also depends on how the question is phrased. you also have to be of a certain age to know who Johnny Weissmuller, for example, was.
Posted by emile duBois at 02/05/2008 @ 12:54pm
A billion hear a billon there doesnt make that much of a difference. The largest military expenditure since WW2? Of course it is we are fighting two wars actually that might be more than two. Al Queada and other anti-American forces in Iraq, The taliban and Al Queada in Afganistan and the general war on terror that really doesnt have a specific location. Is all this worth it for security that I'm not even sure that we have achieved? I wonder.
Carol
Posted by harriscrl3 at 02/05/2008 @ 12:57pm
Posted by HARRISCRL3 02/05/2008 @ 12:57pm | ignore this person
you have been brainwashed. you are reciting the gov't line. read more. try Juan Cole, et al
Posted by emile duBois at 02/05/2008 @ 1:02pm
The largest military expenditure since WW2? Of course it is we are fighting two wars
what were they fighting back then? the entire comparison is absurd. the US was fighting two world powers with formidable armies, some battles were the largest the world has ever seen.
Iraq and Afghanistan? meddling and fomenting civil wars, cruel occupations, an airwar against civilians in a country that has no air force. no one is covering themselves with glory there.
why do you thing the soldiers are so suicidal? because the surge is working?
Posted by emile duBois at 02/05/2008 @ 1:07pm
why do you think...
Posted by emile duBois at 02/05/2008 @ 1:08pm
Why do you think that terrorists are using retarded people packed with explosives as suicide bombers? Because the war is boosting terrorist recruitment levels to never-before-seen numbers?!?
You're right though. We should leave Iraq and Afghanistan and let those guys take over.
Posted by usc1 at 02/05/2008 @ 1:29pm
Posted by USC1 02/05/2008 @ 1:29pm | ignore this person
I put it in the context of the aerial bombardment of civilian neighborhoods, and I deplore both of them.
unlike you, whose morality is very selective.
who has tanks in Iraq? the insurgency? they use the weapons they have, disreputable as they might be.I don't find this surprising.
Posted by emile duBois at 02/05/2008 @ 1:33pm
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/action/ignore.mhtml?who=usc1
perhaps you'd like to take a crack at it. why ARE the soldiers so suicidal?
Posted by emile duBois at 02/05/2008 @ 1:40pm
Posted by EMILE DUBOIS 02/05/2008 @ 12:54pm
many are geography questions. i try to avoid ridiculing people but this is anonymous and i imagined ibbs would appreciate the content.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/05/2008 @ 2:02pm
Posted by HARRISCRL3 02/05/2008 @ 12:57pm
EEK!!!
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/05/2008 @ 2:03pm
Why do you think that terrorists are using retarded people packed with explosives as suicide bombers?
Posted by USC1 02/05/2008 @ 1:29pm
that "retarded" thing seems like psyops to me.............
i mean bombs are expensive. seems like "retarded" folks would be pretty lost on the streets of baghdad. how'd they reach their targets?
were they on remote control, too?
left, right, left, right..........
more like these women were so fed up with being fucked around in their own backyard they lost their minds and went a-killin', most probably in god's name.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/05/2008 @ 2:10pm
Emile:
I couldn't tell from your reply...do you want the terrorists to take over in the ME?
I'm not sure what you mean by "so suicidal." I don't think suicide is new to the current war. As far as I remember, soldiers committing suicide has always been a part of war, even "just" ones like WWII...we just never heard about it probably because it was bad for morale...the military and country's.
unlike you, whose morality is very selective.
Say which? Based on what?
Posted by usc1 at 02/05/2008 @ 2:10pm
the aerial bombardment of civilian neighborhoods.
Posted by EMILE DUBOIS 02/05/2008 @ 1:33pm
oh yeah, god blessed those planes, too.
sheesh.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/05/2008 @ 2:12pm
FZ
The report I read stated that they were retarded women who frequently frequented (haha) the marketplace...so well known that guards didn't frisk (plus they were women). Bombs were detonated by remote.
That's what I heard...
Posted by usc1 at 02/05/2008 @ 2:14pm
Posted by USC1 02/05/2008 @ 2:10pm
so, if suicide is so common in war,
¿¡¿¡¿¡¿why go start a completely unnecessary one?!?!?!?
and better yet,
¿why put oneself in a position where a war such as this would be even remotely necessary?
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/05/2008 @ 2:15pm
in a civil war, there are terrorists on both sides. I want them to settle it, with America taking the high road and assisting in cease fires, demilitarization and negotiations. you cannot do that while you are bombing civilian neighborhoods.
Posted by emile duBois at 02/05/2008 @ 2:16pm
That's what I heard...
Posted by USC1 02/05/2008 @ 2:14pm
perhaps, that is what you were TOLD.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/05/2008 @ 2:16pm
after WW1 there was a wave of suicides. not to that extent after WW2.
you are very blithe about it too. what me, worry. of course it isn't your fat ass that's on the line, so you can afford your heroic views.
Posted by emile duBois at 02/05/2008 @ 2:18pm
no matter who or what the suicide bombers are, a great section of the population agrees with them. it's a civil war.
Posted by emile duBois at 02/05/2008 @ 2:20pm
Posted by USC1 02/05/2008 @ 1:29pm
Excuse me, USC, but given "the Surge" is on-going...and your comments about "retarded suicide bombers" was something that happened DURING the Surge....
we can NEVER leave, can we?
Posted by Mask at 02/05/2008 @ 2:26pm
after all, iraq is full of retards.....................
Muḥammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī was a Persian [ooh, the iranians again] Islamic mathematician, astronomer, astrologer and geographer. He was born around 780 in Khwārizm[2] (now Khiva, Uzbekistan) and died around 850. He worked most of his life as a scholar in the House of Wisdom in Baghdad.
His Algebra was the first book on the systematic solution of linear and quadratic equations. Consequently he is considered to be the father of algebra,[3] a title he shares with Diophantus. Latin translations of his Arithmetic, on the Indian numerals, introduced the decimal positional number system to the Western world in the 12th century.[4] He revised and updated Ptolemy's Geography as well as writing several works on astronomy and astrology.
squish them.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/05/2008 @ 2:39pm
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/05/2008 @ 2:39pm
are there any mistakes in the constitution?
have any ever been found?
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/05/2008 @ 2:40pm
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 02/05/2008 @ 2:39pm | ignore this person
like Egyptians,or the Chinese, the Iraqis have not been these people for some time.
you are however astute to highlight the Islamic culture. it is very deep and very broad.
mistakes in the constitution? it was a fraud from the start.
Posted by emile duBois at 02/05/2008 @ 2:47pm
"...but it might be a refreshing change if they ever decide to follow the Constitution."----Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/05/2008 @ 2:39pm
Two questions-
1. Do you expect that EVERYTHING done since FDR is going to be "wiped away" anytime soon (i.e. the next 50 years)? And 1-B, do you anticipate ANY politician, even those you support, being successful in enacting said roll-back to Herbert Hoover?
2. If not, why do you continue to involve yourself in political discussions then?
Posted by Mask at 02/05/2008 @ 2:50pm
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/05/2008 @ 2:39pm
depends upon interpretation of the document.
Posted by ibbleblibble at 02/05/2008 @ 2:52pm
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/05/2008 @ 2:39pm | ignore this person
who died and left you to decide what is and what isn't constitutional?
Posted by emile duBois at 02/05/2008 @ 2:52pm
Posted by EMILE DUBOIS 02/05/2008 @ 2:52pm
¿jesus?
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/05/2008 @ 3:04pm
Gente que vive en la pobreza y nadie hace nada porque a nadie le interesa.
La gente de arriba te detesta y hay más gente que quiere que caigan sus cabezas.
Si le das más poder al poder, más duro te van a venir a coger,
porque fuimos potencia mundial y somos pobres nos manejan mal.
Dame, dame, dame todo el power para que te demos en la madre,
give me, give me todo el poder so I can come around to joder.
Dame, dame, dame todo el power para que te demos en la madre,
give me, give me todo el poder so I can come around to joder.
molotov -- dame el poder.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/05/2008 @ 3:20pm
I realize that ever since FDR, liberals have not concerned themselves with Constitutionality when it comes to spending taxpayer dollars, but it might be a refreshing change if they ever decide to follow the Constitution.
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/05/2008 @ 2:39pm
Fucking moron. Your arrogance becomes your ignorance.
Posted by Dr Decibels at 02/05/2008 @ 3:20pm
Katrina's laundry list of social spending is not part of the enumerated powers of Congress as detailed in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution.
I realize that ever since FDR, liberals have not concerned themselves with Constitutionality when it comes to spending taxpayer dollars, but it might be a refreshing change if they ever decide to follow the Constitution.
If would be jaw-dropping if you did. The Constitutional Republic has long had a clause in Article II that reads:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States.
Although the term "general welfare" is vague, the idea of Congress using that as a basis for programs in fact antedates FDR. As early as 1792, Congress passed a law (1 Stat. 229 (1792)) giving bounties to cod fisherman based on the size of their boats and their catch. The first interstate highway program was, in fact, the Cumberland Road, appropriations for which commenced in 1806 (2 Stat. 357 (1806)). Thus, a broad interpretation of the spending power goes back to the Founding Fathers.
There is also the power to regulate interstate commerce. Consequently, Congressional regulation is permissible as long as it concerns an object or instrumentality of same. That includes product safety, discrimination (by, for example, hotels which are in the stream of interstate commerce), labor (although people aren't an object of commerce, their labor is).
Posted by brunowe at 02/05/2008 @ 4:21pm
Posted by BRUNOWE 02/05/2008 @ 4:21pm | ignore this person
nice post.
medical cannabis? interstate commerce?
Posted by emile duBois at 02/05/2008 @ 4:34pm
Posted by BRUNOWE 02/05/2008 @ 4:21pm
In fact, I was wrong. LVLIBERTY, if true to those ideals, couldn't even support HOOVER...who did put out government expenditures for public works projects to try to blunt the Depression.
Posted by Mask at 02/05/2008 @ 4:44pm
we can NEVER leave, can we?
Posted by MASK 02/05/2008 @ 2:26pm
No. The point was that our presence in Iraq and Afghanistan might not be the recruiting tool that the libs thought it was. After all, if recruiting was that great, why would they be using women, children, and retarded women and children to do their dirty work? Perhaps it's because reasonable Iraqis see the how wrong the terrorists are?
Posted by usc1 at 02/05/2008 @ 5:20pm
you are very blithe about it too. what me, worry. of course it isn't your fat ass that's on the line, so you can afford your heroic views.
Posted by EMILE DUBOIS 02/05/2008 @ 2:18pm
I'm just stating the reality of suicide during wartime...you seemed surprised by the fact that there were suicides. Besides that, I'm more on the skinny side, thank you.
I do have family and life-long friends serving, so please quit pretending as if people who disagree with you have no chips in the game.
Posted by usc1 at 02/05/2008 @ 5:31pm
WOW!!!
Look at these exit polls:
Alabama: Obama 60, Clinton 37... Arizona: Obama 51, Clinton 45... Connecticut: Obama 53, Clinton 45... Delaware: Obama 56, Clinton 42... Georgia: Obama 75, Clinton 26... Illinois: Obama 70, Clinton 30... Massachusetts: Obama 50, Clinton 48... Missouri: Obama 50, Clinton 46... New Jersey: Obama 53, Clinton 47...
Hillary is only winning her home state of New York, AND LOSING EVERYWHERE ELSE!!!
Change from status quo trumped experience by 54% to 24% and Obama got the change vote 72% to 22% for Hillary!!!
THE COUNTRY REALLY WANTS CHANGE!!!
Posted by Metteyya at 02/05/2008 @ 6:57pm
They are today 30% smaller than in 1990. Where we had 2,046,806 men and women in all the services 18 years ago, today they total only 1,378,014.
misleading. back then we had come from a 50 year confrontation with the soviet empire. today our enemies are 19 guys with box cutters.
incidentally, the soup kitchens in this country are running out of food, due to large increases in demand.
what was the national debt in 1990 and where does it stand now?
you are a very young person Fritz Canyon. was dad a Nazi too?
Posted by emile duBois at 02/05/2008 @ 7:20pm
Posted by USC1 02/05/2008 @ 5:20pm
So...you just admitted that we will maintain a massive and MONUMENTALLY EXPENSIVE presence in Iraq....forever?
Posted by Mask at 02/05/2008 @ 7:38pm
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/05/2008 @ 5:48pm
So, if a Federal project encompasses paying citizens for public service endeavors (roads, rails, etc.)....you have no problem with it?
Posted by Mask at 02/05/2008 @ 7:39pm
you are a very young person Fritz Canyon. was dad a Nazi too?
Posted by EMILE DUBOIS 02/05/2008 @ 7:20pm
Yo! Leave me outta being grouped with the neo-nazi!
Posted by FritztheCat at 02/05/2008 @ 7:44pm
Posted by MASK 02/05/2008 @ 7:38pm
I don't know where you got that from. All I said was that it sounds like recruiting for terrorists could be scraping bottom.
Posted by usc1 at 02/05/2008 @ 8:13pm
so, if suicide is so common in war
I din't say it was common. I said it happens...just a fact.
¿why put oneself in a position where a war such as this would be even remotely necessary?
That depends on the reason of the day for the war...if you want to believe that this was about oil...fine, get the enviro-nuts to simmer down about drilling for oil/gas in the US of A.
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 02/05/2008 @ 2:15pm
Posted by usc1 at 02/05/2008 @ 8:24pm
perhaps, that is what you were TOLD.
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 02/05/2008 @ 2:16pm
Perhaps...
have you been told differently?
Posted by usc1 at 02/05/2008 @ 8:26pm
Only partially correct. Interstate Roads, rails, and river passages do fall under the commerce clause of Article 1, Section 8. Therefore, those public works projects fall under the jurisdiction of the Fed.
Actually no, the commerce clause consists of the regulating of commerce, it doesn't deal with federal appropriations for building roads, canals, etc.
The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State."
Which of course doesn't cover domestic problems of national scope and therefore doesn't really buttress your argument. Of course, you've ignored the cod fishing bounty that I mentioned or the fact that Hamilton, who also co-wrote the Federalist papers, was an advocate of a similar subsidy program to encourage manufactures. In short, you had Madison's interpretation and you had Hamilton's. The Congress of the period followed Hamilton's.
Posted by brunowe at 02/05/2008 @ 8:58pm
sorry, I was going for a common germanic thing. certainly not you. sorry
Posted by emile duBois at 02/05/2008 @ 10:01pm
even the name defense budget is fraudulent, we are not playing defense we are offensive, in both senses of the word.
Posted by emile duBois at 02/05/2008 @ 10:02pm
One of the early English kings had a ring on which was engraved the words: "HE WHO SPENDS MORE THAN HE EARNS KILLS HIMSELF WITHOUT STRIKING A BLOW". Perhaps such a ring should become part of the insignia of office of the President of the US?
Posted by mikecope at 02/06/2008 @ 06:28am
I would like to really investigate how much is wasted on all the entitlement programs with all the redundancey, fraud and uselessness of many of the programs for domestic vote buying....lord knows we have enough lawyers in this country to do the work...offer a reward in real dollars for all the waste and give a percent to those who ferret it out...
Posted by JOMAMMA 02/05/2008 @ 11:45am
How much money are we throwing into the bottomless pit in Iraq, while giving billions to Pakistan who harbors Bin Forgotten? The damn pentagon is spending more money than rest of the countries together in the name of national defense. Please explain how that's using our tax dollars wisely. We should cut the Pentagon spending down to about 100 billion a year or less and put that money into infrastructure in the form of interstate high speed rail ways, and vehicles that are fossil fuel free, or at least waaaay more efficient than what we are using now.
You guys who claim to be businessmen and follow Bush and the neocons like puppies on a dog collar can't seem to realize the fraud, waste and abuse in the military industrial complex. Keep in mind that the pentagon and DOD are also starting to outsource weapon systems development to the lowest bidder and they don't care if that lowest bidder is China.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 02/06/2008 @ 06:54am
By Richard A. Clarke The Philadelphia Inquirer
Friday 01 February 2008
When I left the Bush administration in 2003, it was clear to me that its strategy for defeating terrorism was leaving our nation more vulnerable and our people in a perilous place. Not only did its policies misappropriate resources, weaken the moral standing of America, and threaten long-standing legal and constitutional provisions, but the president also employed misleading and reckless rhetoric to perpetuate his agenda.
This week's State of the Union proved nothing has changed.
Besides overstating successes in Afghanistan, painting a rosy future for Iraq, and touting unfinished domestic objectives, he again used his favorite tactic - fear - as a tool to scare Congress and the American people. On one issue in particular - FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) - the president misconstrued the truth and manipulated the facts.
Let me be clear: Our ability to track and monitor terrorists overseas would not cease should the Protect America Act expire. If this were true, the president would not threaten to terminate any temporary extension with his veto pen. All surveillance currently occurring would continue even after legislative provisions lapsed because authorizations issued under the act are in effect up to a full year.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/020308Z.shtml
Listen to the troops.
Posted by crabwalk at 02/06/2008 @ 07:41am
Posted by USC1 02/05/2008 @ 5:20pm
Delusional.
Liberals including Mask continually want to ignore the Constitution because they know they cannot get each state to fully implement all of the socialist/big government programs they want.
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/05/2008 @ 5:45pm |
One again, you operate under the false assumption that mot people are not liberal in their outlook. People WANT those programs.
how do the neo-con budget conscious Bush lovers account for the fact the Chimpy does not count ongoing military operations into his "defense" budget? It is absurd!!
Christian conservatives: spend all you want on guns, nukes, tanks and bombs, not a dime to help the impoverished and under educated. Not a dime to protect our food supply.
Jesus would be so proud!
Posted by crabwalk at 02/06/2008 @ 07:49am
So it is no surprise that in one of Bush's last acts of relevance, he once again played the fear card.
While he has failed in spreading democracy, stemming global terrorism, and leaving the country better off than when he took power, he did achieve one thing: successfully perpetuating fear for political gain.
Sadly, it may be one of the only achievements of his presidency.- Richard A. Clarke is the author of "Against All Enemies: Inside America's War on Terror," and former head of counterterrorism at the National Security Council
Posted by crabwalk at 02/06/2008 @ 07:52am
Serious question for the cons:
List the number of new, functioning democracies that have come about due to the GWOT and war in Iraq.
Posted by crabwalk at 02/06/2008 @ 07:53am
Also, please describe how the war in Iraq is falls under "common defense" of the nation and is constitutional under the War Powers Act.
Posted by crabwalk at 02/06/2008 @ 07:54am
By Ann Scott Tyson Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, February 1, 2008; Page A04
The U.S. military is not prepared to meet catastrophic threats at home, and it is suffering from an "appalling gap" in forces able to respond to chemical, biological and nuclear strikes on U.S. soil, according to a congressional commission report released yesterday.
The situation is rooted in severe readiness problems in National Guard and reserve forces, which would otherwise be well-suited to respond to domestic crises but lack sufficient personnel and training, as well as $48 billion in equipment because of deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, according to a report by the Commission on the National Guard and Reserves.
Guard readiness has continued to slide since last March, when the panel found that 88 percent of Army National Guard units were rated "not ready," said retired Marine Maj. Gen. Arnold L. Punaro, the commission chairman.
Neo-con legacy
Posted by crabwalk at 02/06/2008 @ 07:58am
One of the early English kings had a ring on which was engraved the words: "HE WHO SPENDS MORE THAN HE EARNS KILLS HIMSELF WITHOUT STRIKING A BLOW". Perhaps such a ring should become part of the insignia of office of the President of the US?
Posted by MIKECOPE 02/06/2008 @ 06:28am
don't forget the 13 trillion in consumer debt...............
oh, and the MINUS! .5% savings rate.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/06/2008 @ 09:08am
Posted by WOLFGANG1 02/06/2008 @ 06:54am
yeah!
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/06/2008 @ 09:10am
Listen to the troops.
Posted by CRABWALK 02/06/2008 @ 07:41am
listen to the iraqis.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/06/2008 @ 09:11am
List the number of new, functioning democracies that have come about due to the GWOT and war in Iraq.
Posted by CRABWALK 02/06/2008 @ 07:53am
the united states appears to be getting a little closer.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/06/2008 @ 09:12am
objects in mirror are closer than they appear
Posted by emile duBois at 02/06/2008 @ 11:57am
Posted by EMILE DUBOIS 02/06/2008 @ 11:57am
LOL!
Perfect analogy for ChimpCo, a house of smoke and mirrors.
"Ignore the man behind the curtain!"
or
"'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality"- actual quote from the neo-cons. Did you see that neo-cons, "We are an empire". They said it themselves. It is not a librool fantasy as you would like to believe.
Posted by crabwalk at 02/06/2008 @ 12:19pm
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/action/ignore.mhtml?who=crabwalk
wait and see what comes out next year, when the dems have the keys to where the secrets are kept, and when the repub canaries start to sing. the stonewalls will crumble and their crimes will become visible.
Posted by emile duBois at 02/06/2008 @ 12:21pm
".fine, get the enviro-nuts to simmer down about drilling for oil/gas in the US of A."-USC1
Yes, let us drill for 2% of the oil we consume, so it can be sold to the nearest customer, Japan, not used in US SUV's. That would be the result of ANWAR.
USC, how many gas wells and nookyular waste depositories may we put behind your neighborhood? Don't you find it funny that these things never get built next to gated, well heeled communities?
Posted by crabwalk at 02/06/2008 @ 12:23pm
Check out the link below. I cut and pasted part of this article in quotes below. So, once again, we, the U.S. taxpayer can afford to build friggin schools in Pakistan, build roads and support them with billions of dollars, but for our own citizens BUSH WON"T DO A DAMN THING!!! If Bush is a patriot, I'm afraid to see what the neocon definition is of a traitor.
http://voanews.com/english/2008-02-06-voa41.cfm
"The United States has launched an ambitious aid plan in an effort to counter militancy in Pakistan's tribal areas.
Over the next five years U.S. officials plan to spend $750 million to create jobs, open schools, build hundreds of miles of new roads and improve literacy in an area where nearly no one can read.
This is in addition to the billions of dollars in U.S. aid flowing to the Pakistani Army to fight the militants."
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 02/06/2008 @ 12:23pm
Posted by EMILE DUBOIS 02/06/2008 @ 12:21pm
I will not hold my breath. The Donkaphants are conjoined fetal twins.
Posted by crabwalk at 02/06/2008 @ 12:24pm
I'm afraid to see what the neocon definition is of a traitor.
Valerie Plame
Ray McGovern.
But Scooter Libby and G. Gordon Liddy are heroes! The twisted logic of the neo-cons can not be unwound and analyzed by rational thought, it must be viewed through a prism of fear and greed.
Posted by crabwalk at 02/06/2008 @ 12:26pm
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/06/2008 @ 12:25pm
for a person that has defended Bush for years to lecture on Constitutional issues is laughable, at best.
I just have to wonder how much more good evangelicals could do if they were not so afraid of the "Gay Agenda" and did not use it as a wedge issue to garner votes from their Qaida. I would also like to note that many fundies are coming around to the hippy lie that the environment is important, just as they eventually came along on suffrage, workers rights and civil rights.
Perhaps it is fashionable to mock because they believe in flying horseys and a 6000 year old Earth? After all, I have heard more than one minister scoff at Wicca beliefs and pronounce it bad mojo, why should they get any better treatment than they give?
Posted by crabwalk at 02/06/2008 @ 12:33pm
this constitution jive was worked out, oh about 180 years ago. in those day federal spending was called improvements. and yes the feds won that argument.
Posted by emile duBois at 02/06/2008 @ 12:41pm
This whole idea that Christians are "under attack" is victimhood politics at it's best (worst?) If 80% of the populace are Believers, why do you feel so threatened by the 8% that are atheists?
"I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." -President George Bush
Unless you're Catholic or have been living in a cave for the last 20 years, you already know that Landover Baptist's Pastor Deacon Fred and Brother Harry Hardwick are the world's foremost Christian experts on the disease, Atheism, and its carriers called, Atheists. Both Pastors have risked infection and death to speak at countless Atheist conventions. Pastor Hardwick recently remarked as a guest on "The No Spin Zone:" "As long as there's twenty-four hour room service and they pick up my first class airfare, I'll give my 18.4 minute inspirational presentation to Lucifer himself! Besides, a relaxing walk through the parking lot outside an Atheist convention can harvest hundreds of car tag numbers for the FBI's computers. And with Mr. Ashcroft paying a dollar a tip, that can add up to a complimentary tour of the hotel gift shop, my friend."
When not bringing financially sound believers to the bosom of Christ, Hardwick and Fred dedicate their lives to ferreting out and publicly exposing hell bound, godless liberal trash. And outside of the demon-possessed folks at the mental hospital who fling their own excrement up your nose, Atheists are the worst kind of unsaved trash a decent Christian will ever have the displeasure of rebuking. - Landover Baptist Church- Where the Worthwhile Worship. "Unsaved are not welcome" (As Jesus commanded)
Mrs. Betty Bowers testified before a closed session of Congress last Wednesday. "The coin of the realm is rather emphatic in declaring, In God We Trust. By denying the Lord, these willful Atheists are rebuffing our nation's sacred currency. I don't know about all of you, but I can't think of anything more un-American than refusing to accept legal tender! Clearly, we have ourselves an issue of national security. As all of you have enthusiastically endorsed by default, we are now waging a Christian war against nations with gods that unfairly compete with our own. How can an Atheist be counted upon to raise a weapon and kill men, women and children for Christ? They can't! That's your answer. Every one of them is just an act of treason waiting to happen. I ask all of you, since our country has taken to killing non-Christian Arabs during interrogations, why have our own domestic non-Christians been allowed to get off scot-free? I can tell by the nodding of your heads that most of you see where I am going with this and I thank you in advance for your courage and faith."
But you can do your part, too. If you are reading this, you know of a practicing Atheist in your community, and would like to report him to your local police department, we'd like to tell you how simple it is under the current Bush Administration. Most Christians acknowledge that Atheists are so unpatriotic, that they believe the September 11th attack on the World Trade Center happened because there is no God to play favorites with humanity. The truth is that our Lord loves only the United States and keeps a scorecard of folks who rub us the wrong way or don't give us their natural resources at a reasonable price. "The hills of Hades are going to be crawling with the Coalition of the Unwilling, my friends," says Pastor Deacon Fred.
In any case, it's important for you to report any anti-Christian behavior (whether it comes from Catholics or full-blown Atheists) to your local police department as soon as possible. Since the President of the United States doesn't even consider Atheists as citizens, and even acknowledges that they are a threat to our country, it should be no problem getting these so called "people" deported to France (The Home of Atheism). Please use the list below as a guide to spot an Atheist in your community.
Usually Atheists are pale of skin.
Atheists are overweight
Atheists have too many university diplomas!---- Landover Baptist Church- Where the Worthwhile Worship. "Unsaved are not welcome" (As Jesus commanded)
So, Rev Larry, git your house in order, then come back preachin about how bad the atheists are.
Posted by crabwalk at 02/06/2008 @ 12:42pm
Ok, keep you narrow minded bigotry...it is your loss not mine.
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/06/2008 @ 12:41pm |
Posted by CRABWALK 02/06/2008 @ 12:42pm- Yep, me bigot. Me no se-um flying horseys or colored dragons. Me no practice ritual cannibalism.
Atheists Deceive! Atheists go under many different names, but they don't have the common sense to align themselves yet! Use this to your advantage in reporting them to the police! They call themselves, "humanists, agnostics, secular-humanists, moral relativists, Catholics, free-thinkers, undecided, Unitarians, and more recently, Brights." It is important to note that anyone who has a post-graduate degree or is interested in getting a post-graduate degree, is suspect! Also be warned, Wiccans , Vegans, Yogists, and readers of science fiction are either Atheists or on the road to becoming an Atheist. Our job as True Christians™ is to use this loophole of time under the current Bush Administration to get as many of these God-haters arrested as we can before they do more damage to our country than they already have
Thats right folks, anybody that gets edjumicated is suspect. Where have we heard that before? Oh, right, the atheist Bolsheviks and Mao. But never the Believers, not the Taliban or the Jew hunting Catholics, nope, they are pure of spirit
Posted by crabwalk at 02/06/2008 @ 12:49pm
We Believe in the WHOLE Bible (1611 KJV). We don't throw out the parts that make us feel uncomfortable, like the book of Leviticus. We bid you greetings, friend. We do not read, eat, consume, digest, or 'try on' any product that is not made and manufactured by born-again, Bible believing, Fundamentalist Baptist Christians, and we would have you know that we condemn anyone that does, and pray as King David did, 'against them' for a quick end and a speedy journey to a very hot place, where they can spend out all eternity honoring our Lord and Maker in a literal lake of fire, Amen. Please find our site a blessing.!
Is this some far out wild sect, a small community of Koresh types?
No, it is not:
We are a Bible believing, Fundamentalist, Independent Baptist Church. We are 157,286 members strong. Our Church Campus is located in Freehold, Iowa and rests on 35 acres of some of the most beautiful country you'd ever care to set your eyes upon. Our church holds 28 paid pastors, 131 paid deacons, 412 full time staff members, LCA (Landover Christian Academy), LCU (Landover Christian University), 11 fully equipped chapels, Four 2,000 seat sanctuaries, Three 5,000 seat main sanctuaries, the world's largest Christian Mall, a Christian Amusement Park (Landover Bible Theme Park and Red Sea World), A PGA 18 Hole Golf Course, 3 Fitness Centers, 4 Olympic sized swimming pools, Landover Village, Landover Towers, Landover Retirement Community, Center For 2 Churches On Every City Block Foundation, Leviticus Landing (An Exclusive Gated Executive Christian Community for Platinum Tithers™), Exodus Acres (Gold Tithers' Gated Community), *27 Developments, Landover All Purpose Multi-Temple, Spa and Resort Center, Fire Department, 100,000 seat amphitheater, 12 Television studios, 2 radio stations, A Christian Circus Camp, Retreat Center for Republican Candidates, 3 Corporate Christian Office Parks, hot springs, 8 cemeteries, and 243 fully certified Christian police officers.
We believe that when a person first gets saved, the first thing they should do is buy a suit and a tie.
A good ten or twelve readings of Leviticus wouldn't hurt either.
he following violations will result in a monetary fine of no less than $200.00 as to be determined by Church Pastors and Elders: Failure to show up at church on time, Failure to attend a church service without written permission from a pastor or other agreed upon authority, Church parking lot violations, Single males or females caught in the houses of members of the opposite sex without proper supervision, out after curfew, failure to tithe, failure to perform Christian Service obligations, Use of a church key without proper permission, Sleeping and/or horseplay during church services, reading of 'crime oriented' comic books, possession of alcohol outside of Post Communion Party regulations, idol worship, inappropriate dress in town or in church, dress related to 'counter-culture' movement, beards are not allowed except with special permission from Pastor Smith himself, long earrings on women, use of tampons is strictly prohibited, men with earrings or jewelry of any kind, hugging, possession of pornographic material (except for widowed or single men over the age of 65), failure to identify oneself to a church authority, failure to answer a call slip, witchcraft,dancing and/or skipping, association with Catholics, Presbyterians, Mormons, Methodists, Unitarians, Episkypols, or any other occult activity (unless under supervision by Dr. J. Edwards), failure to conform to rules and regulations, failure to submit to authority, the questioning of church authority is not tolerated and may result in dismissal, failure to bring at least one new guest to church a week, failure to win at least one soul a week, disrespect, lying, stealing, cheating, plotting, failure to have a demon-possessed infant sterilized, attendance at non-Christian owned picture houses, and rock music. General Rules are subject to change at any time without notice. Members are expected to find out what the new rules are within two hours. Let us note here, 'A Christian who is interested in doing their own thing, will not feel comfortable at Landover.. we would even go as far to question whether or not that individual is a Christian to begin with.
Posted by crabwalk at 02/06/2008 @ 1:04pm
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/06/2008 @ 1:00pm
You take the fun out of it!
Posted by crabwalk at 02/06/2008 @ 1:05pm
You really are an unimaginative person.
One thing I am not, is unimaginative. Petty, hypocritical, lazy, mean and cranky, yes. Unimaginative, no.
Posted by crabwalk at 02/06/2008 @ 1:10pm
I run into this one everyone once in a while when a Christian asks me if this Church is a cult.
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/06/2008 @ 1:09pm
Is there a Church that is not?
Posted by crabwalk at 02/06/2008 @ 1:20pm
Delusional.
Posted by CRABWALK 02/06/2008 @ 07:49am
So you're saying that it's not a possibility? I'm alarmed by your supposed complete understanding of the terrorist network and inner workings. Since you seem so sure that this is not the explanation, please explain what you think the reason is and provide links.
BTW, there are also reports stating that al Qaeda is focusing now on Pakistan instead of Iraq. I wonder why that is?
Posted by usc1 at 02/06/2008 @ 1:43pm
Yes, let us drill for 2% of the oil we consume, so it can be sold to the nearest customer, Japan, not used in US SUV's. That would be the result of ANWAR.
Better yet, let's sit on our asses while China, Cuba and God knows who else drills for oil and gas less than 70 miles of our coast. Yeah, that's brilliant...all that oil/gas at our disposal and we let the others get it...typical liberal logic. Stuff's gonna be used anyway. We might aas well be the ones using it...instead, you want to buy it from Venezuela, the ME, Russia...
USC, how many gas wells and nookyular waste depositories may we put behind your neighborhood?
Uhhhh...the same number of windmills off of Teddy's coast?
Don't you find it funny that these things never get built next to gated, well heeled communities?
Posted by CRABWALK 02/06/2008 @ 12:23pm
No. I find it logical. That land tends to be kinda expensive. Either way, what do you care where they get built? I thought you were trying to save the earth?
BTW, do you have any idea how large the windfarm or solar farm would have to be to power NYC?
Posted by usc1 at 02/06/2008 @ 1:57pm
BTW, there are also reports stating that al Qaeda is focusing now on Pakistan instead of Iraq. I wonder why that is?
Posted by USC1 02/06/2008 @ 1:43pm
I can field that one. We let them go when they were in Afghanistan. Now, they've set up shop in the very country we are giving billions of dollars of aid to, but won't let us hunt AQ inside their borders. Go figure.
Once again, W and company like to keep the wars going on and on and on and on and on so that they can scare the American people with "the boogy man AQ" is coming to get us...you know, the AQ that Sadam Hussein ran. But this constant fear trick is their ploy and has been the ploy since after WWII to convince the American people that we need to spend the outrageous amounts of money we spend on national offense...sorry, defense. After all, Sadam did attack us didn't he? Oh, that's right he didn't have WMD and never attacked us, but what the hell, one middle east country is the same as the next.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 02/06/2008 @ 1:58pm
wait and see what comes out next year, when the dems have the keys to where the secrets are kept, and when the repub canaries start to sing. the stonewalls will crumble and their crimes will become visible.
Posted by EMILE DUBOIS 02/06/2008 @ 12:21pm
yeah, right. sure thing.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/06/2008 @ 2:01pm
And since you brought up how much we care about the downtrodden, etc., I would let you know that apparently there is a book that shows that conservatives are more charitable than liberals. So when the fuck are self-important, pompous, liberal windbags such as yourself going to pony up and start actually helping out those people you supposedly care so much about?!? Us conservatives are tired of doing all the heavy lifting.
Posted by usc1 at 02/06/2008 @ 2:02pm
Posted by USC1 02/06/2008 @ 1:57pm
turn off the lights and walk. stop support despots in the middle east and canada with your oil guzzling.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/06/2008 @ 2:02pm
BTW, there are also reports stating that al Qaeda is focusing now on Pakistan instead of Iraq. I wonder why that is?
Posted by USC1 02/06/2008 @ 1:43pm
QUICK! CHECK BEHIND THE CURTAINS!!!!!
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/06/2008 @ 2:03pm
Us conservatives are tired of doing all the heavy lifting.
Posted by USC1 02/06/2008 @ 2:02pm
yep, shit sure makes for heavy shovelling.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/06/2008 @ 2:04pm
Posted by WOLFGANG1 02/06/2008 @ 1:58pm
No, no. They were in Iraq, but are just now moving to Pakistan...maybe they are tired of getting blown up in Iraq? And now resorting to sending the "mentally-challenged" to do their bidding there? Not even a possibility for you to consider?
Posted by usc1 at 02/06/2008 @ 2:06pm
self-important, pompous, liberal windbags
sorry for the redundancy.
Posted by usc1 at 02/06/2008 @ 2:07pm
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/06/2008 @ 2:04pm
don't forget harlan ellison.
BTW may god forgive your shame.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/06/2008 @ 2:08pm
No, no. They were in Iraq, but are just now moving to Pakistan...maybe they are tired of getting blown up in Iraq? And now resorting to sending the "mentally-challenged" to do their bidding there? Not even a possibility for you to consider?
Posted by USC1 02/06/2008 @ 2:06pm
that is not correct.
you should work for flocksnews. you baa-a-a-a-a-d.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/06/2008 @ 2:09pm
But W's budget is indeed a bridge to somewhere -- national bankruptcy. And it's not all DOA -- cf. Scheer's piece.
One way out (& way way down), would be to tell our biggest creditor, Red China, to go shove the IOUs & provoke a war with the greedy yellow hordes. That'll take the US mind, what's left of it, off domestic disaster.
Posted by sloper at 02/06/2008 @ 2:21pm
Thank you, He did about 2000 years ago on a cross outside of Jerusalem.
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/06/2008 @ 2:12pm
maybe.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/06/2008 @ 2:29pm
No, no. They were in Iraq, but are just now moving to Pakistan
Moved to Pakistan or is Musharraf's feckless efforts just allowing them to recruit more people locally? Further, the Sunni actions against al-Qaida antedated our surge (and had a lot to do with the fact that we're buying them off).
Posted by brunowe at 02/06/2008 @ 2:46pm
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/06/2008 @ 2:31pm
being nice works, too.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/06/2008 @ 3:20pm
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/action/ignore.mhtml?who=frosty%20zoom
gwan.
Posted by emile duBois at 02/06/2008 @ 6:06pm
Al Qaeda in Pakistan? everybody's al qaeda now. they've been there all along, trying to blow up Musharaf. look for Bush to ratchet up the fear, big time. perhaps a little anthrax in the mail, from gov't stocks of course.
Posted by emile duBois at 02/06/2008 @ 6:09pm
During my college years I entertained the idea of become a science fiction writer.LUVVY
One more thing in common.
Posted by crabwalk at 02/07/2008 @ 08:17am