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RedditListening to Senator Joseph Lieberman these days, it's difficult to believe that this is the man who was once Al Gore's running mate and not some Pioneer or Ranger or Misadventurer raising money for the Bush-Cheney campaign.
The Washington Post chronicled the Senator's recent "Jomentum" as he continues to carry water for the neocons, touting "evidence" to support an attack on Iran last Sunday on Face The Nation (and again on Friday); opposing the vote of no confidence in Attorney General Alberto "R. for Recall" Gonzales; telling CNN that the surge in Iraq "has worked"; and telling Fox News that "he was more in sync with ‘the leading Republican candidates for the presidential nomination,' especially on ‘Islamist extremist terrorism,' which he called ‘the defining issue of our time.'"
Many citizens in Connecticut aren't taking Lieberman's latest flight to the right lying down. A Connecticut Post editorial – "No More Wars Based on Lies" – read, "In the wake of WMDs, never-ending reports of progress, the insurgency's ‘last throes' and politicized terror alerts, our leaders have lost the country. We don't believe you…. Lieberman and his ilk cannot be allowed to lie us into another war. This madness must be stopped." Letters to the Editor in the same paper were similarly critical: "He is not the senator of the people of Connecticut. He is the senator of his own agenda"…."Every time Lieberman is quoted in news reports here and abroad he is identified as being from the state of Connecticut. Lieberman is bad for Connecticut and bad for our country"…. "…are we seeing the real Sen. Lieberman who would give the president permission to conduct war without the support of the U.S. Congress and the American people?"…. "If the power of recall existed in Connecticut, Lieberman would certainly be removed from office"….
But perhaps no one is more tenacious in his determination to hold Lieberman accountable than Dr. John Orman, author and Professor of Politics at Fairfield University, and Chair – of all things – of the Connecticut for Lieberman Party (CFL). After losing the Democratic primary, Lieberman "created" the CFL Party so that he could appear on the ballot in the general election. Orman, a progressive (former) Democrat who challenged Lieberman for the Senate nomination as an anti-Iraq War candidate in 2005 ("I ran out of money but Ned Lamont arrived to actually save Democrats from Joe," he says), says that he changed his party affiliation to CFL in order to "make political points." Orman won the party Chairmanship in January of this year and there are currently about 20 members.
"We actually encourage our progressive friends to stay in their parties and not join us since we already have official control of Lieberman's fake party," Orman told me. "We have the leadership of the party and we will keep trying to hold Joe accountable because it seems that no one else in Connecticut is willing to do it – except for CFL and bloggers, not mainstream media, Democratic leaders, Republican leaders, etc."
The Connecticut for Lieberman Party has now censured the Senator and called for his resignation. In addition to the Senator's recklessness with regard to Iran, the CFL case against Lieberman rests on three large points: 1) that Lieberman promised Secretary of State Susan Bysiewicz that he would form the new third party so that he could run for office, but in fact "he did not join his fake party and his organizing committee failed to form [it] as promised"; 2) that he promised oversight hearings on the Bush Administration's lack of response to Hurricane Katrina and then did a 180 after the election ; and 3) "… most importantly, he lied about his stand on the war in Iraq."
The Connecticut for Lieberman Party cites pre-election statements from August through November, 2006 when Lieberman said he was staying in the race "because I want to help end the war in Iraq"; "No one wants to end the war in Iraq more than I do"; and his campaign characterized the argument that Lieberman was backing the President's "stay the course policy" as "an out and out lie." After winning the election, Orman says, "he wanted to send 30,000 more troops to Iraq and he returned to being hawkish Joe." The Connecticut for Lieberman Party is exploring possible next steps, including no confidence petitions, formal elections complaints, and mock impeachment trials against Lieberman.
Longtime Nation contributor. Lieberman-watcher and Connecticut resident, Bruce Shapiro says, "John [Orman] is showing that you can be creative about politics, not just roll over to pragmatic resignation."
Giving in to resignation is exactly what this country doesn't need right now. Good to see Orman and other Connecticut voters holding Lieberman – who increasingly seems like a loose cannon at best – accountable.
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"The Connecticut for Lieberman Party is exploring possible next steps, including no confidence petitions, formal elections complaints, and mock impeachment trials against Lieberman."
and the child stepped forward and said "The Emperor has no clothes!"....
or in this case, sorry, but do ANY of those things.....remove Joe Lieberman from office before January 2013?
If not....then about all it does it make it easier for Lieberman to do in name, what he has already done in spirit...become a Republican.
Posted by Mask at 06/20/2007 @ 4:03pm
All Lieberman bashers from the Left, you have my absolute support to go after Joe! Perhaps it will make him realize that he should be caucousing w/the GOP rather than the Dems! Go, Loonies, go, go, go....attack Joe, rip him, chew him up......Thanks you!
Posted by Happy at 06/20/2007 @ 4:07pm
Accountable, how?
Yes, organizations can keep calling him out, but since he doesn't face the voters again until 2012, he can today to Bush until 2009 and then trim his sails to accommodate whomever is in the White House.
I doubt the constitutionality of recall provisions for elected federal officials. The 17th Amendment established popular election of Senators for a term of six years. Making that term truncatable would seem to be a de facto alteration of that.
Posted by brunowe at 06/20/2007 @ 4:09pm
toady*
Posted by brunowe at 06/20/2007 @ 4:09pm
I doubt the constitutionality of recall provisions for elected federal officials. The 17th Amendment established popular election of Senators for a term of six years. Making that term truncatable would seem to be a de facto alteration of that.
Posted by BRUNOWE 06/20/2007 @ 4:09pm
I'm not entirely sure that's the case. It seems like the same would be true of impeachment for the President, since the Constitution does specify a 4-year term. One difference between these two, of course, is that impeachment is actually mentioned in the Constitution, so it would be a clarification of Constitutional doctrine from within the Constitution itself (allowed) rather than from a majority popular vote (not allowed). It might also help that impeachment is not only written into the Constitution, but also features an established process within another coequal branch of the federal government. I don't know; certainly an interesting question to consider.
Posted by Thrawn at 06/20/2007 @ 4:19pm
Nah nah nah-- I told you so. I said dems were making a big mistake not backing Lamont.
Can't Connecticut citizens sue Lie berman for breach of contract or something similar?
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/20/2007 @ 4:27pm
Can't Connecticut citizens sue Lie berman for breach of contract or something similar?
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 06/20/2007 @ 4:27pm
Sometimes, I'm not sure, so I'll ask.....are you serious?
You think it's possible to sue a politician for breaking his promises?!?!?!?
As well, I sometimes question the claimed intellect of Katrina vanden Heuvel, when I read stuff like this.
Aside from masturbatory "no confidence petitions, formal elections complaints, and mock impeachment trials"....does she REALLY think that there is going to be...or CAN be some means of removing Joe Lieberman from his office before Jan. 2013?
Or is this just a "red meat" article to throw out on a slow news day?
Posted by Mask at 06/20/2007 @ 4:39pm
THRAWN
The fact that impeachment is mentioned in the Constitution and deals with one federal branch acting upon another means that there is no anology to a state recall provision. I think the most analogous case would be the state term limit laws upon federal elected officials. SCOTUS struck those down in U.S. Term Limits, Inc. v. Thornton, 514 U.S. 779 (1995). The rationale was that the Constitution was intended to be the sole origin for determining the qualifications of members (thus barring states from adding an upper limit of terms served as a further qualification).
In addition, the intent of a six-year term for the Senate was to create a chamber that wouldn't be as vulnerable to changes in popular sentiment as the House was. Hence the entire House comes up for election every two years while only one-third of the Senate does. Permitting a recall provision would fly in the face of what appears to be the clear intent of the Founders.
Posted by brunowe at 06/20/2007 @ 4:54pm
...I sometimes question the claimed intellect of Katrina vanden Heuvel,...
Posted by MASK 06/20/2007 @ 4:39pm
My opinion of her less-than-serious smarts not withstanding, where is a quick Bio that presumably cites her "intellect"? I've not heard of her until landing here! She is never picked up on Drudge, Real Clear Politics....Nichols, as Looney as he is, for some reason is catching up w/David's appearance on aggregator sites!
Posted by Happy at 06/20/2007 @ 5:02pm
The same rationale could apply to the 17th Amendment. The issue of electing Senators was being revisited, but the only change was to allow for direct election. The absence of other provisions reinforces the idea that Founders' intent was otherwise to remain intact.
From a standpoint of pure federalism, I've often wondered if the 17th was the right choice.
Posted by brunowe at 06/20/2007 @ 5:02pm
What to do about Joe?
Depends...if you voted for him you probably are happy and want Joe to do what he is doing...and if you didn't vote for him, then I suppose all the mock trials and impeachment side shows might be the thing for you...but since Joe is probably doing what he was elected to do, it appears once again that those who disagree with Joe want him shut down or run out..regardless of the others from Conn. who are satisfied...
Seems to be a common thing from the left...lose once again at the ballot box and then try to force the winner out any way you can...kind like Frankshits and Rush...he doesn't like him, others do, but that doesn't matter..he must be destroyed or shut down!!!
Any you wonder why you are called kooks and loons...and not very democratic.
Posted by john maasch at 06/20/2007 @ 5:50pm
Masky,
What if a parent voted for Lie berman because 'he' told them face to face, documentented on camera shaking their hand and saying as a friend, "vote for me because I'll get your son/daughter back from Iraq", Lie berman even takes their 'check' and then they vote for him and Lieberman does a '180 -- proIraq war and then their son/daughter gets killed in Iraq having had their tour extended... civil suit, pain and suferring? Lie berman does that to 100's of people-- class action suit? Nope, no redress...really? Well, how much more protection do you think Lie berman is asking for now? Lots of crazies out there angry, radically so, not to mention the 26 families + friends that have lost a loved one in Iraq from Conn. Add on 3530+ nationally.. and/or the 10's of thousands maimed. One thing when a pro war candidate wins another all together when someone betrays you and there are no avenues available for recourse in the form of court or recall. I for one think Lie berman thinks a lot about that or 'should'. Friends and family dying is a pretty big deal when you said you'd help save them and do the opposite. (From their point of view.)
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/20/2007 @ 5:55pm
Joe lies?! Say it ain't so Connecticut! No worries, attacking Iran is just another way that Joe is showing he is bipartisan, or is it bipolar? Anyway, anyone who voted for him that did not do the research to see why he was voted out of the Democratic party gets no pity from me. Oops, doesn't even cut it. Imbeciles.
Posted by jkbriscoe at 06/20/2007 @ 5:59pm
...I sometimes question the claimed intellect of Katrina vanden Heuvel,...
Posted by MASK 06/20/2007 @ 4:39pm
omigod, YOU are questioning Kate's intelligence? hhahahahahaha, I'm speechless, you twit. someday you may aspire to be a pimple on the lady's heini. until then you are merely a punchline to a bad joke.
Posted by johannesrolf at 06/20/2007 @ 6:06pm
Lieberman is the living, walking proof of how wrongful the abuse heaped on Nader and his supporters was. Lieberman is completely indistinguishable from Cheney.
Posted by ZERO 06/20/2007 @ 6:08pm | ignore this person
Bush is living walking proof of why Nader voters should have voted for Gore.
Posted by jkbriscoe at 06/20/2007 @ 6:19pm
"He is not the senator of the people of Connecticut. He is the senator of his own agenda"
This is not accurate...he is the senator of AIPAC's own agenda!
Go to the AIPAC website and check out their policy positions and then look at what Lieberman is saying! Stay the course in Iraq, stop Iran, etc, etc.
He owes AIPAC big time for saving his ass with all of that Jewish money from NY that he received after getting embarrased by Lamont. AIPAC is making sure that Lieberman pays them back in spades!
Posted by Metteyya at 06/20/2007 @ 6:35pm
Katrina graduated summa cum laude from Princeton in 1981.
Mask? summa cum bullshit. a lonely guy hanging around the blog all day.
Posted by johannesrolf at 06/20/2007 @ 6:58pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 06/20/2007 @ 5:55pm
Sorry, you WERE serious?!??!?! Oh my god, you're more delusional than I thought. Seriously, you have ANY basis for "suing a politician out of office for breaking a campaign promise"?!?!??
Posted by Mask at 06/20/2007 @ 8:25pm
Posted by JOHANNESROLF 06/20/2007 @ 6:58pm |
Bush graduated from Yale....that prove anything?
Plus YOU seem to hang around this blog all day.
heheh
Posted by Mask at 06/20/2007 @ 8:29pm
Plus, plus....love being lectured to about intellect and politics....
by a guy who didn't even know if there were any governors running for President....
"are there any govs in the race?"----Posted by JOHANNESROLF 06/20/2007 @ 3:46pm
Posted by Mask at 06/20/2007 @ 8:31pm
Katrina graduated summa cum laude from Princeton in 1981.
Mask? summa cum bullshit. a lonely guy hanging around the blog all day.
Posted by JOHANNESROLF 06/20/2007 @ 6:58pm
MASK & JR,
Hehahehaheha.....choke, choke....
My 2nd joint address to Mask Jr......on the same day! A pattern developing? Mask Jr.....Jr Mask....Mask Jr.....Jr Mask....
Posted by Happy at 06/20/2007 @ 8:39pm
Posted by HAPPY 06/20/2007 @ 8:39pm
Here's the diff, HAPPY
I say something opposing someone's viewpoint, I try to offer some facts or atleast logical extrapolation of facts to contradict them. (Such as pointing out that EVEN BUSH graduated from an Ivy League School, so JR's defense of Ms vanden Heuvel falls flat....or pointing out his own ignorance of who is actually running for President)
JR merely says "Nuh-huh! You're a stupey head!" Then sits back in his "German academic wanna-be" smugness and thinks that ends the debate!
BTW, wait for him to now claim that "He knew all the time there were governors running for President, he was just mocking ACOOK's use of the term 'gov'...plus a "gotcha" on me for failing to mention Mike Huckabee, when I TOLD him the governors in the race.
The man is nothing if not predictable.
Posted by Mask at 06/20/2007 @ 8:49pm
This is not accurate...he is the senator of AIPAC's own agenda!
Go to the AIPAC website and check out their policy positions and then look at what Lieberman is saying! Stay the course in Iraq, stop Iran, etc, etc.
He owes AIPAC big time for saving his ass with all of that Jewish money from NY that he received after getting embarrased by Lamont. AIPAC is making sure that Lieberman pays them back in spades!
Posted by METTEYYA 06/20/2007 @ 6:35pm
Rumors of anti-Semitism's death appear to have been greatly exaggerated.
Posted by Thrawn at 06/20/2007 @ 8:53pm
Rumors of anti-Semitism's death appear to have been greatly exaggerated.
Sorry, Thrawn, but being against "any" perversion of democracy doesn't make one an anti-Semite. Using money to thwart the democratic process is wrong whether you are a Jewish group, defense lobby, or some kook with a suitcase full of cash!
How can you accept, even as a Jew, a Jewish group "buying" a US Senator?
I say take "all" of the money out of politics, including the Jewish money!
Posted by Metteyya at 06/20/2007 @ 9:16pm
Joe Lieberman for President----my favorite democrat---all my next favorite democrats are dead ---Harry Truman, Scoop Jackson
Posted by Len Mosse at 06/20/2007 @ 9:24pm
THRAWN, like others you might not be familiar with some of the other Kristallnacht ramblings of METTEYYA, such as...
this from Peter Rothberg's "Opposing Occupation" thread-
"I'm not a big Farrahkan fan, but his statement about the Jews controlling the mainstream press appears to be accurate.
When the funniest guy in America, Arsenio Hall, can no longer get a job after inviting Farrahkan on as a guest on his talk show, then we know Jewish power over the media is way out of control."---Posted by METTEYYA 06/06/2007 @ 2:38pm
Posted by Mask at 06/20/2007 @ 9:26pm
Independents voted for Joe because they recognized his name
Yea---that's right all those independents only voted for Joe because they recognized his name----AND of course that is why the republicans did so also. Maybe, just maybe, outside the far left wing of the democrat party there exist a whole other universe that sees Joe Lieberman as a good man who will do what is right even in the face of adversity---apparently this alternate universe is in the majority in Conn. --thank God
Posted by Len Mosse at 06/20/2007 @ 10:01pm
FRANKGRITS, MADLIB, MASK, AND TO OTHERS,
If you are a Democrat and voted for Joe Lie berman in 2006, then you are getting not only what Lie berman said he was going to give you, BUT EXACTLY WHAT YOU DESERVE. It was clear the White House was backing him in 2006, so that means every single Democrat in CT should have backed Lamont or anyone else of their choosing. There is no doubt that the rightwing fanatics were going to vote for Joe. So the question then was, why would anyone else with any common sense have voted for him? Can't cry about spilt milk now, Lie berman is giving the voters of CT and this nation exactly what he said he would, THE NEOCON NIGHTMARE.............
Posted by POSEIDON at 06/20/2007 @ 10:14pm
LEN MOSS,
Have you lost your mind? are you some kind of fruitcake? Not getting rid of that dirtbag of an AG who probably himself is an illegal alien, spurring war with Iran when you can't defeat a third world country with no official military called Iraq, and ratifying corrupt and dishonest government? Dude, go back to the 12th century because that is where you belong...............
Posted by POSEIDON at 06/20/2007 @ 10:18pm
Posted by MADLIB 06/20/2007 @ 9:33pm
How many do I name that aren't Jewish, MAD, to dispel the theory? (Grahams of WashPost, Immelt & Welch at GE/NBC, Parsons at CNN?)
And why do we assume that "all the other Jews who run the Media" are in "cahoots" or following the same "AIPAC agenda" (as METTEYYA and others do)? Lots of Jews here at "The Nation", and this is hardly a bastion of Zionism and "Israel right or wrong", is it?
Besides, do you REALLY think "Jews got Arsenio thrown off the air when he was high in the ratings, because he had Farrakhan on"? Or do you smell a little "Hymietown" Jacksonian thinking on the part of METTE?
Posted by Mask at 06/20/2007 @ 10:25pm
Posted by POSEIDON 06/20/2007 @ 10:14pm
POSEI, all I've said is....this is a stupid article and monumental waste of time. And Ms vanden Heuvel should (or maybe DOES) know better.
Unless Lieberman does something hard-core unethical or illegal....he's in his seat until January 2013. Even then, if he runs again, he has PLENTY of time to suck up under a Hillary Administration and woo back enough Indies to maybe take it again.....anything's possible.
Posted by Mask at 06/20/2007 @ 10:27pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 06/20/2007 @ 9:42pm
Hey, FRANK...got a little bet over at "Hillary Boo'ed Again" on "The Notion"...
care to prove me wrong and comment?
Posted by Mask at 06/20/2007 @ 10:40pm
How many do I name that aren't Jewish, MAD, to dispel the theory? (Grahams of WashPost, Immelt & Welch at GE/NBC, Parsons at CNN?)
Mask! You forgot about your buddy Wolf Blitzer, the guy who used to work for AIPAC and is now the CNN anchor! I wonder why Wolf has never had "one" critical comment of Israel?
Posted by Metteyya at 06/21/2007 @ 12:02am
And do you really think Parsons controls the news at CNN?
Posted by Metteyya at 06/21/2007 @ 12:03am
Unless Lieberman does something hard-core unethical or illegal....he's in his seat until January 2013. Even then, if he runs again, he has PLENTY of time to suck up under a Hillary Administration and woo back enough Indies to maybe take it again.....anything's possible.
Reid is going to wait until next year when the Dems increase their margin in the Senate and then dump Lieberman from his chairs, forcing him to caucus with the Repubs! As an "out of the closet" Repub/AIPAC booster, he will have no chance of winning in '13 and will retire.
Posted by Metteyya at 06/21/2007 @ 12:11am
Masky, as always, you missed the point and cover your face with straw.
Simply, having no redress for a slight that causes great emotional distress led to many a civil disobedience in history. What has happened here with Lie berman doing a 180 with his constituancy will simply lead to a no good end for Lie berman. This is a simple prediction considering human nature such as it is.
Wow even people in Turkey can sue their politicians for breaking a promise:
Politicians sued for broken promise
HURRIYET said the citizens of Siverek have sued some politicians for breaking their promise to make Siverek a province. Mesut Yilmaz, Erdal Inonu, Murat Karayalcin, Husamettin Cindoruk and Necmettin Cevheri and six other former ministers are among the 13 politicians who are accused of deceiving the public. TL 2 billion in compensation has been requested. Iranian President Hasemi Rafsanjani has been listed as a witness as he was with the late President Turgut Ozal when Ozal promised to make Siverek a province in 1987.
http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/archives.php?id=134
We're so backwards in the US...
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/21/2007 @ 01:33am
SEN. JOSEPH LIEBERMAN (D-CT), VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Thank you, friends.
AUDIENCE: Joe. Joe. Joe.
LIEBERMAN: Thank you. Thank you very much. God bless you. Thank you. ...
And I've tried to see America through the eyes of families who had the deck stacked against them, but fought back.
As Connecticut's attorney general, I worked to be the people's lawyer. I went after polluters who were spoiling our water and our air.
...
(APPLAUSE)
And you know what? We even sued oil companies who were trying to gouge consumers at the pump.
(APPLAUSE)
You know when we see the world through the other -- through the eyes of other people, you understand that the smallest changes can make the biggest differences in all of our lives. That's something I'm really sorry to say I don't think our Republican friends really understand.
(APPLAUSE)
....
And I know that somewhere in America right now, there's another father loading another bakery truck, or a young woman programming a computer, or a parent dreaming of a better future for their daughter or their son. My friends, if we keep the faith, then 40 years from now, one of their children will stand before a gathering like this, as I am tonight, with the chance that I have to serve and lead this great country that we love so dearly.
(APPLAUSE)
That's what America is about.
(APPLAUSE)
So let us work together to make sure that they will be able to look back to this time and this stage and this place and say of our generation, they kept the faith.
(APPLAUSE)
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0008/16/se.03.html
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/21/2007 @ 02:04am
Great article, Katrina, as always. The Democrats now need to equally censure Joe, rather than pandering to him and letting him continue to make a mockery of his voting position in the Senate. The man has taken complete leave of his senses, even nuttier than John McCain these days.
Posted by MCE337 at 06/21/2007 @ 02:59am
Thanks you!
Posted by HAPPY
No THANKS you!
You just label yourself as the nutjob fringe which agrees with this moron. Joe can go caucus with Repigs, who gives a rat's ass? We don't need him, we don't want him...it's like having the crazy whacko uncle at your party...keep him away from the kids! The trolls that infect this site like yourself make us all realize that the dwindling bunch of neocon freaks you identify with are heading into extinction, heading into the abyss of corruption, sociopathy and chronic lying that is their stock and trade...off into a black hole with the lot of you, never to escape.
Posted by MCE337 at 06/21/2007 @ 03:05am
Do you want to help end the war?
Can you write a one line letter? Sure you can.
Send a one line letter to Representative John Boehner and Senator Mitch McConnell.
Either you get your Republican party to end the war by Dec. 2007, or we stop buying televisions, refrigerators, stoves, ovens, dishwashers, dvd players, stereo equipment, light bulbs from one of your party's major contributors and War contractors General Electric Corporation ( 203 373 2211 ) who cannot afford to lose a large sector of the public's business and money.
Posted by DMOCRATSoORG at 06/21/2007 @ 04:29am
Yeah, boycotting targeted corporations, especially those like GE at the heart of the "military industrial complex," may be a better tactic for "grassroots" and/or liberal/progressive "bark without bite" organizations that only seem to meet/convene to preach to the ("Our Crowd") choir.
Posted by lewwelge at 06/21/2007 @ 06:27am
Lieberman is sitting pretty now that the dems need him. after the 08 election, with the dems picking up more senate seats, he will have outlived his usefulness.
Posted by johannesrolf at 06/21/2007 @ 08:57am
Here on the summer solstice, in my necessarily air conditioned condo, secure in the knowledge my shower still performs, I'm curious to know the details of Bahgdad's utilities' performance measures since before our preemptive, unprovoked invasion to the present. Don't you think this is a key statistic rather than the unmeasurable and obtuse and Orwellian descriptors like "freedom" and "security"?
Posted by lewwelge at 06/21/2007 @ 09:54am
Joe is a "man of principles"?
Hifuckinlarious.
Posted by drhammer at 06/21/2007 @ 11:53am
Lew, temperatures in Iraq are commonly 120 degrees. they have power for only a few hours a day, far less than under Saddam. this is also the reason the gov't there takes a two month vacation. oh yes, we are winning the hearts and minds.
Posted by johannesrolf at 06/21/2007 @ 12:10pm
Just back to the title of Ms vanden Heuvel's article...
"What to do about Joe?"
Has ANYBODY answered that? I mean, with something that's WORKABLE or even likely? Or just more HSUB pipe-dreams?
Posted by Mask at 06/21/2007 @ 12:52pm
lieberman is war monger just like the party he belongs too ,bombing Iran what a bunch of sick,twisted repukes ,the consequences of that would be disastrous worldwide with oil and the destruction of our economy for sure with skyrocketing oil ,it would be depression world here we come for sure
Posted by studlyguy at 06/21/2007 @ 1:08pm
Lieberman thinks he is defending Israel, but, if Iran is attacked, it will disapper under a cloud of missiles with conventional warheads.
Posted by P. J. Casey at 06/21/2007 @ 4:03pm
Millions of dead could be the legacy of America's indecision to act on what our enemies actually said. Or maybe not.
Have a nice day.
Posted by FREIHEIT 06/21/2007 @ 3:57pm
You sure do sound frightened. Buck up, big guy.
Posted by Dr Decibels at 06/21/2007 @ 4:11pm
I'm sure Isreal won't lose any sleep over who they nuke. They sure as hell don't care about how their actions reflect on America.
Posted by Dr Decibels at 06/21/2007 @ 4:16pm
And I base my opinion on my experience. Isreal only gives a shit about America while we sign checks and do for them.
The minute they stop getting what they want from us, they won't give a shit about us either.
USS Liberty.
Posted by Dr Decibels at 06/21/2007 @ 4:28pm
And I am tired of them spying on us, and meddling in our elections.
Posted by Dr Decibels at 06/21/2007 @ 4:29pm
If they want Jason Pollard free, I saw we do it at 30,000 feet over the Sinai. Maybe if he flaps fast enough.....
Posted by Dr Decibels at 06/21/2007 @ 4:33pm
What intrigues me is Lieberman's fear.
MY "fear" is that Isreal will jump the gun, act without regard to anyone else, and REALLY fuck up the ME and us for generations to come. If GW hasn't already managed that.
Posted by Dr Decibels at 06/21/2007 @ 4:43pm
Not at all, just hadn't been brought up. How long can you keep your boot on someones neck before they react?
Can you not see why they react the way they do? If you were in their position, and had no hope, no job, and no future, what would you do? Meekly shrug and go on? Speaking strictly of the Palestinians in that regard.
As for Syria, they would have been a MUCH better target then Iraq, after all, they owe us for 240 dead Marines that Ronnie done run off and left in the dust....
Posted by Dr Decibels at 06/21/2007 @ 4:59pm
And I do entirely indict GW for what he has wrought by his own hand and desire.
USS Liberty, baby.
Posted by Dr Decibels at 06/21/2007 @ 5:01pm
Thanks Johann for confirming what I'd suspected, we're oxymoronically destroying the Iraqi state in order to "save it." Vietnamization all over again, but in a place where the spigots on crude oil supplies allows for the continuing exploitation of we commodified consumers. Moo...Bleat...
Posted by lewwelge at 06/21/2007 @ 6:33pm
I say we get one of those newly hired temp US attorneys that are supposed to be going after dems and show'em an old Lie berman dem VP candidate poster and say sic go get'em boy... Surely Lie berman has been corrupted and getting MIC lobby kickbacks and stuffing an account somewhere with lots of cash. Just gotta find it.
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/21/2007 @ 6:52pm
Nah, I'm not frightened about Iran in the least, Dr D. What intrigues me is Lieberman's fear. Unlike me, his opinion wields some real influence.
Lieberman is not really afraid of Iran, he is just parroting AIPAC talking points because of the support he received from them after being embarrased by Lamont in the primary.
But don't take my word for it, go to the AIPAC.org website and tell me if their talking points are not "identical" to what Lieberman is telling us?
Posted by Metteyya at 06/21/2007 @ 7:45pm
Hey HSUB, maybe you can assuage DR DECIBELS' fears and tell him how....
Gore (when he runs and wins) will tell Israel to straighten up and fly right or get their aid cut?
I mean...uh....that IS new Al's view, right?
Posted by Mask at 06/21/2007 @ 8:15pm
Posted by MASK 06/20/2007 @ 10:27pm | ignore this person
And idiots who are truly against the Iraq war and voted for Lie berman and any other pro-war candidates anyway are to blame for this mess..............
Posted by POSEIDON at 06/21/2007 @ 8:42pm
MADLIB,
I never said that you vote for numb nut Joe. I was only saying as a general principle that anyone who did vote for Lie berman and his ilk are getting what they deserve, much to the dismay of anyone else who did what they could to get that dirtbag out of office............
Posted by POSEIDON at 06/21/2007 @ 8:44pm
BUSHFOOLS<
What are Joes poll numbers in Conneticut ?
Posted by john maasch at 06/22/2007 @ 12:40am
Gore (when he runs and wins) will tell Israel to straighten up and fly right or get their aid cut?
Posted by MASK 06/21/2007 @ 8:15pm
Perhaps this will help:
Carter Focuses in on Palestine/Israel at Packed Zellerbach
By Judith Scherr (05-04-07)
...
Carter also spoke to the role of the powerful pro-Israeli lobbying group, AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee to which, he said, there are "few significant countervailing forces … Any balanced debate is still practically nonexistent in the U.S. Congress or among candidates for the presidency."
He said he understands the hopes and fears of both camps. "I am a friend of Israel," he said. "I understand the fear of many Israelis, that threats still exist against them personally." Carter said he has always condemned acts of violence against innocent people.
Still, he said, his efforts in the Middle East are to bring peace and security to Israel and justice and righteousness to the Palestinian people.
"The bottom line is this: Israel will never find peace until it is willing to withdraw from its neighbors' land and permit the Palestinians to exercise their basic human and political rights," he said.
While most of the audience's questions focused on Palestine, students wanted to know which presidential candidate Carter supports. By the cheers that rang through the auditorium, they were not disappointed when Carter responded that it is Al Gore.
http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/article.cfm?archiveDate =05-04-07&storyID=26968
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/22/2007 @ 09:26am
What are Joes poll numbers in Conneticut ?
Posted by JOHN MAASCH 06/22/2007 @ 12:40am
Well considerring it's mostly a lot repubs that voted for him and their 30+% approval drop for hsuB in the mean time-- plus the back-hand he's given the anti-Iraq occupation crowd he lied to for thier vote, I'd say his are probably pretty close to hsuB's current approval numbers. My understanding is that only 33% of Conn voted for him in any case. So what is 26% of 33%... now that's REPRESENTATION BABY!
Just the way new con supporters, servicers of dic'tator philosophy like it.
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/22/2007 @ 09:38am
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 06/22/2007 @ 09:26am
Sorry, HSUB...more of you "If A=B and B=C, then D=X" logic. Carter supporting Gore and supporting a "hard line" towards Israel....does NOT mean Gore is supporting a hard line towards Israel.
Now, if you could quote GORE on Israel and Palestine, and how it differs so widely from the other Democrats....you might have something.
Posted by Mask at 06/22/2007 @ 09:57am
Tell you what's also INCREDIBLY ironic....
that on a thread about what a dope Joe Lieberman is....
HSUB is talking about Al Gore, WHO, if things had gone differently, would have MADE Lieberman the presumptive front-runner for the Democratic nomination next year! (Unless "new Gore" would have emerged and backstabbed his Vice-President...heheh)
Posted by Mask at 06/22/2007 @ 10:09am
Masky,
And if that 'terrible incident' had not happened to you back then-- you wouldn't be having to wear a 'mask of straw' now!?!?! Think about that for a second or two... Where would you be now!?!?!
Not to mention your parents forgetting about that day without birth control...
Oh what to do about mistakes, when and who's...
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/22/2007 @ 10:25am
Posted by MASK 06/22/2007 @ 09:57am
Oh but I have. You just don't have much of a memory at all.
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/22/2007 @ 10:28am
With that manufactured face of straw and all - no reason to remember anything on your part... just make shit up as you go... to fill the cracks in your reasoning no doubt. Or is it the cracks in your mask?
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/22/2007 @ 10:30am
Excuse me, Katrina dear, but how does any of this hold Lieberman acountable? He got what he wanted, reelected. Talking/writing against him now is useless. And 4 years from now the same people will vote for him again. Politics proves again and again that you can fool all of the people all of the time, and Lieberman is a classic example. I've said it before and I'll say it again, democracy just doesn't work.
Posted by Tgasloli at 06/22/2007 @ 10:54am
Democracy was meant to evolve not devolve. It's a learning process.
Next time Lie berman may run as a repub. Never again as a dem. If he wins, that's very different than what he did this time.
As far as holding Lie berman accountable, I'm sure he's got a lot more security around him than before... and probably a bigger bank account. What some people will do for gold coin, sad.
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/22/2007 @ 11:52am
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 06/22/2007 @ 10:25am
HSUB tries to come up with SOME defense for his beloved Al Gore picking Joe the Schmoe as his Veep and....
can't.
So, resorts to the personal insults.
Point proven....thanks HSUB.
Posted by Mask at 06/22/2007 @ 1:21pm
BTW, HSUB....
According to you there's "old Al" and "new Al" and "new and improved Al with 50% more vitamins and minerals", etc.....
but does the man REALLY have any deep, personal convictions?
Posted by Mask at 06/22/2007 @ 1:25pm
...but does the man REALLY have any deep, personal convictions?
Posted by MASK 06/22/2007 @ 1:25pm
I thought he does.......the oceans will rise by 20' in the next ten years!!??
Posted by Happy at 06/22/2007 @ 2:17pm
I DON'T KNOW WHAT CT VOTERS EXPECTED...
It was crystal clear even before the 2006 election where Lieberman stood especially on the U.S. Occupation of Iraq, as well as the fact that he'd pretty much gone over to the neocons and was sucking up to Bush & Co. CT voters -- since you voted for Lieberman you deserve Lieberman.
Posted by w_m_bear at 06/22/2007 @ 2:49pm
I've said it before and I'll say it again, democracy just doesn't work.
Posted by TGASLOLI 06/22/2007 @ 10:54am
BECAUSE JOE LIEBERMAN GOT ELECTED?...
Or even because George W. Bush got elected? A GIVEN democracy SOMETIMES doesn't work when it allows a person of totalitarian ambitions to get elected and then cravenly enables those ambitions to be realized, yeah. Think Hitler, think any number of South American dictatorships, sure. But you cannot argue from these examples that democracy itself doesn't work. I think Winston Churchill said something like, Democracy is a terrible form of government but is far better than any other form of government that human beings have come up with. (If anyone wants to fill in his -- or whoever's -- exact quote, feel free.)
The fact that a Web site (and magazine) like "The Nation" continues to flourish even under the general horribleness of the Bush administration is a tribute to the fact that Free Speech Lives! Moreover, I think the general spread of free speech even to oppressive regimes via media such as the Internet and, yes, even satellite TV, is actually a tribute to the fact that democracy works.
(If Bush has his way, of course, and manages to become President for Life -- and we'd better believe he's working on it! -- then you might have a better case for Democracy not working. But not yet.)
Posted by w_m_bear at 06/22/2007 @ 3:01pm
ACTUALLY, THIS IS A "DISTRIBUTED OLIGARCHY" NOT A DEMOCRACY...
But I won't go there.
Posted by w_m_bear at 06/22/2007 @ 3:03pm
I thought he does.......the oceans will rise by 20' in the next ten years!!??
Posted by HAPPY 06/22/2007 @ 2:17pm
Well, HAPP....there WAS this one--
"It is my deep personal conviction that abortion is wrong. I hope that some day we will see the current outrageously large number of abortions drop sharply. . . . Let me assure you that I share your belief that innocent human life must be protected . . ." (Letter from Rep. Al Gore to a Constituent, 7/18/84)
Posted by Mask at 06/22/2007 @ 3:18pm
So, resorts to the personal insults.
Posted by MASK 06/22/2007 @ 1:21pm
No insult just the truth.
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/22/2007 @ 3:42pm
Masky thinks you can arrest and convict people before they commit a crime...
Was Lie berman the same Lieberman when Gore picked him 8 years before? Are you? Nope, you even have a different mask. Liked the one without all the straw. Way out of fashion.
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/22/2007 @ 3:48pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 06/22/2007 @ 3:48pm
Ohhhhhhhh, I see..... "Old Gore" picked "Old Joe" to be his Veep....but that's not relevant because now there's "New Gore" and Lieberman has become "New Joe", who "New Gore" would never pick as Veep.
Is that it?
heheh
BTW, which "Gore" was the one that said "Let me assure you that I share your belief that innocent human life must be protected . . ." ...."Gore-I"? or "Proto-Gore"? Or "Gore Australopithicus" (with 90s Gore being "Neanderthal Gore" and Inconvenient Gore being "Homo modernis Gore"?)
Posted by Mask at 06/22/2007 @ 3:58pm
Mask of straw, you're getting hysterical again over an imaginary ghost of Xmas past.
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/22/2007 @ 4:14pm
Masky curses the sun for going down-- because it once came up and SO which is it? Why can't the sun make up it's 2-faced mind I tell you? Which is it SUN up or down-- can't decide on a story!?!?! And BTW-- what's with all the sunspots?
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/22/2007 @ 4:21pm
"It is my deep personal conviction that abortion is wrong. I hope that some day we will see the current outrageously large number of abortions drop sharply. . . . Let me assure you that I share your belief that innocent human life must be protected . . ." (Letter from Rep. Al Gore to a Constituent, 7/18/84)
Posted by MASK 06/22/2007 @ 3:18pm
Damn, you're a useful Master! Guess Gore's "deep personal conviction" in 1984, is today, a deep personal Inconvenient Truth!
Posted by Happy at 06/22/2007 @ 4:23pm
Oh please most if not a vast majority of people that are pro-choice aren't pro-abortion, just anti-no choice. Everyone would like women not to be in that situation of choosing to have an abortion, but it's clearly another to take that choice away.
Kinda like new cons taking away the right to vote via caging or the way they were trying to make DoJ int a GOP gestapo. No choice is the right choice for new con supporters, servicers of dic'tator philosophy.
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/22/2007 @ 4:36pm
A tragedy of historic proportions happens and two people affected the most take very different paths. One grows, one folds.
Neither the same. Evolving and devolving, changing, but not so different from before; just more so.
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/22/2007 @ 5:08pm
I do remember something like this already going to the FEC already a long time ago, like in 2002-03 and getting resolved, a fine to whoever was in charge and the campaign. Or is this saying they're reopening this all over again to fine her campaign manager all again a second time?
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/23/2007 @ 02:42am
Joe Lieberman is a warhawk who is more interested in protecting Israel than our country. It has been said that he is a member of the Jewish Lobby in Washington that keeps funneling support for Israel. If so, it is time to stop the gravy train that has kept the Israelis afloat. America first not Israel, Mr. Lieberman!
Posted by Oscar Ramirez at 06/23/2007 @ 03:23am
Oh please most if not a vast majority of people that are pro-choice aren't pro-abortion, just anti-no choice. Everyone would like women not to be in that situation of choosing to have an abortion, but it's clearly another to take that choice away.
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 06/22/2007 @ 4:36pm
True....but do most pro-choicers say this...
"Let me assure you that I share your belief that innocent human life must be protected . . ." (Letter from Rep. Al Gore to a Constituent, 7/18/84)
Or is that exclusive to people who are running or representing in a Red State in 1984....but who decide to run for President in 1988 and know that on a national level they need to be pro-choice to be a Democratic nominee?
See, what you SHOULD have tried was the old standby--"Gore's positions have been EVOLVING from his days as a House Rep"....
hence my "Gore Australopithicus" to "Gore homo modernis" joke...heheh
Posted by Mask at 06/23/2007 @ 07:31am
Masky still cursing the sun for setting because it rose earlier? That damn sun just can't make up it mind. Or are you complaining about it's ever changing spots?
In any case, get a quote from Gore saying he's andamantly 'anti-choice' or he's 'for overturning Roe v. Wade'. Can't? What about the opposite? HHhhhuuummmm. You must not have a point...
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/23/2007 @ 11:59am
And Masky, I found the direct qute from the person who spoke with Bill C. about Gore running:
http://ostroyreport.blogspot.com/2007/06/ what-bill-clinton-told-me-about-al-gore.html
He makes it very clear unlike the Post quote that it's himself speculating and in a separate paragraph even. Bill indeed just told him one of the top could fizzle and Gore could enter with plenty of money.
He also makes interesting predictions about Bloomberg and Gore running:
http://www.ostroyreport.blogspot.com/
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/23/2007 @ 12:25pm
I don't see where Lie berman previously being Gore's selected VP 8 years ago is affecting Gore's popularity:
If Al Gore enters the race by kos
Fri Jun 01, 2007 at 10:07:50 AM PDT
Take the poll:
:: Poll If Al Gore enters the race
I am solid with my current favorite 7% 1404 votes
I would stay with my current favorite, but consider Gore 13% 2706 votes
I would move into "undecided" 4% 939 votes
I would lean Gore, but consider the others 18% 3859 votes
I would abandon my current favorite, go strong for Gore 26% 5591 votes
I don't have a current favorite, I've been waiting for Gore this whole time 25% 5376 votes
I don't have a current favorite, and I'd remain that way 8% 1612 votes
21487 votes
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/6/1/125229/5447
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/23/2007 @ 12:39pm
Political Arithmetik, Where numbers and politics meet.
Thursday, June 14, 2007
"The Democratic frontrunners haven't suffered the sharp declines that Giuliani and McCain have, but none are showing strong positive gains either. Clinton has fallen off just a few points recently, Obama seems stalled and Edwards has a very slight decline in support. So who do Democrats like more and more? Al Gore, the non-candidate.
The Gore increase is no where close to that of Fred Thompson, but of the four possible nominees pictured above, he is the only one with steady gains throughout 2007. Given the low level of encouragement Gore has given to a possible candidacy (FAR less than Thompson) it is remarkable that he's moved up at all."
http://politicalarithmetik.blogspot.com/search/label/ congressional%20approval
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/23/2007 @ 1:59pm
And since Lie berman is pro-war/pro-Iraq occupation and hitching his wagon to hsuB:
RESIDENT BUSH – Overall Job Rating in recent national polls
Survey__________Dates__Approve__Disapprove__Unsure___Dif
ARG, inc______6/18-21/97__27 _______ 67________6_____-40
Newsweek ____6/18-19/07__26________65________9_____-39
Gallup_______6/11-14/07___32________65________3_____-33
NBC/W S J____ 6/8-11/07 __29________66________5_____-37
Quinnipiac RV__6/5-11/07___28________65________7_____-37
AP-Ipsos______6/4-6/07____32________66________*_____-34
USAToday/Gallup_6/1-3/07__32________62________6_____-30
Pew_______5/30 - 6/3/07___29________61_______10_____-32
CBS/NY Times__5/18-23/07_30 ________63________7_____-33
Diageo/Hotline__5/16-20/07_32 ________64 _______4_____-32
Newsweek_____5/2-3/07 ___28________64________8_____-36
* American Research Group (http://americanresearchgroup.com/)
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/23/2007 @ 2:34pm
Some "real Al Gore"
December 16, 1998: Gore Defended Military Action Against Iraq As A Means Of Preventing Saddam Hussein From Obtaining And Utilizing Weapons Of Mass Destruction. "Larry King: The president pointed out that everyone agreed with this decision: the Security Council, the Joint Chiefs, yourself. Since he did mention you, was that tough for you to say yes to an OK to bomb people? Gore: No, it was not, because if you allow someone like Saddam Hussein to get nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, chemical weapons, biological weapons, how many people is he going to kill with such weapons? He's already demonstrated a willingness to use these weapons; he poison gassed his own people. He used poison gas and other weapons of mass destruction against his neighbors. This man has no compunctions about killing lots and lots of people. So this is a way to save lives and to save the stability and peace of a region of the world that is important to the peace and security of the entire world." (CNN's "Larry King Live," December 16, 1998)
December 16, 1998: Gore Described Saddam Hussein As A "Mass Murderer" And Pledged To Prevent The Dictator From Obtaining Ballistic Missiles, Nuclear, Chemical And Biological Weapons. "You know, back in November, when we were on the brink of military action then, Saddam Hussein suddenly waved the white flag and said, ‘I give in, I'll do whatever you want.' And we left our forces in the region. We can't leave them there indefinitely. We left our forces in the region and told him, ‘OK, look, we'll give you one more chance. If you show a sign that you're not going to cooperate, then we're going to take military action, and there won't be any intervening diplomacy either.'. . . Remember, Peter, this is a man who has used poison gas on his own people and on his neighbors repeatedly. He's trying to get ballistic missiles, nuclear weapons, chemical and biological weapons. He could be a mass murderer of the first order of magnitude. We are not going to allow that to happen. We are going to win this confrontation." (ABC News' "Special Report," December 16, 1998)
April 30, 2000: Gore Expressed His Belief That Saddam Hussein Has "Been In Power For Much Longer" Than The Clinton Administration Would Have Liked. Saddam Hussein has "been in power for much longer than we would like," but "some of what is now under way, with respect to Iraq, in [the Clinton] administration, is not something we can talk about in the public arena." (CNN's "Late Edition With Wolf Blitzer," April 30, 2000)
February 12, 2002: Gore Said The Administration Must Be "Prepared To Go [To] The Limit" In The Use Of Force Against Saddam Hussein And Iraq. "In 1991, I crossed party lines and supported the use of force against Saddam Hussein, but he was allowed to survive his defeat as the result of a calculation we all had reason to deeply regret for the ensuing decade. And we still do. So this time, if we resort to force, we must absolutely get it right. It must be an action set up carefully and on the basis of the most realistic concepts. Failure cannot be an option, which means that we must be prepared to go [to] the limit. And wishful thinking based on best-case scenarios or excessively literal transfers of recent experience to different conditions would be a recipe for disaster." (Al Gore, Remarks To The U.S. Council On Foreign Relations, Washington, DC, February 12, 2002)
And take note of this commentary in Common Dreams from January 2001.
Clinton-Gore proposed a feeble national health care plan, then tossed it at the first sign of corporate opposition. They dismantled the welfare system (for the poor, not the corporations) in ways no Republican could have dared. They compiled a truly horrendous record on civil liberties in general and wiretapping in particular. They escalated the drug war, jacking the U.S. prison population to a staggering two million while arguing to the U.S. Supreme Court, in the administration's dying days, that state referenda for medical marijuana should be overturned. Clinton-Gore did greatly aid the environment by vetoing, for eight years running, the nuclear power industry's attempt to flood the highways and railways with high-level radioactive waste headed to Nevada. But they broke their promise to shut the WTI toxic waste incinerator in East Liverpool, which became a symbol for the administration's lack of green integrity and nerve. Perhaps the most telling moment came in the Shrub debates, when the Texas oil man accused Gore of failing to implement an energy policy. The accusation could hardly have been more hypocritical--except that it was accurate. For eight years, right into the Gore campaign, the administration talked a good game about fighting global warming and pushing renewable energy sources over fossil fuels. But Clinton-Gore's tangible accomplishments were marginal at best. They fudged on everything from auto efficiency standards to government purchases of recycled paper to utility deregulation to reactor safety. Clinton failed even to restore to the White House roof the solar panels installed by Jimmy Carter then removed by Reagan.
http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0120-04.htm
Gore in 2000 turning his back on greens in Florida
In February 2000, Florida novelist Carl Hiaasen wrote a scathing editorial in The Miami Herald attacking Gore for his lack of position, writing, "Vice President Al Gore, who claims the greenest pro-environmental credentials of all the presidential candidates, is showing a flash of yellow . . . braced with South Florida's most controversial environmental issue, the environmental vice president has elected to wimp out and keep quiet . . . If he doesn't take a stand soon, we can assume that the self-proclaimed green candidate isn't referring to the green of the Everglades, but rather the green that Alex Penelas is stuffing into Democratic coffers."
Green voters' suspicions deepened further when they learned that the vice president's point man in Florida, land-use lawyer Mitchell Berger, had financial ties to one of the developers involved in the airport proposal. Environmentalists became so furious that they threatened to picket Gore's appearances, at one point forcing him to cancel a campaign stop. Disappointed with Gore, many environmental-minded voters supported Ralph Nader, who took a very public stand on Homestead and garnered more than 95,000 votes in Florida. National exit polls later suggested that about half of Nader's votes would have gone to Gore, which would have been more than enough to put Gore over the top.
"Gore lost Florida because of environmentalists," says Callahan. "If Al Gore had inspired environmental voters in Florida and not been ambiguous on some issues like on the Homestead development he would be president today."
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0207.mencimer.html
Posted by antiliberal at 06/23/2007 @ 3:39pm
Revealing Al Gore by the left's own Alexander Cockburn
Al Gore: A User's Manual (Hardcover) by Alexander Cockburn (Author), Jeffrey St. Clair (Author)
"Gore and the decay of liberalism; his life-long propensity for a double standard; absence of noble moments; troubling eagerness to please a marked feature of..." (more)
Book Description
What sort of a man is Al Gore? What's his real political record? This is the first unsparing look at the man whom his parents raised from birth to be president of the United States. Inside these pages, you will find: * How Al Gore and his father got on the payroll of one of America's most ruthless tycoons, Armand Hammer * How Al Gore has relentlessly exploited his sister's death and son's accident for personal political advantage * How Al Gore violated the most basic journalistic ethics by helping the cops run a sting operation on a black politician in Nashville * How Al Gore played midwife to the MX missile * How Al Gore became a soul brother of Newt Gingrich * How Al Gore race-baited Jesse Jackson and introduced George Bush to Willie Horton * How Al Gore shopped his vote in support of the Gulf War to get prime-time coverage for his speech * How Al Gore pushed Clinton into destroying the New Deal * How Al Gore plotted to stop Democrats from recapturing Congress in 1996 in order to keep his rival Dick Gephard from becoming Speaker of the House * How Al Gore leached campaign from nearly every corporate lobbyist in DC, and broke pledge after pledge to protect the environment
Devasting Expose of Gore's Betrayal of Our Environment, September 8, 2000
By Timothy G Hermach (Eugene, OR USA) - See all my reviews
It has been clear to many of us for some time that Al Gore is a Judas when it comes to the interests of American citizens and their living life-support system, the environment.
And just like with child abuse where 80 percent of the abuse is not at the hands of the "bad guys" but at the hands of trusted friends and family members - so too with Al Gore. Because he has been perceived as a friend of the environment, and still is by many as a "lesser evil," he has been able to engineer and get away with doing worse harm. Much of the Clinton/Gore illegal environmental destruction would never have been allowed under Reagan/Bush by those now supporting the most right-wing, conservative Democratic ticket in 50 years, Gore/Lieberman.
This book brings to light some of the irrefutable evidence and once again reveals that Gore has clearly and callously abandoned his principles, our citizens and our environment while fundraising for corporate cash. Yet many in the Democratic cult continue to support what is more accurately described as the New Republican wing of the Democratic Leadership Council's version of the Democrats.
Tim Hermach, President Native Forest Council
Find out in this book how Al Gore while vice president helped companies loot millions of acres of our forests, fastened the extinction of the spotted owl, blocked efforts to make companies pay more than little or no royalty fees to loot taxpayer owned resources, helped increase contractor fraud at the Pentagon, helped strengthen the racist and civil liberties destroying criminal justice system, supported drilling off the coast of Mexico and in the National Petroleum reserve in Alaska, supported stripping mining, especially that of the mountain top removal variety, supported the setting of emissions standards well below that of the Kyoto protocol which were never met, helped George W. pollute Texas by his support of Nafta, helped strengthen fossil fuel producers, helped weaken Affirmative action in government, supported the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, supported what will perhaps one day be the destruction of the U'wa people in Colombia through his very extensive relationship with Occidental Petroleum and support for the death squad government there, supported Monsanto's crusade to dump genitically modified foods on Europe, presided over an economy of stagnant and declining wages and greater insecurity for American workers. The list can go on and on.
Cockburn on Al Gore [tinyurl.com]
Please, please, let us hope that Bushfools is correct and Gore gets the nomination. It shall be a field day of politics to expose this guy for the hypocrite he is.
Posted by antiliberal at 06/23/2007 @ 3:49pm
Posted by ANTILIBERAL
ANT, you appear to be very frearful of Al Gore!
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/23/2007 @ 4:45pm
ANT, you appear to be very frearful of Al Gore!
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 06/23/2007 @ 4:45pm
Fearful? You must be kidding. Gore is a conservatives dream liberal candidate. He is one of the ultimate lib hypocrites. His laundry list of corruption, sellouts, and double-speaks are great fodder for 1 minute political ads.
His religion of the false god of "man-made" global warming and his proposed solutions would destroy him as a candidate with all but the most fervent kool-aid drinkers.
Posted by antiliberal at 06/23/2007 @ 4:57pm
ANT,
If all this 'OLD' info about Al Gore, you posted, is out there-- why is Gore already polling better in a general election than all the repubs running for pres and Gore isn't even trying?
The facts make it sound more like you're frightened of a Gore candidacy and stomping any repub, easily, kinda like stepping on-- well, an ANT. Especially if it's a Gore/Obama ticket.
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/23/2007 @ 5:09pm
Joe Lieberman is a warhawk who is more interested in protecting Israel than our country. It has been said that he is a member of the Jewish Lobby in Washington that keeps funneling support for Israel. If so, it is time to stop the gravy train that has kept the Israelis afloat. America first not Israel, Mr. Lieberman!
Way to go Oscar! Now why don't the voters of Connecticut understand this?
Posted by Metteyya at 06/24/2007 @ 2:54pm
And Masky you had brought up Gore picking Lie berman before... this is a good responce:
The Lieberman Timeline
1988 CT voters sent Lieberman to the US Senate.
1996 CT voters sent Lieberman to the US Senate for another term.
2000 Gore picked Lieberman for VP in 2000, but they weren't sworn-in. CT voters sent Lieberman to the US Senate for a 3rd term.
2002 Lieberman and Edwards aggressively hawked the war in 2002. Hillary and Bill Clinton also supported the war. Gore opposed it.
2003 Gore did not endorse Lieberman and Edwards for 2004 nomination, on the basis of the war.
2006 Gore did not endorse Lieberman for CT-Sen race. Bill Clinton campaigned for and resuscitated nearly-extinct Lieberman. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama also endorsed Lieberman for the CT-Sen Primary. Primarily because of Clinton's help, and CT voters' choice, Lieberman gets sent back to the US Senate to continue where he left off.
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/24/2007 @ 8:40pm