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RedditOnce again the people are way ahead of the pundits and the political parties – this time, on matters of foreign policy and national security.
The latest results from the Confidence in US Foreign Policy Index are in. This survey, conducted jointly by Public Agenda and Foreign Affairs (the journal published by that citadel of the establishment – the Council on Foreign Relations), clearly reveals the American people's "increased skepticism about the use of military force and a corresponding inclination to favor diplomatic options instead."
In dealing with Iran, for example, only 8 percent support possible military action – taking that scenario, the report concluded, "virtually off of the table for most of the public." (However, never say never with this crowd in the White House and a Congress that fears being portrayed as "weak on terrorism.") In fact, "attacking countries that develop weapons of mass destruction ranked at the very bottom" of ways to strengthen our nation's security – this despite the fact that controlling the spread of nuclear weapons is the public's top national security priority.
When it comes to war, 70 percent of Americans believe that the US has been too quick to resort to armed conflict and a whopping 84 percent believe "initiating military force only when we have the support of our allies should be important to our foreign policy."
It is also very clear that Americans have had it with the Bush administration's disastrous and hypocritical efforts to "actively create democracies in other countries." This strategy consistently ranks at or near the bottom of the list of goals deemed important for strengthening our nation's security, and only 17 percent of the public feels it is "very important." 74 percent believe that "democracy is something countries come to on their own." These results point not to a new isolationism, but a kind of wisdom – an understanding and respect for other countries ability to find their own ways.
And in another revealing and encouraging measure of our times 75 percent worry about global warming and nearly two-thirds believe that international cooperation can reduce the climate change crisis – 34 percent say there is "a lot" the US government can do to address the problem. 70 percent say "cooperating with other countries on problems like the environment or control of disease" should be a very important foreign policy goal, second only to nuclear nonproliferation. 60 percent say global warming specifically should be a very important priority.
Finally, the top two priorities to strengthen national security have been consistent for two years running now – improving intelligence operations and increasing energy independence.
This survey is comprehensive – covering over 25 major policy areas in more than 130 questions. It used a national random sample of 1,013 adults over the age of 18 and has a three-point margin of error. What it tells us is this: Americans are learning crucial "postwar lessons" that will help determine the nature of the United States' engagement with the world. With little leadership from either party, the public has decided it's time to embark on a new course.
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Katrina vanden Heuvel
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Posted by Leefeller at 04/12/2007 @ 11:26am
I find it wonderful that Americans have begun to fear the Bush/Cheney Administration and its "War Czar" more than Iraq's "WMD" or the rag tag terrorists.
Posted by oraibi1952 at 04/12/2007 @ 11:29am
It does not matter what the people will or want. I have always felt that the good old boys run with impunity. After reading ANDREW J. BACEVICH, I feel a small degree of insight and that I understand who, when and why.
Posted by Leefeller at 04/12/2007 @ 11:32am
There is some encouragement in these numbers, and the implication that it has little to do with the accomplishments of either party illustrates the need and the potential for bringing real change to the system.
But, for the moment, we are all still outside the bubble looking in.
Posted by drhammer at 04/12/2007 @ 11:35am
Posted by ORAIBI1952 04/12/2007 @ 11:29am
You bring up an intersting topic...the "war czar". What's up with that? Isn't the President the Commander-in-chief? Is he abdicating his duties? He says Congress is up on his turf, but now he wants to turn it over to someone else? It looks to me like the PR department decided its time for a way to get Bush's face out of the war debates and let a retired general take the flak for a while.
They should name Cheney the war czar, he is already anyways.
Posted by BlueTexan at 04/12/2007 @ 11:37am
I think Ms vanden Heuvel is right on point on what polling shows the public wants as far as foreign policy.....but she's cherry-picking.
Polls also show that the public feels we spend too much on foreign aid. Now, charitably-minded liberals point out that it is a TINY fraction of the budget...and continue by adding that it's much more vital to our national interest than defense spending.
But SHE is the one who says "Once again the people are way ahead of the pundits and the political parties – this time, on matters of foreign policy and national security."
So, I wonder if she'll accept "the people's" verdict on foreign aid....or even the utility of the United Nations.
Somehow...I think not.
Posted by Mask at 04/12/2007 @ 12:55pm
Frank,
"They can author any of their beliefs and try to sell it on the open market. I'm sure there will be takers."
They already do Frank, which is why they are on the air..they pay for their time, sell the ad space and they have a demand for their product..20 million a week or more..
The fact you don't like what they say and believe it to be lies doen't mean shit. And you have no right to "silence them " any more than those of us who might want to silence you..for spreading hate, lies, falsehoods and stupidity.
I am sorry, but you are an idiot sometimes Frank...and you should know better as this is fundemantal fredom of speech you are trying to tamper with here...it could involve YOURS, should people like you succeed.
Posted by john maasch at 04/12/2007 @ 12:59pm
Frank,
It is something AIRAMERICA couldn't do, even with donations...no demand enough to support it on their own..and no one called for silencing Rhandi Rhodes or Frankin..did they Frank...?
Posted by john maasch at 04/12/2007 @ 1:00pm
ALL of these priorities (to kill, or not to kill) are far down the American list compared to: "What's on Sportscenter tonight?", "Deal? Or No Deal?", and "Who is the father of Anna Nicole's baby?"
You'll get roughly 1 million Americans attending PRE-season NFL football games the first couple of weeks of pre-season this fall... how many will protest the fact that we're disappearing and torturing people?
Americans have the luxury of being able to not give much of a hoot. So really, if the politicians do the opposite of the poll results, is anybody going to complain for more than a microsecond?
Posted by masussman at 04/12/2007 @ 1:11pm
Frank,
Everything you post is a lie ..so, I want you silenced. Good enough?
You can't prove anything Rush or Hannady or anyone else says on the air is a lie any more than I can..
Get the point?
Posted by john maasch at 04/12/2007 @ 1:37pm
I am trying to reason with a bowl full of jello...why am I doing this...
Have a nice oblivious day, Frank...enjoy the weather.
Posted by john maasch at 04/12/2007 @ 1:38pm
Jello.
Posted by john maasch at 04/12/2007 @ 1:42pm
Frank,
I am sure you have a nice file there..
It doesn't matter if he or anyone else lies 24hrs a day...I don't want the govt declaring what he says to be a legal excuse for shutting him up or anyone else up..now you may have all the proof you need to determine Limbaugh or Rhandi Rhodes is a liar..I am more than capable of making that determination myself..not you or the govt..so do not limit what I am able to hjear just becasue you do not agree or like it.
Frank, my point is I will determine what is appropiate for me to hear on the radio or in print...not you and certainly not the govt...CAN YOU COMPREHEND THIS?
This was/is the crux of my frustration with you...you keep trying to prove to me Limbaugh is a liar and I don't care...HE is not the issue...free speech is.
Posted by john maasch at 04/12/2007 @ 2:19pm
Frank,
"Everything you post is a lie ..so, I want you silenced. Good enough? "
Frank, this is an example of my making a statement, true or false, and my wanting to shut you up....the point is I do not have the right and nor should the govt.
It has nothing to do with calling you a liar...if you are still confused, ask someone else to read the postings we have had together to you...some one you trust..I am sure they can get you to the point.
For some reason you think this is about prooving Limbaugh is a liar or not... for it is not , I don't care about him, its irrelevent.
I used this statement to make a point..re read the posts...
Again, this is not about liars and Limbaugh..it is about free speech and who should stop speech...you want to stop it and that makes you a problem..
Do you not understand my point? Forget Limbaugh and everyone else...
Posted by john maasch at 04/12/2007 @ 3:22pm
" i already explained to you that free speech is not the issue."
You have explained nothing..just trying to proove Limbaugh is a liar according to you...so what if he is...
The only issue is free speech.
Posted by john maasch at 04/12/2007 @ 3:24pm
"Furthermore, in my opinion, people like the uneducated Limbaugh appeal to the gullible elements of our society." Posted by FRANKGRITS
Wasn't it the old lying coward that posted some garbage about demagogues in ancient Athens? That's all Limbaugh is. Facts have no bearing upon what the fat, drug addict gas bag belches out of his hole. I remember him commenting on Iran one time, insinuating that their nuke program has to be for weapons because they sit on so much oil. Of course, the addict failed to note that virtually all the refined oil they use has to come from outside Iranian borders. As usual the old lying coward is ignorant of the facts and is incapable of viewing issues within the proper context. If he had any shame or sense, he'd recognize the absurdity of his posts.
Posted by mtspence05 at 04/12/2007 @ 3:26pm
No, it's time to clean the airwaves up.
Frank
It doesn't matter if Limbaugh is full of hot air. The idea of truth being the best disinfectant is relevant here. If people are too ignorant to see through Limbaugh, that's their lookout.
JM
I haven't heard Frank utter one word about government action. Imus won't be removed from the radio waves throught that but through commercial pressure caused by pressure on his sponsors and any possible loss of audience. There is nothing unconstitutional in either of those methods.
As for me, I simply don't listen to these guys.
Posted by brunowe at 04/12/2007 @ 3:27pm
The issue is not free speech. The issue is masquerading as "News" when all your doing is telling the ignorant, gullible listeners what they want to hear. He is using our airwaves to spread his propaganda and a fairness doctrine should provide facts to counter his lies. Ever watch "Pardon the Interruption"? At the end a guy fact checks what's been said.
Posted by mtspence05 at 04/12/2007 @ 3:30pm
MAASCH,
Would you not agree, at the very least, that the majority of content occupying our airwaves is terribly partisan and often (mis)leading? With such an advanced media structure that has such a strong ideological impact on our culture, it must not be forgotten that freedom necessitates a degree of responsibility.....No matter how difficult the actualization of a relatively better standard of objectivity in media would be, it is absolutely necessary that our entire population hears the most accurate and unbiased news possible if we actually hope to ever have a functioning democratic society.
FRANKGRITS,
Is some form of oversight the answer? I'd like to know some of your ideas on how our society can make the media act 'more responsibly' without detracting from the rights of even the most perfidious news sources (since we have to be concerned with they're rights, no matter how sinister the effects of their mendacity!) ?
Posted by theFIFTH at 04/12/2007 @ 3:33pm
Brun,
""We need a fairness doctrine in broadcasting. After this is accomplished, Limbaugh and Hannity will be neutralized and then we can begin the long tedious process of deprogramming the legion of Dittoheads.
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/11/2007 @ 11:35pm
This is the issue I took to posting..."Fairness Doctorine" is..
"I haven't heard Frank utter one word about government action."...
..govt doctorine..implies govt should shut of certain people ...I say never.
Posted by john maasch at 04/12/2007 @ 3:41pm
MTSPENCE05,
Given the corporate influence in modern media and the sliver-spoon CEO's currently in power, wouldn't any Fairness Doctrine or fact checker be grossly susceptible to corruption? Where would this voice of 'truth' come from and how could its integrity ever be ensured? Effectively, this would be a voice of dissent in many cases.....and we all know how our elitist government deals with these types of voices - they are either silenced or assimilated by the interests of the few.
Posted by theFIFTH at 04/12/2007 @ 3:47pm
I would agree with the idea that our mass media is a vast waste land, as everyone is a celeb now and no facts...they are in truth, a dry by organization...not many indepth news with no side presented over another out there..but there is an on and off button..and I don't want the govt as a clearing house, or brilliant thinkers like MT, or Frankgrits involved either, except with their own on and off button.
For me, Franks assine post above is a free speech issue at its heart...for as many who feel Rush is dangerous one can probably find someone who finds Frankin, or Rhandi,...or even Frank dangerous...But I am absolutly against any govt program to moniter any of them for "good content", and shuit them up or down....thats my case...
Imus cooked his own goose and has been in the oven for along time..on his way out and he just sped the process up..I never liked him or any of the other radio voices..most of the time they are on when people are at work ...except Frank, I guess, seems he is keeping files on Rush....strange behavior..maybe he should take up golf..or reading.
If my point regarding free speech doesn't take here, it then fits into another of my stereo type as looney far left libs...and I remain re affirmed..
Posted by john maasch at 04/12/2007 @ 3:52pm
No, only provide for fact verification. The airwaves belong to the public.
Posted by mtspence05 at 04/12/2007 @ 3:53pm
Posted by THEFIFTH
Good point.
Posted by mtspence05 at 04/12/2007 @ 3:54pm
"if that's the case then the Fairness Doctrine will force you to see the light.
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/12/2007 @ 3:44pm
I rest my case.
Posted by john maasch at 04/12/2007 @ 3:54pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/12/2007 @ 3:59pm
It keeps getting better..
Posted by john maasch at 04/12/2007 @ 4:02pm
I find it wonderful that Americans have begun to fear the Bush/Cheney Administration and its "War Czar" more than Iraq's "WMD" or the rag tag terrorists.
Posted by ORAIBI1952 04/12/2007 @ 11:29am | ignore this person
we are not fighting rag tag terrorists in Iraq. we are fighting the previous gov't in Iraq, as well as fighting Iraqi people united in trying to drive out the invader. during WW2, in France, we called them the Resistance.
Posted by johannesrolf at 04/12/2007 @ 4:09pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS
At one time, long ago, Rush attempted a venue that allowed for an opposing view to dispute his lies. It didn't turn out so well for the big mouth drug addict; he never tried it again.
Posted by mtspence05 at 04/12/2007 @ 4:19pm
I read somewhere that Limbauigh TV show beat every audience he went up against, including the national late shows...some stations even put him on at 3 AM in an attempt to discourage viewership but he still did very well,..I believe he quit voleentarily due the the amount of work putting on a TV show compared to a radio show and that measured against the cost/rerturn was poor...So he pulled the plug.
Posted by john maasch at 04/12/2007 @ 4:30pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/12/2007 @ 4:24pm
Meet the Press with Russert and another panel, ESPN and they ran away as did MSNBC for a milder comment.than Imus ever thought of.
Posted by john maasch at 04/12/2007 @ 4:31pm
Posted by JOHN MAASCH
What are you, his number one fan, you old lying coward? Did you read that in the Volkischer Beobachter?
Posted by mtspence05 at 04/12/2007 @ 4:32pm
You can't prove anything Rush or Hannady or anyone else says on the air is a lie...
Get the point?
Posted by JOHN MAASCH 04/12/2007 @ 1:37pm | ignore this person
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Just a small sample. I've got plenty more. Shall we dance?
Limbaugh LIES again:
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/12/2007 @ 1:47pm | ignore this person
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It doesn't matter if he or anyone else lies 24hrs a day...
Frank, my point is I will determine what is appropiate for me to hear on the radio or in print...
...you keep trying to prove to me Limbaugh is a liar and I don't care...
Posted by JOHN MAASCH 04/12/2007 @ 2:19pm | ignore this person
Posted by Lillian at 04/12/2007 @ 5:00pm
So Maasch says his point is that nobody can prove Rushbo is a liar...
Then Frank proves Rushbo is a liar...
Then Maasch says he doesn't care...and that wasn't the point anyway.
That sequence was always a running joke on 'All in the Family'...
...and now we have Maasch filling in prefectly as Archie Bunker!
hehe!
Posted by Lillian at 04/12/2007 @ 5:05pm
LIL,
If you truely read the discussion you would come to understand I am taking issue with Frank wanting to silence Limbaugh or anyone , because he feels they lie...with a govt doctorine...whether Frank can prove Limbaugh lies or I can prove Frank lies are not important...just the free speech issue..thats it..And Frank is confortable with govt going and shutting down people because it doesn't like or believe what is being said...I am not,... apparently you are ..
Posted by john maasch at 04/12/2007 @ 5:12pm
Freiheit,
"Is silencing voices you disagree with, Frankgrits, the right thing for America???? My answer is no!!!!
Imus' firing is nothing more than a book burning event. Can't you see that bias will cut both ways and impact all of our rights? "
No he doesn't. Give it up.....a bowl full of jello.
I went that route with Frank all day...he doesn't get it..
and LIL,?
She is stuck somewhere in 70s TV land and missed the whole thing, as usual..
Posted by john maasch at 04/12/2007 @ 5:15pm
It was your "free" market that took him off the air, you old lying coward.
Posted by mtspence05 at 04/12/2007 @ 5:37pm
Posted by FREIHEIT
I know, but it was the sponsors that pulled the plug. So much for the "free" market, huh? See how it works?
Posted by mtspence05 at 04/12/2007 @ 5:44pm
In other words: The "free" market could care less about our rights or anything else other than profit. Place your faith in the "free" market and you'll end up with few--if any--rights.
Posted by mtspence05 at 04/12/2007 @ 5:46pm
Nope, it was hypocricy that took him off the air, MTSPENCE05.
Astonishing to hear Al Sharpton lecture people against racism. The death of critical thinking. How sad.
Posted by FREIHEIT 04/12/2007 @ 5:42pm | ignore this person
Imus' boss fired him, because he was an embarassment to the company. the advertisers, who the company works for, were firing CBS, because they were embarassed by Imus. it has absolutely nothing to do with free speech. Imus was in the company's studio, using a company mike, on the company's time.
Cond Rice is a nappy headed ho. there, now that's free speech.
Posted by johannesrolf at 04/12/2007 @ 5:46pm
Imus' boss fired him, because he was an embarassment to the company. the advertisers, who the company works for, were firing CBS, because they were embarassed by Imus. it has absolutely nothing to do with free speech. Imus was in the company's studio, using a company mike, on the company's time.
Posted by JOHANNESROLF
If Imus was a union member he might not be the victim of such arbitrary treatment.
Posted by mtspence05 at 04/12/2007 @ 5:49pm
Cond Rice is a nappy headed ho. there, now that's free speech.
Posted by JOHANNESROLF 04/12/2007 @ 5:46pm
Yup, and Ron Brown used to be one, too...and so was the girl in my calculus class at college and she was white...
Posted by john maasch at 04/12/2007 @ 5:49pm
Ron Brown? A DLC man? I'd think a "free" market fruit like you, you old lying coward, would be a big fan.
Posted by mtspence05 at 04/12/2007 @ 5:51pm
JR is correct on the firings, however, given a little more time the market would also have fired him, via the consumers tuning out and the sponsers recognizing this fact, would have moved on....
Posted by john maasch at 04/12/2007 @ 5:51pm
(Hell, your momma was probably a nappy headed ho, you old lying coward.)
Posted by mtspence05 at 04/12/2007 @ 5:53pm
No, no, the "free" market pulled the plug. Why? Because it feared for its profits. That's the bottom line.
Posted by mtspence05 at 04/12/2007 @ 5:54pm
And before anybody tries to throw me in that bus, I found nothing particularly offensive with his off hand remarks. "Nappy headed hos" is not racism to me.
Posted by mtspence05 at 04/12/2007 @ 5:57pm
And you're incapable of conceding the point. The sponsors pulled the plug out of fear that the controversy would effect their profits. You may not be able to admit that your "free" market is so terribly flawed, but that's to be expected of an ideologue.
Posted by mtspence05 at 04/12/2007 @ 5:58pm
And the incident goes a long, long way to demonstrate the failures of the "free" market.
Posted by mtspence05 at 04/12/2007 @ 6:00pm
He wasn't fired until the sponsors started backing out. Say what you want, but that's the way it went down.
Posted by mtspence05 at 04/12/2007 @ 6:03pm
Freitheit,
It ws mentioned that Imus was the highest paid guy on the air(why, I 'll never know), but he will no longer be able to generate the revenue for CBS or MSNBC now,...to that extent he was PCed out the door...given enough time I believe the audience would have shrunk and demanded the sponsors to move on , then it would have become a free market issue and on to the bottom line...the bottom line was never allowed enough time to come into play..
Any way...I guess saying I am sorry for my sin and begging forgiveness is not enough for some groups...good thing no Reverends or men of God were involved,, er, weren't Sharpton and ol'Jesse,...well.... I guess they forgot about the main man..what was his name, a jewish guy...?
Posted by john maasch at 04/12/2007 @ 6:03pm
Did the government shut him down? No. It was the "free" market. Like I said, the market has no concerns for right or wrong, only profits. Of course the suits in corporate are terrified of taking any kind of risk; so they chose to play it safe. So much for free speech.
Posted by mtspence05 at 04/12/2007 @ 6:06pm
And as I said, had Imus been under union protection this kind of arbitrary action could not have taken place.
Posted by mtspence05 at 04/12/2007 @ 6:08pm
I'm speaking of free speech. And my point is that the "free" market is no guardian of our rights. The "free" market cares for nothing but profits and it would sell each and every one of us out for a few dollars more. Had Imus been in a union with negotiated rights protecting what he chose to say, he would not have been arbitrarily terminated. That's what I've been saying.
Posted by mtspence05 at 04/12/2007 @ 6:18pm
And like any closed minded ideologue, when you can no longer support your feeble argument you begin to twist and distort. Pathetic.
Posted by mtspence05 at 04/12/2007 @ 6:19pm
It's all above, in black and white.
Posted by mtspence05 at 04/12/2007 @ 6:26pm
If Imus were black, we would not even be talking about it.
Sharpton and Jesse are the real hate mongers.
Posted by USAPRIDE at 04/12/2007 @ 6:46pm
I can prove that Rush is a pychopathic liar and on a regular basis.
Posted by FRANKGRITS
GRITS, I saw that earlier in this post you were demanding specific examples of lies you told......Taking a page from our little exchange last night? I feel so proud, after all, imitation is most sincere form of flattery...
nevertheless, your prediction about Limbaugh being fired next after Imus is wishful thinking gone wild on your part....
Now I challenge you to prove the above statement about Rush being a pychopathic liar, with specific examples, and please spare us the google cut-n-pastes...i want to hear it in your words.
Posted by davebarlett at 04/12/2007 @ 8:50pm
And if you meant to say pathological liar, I'll give you a pass, but only if you can cite multiple examples at one sitting
Posted by davebarlett at 04/12/2007 @ 8:52pm
LIL,
If you truely read the discussion you would come to understand I am taking issue with Frank wanting to silence Limbaugh or anyone , because he feels they lie...with a govt doctorine...whether Frank can prove Limbaugh lies or I can prove Frank lies are not important...just the free speech issue..thats it..And Frank is confortable with govt going and shutting down people because it doesn't like or believe what is being said...I am not,... apparently you are ..
Posted by JOHN MAASCH 04/12/2007 @ 5:12pm | ignore this person
Sure John...I did read you posts and I did notice how you changed to that 'new' point...
...after Frank basically deflated your 'old' point!
Posted by Lillian at 04/12/2007 @ 11:42pm
and LIL,?
She is stuck somewhere in 70s TV land and missed the whole thing, as usual..
Posted by JOHN MAASCH 04/12/2007 @ 5:15pm | ignore this person
John...YOU are the one channeling Archie Bunker.
I just noted how well you're doing it.
Posted by Lillian at 04/12/2007 @ 11:45pm
And as I said, had Imus been under union protection this kind of arbitrary action could not have taken place.
Posted by MTSPENCE05 04/12/2007 @ 6:08pm | ignore this person
wrong. Imus is likely a member of AFTRA.
Posted by johannesrolf at 04/12/2007 @ 11:49pm
wrong. Imus is likely a member of AFTRA.
Posted by JOHANNESROLF
Okay. How does that union handle such situations? What is the contract like?
Posted by mtspence05 at 04/13/2007 @ 09:09am
Under the bus you go. Do you have a daughter?
Posted by FRANKGRITS
Yes I do.
Posted by mtspence05 at 04/13/2007 @ 09:11am
have to agree with some of the other posts here. American's like their nice little bubble where the most important thing to debate is who will pitch in the opening game or who will win the next Nascar cup and why...If Iraq would have went swimingly, there would be a lot of patting each other on the back at a job well done bringing democracy to yet another undeserving nation and ridding the world of that old bastard Saddam, and then back to "idol" as it's now affectionately called. Hell, it's hard to talk with anyone about Iraq...you have to get them to take off their iPod first...
Posted by rzs at 04/13/2007 @ 10:15am
Hell, it's hard to talk with anyone about Iraq...you have to get them to take off their iPod first...
Posted by RZS 04/13/2007 @ 10:15am
I have virtually lost hope in achieving this....these times in which we're living are historically polluted to a far greater extent than the Vietnam Era. It is disturbing how many students that I have enountered around NYC do not comprehend this idea, among others. Apathy, ignorance, and frivolity best characterize American political culture, especially the iPod generation which seems virtually impossible to mobilize (with FEW exceptions to this rule). Polls showed that most students, along with most American wantons, originally supported the plan to invade Iraq so "we can get them THERE before they get us HERE." The herd-like mentality of Americans that perplexes many of our foreign visitors, as well as myself, has not disappeared or changed for the better since they favored military action in Iraq. If another 'terrorist attack' happened tomorrow the public would tune into Faux News and immediately begin to digest all the bullshit set before them, forgetting all of the lies and deceit that preceeded. Hell, they'd probobly vote to reinstate the DRAFT if such a thing happened while Dubya and his cronies still held the power to put their 'spin' on things......
Posted by theFIFTH at 04/13/2007 @ 2:22pm
Sure, blame the kids. don't blame their jingoistic parents who just loved going to war, don't blame Bush the megalomaniac and his criminal junta, yeah blame the kids, after all, they will be PAYING for the war.
Posted by johannesrolf at 04/13/2007 @ 3:21pm
after all, they will be PAYING for the war.
and dying in it. I am a part of the "iPod generation," and I'm from a small midwestern town where nascar, football, and american cars were king. I'm not "blaming the kids," rather, I was talking about the incredible about of denial across the board. I was talking with a friend of mine, my age, who just could not accept that the invasion of iraq had anything to do with oil, period. and he's a generally smart guy, highly-educated, well read, but just stonewalls me when I suggest that maybe it has something to do with it...what do they say, "human beings can't stand too much reality." It's just easier on the conscience to go along with the Bush BS sheriff's wear white hats and bad guys wear black hats (or turbans) metality.
Posted by rzs at 04/13/2007 @ 4:03pm
metality isn't a word, sorry, mentality.
Posted by rzs at 04/13/2007 @ 4:04pm