Four and a half years ago, after reading the Robert Novak column that outed Valerie Plame Wilson as a CIA operative specializing in counter-proliferation work, I wrote an article in this space noting that this particular leak from Bush administration officials might have been a violation of a federal law prohibiting government officials from disclosing information about clandestine intelligence officers and (perhaps worse) might have harmed national security by exposing anti-WMD operations. That piece was the first to identify the leak as a possible White House crime and the first to characterize the leak as evidence that within the Bush administration political expedience trumped national security.

The column drew about 100,000 visitors to this website in a day or so. And--fairly or not--it's been cited by some as the event that triggered the Plame hullabaloo. I doubt that the column prompted the investigation eventually conducted by special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, for I assume that had my column not appeared the CIA still would have asked the Justice Department to investigate the leak as a possible crime. But now that Fitzgerald's investigation is long done, the Scooter Libby spin-off is over (thanks to George W. Bush's total commutation of Libby's sentence), and Valerie Wilson has finally published her account, it seems a good time to say, I was right. And to add, where's the apology?

From the start, neocons and conservative backers of the war dismissed the Plame leak and subsequent scandal as a big nothing. Some even claimed that somehow former Ambassador Joseph Wilson and I had cooked up the episode to ensnare the White House. (Oh, to be so devilishly clever--and to be so competent.) But these attempts to belittle the affair (and to belittle Valerie Wilson) were based on nothing but baseless spin. As was--no coincidence--the Iraq war. In fact, the Wilson imbroglio was something of a proxy war for the debate over the war itself. In the summer of 2003, when the Plame affair broke, those in and out of government who had misled the nation into the war saw the need to spin their way out of the Wilson controversy in order to protect the false sales pitch they had used to win public support for the invasion of Iraq.

First they attacked Joe Wilson when he disclosed that he had gone to Niger in February 2002 for the CIA and had reported back that the allegation Saddam Hussein had been uranium-shopping there was highly dubious. Then when Valerie Wilson's CIA identity was exposed during the get-Wilson campaign, they pooh-poohed the leak. They subsequently spent years doing so. Here's a brief list of Plame attacks I've published before:

* On September 29, 2003, former Republican Party spokesman Clifford May wrote that the July 14, 2003 Robert Novak column that disclosed Valerie Wilson's CIA connection "wasn't news to me. I had been told that--but not by anyone working in the White House. Rather, I learned it from someone who formerly worked in the government and he mentioned it in an offhand manner, leading me to infer it was something that insiders were well aware of."

* On September 30, 2003, National Review writer Jonah Goldberg huffed, "Wilson's wife is a desk jockey and much of the Washington cocktail circuit knew that already."

* On October 1, 2003, Novak wrote, "How big a secret was it? It was well known around Washington that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA....[A]n unofficial source at the agency says she has been an analyst, not in covert operations."

* On July 17, 2005, Republican Representative Roy Blunt, then the House majority leader, said on Face the Nation, "This was a job that the ambassador's wife had that she went to every day. It was a desk job. I think many people in Washington understood that her employment was at the CIA, and she went to that office every day."

* On February 18, 2007, as the Libby trial was under way, Republican lawyer/operative Victoria Toensing asserted in The Washington Post, "Plame was not covert."

* In his recently published memoirs, Novak wrote of Valerie Wilson, "She was not involved in clandestine activities. Instead, each day she went to CIA headquarters in Langley where she worked on arms proliferation."

A year ago, in our book, Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War, Michael Isikoff and I disclosed for the first time that Valerie Wilson was operations chief at the Joint Task Force on Iraq of the Counterproliferation Division of the CIA's clandestine operations directorate. She was no paper-pusher or analyst, as Novak and others had said. She was in charge of covert operations on a critical front. (Isikoff and I detailed some of her work in the book.) As part of her job, she traveled overseas under cover. CBS News recently reported that it had confirmed she had also worked on operations designed to prevent Iran from obtaining or developing nuclear weapons. Ironic? Ask Dick Cheney.

And Valerie Wilson was not known about Washington as a spy. Though Cliff May has made this argument, in the years since the Novak column appeared, no one in Washington has come forward to say, "Oh yes, I knew about her before Novak outed her." In fact, Valerie Wilson was a mid-level, career CIA officer--there must be hundreds, if not thousands--and such people are (to be frank) not usually on the radar screen of Washington insiders. They are not known regulars on the D.C. cocktail circuit, such as it is. Ask Sally Quinn.

For her part, Valerie Wilson, who left the CIA at the end of 2005, has only recently been able to challenge the purposefully misleading descriptions of her CIA tenure. Appearing before the House government oversight and reform committee in March, she testified the she was a "covert officer" who had helped to "manage and run operations." She said that prior to the Iraq invasion she had "raced to discover intelligence" on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. "I also traveled to foreign countries on secret missions," she said under oath, "to find vital intelligence." She noted that she could "count on one hand" the number of people outside the CIA who knew of her spy work.

On Sunday, as she launched her new book, Fair Game: My Life as a Spy, My Betrayal by the White House, she appeared on 60 Minutes and repeated her case. Though the CIA has absurdly prevented her from acknowledging that she worked for the agency prior to 2002--she started there in 1985--Wilson told Katie Couric, "Our mission was to make sure that the bad guys basically did not get nuclear weapons." After her name appeared in the Novak column, she said, "I can tell you, all the intelligence services in the world that morning were running my name through their databases to see, 'Did anyone by this name come in the country? When? Do we know anything about it? Where did she stay? Well, who did she see?'...It puts in danger, if not shuts down, the operations that I had worked on."

What damage was actually done by the leak remains a secret. On 60 Minutes, Valerie Wilson said a damage assessment was conducted by the CIA but that she never saw it. She added, "I certainly didn't reach out to my old assets and ask them how they're doing, although I would have liked to have." That damage report has not been leaked. Nor has it been a subject of congressional interest--as far as one can publicly tell. in 2003, the Democrats in Congress who cared about the Plame leak were obsessed with calling for the appointment of a special prosecutor. That fixation proved to be a mistake. A special prosecutor could only focus on criminal matters and could only disclose information necessary for a prosecution--rules that Patrick Fitzgerald would stick by. The Democrats never pushed for a congressional investigation that could have examined (and perhaps made public, even if in a limited fashion) key issues in the case, such as the consequences of the leak. Valerie Wilson said to Couric that the damage was "serious." The public ought to know if this is so. (When I once asked Senator Jay Rockefeller, the top Democrat on the Senate intelligence committee, if he had any intention of probing the Plame leak, he said he no interest in doing so.)

In trying to spin their way out of the CIA leak mess, the neocon gang made much of the fact (again, first revealed by Isikoff and me) that Richard Armitage, who was the No. 2 at the State Department and a neocon-hating Iraq war skeptic, was the administration official who initially told Novak that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA. But the Plamegate deniers often ignore the inconvenient truth that White House aide Karl Rove--during the White House campaign to undermine Joe Wilson--confirmed this classified information for Novak and also passed the same leak to Matt Cooper, then of Time. (It was only because Cooper's editors at the newsmagazine did not care about Wilson's wife that Novak published the leak first.) Libby and White House press secretary Ari Fleischer also shared information about Wilson's wife and her CIA connection with reporters. This was all part of the White House effort to tarnish Wilson by making it seem as if his trip to Niger had been nothing but a nepotistic junket. And as testimony and documents presented at the Libby trial showed, Vice President Cheney had been driving the pushback effort and had early on learned about Valerie Wilson's CIA employment and then conveyed that information to Libby.

Yes, this was a case of putting politics (getting Joe Wilson) ahead of national security concerns (such as protecting the identity and operations of a CIA officer working the WMD beat).

It is true that at the end of the day, no one was charged with a crime for leaking information on Valerie Wilson. Patrick Fitzgerald decided that he could not prove in court--as he would have to under the law--that the leakers knew that Valerie Wilson was a covert officer. But Fitzgerald did pursue Libby and Rove for possibly lying to FBI agents and the grand jury investigating the leak. He nabbed Libby but, after much consideration, opted not to indict Rove.

Still, Rove was caught in a lie. Toward the start of the Plame affair, the White House declared that Rove was not involved in the leak, and Bush indicated that anyone who had leaked classified information would be dismissed. But the White House statement regarding Rove was false (probably because Rove had misled White House press secretary Scott McClellan). Bush's promise was false, too, for Rove remained Bush's master strategist even after Isikoff published an email showing that Rove had leaked classified information about Valerie Wilson to Cooper.

The bottom line: this episode demonstrated that the Bush White House was not honest (the vice president's chief of staff was even convicted of lying to law enforcement officials), that top Bush officials had risked national security for partisan gain, and that White House champions outside the government would eagerly hurl false accusations to defend the administration.

So is anyone apologizing? For ruining Valerie Wilson's career? For perhaps endangering operations and agents? For lying about the leak? For misleading the public about Rove's role? For placing spin above the truth? Armitage did apologize (via a media interview) to the Wilsons. But no one else involved has. And no one--not Bush, not Cheney, not their aides, not their neocon confederates--has admitted any wrongdoing in this saga.

It's like the war: false statements, false cover stories, and failure to concede the errors in judgment and action that have caused harm to national security. But the meta-narrative of Bush and his neoconservative allies is one of no apology, no surrender. They say and do what they must to shield themselves from the consequences of their actions. Reality be damned. What matters is what they can get away with. In the case of Valerie Plame Wilson, they did escape retribution. In the larger case of the Iraq war, they are still hoping to.

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A FAREWELL: This is my last "Capital Games" article for The Nation. After twenty years of representing The Nation in Washington--and five years of writing this web column--I am leaving the magazine to become chief of Mother Jones' new seven-person Washington bureau. It's been an honor to be part of America's oldest political weekly and to write for you. I hope you continue to read and support The Nation--and that you also check out the work I do for Mother Jones. You can read my farewell letter to The Nation here. And a reminder: I will continue to blog at www.davidcorn.com, which is about to become part of an expanded and redesigned CQ.com. Thank you for all the clicks.

Comments (287)

1. David,

   I don't doubt you believe everything you penned here to be true to the best of your knowledge, with minimal spin!

   From the other side, it's hard to imagine anyone involved, from Armitage on down, knew they were exposing a CIA operative who many (including me) still don't believe was a Covert Agent under the law as drafted & intended by Victoria T.; she is that convincing of a voice!

   Looking back and going in full circle, as I said so long ago at your blog, Joe Wilson was just plain dumb to expect no fallout...which would certainly drag the CIA (that sent him to Niger) and his wife's role into this "hullabaloo"! Unless of course, he planned the whole thing (and you just happened to pick up on this story).

   Where you spun wrong is here:

   .....these attempts to belittle the affair (and to belittle Valerie Wilson) were based on nothing but baseless spin. As was--no coincidence--the Iraq war.

   By comparing the Plame Hullabaloo to the Iraq War lead up. The entire Western world (+ Russia) was in on the Iraq War since all held similar intelligence and belief that Saddam had WMDs!

   The one thing you seem to be totally correct, is that Rove stayed in the WH despite having been involved in the post-Armitage phase of the leak....OK, so Bush broke a promise to protect/keep a needed adviser!

   Posted by Happy at 10/23/2007 @ 12:16am

2. Thank you, David Corn! This is sad news, but it sounds like a step up, in a capitalist I'll-Be-Managing-a-Bureau kind of way. Loved the part of your linked farewell about the need for fact-based reporting on political and policy developments. As for Springsteen, he's a swell guy, but you're better off being yourself.

   Posted by RLawrence at 10/23/2007 @ 12:28am

3. "(including me) still don't believe was a Covert "

   With most men, unbelief in one thing springs from blind belief in another. ~ Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (1742 - 1799)

   Happless going out on the delusional note.

   HA!

   Posted by CaptainKirk at 10/23/2007 @ 01:09am

4. The entire Western world (+ Russia) was in on the Iraq War since all held similar intelligence and belief that Saddam had WMDs!

   Posted by HAPPY 10/23/2007 @ 12:16am

   What does being "in on the Iraq war" mean? Of "the entire Western world", only the US of A and its pet poodle were major players in the war. Most of the other major nations of the Western world - and Russia - were staunchly opposed to the village idiot's misadventure and had misgivings on the evidence re WMDs. There has to be a limit to what spin Republicans will put on the war retrospectively.

   Posted by oneworld at 10/23/2007 @ 01:20am

5. " What matters is what they can get away with "

   And why then Mr. Corn are you against impeachment of Cheney and Bush?

   Posted by Rese at 10/23/2007 @ 01:45am

6. Fact is they used forged documents as evidence, and no one has gotten to the bottom of the forgery.

   Impeachment proceedings would reveal a lot more ............

   Posted by Rese at 10/23/2007 @ 01:47am

7. ANY ANSWERS?

   Posted by Rese at 10/23/2007 @ 01:47am

8. I can only imagine when Wilson's report came out, Mr. Cheney getting so irate that his carefully designed plan to get us into war was going to fail. It is not hard to deduct from then how the whole machinery of the Administration went on to get Wilson on "what it takes" on his 'authenticity', political bias, and of course nepotism.

   If Valerie Wilson had been primarily an office employee I think that the CIA would had intervened to discredit Ms Wilson, specially when she declared in Congress. Ms. Wilson would also had been more free to comment on some of her reponsibilities, still it is a pity that there is so much classified information in this case but I am sure that 20 years from now (and for the judgment of history), all the nation will be sure as I am now) that this was only vile political persecution.

   I wish you the best luck in your future endeavorments.

   Posted by Frank42 at 10/23/2007 @ 03:06am

9. Mr Corn, end of the day and end of the paperback run of "Hubris", right or wrong, it still adds up to one thing--

   "It is true that at the end of the day, no one was charged with a crime for leaking information on Valerie Wilson. Patrick Fitzgerald decided that he could not prove in court--as he would have to under the law--that the leakers knew that Valerie Wilson was a covert officer. But Fitzgerald did pursue Libby and Rove for possibly lying to FBI agents and the grand jury investigating the leak. He nabbed Libby but, after much consideration, opted not to indict Rove."

   Libby only and he gets pardoned. End of story. Sorry, but I think a smart guy could have seen that coming a long time ago.

   Posted by Mask at 10/23/2007 @ 07:23am

10. So as it turns out, Valerie was also working on keeping nukes out of the hands of the Iranians, at whom Cheney wants to lob tactical nukes, over the issue of nukes.

    Did Darth Dick just lash out at the Wilsons without considering the ramifications?

    Or did he intentionally sabotage a program designed to neuter his best reason for attack?

    We're gonna be a long time cleaning up after these assholes...

    Posted by bwindrip at 10/23/2007 @ 07:33am

11. Plame was not covert and her husband was an idiot for outing her ..

    And now they live the life of luxury in Sante Fa, home of all out agents...

    A load of crapp, Korn, standing with shovel in his hands and shit bon his shoes.

    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Posted by JOMA 10/23/2007 @ 12:36am |

    The delusions continue.

    FACT: Plame WAS COVERT. JOMA, if you have ANY proof to the contrary I would love to see it. PONTIFICUS has made this claim for a year, and has been unable to produce a shred of evidence to back himself up. Her boss said she was covert, the DOJ said she was covert.

    did you support the war JOMA? did you support the war because of wmd's and terrorism? If so, you SHOULD be outraged over this planned outing of a CIA operative for political reasons. If you are not, then you are a partisan hack, like Happy and POnti. So worked up over non-existent wmd's, then willing to ignore someone trying to keep real threats under control. You are a sheep, believing only what you are told to believe.

    Just think, the propaganda arm of Chmpco has you believing falsehoods over facts. Are you proud of yourselves for allowing the ministry of misinformation to lead you? did you believe in the wmd's that were never there? did you believe in connections between Saddam and Al Qaida that were never there? Did you believe the war would be quick and the Iraqis would welcome a Christian army into their country? Do you think Plame was not covert?

    these are all falsehoods, why do you continue to believe in falsehoods? Because Bush told you? Foolsall.

    3800 soldiers are dead because of you. Hope you sleep well in your ignorance, I am sure you do.

    Plame was doing her job protecting you fools from your feared wmd's. ChimpCO outed her for political gain. They helped degrade national security for political gain, period. To deny this is absolute nonsense.

    MASK, it is not over, because people like me will continue to question our reps about why national security was put at risk and why did congress roll over and play dead. You really need to fix this attitude of "ooohh nothing will ever change". Things change, it may take time, but the world progresses if people don;t take your attitude and keep pushing. If we lived as you suggest we would still be sitting blacks in the back of the bus.

    Posted by crabwalk at 10/23/2007 @ 08:04am

12. Mr. Corn, you will be missed.

    Hope to still hear you on the Dianne Rehm show putting Tony Blankley in East St. Louis headlocks with the truth. Squeeze these neo-con fools till their heads pop.

    Posted by crabwalk at 10/23/2007 @ 08:07am

13. Maybe today will be the day PONTIFLOGIC comes through with his secret list of dems involved in a witch hunt, and his secret proof that the CIA and DOJ missed that shows Plame was not covert. Then we can pass this info on the our guvt so they know all about it.

    Is today your day, PONTI? Or is today the day you admit you were took by ChimpCo? The day you wake up and see that your beliefs are based on lies and falsehoods.

    try reality , you might like it.

    Posted by crabwalk at 10/23/2007 @ 08:12am

14. Plame: "President Bush is NOT a man of his word".

    Crab: "Bush is a lying sack of crap." Cheney should be in chains with a waterboard close by. After all, it' just like a fraternity prank, no big deal.

    Posted by crabwalk at 10/23/2007 @ 08:14am

15. Of course all that happened under a 12-year reptile controlled congress. Now that the DoJ has been rescued from its GOP Gestapo makeover, we'll see how far special prosecutors will take investigations into Frito/hsuB/cHeney's corruptions. (Er, and where was Frito when all this was hapening...)

    Er, and what's the statute of limitations on obstruction of justice, conspiracy to commit mass murder/lying us to war, treason, pilfering our treasury, ...

    Posted by hsuBfools at 10/23/2007 @ 08:24am

16. Splendid work, CRABWALK, in dismantling JOMA's nonsensical spasms that are truly elephantine bowel movements -- even by JOMA's heinous standards. And also for performing the same cleansing against POL POT PONTI in his black pajama/Year Zero phase on the same topic.

    Now, my turn: JOMA claims to have swung "million dollar deals". But with the non-existant intellect that he exhibits here, and with the anti-individualistic desire to be purely doctrinaire, he implicitly expresses a symbiotic wish to morph completely into a mewling mass of ditthohead clones. It is obvious that JOMA is hallucinating over the fryer as he mops his low-set brow of the copious sweat and grease that settles there.

    His "million dollar deal" is just that -- if denominated in "metric dollars" that exchange for real USDs at the rate of "a dolar three-eighty" per million. Now, we see plainly that JOMA's "deal" is actually making change for a fiver for a large fries and medium coke.

    Plame was not covert and her husband was an idiot for outing her ... A load of crapp, Korn, standing with shovel in his hands and shit bon his shoes.

    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Posted by JOMA 10/23/2007 @ 12:36am

    Now for the authentic utterance right from JOMA's sphincter-like oral cavity:

    baa-ahhhhhhhhh ba-aaahhhhhhhhh ba-aahhhhhhhhh ...

    Posted by John_Shaft at 10/23/2007 @ 08:25am

17. MASK, it is not over, because people like me will continue to question our reps about why national security was put at risk and why did congress roll over and play dead.----Posted by CRABWALK 10/23/2007 @ 08:04am

    Yeah...for the next 15 months. Then?...not so much if the Dem wins.

    Sorry, CRAB. This story dies with the end of the Bush Admin., except as a "questions still remain" throwaway line until Dubya himself croaks of old age in the 2030s.

    Posted by Mask at 10/23/2007 @ 09:17am

18. Posted by JOMA 10/23/2007 @ 12:36am

    that's ridiculous.

    Posted by frosty zoom at 10/23/2007 @ 09:17am

19. Er, and what's the statute of limitations on obstruction of justice, conspiracy to commit mass murder/lying us to war, treason, pilfering our treasury, ... ---Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/23/2007 @ 08:24am

    January 20th, 2009....when Madam President tells the nation that it's "time to leave the past behind, MOVE ON, and work on more important issues for our future" and even the saner elements of the Blogosphere say "Well, she's right. Atleast they're gone. Let's just make sure nobody LIKE them, ever gets power again!"

    Posted by Mask at 10/23/2007 @ 09:19am

20. Case Closed The truth about the Iraqi-Niger "yellowcake" nexus. By Christopher Hitchens Posted Tuesday, July 25, 2006, at 12:46 PM ET Slate.com

    'Now that Joseph and Valerie Wilson's fantasies of having been persecuted by high officials in the administration have been so thoroughly dispelled by Robert Novak (and now that it seems the prosecutor has determined that there was no breach of the relevant laws to begin with), we may return to the more important original question. Was there good reason to suppose that Iraqi envoys visited Niger in search of "yellowcake" uranium ore?

    In a series of columns, I have argued that the answer to this is "yes," and that British intelligence was right to inform Washington to that effect. Iraq--despite having yellowcake of its own--had bought the material from Niger as early as 1981 and had not at that time informed the International Atomic Energy Agency (weapons inspectors effectively stopped Iraq's domestic yellowcake production after 1991). On Oct. 31, 1998, Iraq announced the end of its cooperation with the U.N. inspectors, who were effectively barred from the country. A few days later, the U.N. Security Council condemned this move in Resolution 1205, dated Nov. 5, 1998. The following month, the Clinton administration ordered selective strikes in and around Baghdad. A few weeks after that--on Feb. 8, 1999, to be precise--an Iraqi delegation visited Niger. It was headed by the improbable figure of Saddam Hussein's ambassador to the Vatican. But the improbability becomes more intelligible when it is understood that this diplomat, Wissam al-Zahawie by name, was a very experienced Iraqi envoy for nuclear-related matters.

    I shall quote here, with his permission, from a letter I have received from Ambassador Rolf Ekeus. Ambassador Ekeus, currently high commissioner for national minority questions for the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe, is a founder of the renowned Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, has been Sweden's envoy both to the United Nations and the United States, and won great acclaim for his effective defanging of Iraq when he was the first chairman of UNSCOM after the first Gulf War in 1992. (When it was proposed 10 years later that the U.N. inspectors be sent back to Iraq, Kofi Annan actually renominated Ekeus for the job but was overruled by France and Russia, who wanted the more conciliatory Hans Blix.) Ekeus writes to me as follows, having known Zahawie in a professional capacity and having read the posting, apparently from him, in Slate's "Fray":

    "One of my colleagues remembers Zahawie as Iraq's delegate to the IAEA General Conference during the years 1982-84. One item on the agenda was the diplomatic and political fall-out of Israel's destruction of the Osirak reactor (a centerpiece of Iraq's nuclear weapons ambitions). Zahawie in his response [to Slate] appears to confirm that he was Iraq's delegate, though not the Permanent delegate, to the IAEA (the General Conference) and therefore clearly not foreign to the nuclear issues, especially as he was the under-secretary of the foreign ministry selected by Baghdad to represent Iraq on the most sensitive issue, the question of Iraq's nuclear weapons ambitions. His participation as leader of the Iraqi delegation to the 1995 Non-Proliferation Treaty Review Conference merely confirms his standing as Iraq's top negotiator on nuclear weapons issues. [italics mine]" ...'

    Posted by HonestLiberal at 10/23/2007 @ 09:19am

21. Libby only and he gets pardoned. End of story. Sorry, but I think a smart guy could have seen that coming a long time ago.

    Posted by MASK 10/23/2007 @ 07:23am

    people have got to try mask.

    if you always say it'll never work, it'll never work.

    Posted by frosty zoom at 10/23/2007 @ 09:20am

22. Why does Frita know that it's all over? Because she was right about her Frito not going down. Because Frita was right about Pelosi taking impeachment off the table for her Frito, just before Pelosi put it on the table for Frito. And now that Frito is looking at a special prosecutor, Frita looks all the more like she going on to a record of being... wrong.

    Posted by hsuBfools at 10/23/2007 @ 09:23am

23. btw

    thanks for the hard work, mr. corn

    good luck

    Posted by frosty zoom at 10/23/2007 @ 09:28am

24. Corn was nothing but a Woodward and Bernstein wannabee---He is just upset that the President didn't resign or impeachment did not take place---this means his place in history is lost---no movie deals----just his book Hubris---by the way maybe that was the correct title for a book by David Corn---Sorry David---the big scandal that you thought would bring down a Presidency will be nothing more than a footnote in history and your name will probably never be mentioned.

    Posted by Len Mosse at 10/23/2007 @ 10:15am

25. Scooter Libby unlike Bill Clinton, actually convicted of lying in court - to cover up crimes committed by his boss.

    Brewster Jennings, the CIA front company, got exposed. Republican Conservatives said, "Get Novak out there, we gotta get revenge on Joe Wilson's wife, because the man told the truth".

    Here are Conservatives, punishing a man's wife for telling the truth. Perjuring themselves - and all Joe Wilson did was tell the truth. Joe Wilson was only telling the truth. George Bush was lying about the yellowcake from Niger, because George Bush was hell-bent to invade Iraq.

    Of course Bush was ready to pardon anyone convicted in a cover-up. This was serious. Someone told the truth to the American people. George Bushs actions, through Robert Novak, exposing a CIA operator and a CIA front company - then pardoning those ensared in a cover-up investigation - were carried out to get even with a man's wife because he told the truth to Americans.

    Democrats, this is who you're dealing with. QUIT with the fuccken bi-partisanship. Americans are tired of you guys "reaching across the aisle". Americans are tired of this Jesus-Christ attitude towards these Authoritarians who are starting wars and training their death squads, denying little kids the medical care they need, and they are building their concentration camps.

    Pelosi, we want to see you get pissed off, and if you don't, nothing less is going to look authentic. When there is a crisis we expect you to act like it - not act like it's over your head - but act as though you have appropriate emotions, such as anger when it is appropriate. You Democrats are acting like a bunch of Jesus-Christs, and we don't want victory in the hereafter, after these Authoritarians turn their death squads and their waterboarding against Americans while you just stand there and shake their hand. GET TOUGH.

    Posted by conshame at 10/23/2007 @ 10:19am

26. Sweet Jesus - the ability of these fools to overlook treason and lying. My God, what has this country become?

    Facts are facts, Neo-Con Howling Monkey Dead-Enders.

    Plame was covert.

    Cheney is a lying piece of cowardly trash.

    Rove is a scumbag, and his wife is now fair game.

    Get over it guys, you got screwed by your hero's, and they damaged the security of this country with their traitorous acts.

    Now be a good citizen, and denounce them for the scoundrels and cheats that they are.

    Posted by Dr Decibels at 10/23/2007 @ 10:28am

27. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZthat Valerie Plame is hot..zzzzzzzzzzzz

    Posted by davebarlett at 10/23/2007 @ 10:48am

28. Cliff May was the appointed hitman on Wilson. But he started much earlier than you noted.

    Here is the first hit on Wilson from May

    He [Wilson] was recently the keynote speaker for the Education for Peace in Iraq Center, a far-left group that opposed not only the U.S. military intervention in Iraq but also the sanctions -- and even the no-fly zones that protected hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Kurds and Shias from being slaughtered by Saddam.

    [...]

    In other words, Wilson is no disinterested career diplomat -- he's a pro-Saudi, leftist partisan with an ax to grind. And too many in the media are helping him and allies grind it.

    Cliff May 7/11/03 [nationalreview.com]

    Posted by pollyusa at 10/23/2007 @ 11:03am

29. Posted by DAVEBARLETT 10/23/2007 @ 10:50am

    As an avowedly disloyal un-American sack of shit you have just declared yourself to be, your words have no more meaning that a fart in a whirlwind.

    Now sod off, bugger.

    Posted by Dr Decibels at 10/23/2007 @ 11:11am

30. Dr. Dumbass, you're hurting my feelings...............Well, back to work....... some of us aren't still at home, living off mom and dad.....

    Posted by davebarlett at 10/23/2007 @ 11:37am

31. That Valerie Plame is hot and she has been outed? I'd like to see her in lesbian magazine

    Posted by abell12ct at 10/23/2007 @ 12:09pm

32. The same ol' song and dance from the right, exemplified by Happy and others: "I've got my mind made up - don't confuse me with the facts."

    Or in this case, they have their beliefs made up. But belief and faith in a bunch of nonsense CAN NEVER CHANGE FACTS.

    The FACTS are there - I prefer to develop an informed opinion using facts, and leave the belief to the self delusional....

    Posted by ILOVEPHYSICS at 10/23/2007 @ 12:11pm

33. Posted by ILOVEPHYSICS 10/23/2007 @ 12:11pm

    It would be funny except these fools VOTE.

    Posted by Dr Decibels at 10/23/2007 @ 12:13pm

34. Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 10/23/2007 @ 09:20am

    For a year, it was endless blog speculation that Fitzgerald would indict not only Rove, but CHENEY. Remember "Fitz-mas"? Nothing.

    Then it was "Rove will be forced to testify and Fitz will get to ask him how he stole Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004!". Nothing.

    Then it was "Libby will rat out Cheney and we'll get impeachment!". Nothing.

    "Plame-gate" was practically "over" when Fitzgerald failed to indict Rove...or ANYBODY for actually outing Plame. Then it was just killing time until Bush pardoned Libby.

    And Mr Corn ends his tenure here at "TN" with the last of a couple dozen articles on it, the same as it started. Nothing.

    Posted by Mask at 10/23/2007 @ 12:23pm

35. Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/23/2007 @ 09:23am

    Gee, HSUB. I guess in ONE WEEK, I'll be totally disproven, huh?

    When Halloween comes and Pelosi, "secretly" pushing impeachment, finally gets those bills out of Conyers (also "secretly" for it) Committee....and then, just to take it off the front pages....Gore announces his "secret" campaign is over and he announces for Prez.

    BTW, remember back when YOU thought "Plame-gate" would lead to impeachment?

    Posted by Mask at 10/23/2007 @ 12:26pm

36. Posted by MASK 10/23/2007 @ 12:23pm

    And when the truth no longer matters, we are all harmed by that.

    Posted by Dr Decibels at 10/23/2007 @ 12:32pm

37. Citypages.com Issue -- September 19, 2007 One Man's Story: Philip Agee, Cuba, and the CIA By Rhena Tantisunthorn

    'Much to the U.S. government's displeasure, in 1975 former CIA agent Philip Agee published his memoir, Inside the Company: CIA Diary, a chronicle of the inner workings of CIA operations in Central and South America where Agee was posted. The book reveals the identity of numerous CIA agents. In response, the outraged onetime CIA director and then-VP Bush Senior campaigned to pass the Intelligence Identity Protection Act (also known as the Anti-Agee Act) in 1982. In 1994, Barbara Bush joined the fray when, in her memoir, she blamed Agee for the death of an agent whose identity Agee had revealed in his book. Agee sued Mother Bush and the former First Lady pulled the accusation from later editions. Ironically, in 2003, critics of the Bush Junior White House were invoking the Intelligence Identity Protection Act in the Valerie Plame case. As Agee's presence on the national intelligence scene shows no signs of dwindling, the new documentary is sure to comment on more than just this one man's life.'

    Posted by HonestLiberal at 10/23/2007 @ 12:37pm

38. The FACTS are there - I prefer to develop an informed opinion using facts, and leave the belief to the self delusional....

    Posted by ILOVEPHYSICS 10/23/2007 @ 12:11pm

    Interesting you'd ignore the biggest fact, as stated by David Corn:

    It is true that at the end of the day, no one was charged with a crime for leaking information on Valerie Wilson.

    I rest my case!

    Posted by Happy at 10/23/2007 @ 1:01pm

39. Nothing.

    Posted by MASK 10/23/2007 @ 12:23pm

    I'm with you on this call!

    Posted by Happy at 10/23/2007 @ 1:02pm

40. Facts are facts, Neo-Con Howling Monkey Dead-Enders.

    Plame was covert.

    Cheney is a lying piece of cowardly trash.

    Rove is a scumbag, and his wife is now fair game.

    Get over it guys, you got screwed by your hero's, and they damaged the security of this country with their traitorous acts.

    Posted by Dr Decibels at 10/23/2007 @ 1:16pm

41. DR. Dumbass,

    I guess mommie and daddie didn't show you enough attention as a child...better hope your boss doesn't catch you playing on the internet on his dime......

    Posted by davebarlett at 10/23/2007 @ 1:20pm

42. Posted by DAVEBARLETT 10/23/2007 @ 1:20pm

    Keep snivelling. I'm allowed. We're adults around here, and as a well trained highly skilled professional, I'm trusted.

    And you are still a truth-denying Neo-Con Howling Monkey Dead-Ender, as well as a traitor, and a traitor-enabler.

    Posted by Dr Decibels at 10/23/2007 @ 1:31pm

43. BTW, remember back when YOU thought "Plame-gate" would lead to impeachment?

    Posted by MASK 10/23/2007 @ 12:26pm

    Er, what's the statute of limitations on treason, mass murder,...? None!?!?!? Since no one but Libby was tried, none of the new con supporters, services of dic'tator philosophy, can use that tired old 'piece of paper' that says something about a double jeopardy clause, right?!?!?

    Oh, geeze, Frita just means that she 'wants' it to be over... Do you win something Frita, if you can make it all just magically go away? But yoiu can't, can you...

    Posted by hsuBfools at 10/23/2007 @ 1:42pm

44. And you are still a truth-denying Neo-Con Howling Monkey Dead-Ender, as well as a traitor, and a traitor-enabler.

    Posted by DR DECIBELS 10/23/2007 @ 1:31pm

    I guess that would also apply to Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of Congress then as well.

    David...you might want to re-release your book under the fiction category now, and introduce your hypotheses to a more receptive readership.

    Posted by Sliver at 10/23/2007 @ 1:44pm

45. Dr. Dumbass, If I'm a howling monkey, what does that make you?

    A monkey spanker? A well trained, highly skilled, professional one, of course....(heh,heh)

    Don't be ashamed, it's honest work.........

    Posted by davebarlett at 10/23/2007 @ 1:58pm

46. Posted by DAVEBARLETT 10/23/2007 @ 1:58pm

    It makes me a bitch-slapping patriot.

    Posted by Dr Decibels at 10/23/2007 @ 2:00pm

47. "With most men, unbelief in one thing springs from blind belief in another." ~ Lichtenberg

    You can see in this case, that blind belief is a stretch for Happy. The logic is weak and the conviction strong. What we have here is a flat-earth devotee.

    David, I don't doubt you believe everything you penned here to be true to the best of your knowledge, with minimal spin! From the other side, it's hard to imagine anyone involved, from Armitage on down, knew they were exposing a CIA operative who many (including me) still don't believe was a Covert Agent under the law as drafted & intended by Victoria T.; she is that convincing of a voice!

    Posted by HAPPY 10/23/2007 @ 12:16am | ignore this person

    Translated: I'm not calling you a cynical and deceptive liar, I'm just saying you're wrong and I'm right. (Corn's job is to research and write, Happy trades investments for profit. We're supposed to believe Happy has a bead on the truth? Right.)

    Translated: I can't imagine Cheney, Libby, Rove or Armitage would ever intentionally out a CIA agent. Not even as retribution for discrediting the office of the Vice President's evidence of Iraq's nuclear weapons? Namely mass quantities of Niger Uranium, even though OVP and CIA admitted the story was untrue and that they knew it was untrue before the State of the Union address? No retribution no shot across the bow for attempting to discredit a key piece of fraudulent information that discredited BushCo's case for war? No, Happy can't imagine it.

    The current head of the CIA testified Plame was covert at the time she was outed by Novak in a sworn affidavit produced for Congress. Fitzgerald asserted the fact, uncontested as a fact by defense counsel, in his sentencing agreement. Still, Happy chooses to believe (belief) Victoria Toensing thereby making the head of the CIA and a USA Attorney and the judge in the case, all liars.

    Beliefs. Nincompoop.

    Posted by NeilSagan at 10/23/2007 @ 2:05pm

48. 'Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel' - Samuel Johnson, April 7, 1775

    Posted by HonestLiberal at 10/23/2007 @ 2:05pm

49. Corn was nothing but a Woodward and Bernstein wannabee---He is just upset that the President didn't resign or impeachment did not take place---this means his place in history is lost---no movie deals----just his book Hubris---by the way maybe that was the correct title for a book by David Corn---Sorry David---the big scandal that you thought would bring down a Presidency will be nothing more than a footnote in history and your name will probably never be mentioned.

    Posted by LEN MOSSE 10/23/2007 @ 10:15am | ignore this person

    LEN MOSSE is a nobody.

    Posted by NeilSagan at 10/23/2007 @ 2:07pm

50. Posted by MASK 10/23/2007 @ 12:23pm

    i've seen what has happened.

    my message was to YOU.

    your country doesn't need more pragmatists who are correct.

    it needs intelligent "warriors" to correct it.

    Posted by frosty zoom at 10/23/2007 @ 2:09pm

51. Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/23/2007 @ 1:42pm

    No, HSUB. I don't "win" anything. Truly it's a shame that nothing came from "Plame-gate" that might have ended the war or the Administration

    No, I'm just sick of YOU being BOTH stupidly naive and a jerk. One or the other, no problem. But not both.

    BTW....how's this for a Best Of reel of HSUBFOOLS and "Plame-gate"?-

    "Look Libby had lied to the FBI from the getgo and thus it was part of Fitzgeralds mandate to prosecute him. No suprize there. However congress' oversight can and will dig up the dirt on these liars. Impeachment won't be a problem.----Posted by HSUBFOOLS 03/19/2007 @ 8:35pm

    My bolds. Three months later....

    "hsuB pardons Libby and he's just a few days/weeks closer to getting impeached. hsuB has everything neccessary for being impeached and low poll numbers aren't helping him in any way not to be. I say he doesn't." ----Posted by HSUBFOOLS 06/05/2007 @ 8:33pm

    Posted by Mask at 10/23/2007 @ 2:13pm

52. Posted by HONESTLIBERAL 10/23/2007 @ 2:05pm

    Yeah yeah. Got your little flag pin on your lapel?

    Posted by Dr Decibels at 10/23/2007 @ 2:13pm

53. To quote Corny:

    Richard Armitage, who was the No. 2 at the State Department and a neocon-hating Iraq war skeptic, was the administration official who initially told Novak that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA. But the Plamegate deniers often ignore the inconvenient truth that White House aide Karl Rove--during the White House campaign to undermine Joe Wilson--confirmed this classified information for Novak and also passed the same leak to Matt Cooper, then of Time.

    In a nutshell...it was one of the liberals' own that leaked the information...a little tidbit of news that again and again gets glossed over by and receives little more than lip service from the left...Just like the fact that once they found out that the leaker was not a Bush Admin. official, the uproar and outrage dried up. Poof! No more story. However, Corn still twists himself in knots trying to lay this at Rove's feet. Umm, once Plame's identity was revealed, she was no longer covert.

    Posted by usc1 at 10/23/2007 @ 2:14pm

54. Corn,

    Thanks for your posts here and at davidcorn.com. See you down the road.

    Posted by NeilSagan at 10/23/2007 @ 2:15pm

55. it needs intelligent "warriors" to correct it.----Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 10/23/2007 @ 2:09pm

    And I agree. Unfortunately they are either totally cynical...or not that bright (no HSnameS needed).

    Posted by Mask at 10/23/2007 @ 2:17pm

56. Posted by USC1 10/23/2007 @ 2:14pm

    Another traitor enabler speaks his "mind".

    Posted by Dr Decibels at 10/23/2007 @ 2:22pm

57. The Wilsons are extremely talented and well connected Washington insiders. There is little doubt that they will pursue this business to the very end, hoping to finally gain satisfaction. Valerie's book is now available. She is now "touring" TV commentary shows, internet websites, writes a blog series appearing on salon.com, is being interviewed by newsmedia, and has presented her court case in detail in a new website: www.fairgameplame.com. Despite the fact that a Bush flunky fed. (?) judge has summarily dismissed all or part of their court case with the flimsiest of excuses, the Wilsons will fight this out as long as it takes. The Bush administration and its media howlers have strained themselves to the limit to bury the Wilsons, but remember that this struggle may likely go on for well more than a year - - by which time the Bushies will be out of office and, as Bill Clinton learned, they will be vulnerable to prosecution without the Executive Branch pressure they are accustomed to exerting on the media, the legislature, and the courts. Lets see what happens over the intervening year until the 2008 election, and then in 2009 Rove Cheney, Bush, and the rest of that criminal mob will be out in the open. No matter what happens, we may expect the Wilsons to push the envelope as far as it takes to expose the Bush mob to justice.

    Posted by fscalzi at 10/23/2007 @ 2:22pm

58. your country doesn't need more pragmatists who are correct.

    it needs intelligent "warriors" to correct it.

    Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 10/23/2007 @ 2:09pm | ignore this

    And your country needs fewer American wannabees----we don't take kindly to Canadians telling us what we should and should not be doing----you have your own problems --such as a health care system that doesn't work when your seriously ill--just ask all the Canadians in Detroit hospitals. So drink another Moulson, watch some Hockey, and ponder on your own problems hea---as to ours--we will deal with them---take a hike hea

    Posted by Len Mosse at 10/23/2007 @ 3:06pm

59. I read a very insightful commentary on the Plame incident. It was nice to read an author who put politics on the backburner. Here is the link if you are interested. http://joeleonardi.wordpress.com/2007/10/22/valerie-plame-im-still-right -and-correct/

    Posted by mia1 at 10/23/2007 @ 3:08pm

60. The Nation posted March 24, 2005 (April 11, 2005 issue) Patriotism Is Nonpartisan

    by George McGovern

    '...First and foremost, I have believed since childhood that my country is the greatest nation on the face of the earth. Never once during my long years as a public servant did I drive down Pennsylvania Avenue to my office at the US Capitol--past the majestic memorials to George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln--without experiencing the genuine thrill of knowing that I worked for the US government and its citizens. ...

    Old-fashioned American liberals such as I are accused not only of being weak on defense but also weak on marriage and the family, the work ethic and reverence for religious faith. I resent such groundless political slurs. After all, I hold the Distinguished Flying Cross and the Presidential Medal of Freedom. I have been happily married to the same woman for sixty-one years and am the father of five children and ten grandchildren--all of whom I love dearly, including dear, deceased Terry. As the son of a Wesleyan Methodist clergyman, I dare say that my life has always been enriched and guided by the Judeo-Christian ethic. Nothing has influenced my philosophy more than the Hebrew prophets and the Sermon on the Mount. Beyond this, I have worked hard at useful tasks throughout my life and thank God I still have the health and motivation to continue that work schedule at the age of 82. Of course, I share one of my father's oft-quoted biblical lines: "All of us have sinned and come short of the glory of God." ...

    In the Methodist parsonage where I was reared I was taught that we should be cautious about judging one another. Such judgments are more properly left to the Almighty rather than to the political hustings and the quest for partisan advantage.'

    Posted by HonestLiberal at 10/23/2007 @ 3:43pm

61. take a hike hea---Posted by LEN MOSSE 10/23/2007 @ 3:06pm

    Two points...

    1. The Canadian system isn't great, but it's not in the hole HALF A TRILLION dollars and it hasn't killed 3800+ Americans. So maybe their problems are slightly less than OURS.

    2. It's not "hea" (which would be pronounced "he-ah")...it's "eh" (pron. "ehh")....and not sure they use "take a hike", maybe "take off"

    heheh

    Posted by Mask at 10/23/2007 @ 3:57pm

62. Posted by HONESTLIBERAL 10/23/2007 @ 3:43pm

    Senator McGovern is a good guy. Not that great a politician, but he was a helluva flier in his youth.

    Those 24s were a bi-ach to fly, no hydraulics, and they'd fly as dangerous if not more dangerous missions than the 17s.

    Posted by Mask at 10/23/2007 @ 3:59pm

63. Thank you Mr. Corn for all your work. I have been a great adimirer of yours since the '90s, watching you on TV quietly exposing lie after lie by the right-wing whores and fascists: the Toensings, that god-awful Mrs. Cheney, that piece of filth Ari Fleischer, and the rest.

    Plus I think you'r hot. I wish you all the best.

    Posted by tomshef at 10/23/2007 @ 4:10pm

64. CounterPunch -- November 14, 2002 -- American Journal -- The Anti-War Movement and Its Critics: by ALEXANDER COCKBURN

    'Do we have an antiwar movement? We're getting there. We must be, because we're catching flak from the anti-anti war movement, Light Infantry division, staffed by Marc Cooper, Todd Gitlin, David Corn, and Christopher Hitchens. ...

    David Corn's most substantial piece of work to date is The Blonde Ghost, which could described as a not unsympathetic account of Ted Shackley, a CIA supervisor of one bloodbath after another, most notably the Phoenix program. Corn has now taken to issuing cop-style intelligence reports reminiscent of FBI field advisories to Hoover, on the Workers World Party. stigmatizing the Workers World Party for its nefarious role in the DC and Bay Area antiwar demonstrations....'

    Posted by HonestLiberal at 10/23/2007 @ 4:27pm

65. No, HSUB. I don't "win" anything. Truly it's a shame that nothing came from "Plame-gate" that might have ended the war or the Administration

    congress' oversight can and will dig up the dirt on these liars. Impeachment won't be a problem.----Posted by HSUBFOOLS 03/19/2007 @ 8:35pm

    I say he doesn't." ----Posted by HSUBFOOLS 06/05/2007 @ 8:33pm

    Posted by MASK 10/23/2007 @ 2:13pm

    Oh Frita, playing with that blond wig again-- you miss the real big point, as always-- is there a statute of limitations? (It's ok. Take some iron.)

    Er, BTW, Frita, a commutation of sentence to paying 1/4 mil, no jail time, is a halfcy, not a pardon...

    I'm still right and you're still wrong.

    Again.

    Posted by hsuBfools at 10/23/2007 @ 4:37pm

66. "Scooter Libby unlike Bill Clinton, actually convicted of lying in court - to cover up crimes committed by his boss. '

    bill enter no contest, lost his license and paid a fine...couldn't affored to go on trial and have Monica talk in open court...it would have been a bigger circus and hurt Hillary ...for 08.

    Conshame = blind liberal loon who hates America

    Posted by JoMa at 10/23/2007 @ 4:39pm

67. The stubborn refusal of wingnuts to recognize the facts of the Valerie Plame CIA agent willful exposure by Dick Cheney is truly astonishing ignorance.

    I wondered how long it has been since a similar case has existed and then I realized, it's concurrent, the wingnuts willfully refuse to believe man-made global warming is a serious risk to our peace and prosperity. Instead, they claim the remedy for global warming is the threat. Stupid wingnuts.

    Posted by NeilSagan at 10/23/2007 @ 4:51pm

68. This is for JohannesRolf, if he's around.

    I wanted to get your take on this, it's a classic Bush administration incompetence storyline. From the NY Times:

    Eric Schmitt and David Rohde write in the New York Times: "A pair of new reports have delivered sharply critical judgments about the State Department's performance in overseeing work done by the private companies that the government relies on increasingly in Iraq and Afghanistan to carry out delicate security work and other missions.

    "A State Department review of its own security practices in Iraq assails the department for poor coordination, communication, oversight and accountability involving armed security companies like Blackwater USA, according to people who have been briefed on the report. . . .

    "[I]n presenting its recommendations to Rice in a 45-minute briefing on Monday, the four-member panel found serious fault with virtually every aspect of the department's security practices, especially in and around Baghdad, where Blackwater has responsibility. . . .

    "At the same time, a government audit expected to be released Tuesday says that records documenting the work of DynCorp, the State Department's largest contractor, are in such disarray that the department cannot say 'specifically what it received' for most of the $1.2 billion it has paid the company since 2004 to train the police officers in Iraq."

    Posted by Rapaport at 10/23/2007 @ 4:53pm

69. Ever wonder if Dick Cheney feels bad about throwing Libby to the wolves to save his own ass? Libby, formerly a manging partner for a national litigation firm, left the practice of law to serve his country in OVP. His criminal conviction, which is currently on appeal, will cause his disbarement. Well, there's another wingnut who will have to find gainful employment in wingnut welfare: AEI.

    Posted by NeilSagan at 10/23/2007 @ 4:54pm

70. No matter what happens, we may expect the Wilsons to push the envelope as far as it takes to expose the Bush mob to justice.

    Posted by FSCALZI 10/23/2007

    Actually, what we can expect is the Wilsons to collect every dollar they can for interviews, speeches, personal appearances and autograph signings for as long as they're in demand........

    They're cashing in on their 15 minutes of fame, which is, after all, the american way......And, Valerie Plame plays the victim far better than Hillary ever did when Bill did her wrong.....

    HONESTLIB, If patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel, perhaps victimhood is the first...LOL!

    Posted by davebarlett at 10/23/2007 @ 5:02pm

71. "if Dick Cheney feels bad about throwing Libby to the wolves "

    Never ANY honor among theives or crooks.

    Libby actually has more cred for the criminal enterprise that runs the GOPhers these days.

    Posted by CaptainKirk at 10/23/2007 @ 5:20pm

72. Posted by DAVEBARLETT 10/23/2007 @ 5:02pm

    Uhhmmmm, blaming victims, uuhhhmmm, why does that sound familiar...

    Glenn Beck, told his listeners, "I think there is a handful of people who hate America. Unfortunately for them, a lot of them are losing their homes in a forest fire today."

    Posted by hsuBfools at 10/23/2007 @ 5:23pm

73. "Valerie Plame plays the victim "

    Um, trained paramilitary - she would hand you your ass on a platter.

    But, of course you know that or you would not be such a pip. You see your insults are deeply seated in your abject insecurity. It always shows. You have to gain some character before you can become one and then only after some practice and a least some honest self examination. I am certain it will come to you some day in some way. Stay at it.

    Good on ya then.

    Posted by CaptainKirk at 10/23/2007 @ 5:24pm

74. CounterPunch -- April 28 / 29, 2007 -- Is Global Warming a Sin? -- By ALEXANDER COCKBURN

    '...Now imagine two lines on a piece of graph paper. The first rises to a crest, then slopes sharply down, then levels off and rises slowly once more. The other has no undulations. It rises in a smooth, slowly increasing arc. The first, wavy line is the worldwide CO2 tonnage produced by humans burning coal, oil and natural gas. On this graph it starts in 1928, at 1.1 gigatons (i.e. 1.1 billion metric tons). It peaks in 1929 at 1.17 gigatons. The world, led by its mightiest power, the USA, plummets into the Great Depression, and by 1932 human CO2 production has fallen to 0.88 gigatons a year, a 30 per cent drop. Hard times drove a tougher bargain than all the counsels of Al Gore or the jeremiads of the IPCC (Inter-Governmental Panel on Climate Change). Then, in 1933 it began to climb slowly again, up to 0.9 gigatons.

    And the other line, the one ascending so evenly? That's the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere, parts per million (ppm) by volume, moving in 1928 from just under 306, hitting 306 in 1929, to 307 in 1932 and on up. Boom and bust, the line heads up steadily. These days it's at 380.There are, to be sure, seasonal variations in CO2, as measured since 1958 by the instruments on Mauna Loa, Hawai'i. (Pre-1958 measurements are of air bubbles trapped in glacial ice.) Summer and winter vary steadily by about 5 ppm, reflecting photosynthesis cycles. The two lines on that graph proclaim that a whopping 30 per cent cut in man-made CO2 emissions didn't even cause a 1 ppm drop in the atmosphere's CO2. Thus it is impossible to assert that the increase in atmospheric CO2 stems from human burning of fossil fuels.

    I met Dr. Martin Hertzberg, the man who drew that graph and those conclusions, on a Nation cruise back in 2001. He remarked that while he shared many of the Nation's editorial positions, he approved of my reservations on the issue of supposed human contributions to global warming, as outlined in columns I wrote at that time. Hertzberg was a meteorologist for three years in the U.S. Navy, an occupation which gave him a lifelong mistrust of climate modeling. Trained in chemistry and physics, a combustion research scientist for most of his career, he's retired now in Copper Mountain, Colorado, still consulting from time to time.

    Not so long ago, Hertzberg sent me some of his recent papers on the global warming hypothesis, a construct now accepted by many progressives as infallible as Papal dogma on matters of faith or doctrine. Among them was the graph described above so devastating to the hypothesis.

    As Hertzberg readily acknowledges, the carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere has increased about 21 per cent in the past century. The world has also been getting just a little bit warmer. The not very reliable data on the world's average temperature (which omit most of the world's oceans and remote regions, while over-representing urban areas) show about a 0.5Co increase in average temperature between 1880 and 1980, and it's still rising, more sharply in the polar regions than elsewhere. But is CO2, at 380 parts per million in the atmosphere, playing a significant role in retaining the 94 per cent of solar radiation that's absorbed in the atmosphere, as against water vapor, also a powerful heat absorber, whose content in humid tropical atmosphere, can be as high as 2 per cent, the equivalent of 20,000 ppm. As Hertzberg says, water in the form of oceans, clouds, snow, ice cover and vapor "is overwhelming in the radiative and energy balance between the earth and the sun Carbon dioxide and the greenhouse gases are, by comparison, the equivalent of a few farts in a hurricane." And water is exactly that component of the earth's heat balance that the global warming computer models fail to account for....'

    Posted by HonestLiberal at 10/23/2007 @ 5:26pm

75. The thing I find amusing is the smugness of those that point out no one was prosecuted for this cowardly act of treason. The answer of course is that the language of the law was written so narrowly by the oh so crafty Victoria T. that such a clear act of treason is found to be unprosecutable. Great Law! Way to Go!

    Just becauase they couldn't charge them with anything other than Libby for trying to cover it up doesn't mean they didn't do anything wrong.

    Treason is treason. We know the truth. I don't need a clever law to tell me that which is so evident.

    Posted by Phobos1967 at 10/23/2007 @ 6:47pm

76. Posted by PHOBOS1967 10/23/2007 @ 6:47pm

    Treason is treason. We know the truth. I don't need a clever law to tell me that which is so evident.

    I think you may speak for the majority of lefties here. You know the truth: the people you hate are criminals, and you don't need no steeenking legal system to prove it.

    Posted by pontificus at 10/23/2007 @ 6:58pm

77. I also offer my thanks for your fine investigative work at The Nation, Mr. Corn.

    I look forward to a continuation of the excellent investigative work of Mother Jones magazine as well with the creation of their DC bureau.

    Best wishes in your new endeavor!

    Posted by b_kool_66 at 10/23/2007 @ 6:58pm

78. Posted by JOMA 10/23/2007 @ 4:39pm

    Ah. The typical neo-con repsonse to actual facts and information that implicates your leaders as crooks and murderous bastards.

    So Bill Clinton was a liar, and that allows these fools to lie? What kind of fucked up idiotic logic is that?

    By that turn, doesn't that mean that "leftist" assholes should be allowed to be crooked bastards, since neo-cons are crooked? Are you actually mentally disabled? Do you ride the short bus? Is this some sort of grade school crap? "YOU STARTED IT!!"

    THIS is what's wrong with this country. Not gays, or religious wackos, or terrorism. It's the absolute fools, right and left alike who are willing to be complete and total hypocrites at all times.

    THE MAJORITY of you need to wake the fuck up and smell the coffee. It doesn't matter which tool you're voting for in the upcoming election. Romney, or Giuliani, or Clinton, they are ALL the wrong people for the job.

    It's like putting out a fire with gasoline.

    Fucking morons. Go read a book.

    Posted by madlib at 10/23/2007 @ 6:59pm

79. From the start, neocons and conservative backers of the war dismissed the Plame leak and subsequent scandal as a big nothing.

    I would think that the fact that the 'scandal' ended up as a big nothing would vindicate this view.

    Some even claimed that somehow former Ambassador Joseph Wilson and I had cooked up the episode to ensnare the White House. (Oh, to be so devilishly clever--and to be so competent.)

    I never would have accused you of competence, Mr. Corn.

    Posted by pontificus at 10/23/2007 @ 7:06pm

80. Posted by PONTIFICUS 10/23/2007 @ 7:06pm

    Oh for god's sake, you are one of the craziest fucks here.

    If this is what my 40s have to offer, sitting at a computer screen through all my waking hours with no interests or real life, frothing at the mouth over petty idiocies and falsehoods, I may as well execute myself now.

    I suggest you take the same actions.

    Posted by madlib at 10/23/2007 @ 7:11pm

81. Posted by CRABWALK 10/23/2007 @ 08:04am

    FACT: Plame WAS COVERT. JOMA, if you have ANY proof to the contrary I would love to see it. PONTIFICUS has made this claim for a year, and has been unable to produce a shred of evidence to back himself up. Her boss said she was covert, the DOJ said she was covert.

    CRABBIE, as I have told you many times, you have the right to your own opinion, but not your own facts. In this country, people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. The fact that you and some others you choose to believe consider Plame to be covert is not sufficient to establish that fact. There are many others who disagree. Since the issue was never proven in court, you are left farting in the wind.

    Posted by pontificus at 10/23/2007 @ 7:13pm

82. The fact that you and some others you choose to believe consider Plame to be covert is not sufficient to establish that fact.

    Posted by PONTIFICUS 10/23/2007 @ 7:13pm

    Oh yes. Those stupid bastards at the CIA. Such fools with their "silly" labels.

    We should obviously leave it up to YOU to decide. Tell me, how long have you been running the CIA? I'd love to know.

    Posted by madlib at 10/23/2007 @ 7:15pm

83. Better yet, let's leave it up to the lying crooked masters you worship so to make the labels.

    Obviously THEY are the right ones to be doing so. Since they're so terribly...credible.

    Posted by madlib at 10/23/2007 @ 7:17pm

84. POSTED by MADLIB

    If this is what my 40s have to offer, sitting at a computer screen through all my waking hours with no interests or real life, frothing at the mouth over petty idiocies and falsehoods, I may as well execute myself now.

    Well, since you're already frothing over the petty idiocies and falsehoods purveyed here by the likes of Mr. Corn and his flock of sheep like CRABBIE, and presumably you're not in your 40's yet, I would say the writing is on the wall for you. When I read the raging incoherence and delusional output of liberals venting on this site, I admit that I giggle, I chuckle, I guffaw, but seldom do I froth.

    Posted by pontificus at 10/23/2007 @ 7:19pm

85. Posted by MADLIB 10/23/2007 @ 7:15pm

    We should obviously leave it up to YOU to decide. Tell me, how long have you been running the CIA? I'd love to know.

    Well, you don't have to take MY word for it. You could take the word of the person who WROTE the law, Ms. Toensing. Oh, yeah, I forgot, she's a member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, so even though she wrote the law, her opinion doesn't count. Strangely enough, it doesn't appear that anyone who disagrees with you has an opinion that counts either. Why do you think that is?

    Posted by pontificus at 10/23/2007 @ 7:22pm

86. Does anybody really expect that your average hamster would admit to themselves that they sold out their country with their mindless support for the chimp administrations leak of Valerie Wilson covert identity?

    Posted by Will C. at 10/23/2007 @ 7:31pm

87. Posted by PONTIFICUS 10/23/2007 @ 7:22pm

    This isn't about opinions moron. This is about the law, like you stated, which was interpreted by the people it SHOULD be interpreted by. Not Karl Rove, and not Dick Cheney, and certainly not yourself. I'm speaking of the DoJ, and the CIA, ad nauseum. Lawyers and professionals of this trade. It'd be like telling you how to properly mow a lawn.

    What's the point of even having this discussion with you? Your principles were corrupted long ago (or simply didn't exist in the first place). You care for nothing more than your own partisan politics, and all you can do with your sad existence is shit these politics all over a website, trying to show everyone "the truth." You have a mental condition. You need to see a doctor. Are you also short? Does that have anything to do with it? Short man complex makes some of the worst neo-con trash around.

    Posted by PONTIFICUS 10/23/2007 @ 7:19pm

    Oh please monkey boy. Every time I come here, I see you and a handful of other kooks running around here, attempting to stir up shit, and failing miserably I might add, except amongst the crazies who are willing to enable your crazy shit.

    Look at the sheer amount of time somebody such as yourself spends on these blogs, spewing the rhetoric you have been force fed. Hell even YOU, who compared to some of these people don't spend that much time here have a ratio of what, 18:1 on me? This is what your life is? This is what you have to offer? Get a job. Get a girlfriend. Get SOMETHING. Stamp collecting for god's sake. Something to make you happy enough to not have to spend your time lying to yourself.

    Posted by madlib at 10/23/2007 @ 7:32pm

88. That kind of admission would require a fully functional cerebrum and.... a soul

    Posted by Will C. at 10/23/2007 @ 7:33pm

89. Posted by WILL C. 10/23/2007 @ 7:31pm

    No not in the least. As long as they are reminded on a consistent basis of how insubstantial they are, and how downright stupid and morally inept they are.

    And don't confuse what I'm saying here. I extend the same sympathies to the "liberals" here and everywhere who continue to do the exact same thing Pontificus is doing.

    Posted by madlib at 10/23/2007 @ 7:34pm

90. Not to mention that there is an inference that Toensing's law is correct in the first place.

    Sadly that doesn't even enter the debate at such a base and stupid level as this.

    How many laws in this country are wrong and fucked up? How much misery have some of these laws caused?

    Pontificus is the same type of ass clown who would have had an innate problem with ending racism had he been alive 140 years ago.

    Posted by madlib at 10/23/2007 @ 7:37pm

91. not racism, slavery. Although it's sorta the same thing eh?

    Sorry I was frothing. Got my words mixed up.

    Posted by madlib at 10/23/2007 @ 7:38pm

92. Posted by MADLIB 10/23/2007 @ 7:32pm

    This is about the law, like you stated, which was interpreted by the people it SHOULD be interpreted by. Not Karl Rove, and not Dick Cheney, and certainly not yourself. I'm speaking of the DoJ, and the CIA, ad nauseum. Lawyers and professionals of this trade.

    Well, if it's about the law, then you don't have a leg to stand on, because the law has just determined that there is nothing prosecutable here. Right? Or are you saying that your opinions trump that?

    And I'm just curious. Is it even possible for anyone who disagrees with your to be right? Are there only two possible sides to this issue: those who agree with you, and those who are stupid morons?

    Posted by pontificus at 10/23/2007 @ 7:39pm

93. No no. People that disagree with me aren't stupid morons. They just disagree with me.

    YOU however, are a stupid moron. A stupid fucking moron.

    Posted by madlib at 10/23/2007 @ 7:40pm

94. Oh, and a waste of life, and natural resources.

    That's okay though. I can accept you for that. I just wish you and people like you would stop fucking up the works, so that when I AM 40, people like myself don't have to spend all our time cleaning up after disasters left by the period of time this country decided it would give up its rights and values to a bunch of crazed religious zealots and fear mongers.

    Posted by madlib at 10/23/2007 @ 7:43pm

95. And don't confuse what I'm saying here. I extend the same sympathies to the "liberals" here and everywhere who continue to do the exact same thing Pontificus is doing.

    Posted by MADLIB 10/23/2007 @ 7:34pm

    What's really funny is that scootificus thinks he's a stupid moron only because he disagrees with you

    Posted by Will C. at 10/23/2007 @ 7:43pm

96. Posted by MADLIB 10/23/2007 @ 7:34pm

    No not in the least. As long as they are reminded on a consistent basis of how insubstantial they are, and how downright stupid and morally inept they are.

    Yeah, your constant stream of insults is what really shows me that you have thoroughly thought through your position, and thus wins me over completely.

    Posted by pontificus at 10/23/2007 @ 7:45pm

97. Posted by MADLIB 10/23/2007 @ 7:40pm

    YOU however, are a stupid moron. A stupid fucking moron.

    Excellent point. You really are quite an intelligent fellow.

    Posted by pontificus at 10/23/2007 @ 7:47pm

98. I think it was the italics that clinched it.

    Posted by pontificus at 10/23/2007 @ 7:48pm

99. Yeah, your constant stream of insults is what really shows me that you have thoroughly thought through your position, and thus wins me over completely.

    Posted by PONTIFICUS 10/23/2007 @ 7:45pm

    neato... all we have to do is insult you and you learn

    Posted by Will C. at 10/23/2007 @ 7:48pm

100. Excellent point. You really are quite an intelligent fellow.

     Posted by PONTIFICUS 10/23/2007 @ 7:47pm

     wow! it really does work

     Posted by Will C. at 10/23/2007 @ 7:49pm

101. decided it would give up its rights and values to a bunch of crazed religious zealots and fear mongers.

     Posted by MADLIB 10/23/2007 @ 7:43pm

     Exactly what rights and values have you been forced to give up?? (I feel the answer is going to be VERY vague and general)

     Posted by Sliver at 10/23/2007 @ 7:58pm

102. I know! That was pretty sweet. I've never tried that before.

     Don't worry ponti. I've been actual friends before with stupid fucking morons. It's not that you're bad people. You're just stupid fucking morons.

     And don't confuse yourself tiger. I have no real interest in changing your mind, or winning you over.

     Posted by madlib at 10/23/2007 @ 7:58pm

103. Posted by MADLIB 10/23/2007 @ 7:40pm

     No no. People that disagree with me aren't stupid morons. They just disagree with me.

     So, reasonable people can disagree with you on this issue? And how are such disagreements among reasonable people resolved in our legal system, do you think?

     Posted by pontificus at 10/23/2007 @ 8:01pm

104. Posted by SLIVER 10/23/2007 @ 7:58pm

     Oh, values of honesty and integrity? Not bullying the world into putting more money in our pockets? Although I wasn't alive 100 years ago. I understand we've been doing things that way for quite a while.

     Okay, okay. I'll change it. Does that make it better in some way?

     We decided to give up our pursuit of rights and values to religious zealots and fear mongers. Nobody's perfect right?

     How about the right of not having my tax dollars pay for murder and torture? That seems like a pretty solid right to have.

     Now honestly do you want to even hear the litany? Tell me, what can I say to you that you #1) haven't heard before and #2) would make you agree with me? This is an old game, played hundreds of times by the denizens of these blogs.

     By the way, I'm really loving this italics thing.

     Posted by madlib at 10/23/2007 @ 8:07pm

105. Posted by MADLIB 10/23/2007 @ 8:07pm

     Oh, values of honesty and integrity? Not bullying the world into putting more money in our pockets? Although I wasn't alive 100 years ago. I understand we've been doing things that way for quite a while.

     Uh huh. Is that what they taught you in the school your parents are paying for? Figures.

     Posted by pontificus at 10/23/2007 @ 8:10pm

106. Exactly what rights and values have you been forced to give up?? (I feel the answer is going to be VERY vague and general)

     Posted by SLIVER 10/23/2007 @ 7:58pm

     the right: being spied on without a warrant

     The values: justice, domestic tranquility, the common defense, the general welfare... securing the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity

     Posted by Will C. at 10/23/2007 @ 8:14pm

107. So, reasonable people can disagree with you on this issue? And how are such disagreements among reasonable people resolved in our legal system, do you think?

     Posted by PONTIFICUS 10/23/2007 @ 8:01pm

     you mean like... OJ?

     Posted by Will C. at 10/23/2007 @ 8:15pm

108. Posted by PONTIFICUS 10/23/2007 @ 8:01pm

     And you ask this question, while knowing the answer. And then I'm supposed to respond, doesn't really matter which way, and you're supposed to come up with something really witty and wise, and you'll go eat your can of cold chef-boyardee while weeping alone in your recliner, feeling at least partly accomplished with you spent your day.

     Now, seriously, you don't have to waste your time posting the follow up with your "gotcha." I already know how you've gotten me. At least, in your mind. See, I'm a poker player, I know how to read tool bags. Even over the internet.

     Like I said before, we shall not go into whether the law is wrong or not. I honestly think that is too advanced a topic, with this website as a microcosm of the rest of the country. This country is seemingly too immature to discuss grey areas. Everything is hyperbole.

     Don't pay any attention to me. I'll be away from internet access in no time at all. I promise to think of you from time to time, so I can keep in mind, exactly what I don't want from life. Not that it will matter in 20 years, when all the telecommunications companies make it so this situation isn't even available, while we sit on our hands and give up the last bastion for saying whatever the hell it is you want to say.

     Posted by madlib at 10/23/2007 @ 8:16pm

109. Uh huh. Is that what they taught you in the school your parents are paying for? Figures.

     Posted by PONTIFICUS 10/23/2007 @ 8:10pm

     ah, the hamster who decries insults implies madlib is a child. How hamsterish

     Ha Ha Ha Ha

     Posted by Will C. at 10/23/2007 @ 8:17pm

110. Posted by PONTIFICUS 10/23/2007 @ 8:10pm

     Ouch. Wrong again!

     I've been on my own since I was 18 little man. Haven't spent a day in college actually. Never felt the need to have some asshole filling my head with other people's thoughts.

     Just about the only thing you can't accuse me of, is having anything GIVEN to me.

     But go ahead though. You have no reason to believe me. Keep blaming them therre liberal colleges for putting all these "crazy" ideas into people's heads. I bet it feels pretty good.

     Posted by madlib at 10/23/2007 @ 8:18pm

111. Posted by WILL C. 10/23/2007 @ 8:15pm

     Or like...any failing by the justice system EVER?

     Posted by madlib at 10/23/2007 @ 8:21pm

112. Posted by MADLIB 10/23/2007 @ 8:16pm

     Like I said before, we shall not go into whether the law is wrong or not. I honestly think that is too advanced a topic, with this website as a microcosm of the rest of the country. This country is seemingly too immature to discuss grey areas. Everything is hyperbole.

     Well, previously you said that this issue is simply a matter of following the law. Now, you're saying it's the law that might me wrong, so I guess we're not following the law anymore, at least not the way it exists. One of us sure is confused.

     Not that it will matter in 20 years, when all the telecommunications companies make it so this situation isn't even available, while we sit on our hands and give up the last bastion for saying whatever the hell it is you want to say.

     Okay, see ya later. Good luck with that paranoia thing you got going on there.

     Posted by pontificus at 10/23/2007 @ 8:22pm

113. Or like...any failing by the justice system EVER?

     Posted by MADLIB 10/23/2007 @ 8:21pm

     Scootificus reserves for himself the right to declare others guilty even after a jury declares them not guity.

     we think it's part of that whole strict constructionist bedtime story the hamsters like to tell themselves

     Posted by Will C. at 10/23/2007 @ 8:24pm

114. Okay, see ya later. Good luck with that paranoia thing you got going on there.

     Posted by PONTIFICUS 10/23/2007 @ 8:22pm

     I see you still have that whole scampering thing going for you scootificus.

     It suits you.

     Posted by Will C. at 10/23/2007 @ 8:26pm

115. Is that the same type of paranoia I was exhibiting four and a half years ago when I was claiming the "war on terra" was totally fucked, illegal, and based on nothing but bullshit and lies?

     Paranoia, no. Realism, yes.

     Well, previously you said that this issue is simply a matter of following the law. Now, you're saying it's the law that might me wrong, so I guess we're not following the law anymore, at least not the way it exists. One of us sure is confused

     Posted by PONTIFICUS 10/23/2007 @ 8:22pm

     Oh I agree, it's quite confusing. Because the woman was clearly covert, as described by the law used in prosecuting these fucks.

     Tell me this, if it had been Dick Armitage with his feet over the fire (as he should have had) would you still feel the exact same way?

     On second thought, DON'T tell me. I don't want to hear a lie.

     Posted by madlib at 10/23/2007 @ 8:26pm

116. Better yet, what if it was Dick Armitage outing somebody who was a die hard neo-conservative serving a desk job, because that person had actual physical proof that Iraq was worth invading? Or better yet! Not the agent them self, but their spouse.

     Posted by madlib at 10/23/2007 @ 8:32pm

117. Posted by MADLIB 10/23/2007 @ 8:26pm

     Oh I agree, it's quite confusing. Because the woman was clearly covert, as described by the law used in prosecuting these fucks.

     Clearly covert IN YOUR OPINION, but as you've said, reasonable people can disagree with that opinion. So it's possible you might be wrong? Isn't that something that should be determined in court?

     Tell me this, if it had been Dick Armitage with his feet over the fire (as he should have had) would you still feel the exact same way?

     Frankly, Armitage means nothing to me. Why should I care either way? If he broke the law, let him suffer for it.

     Posted by pontificus at 10/23/2007 @ 8:33pm

118. Clearly covert IN YOUR OPINION, but as you've said, reasonable people can disagree with that opinion. So it's possible you might be wrong? Isn't that something that should be determined in court?

     Posted by PONTIFICUS 10/23/2007 @ 8:33pm

     but it was determined by the CIA scootificus. Boy you're dumb

     Posted by Will C. at 10/23/2007 @ 8:38pm

119. I'd like to continue this but I've got some stuff to do. See ya later.

     Posted by pontificus at 10/23/2007 @ 8:39pm

120. ....like scampering, stuffing a few alfalfa pellets between your cheek and gum...

     Posted by Will C. at 10/23/2007 @ 8:42pm

121. ... and let's not forget the wheel.

     Posted by Will C. at 10/23/2007 @ 8:42pm

122. Posted by WILL C. 10/23/2007 @ 8:38pm

     Shhhhhhhhh! That doesn't have anything to do with this.

     Typical liberal red herring!

     Posted by madlib at 10/23/2007 @ 8:48pm

123. Posted by MADLIB 10/23/2007 @ 8:48pm

     scootificus cracks me up. It's not everyday you find stupidity coupled with a snotty aristocratic personality… in the same person.

     Posted by Will C. at 10/23/2007 @ 8:53pm

124. People like that need a nice bout of worrying about how to pay their bills, due to no fault of their own. To actually see and interact with the results of their imperialism, instead of talking about it on the internet.

     A little perspective is wonderful in these situations.

     Posted by madlib at 10/23/2007 @ 8:58pm