Joe Biden is a passionate man. He does not respond to questions that upset him in bland politicospeak.

That's usually a good thing.

But not always.

The Democratic nominee for vice president might have said a little more than he meant to Wednesday when he responded testily to a New Hampshire voter who said he was glad Biden, rather than Hillary Clinton, was running with Barack Obama this fall.

"Make no mistake about this, Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Let's get that straight," growled Biden. "She's a truly close personal friend and she is qualified to be President of the United States of America, she's easily qualified to be Vice President of the United States of America and quite frankly it might have been a better pick than me."

Ouch.

The truth is that, in this moment of Sarah Palinmania, there is a lot of rethinking going on in Democratic circles. Polls that suggest a close race, and the seeming inability of Democrats to respond effectively to Republican John McCain's selection of a woman running-mate has sparked a good deal of speculation in the Obama camp about whether the presidential candidate might have been smarter to slot his chief rival for the Democratic nod as the vice presidential nominee.

Frankly, it does not help that Biden has put the speculation into words.

Comments (43)

1. No, Kathleen Sebelius would have been a much better pick than Biden OR Hillary because she is able to attract women without turning off a whole lot of folks like Hillary.

   Posted by Metteyya at 09/10/2008 @ 5:40pm

2. The only reason Biden was being honest about this situation is because we all know there is a HUMONGOUS DOUBLE STANDARD when men campaign against women rather than other men. And that in itself is sexism. Biden was saying that if Hillary were to be on the ticket they couldn't abuse "sexism" as a cover for inequity. It's sad that she can't play like one of the boys. She hits and runs back to her hole screaming "oh no don't touch me". HILLARY NEEDS TO KNOCK THIS WOMAN OUT! AFTER ALL HILLARY WILL BE THE FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT IN 2016. Wait and watch.

   Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/10/2008 @ 5:58pm

3. Biden was standing up for a friend... and this is the loyal kind of person we want leading our country. What Clinton doesn't lack in 'qualifications' she makes up for with 'family ties'... and a sense of entitlement.

   Second thoughts?...

   Nope. It's full speed ahead... as Palin's 'bump' is already diminishing.

   We're tired of the hot air... because you can't fix anything with bellowing curses and ad hominem smears... and these types of reflexive negativities ARE the downward spiral...

   Reaching across the aisle does not mean that you have lost your 'edge'... It shows that you have regained your courage and found enough strength in your principles to explain them clearly.

   Posted by ttr at 09/10/2008 @ 6:03pm

4. Hey libshitbrains, people like you make the rest of us think you should have to pass a test on issues...or reality, before being allowed to vote.

   Congratulations libshitbrains, you represent MCPAIN people very well.

   Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/10/2008 @ 6:04pm

5. Under-educated people like libshitbrains gave us 8 years of Bush because they thought they'd have a beer with him. How'd that work out?

   Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/10/2008 @ 6:06pm

6. "Under-educated people like libshitbrains gave us 8 years of Bush because they thought they'd have a beer with him. How'd that work out?"

   Without even getting into smaller issues like Iraq and the economy, it sucked. At least under the non-Chinese public eye, the dude's dry. Shit, the bastard even stole my beer money and probably gave it to Pete Coors or some other purveyor of water.

   Posted by onthehelm at 09/10/2008 @ 6:14pm

7. "GOD BLESS AMERICA"

   Posted by libshitbrains at 09/10/2008 @ 6:14pm | ignore this person

   Except for "ZEBRA BOY"'s tough right.

   "Jane you ignorant slut!"

   Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/10/2008 @ 6:31pm

8. CanwequestionPalin reminds me a lot of Will C (for those who have blogged here more than a year).

   Same immature, compulsive, frat boy smarminess. I'm sure Obama is excited about having this kind of mental case supporting him.

   Posted by lvliberty1 at 09/10/2008 @ 6:47pm

9. well the pubs had the advantage of going last and seeing what the dems were doing.

   if obama had picked clinton who is to say mccain would have picked palin?

   nonetheless biden should watch his words.

   Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 6:53pm

10. Relity gets lost sometimes.

    MCCAIN VIDS ON YOUTUBE ARE HILARIOUS BECAUSE THEY ARE HIS OWN MOUTH AND NOT TRUMPED UP BULLSHIT!!!!

    McCain was for Abortion before he was against it...

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/video John-McCain:-Reformed-Maverick

    This is one of my favorite examples of McCain on women's rights.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuseewBhzj0

    And on rape victims, and Chelsea, killing Iranians, the fun never stops...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPnfnB7fRek

    People who love America please watch…if you dare.

    Thank you.

    Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/10/2008 @ 7:24pm

11. lvliberty-Libssh-tbrains,barry25 and all of his other ids is a McCain supporter.Nuff said.

    Posted by i'm nobody at 09/10/2008 @ 7:44pm

12. LOOK HOW ALL THE TRAITOROUS LIBZ ARE WETTING THIER PANTIES BECAUSE THIER MESSIAH ZEBRA BOY IS DROPPING LIKE A ROCK....THE STUPID FUCKER WILL EVEN SAY MORE ABOUT LIPSTICK AND PIGS TONIGHT ON LETTERMAN....

    Its so sad to see what america has come too... so much for free speech...

    You can only love people like you...you don't know any better

    Posted by ianb242 at 09/10/2008 @ 7:47pm

13. Boy, talk about "FRANKGRITS bait"...

    this article is it!

    FG predicted that "Bill and Obama would meet this week to get Biden off the ticket and Hillary on".

    Of course it's insane FG prognostication...

    but he'll take an article like this and RUN with it!

    LOL

    Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 7:51pm

14. Here we go again. The same old democratic Party. easily freaked, without clear ideology, purpose, discipline, or unity. If the Democrats cannot come up with a believable response to dropping real wages, job losses, increases in home foreclosures, bankruptcies, overpriced inadequate healthcare, education, and pensions, a financial crisis greater than anything since the thirties, and an international policy that has the US overextended and stuck in never ending war, if all this isn't enough and Democrats cannot come up with a viable alternative and convince they can govern, then what will?

    Sarah Palin isn't the problem, Democrat complacency, irresponsibility and gutlessness is. McCain did what he needed to do and if his campaign gets away with it is because Democrats don't know what they need to do.

    Charlie M

    Posted by cmsandia at 09/10/2008 @ 8:13pm

15. by SoHAPPY at 09/10/2008 @ 8:14pm...

    -This thread should be the most active...but it's NOT! The thought of this is pretty terrifying to your side....-

    The Dems aren't rising to the bait, because Palin was a flash in the pan effort... to distract voters from the issues. It worked for a week... but we're back to TES (the economy, stupid), the wars, and the quality of life here in America... where seven and eight digit incomes are investing elsewhere... and the middle class is under siege.

    Even if Palin addresses these issues... McCain will be likely to trump her concerns with 'more of the same'.

    Obama's plans make sense... unless you don't read them...

    Posted by ttr at 09/10/2008 @ 8:57pm

16. Posted by SoHAPPY at 09/10/2008 @ 8:14pm

    HAPP, thought you had me on Ignore??!?!?!?

    "Punishment" over?....LOL

    BTW, maybe as a Palin fan you can answer this...

    what is the timeline for her "opposition" to the "Bridge to Nowhere"...at what point did she stop supporting it before she opposed it?

    Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 9:00pm

17. On Monday of this week, after hearing the news that Obama had scheduled a long meeting in NY tomorrow with Bill Clinton, I offered a bet at work that Obama would be putting Hillary on his ticket. I even said it would happen before the end of this week (to include Saturday).

    I had two takers. Next week, I expect to collect one dollar, and a cajun seafood lunch. Both takers told me they could never vote for Obama if he did that, BTW (I didn't regard that as part of the wager, however).

    Tomorrow, Biden will make another gaffe, and this one will be a doozy. It will be calculated to consume the news cycle Palin's interview would otherwise have owned.

    Friday or Saturday, the swap will be announced, totally grabbing the spotlight and burning up every spotlight.

    This is my testimony. Seeya next week.

    Posted by man00ver at 09/10/2008 @ 9:42pm

18. Nobody much cares.....she opposed it and the Bridge is not there!----Posted by SoHAPPY at 09/10/2008 @ 9:21pm

    "Nobody cares"!?!?!?! Isn't her opposition to such earmarks a CORNERSTONE of her "reform" image?

    Isn't the "Bridge to Nowhere" SPECIFICALLY thrown out by her, McCain, and you Republicans as showing how she "opposed pork barrel spending"?!?!??!

    So....WHAT IS THE TIMELINE for her opposition to it? Was there....oh....maybe...a point where she SUPPORTED it? And when CONGRESS was ending it as a project....was Palin still supporting it?

    Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 9:43pm

19. by SoHAPPY at 09/10/2008 @ 9:05pm...

    My side? Hmmm...

    Are you sure you want to draw that line in the sand?

    Obama 'listens' to my side... and advocates for us...

    We are Americans... and it's time we all got a 'fair shake'... through the patriotic investments inspired by intelligent governance. You know... where the 'invisible hand' holds the carrot...

    State capitalism... we're in it up to our waists anyway... can and should be run as a win - win for everyone...

    Pure greed is a most unsettling and fraudulent economic 'system'... it merely gives a 'boost' to those who need it least...

    A level playing field is an anomaly in nature...

    Posted by ttr at 09/10/2008 @ 9:47pm

20. Posted by ttr at 09/10/2008 @ 9:47pm |

    HAPP one of the apparatchiks in the New Order....he LIKES it!

    Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 9:53pm

21. by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 9:53pm...

    And the band played on...

    Posted by ttr at 09/10/2008 @ 10:10pm

22. You're just wondering if that community organizer language is all Obama's capable of? Of course, he used this smear and bad words sucessfully against Hillary. But you doubt that's stateman language.

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    Roger Stone: 'Obama Hurt Himself Very Badly' Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:37 PM

    By: Ashley Martella

    Veteran political consultant Roger Stone believes that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama shot himself in the foot with his remarks that Republican rival John McCain's campaign angrily charged he served up a low blow against McCain's running mate Sarah Palin.

    "He ought to know by now that when a presidential candidate says anything at all, it's around the globe in seconds, thanks to the Internet," he tells Newsmax TV.

    Posted by HelenDAO at 09/10/2008 @ 10:23pm

23. by HelenDAO at 09/10/2008 @ 10:23pm...

    From Wiki...

    Roger Stone is an American political consultant [1] and lobbyist who specializes in opposition research for the Republican National Committee in the United States.[2] In 1990, The New York Times described him as a "renowned infighter" [3] and during the 2004 United States Presidential Campaign, CBS News described Stone as a "veteran Republican strategist" [4].

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_pre view.asp?idArticle=14278&R=1163A318CF

    He's just doing his job.

    Posted by ttr at 09/10/2008 @ 10:39pm

24. by SoHAPPY at 09/10/2008 @ 10:37pm...

    The only point you've successfully made in this post is that you will repeat anything you hear on 'right wing' radio... to further a cause that is all about bigotry and false premise suppositions.

    Is the "state of the nation" today acceptable to you?

    Yes... or no?

    Beyond the present candidates... what do you want for America? and... do you believe that a thriving middle class is indicative of a vibrant and healthy economy?

    Posted by ttr at 09/10/2008 @ 10:52pm

25. Well, in this case Obama is worse than the wolf that eats human.

    -----------

    McCain: The Wolves Are Out Against Palin By Kate Phillips Forget how worn that "lipstick on a pig" talk is getting at this point. Let's, uh, put a little gloss on that for a second, even though the liberal blogosphere and others have been awash in media-bashing today for anyone even writing about Senator Barack Obama's comments that the McCain campaign is putting "lipstick on a pig." He contended that it was all about the McCain-Palin ticket representing no change.

    Posted by HelenDAO at 09/10/2008 @ 11:34pm

26. It's in the order of things that men vote man, women vote woman, whites vote white, blacks vote blaks, latinos vote latino. Now no woman would trust Dems because the low way Obama used against Hillary.

    ----------

    Sarah Palin's presence - coupled with Clinton's absence - may be altering one of the great verities of American politics: that women voters overwhelmingly favor Democrats.

    A Washington Post-ABC News poll released this week showed white women swinging hard against the Democratic ticket. Obama left Denver with an 8-point lead among white women; by the time John McCain pulled out of St. Paul, Minn., with Palin at his side, he had taken a 12-point lead.

    Posted by HelenDAO at 09/10/2008 @ 11:49pm

27. It looks like John Nichols took an offhand remark, maybe even a wisecrack and created a topic for a useless article. Go find some real news. To the majority of commenters, which seem to be knee-jerk republicans, you are well informed but you are on the wrong site. Go hit up the fox news site. Their comments need help. Has anyone seen that nonsense lately? You can just feel the rage in the misspellings and their keystrokes. Theyre not all there and you guys may increase the IQ.

    Posted by Chongo at 09/10/2008 @ 11:53pm

28. by SoHAPPY at 09/10/2008 @ @ 10:56pm and 11:01pm...

    The government's side... Private enterprise's side... talk radio's side...

    And who, may I ask... is on the side of hard working Americans?

    -Without some level of GOOD greed, there simply will not be human progress....-

    This is debatable... 'good greed' soon turns to bad greed... given a generation or two... and a sufficient appetite (or is it addiction) to easy money.

    -IF you cut back Gov. & its arbitrary taking, much of the private "greed" gained via lobbying or tax-avoidance, will be gone as well!-

    Old school nonsense... If you take away the checks and balances... if you 'encourage' gilded age economic consolidation... if you advertise a wanton disrespect for the public trust... if you watch (and profit from) the steady economic repudiation of the middle class... and do nothing to stop or check these things...

    I'd say you have a formidable laissez faire problem on your hands... and social upheaval is sure to follow. A no win situation... the surety of economic dependency on other nations.

    -Rush & Hannity will have a field day with what Biden said...-

    Let 'em talk... they are going to have a lot to say about the next 8 years of Obama... We're just now learning to turn them off.

    -reactionary.....and definitely sounding panicky!-

    Oh I don't think so at all... many Libs are so repulsed by Palin that they are simply too shocked and amazed that McCain would choose her... to write clearly.

    -drum up...that somehow, I'm a ditto head.-

    Hey... I never listen to that blustery bravado... but its also obvious at every new news blip... what their sorry rancor is going to be... just go back to what the bullies on the third grade playground would have done, and said... and... lo and behold... there it is...

    Posted by ttr at 09/10/2008 @ 11:57pm

29. I was watching Obama on Letterman. Anyway, yeah I look at Drudge. Thats not anything close to a news site I hope you know. Its further out than this one, just going the other way. Don't live in such a bubble. Happy, whats Blockinh the path to 9/11 all about, are you familiar with this? That IS news to me.

    Posted by Chongo at 09/11/2008 @ 12:03am

30. Godd news is the French like Obama. Bad news is the French always want bad things for America.

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    Barack Obama, the French American idol AFP 09/09/2008 If anyone needed proof of France's love for Barack Obama, le Figaro offered it today with an opinion poll. This finds that 80 percent of the French want the Democrat candidate to win the US presidency while only eight percent favour John McCain.

    The poll was carried out by TNS Sofres on September 2 and 3, before McCain benefited from the Sarah Palin bounce but it gives an idea of the overwhelming wish in France to see a President Obama take office. Eighty-six percent have a good opinion of him compared with only 35 percent for McCain.

    Posted by HelenDAO at 09/11/2008 @ 12:06am

31. Of course Clinton would have been the best choice for VP! She would have been perfect! She would have infused some excitement in this utterly boring Democratic campaign (rivaling the Kerry/Edwards fiasco)! Too much was at stake for this country for him *not* to pick her!

    I had hoped that Obama's backers were right and he was something new, but no! He can't take sharing the limelight, that's clear . . . and I hope we all don't have to pay for his immaturity! This is one of his many bad campaign decisions that he (and we) should be very sorry for, already! It may cost us the election!

    Posted by mtcove at 09/11/2008 @ 08:39am

32. Biden is way too modest and also incorrect about the opportunity. The Democrats actually took advantage of a GREAT opportunity by getting rid of Clinton. I'm feeling much more comfortable about voting Democrat again now that elitists like the Clintons, and Gore and H Dean are being driven out of the picture in favor of the Obama's of the world. We may have to deal with her once more in '16 (maybe '12 if the Repubs win this time) but hopefully by then the political climate will have changed enough to render her irrelevant. One can only hope.

    Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 09/11/2008 @ 08:57am

33. "So....WHAT IS THE TIMELINE for her opposition to it? Was there....oh....maybe...a point where she SUPPORTED it? And when CONGRESS was ending it as a project....was Palin still supporting it?"----Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 9:43pm

    "Let me take another tack......"----Posted by SoHAPPY at 09/10/2008 @ 10:37pm

    Translation-

    "Let me change the subject, because if I actually answer that question, it'll prove most embarassing"

    LOL

    Posted by Maskdelta at 09/11/2008 @ 09:04am

34. EVERYONE NEEDS TO CALM DOWN .. OBAMA NEEDS TO MAN UP AND QUIT BEING A SISSY AND HANDLE MCCAIN .. MCCAIN IS NOTHING BUT A OLD GEISER WHO NEEDS TO BE PUT IN HIS PLACE .. HE HAS THE WHOLE BUSH POLITICAL STAFF WORKING ON HIS CAMPAIGN NOW AND THEY ARE HARDCORE REPUBLICANS THAT WILL DO ANYTHING TO WIN BUT KNOW THEY HAVE NOTHING TO RUN ON BUT INSULTS AND LIES. MCCAIN ONLY WANTS TO BE THE PRESIDENT SO HE CAN MAKE HISTORY .. HE HAS NO INTEREST IN MAKING AMERICAN LIVES BETTER .. HE IS POWER HUNGRY .. I MEAN COME ON WHY WOULD HE BE RUNNING AGAIN AFTER 8 YEARS .. MOVE ON ..HE USES HIS MILITARY SERVICE AS A CRUTCH .. AS IF NO OTHER PERSON IN THE MILITARY HAS EVER BEEN CAPTURED AND HELD. THIS DOSEN'T QUALIFY HIM FOR WAR .. IN FACT IF IT DOES ANYTHING IT QUESTIONS HIS MENTAL CAPABILITIES OF HANDLING SITUATIONS LIKE A WAR.. MANY MILITARY MEN COME BACK MENTALLY DAMAGED. HE SEEMS TO HAVE REALLY BEEN DAMAGED .. HE'S VERY TEMPERMENTAL AND IS A WAR MONGER.. I NEVER THOUGHT BIDEN WOULD BE A GOOD PICK BECAUSE HE VOTED FOR THE WAR .. I THOUGHT THAT TIM KAINE OR JIM WEBB BOTH OF VIRGINIA WOULD'VE BEEN A MUCH BETTER CHOICE .. BIDEN SEEMS LOST ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL .. NOTHING FRESH OR EXCITING ABOUT HIS SPEECHES .. I AM DUMBFOUNDED STILL WHY OBAMA CHOSE HIM .. LOOK LET'S BE HONEST .. THIS WHOLE THING WITH SARA PALIN AND MCCAIN AND THE ENERGIZED REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OBAMA BEING DOWN IN THE POLLS BUT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HIM BEING BLACK .. AMERICA IS VERY RACIST AND IT'S ABOUT TIME WE ADMIT IT. LOOKS LIKE ANOTHER REPUBLICAN FOR ANOTHER TERM. UNTIL WE EDUCATE THE WHITE TRASH IN THIS COUNTRY AND BREAK THE CYCLE IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN FOR AMERICA. THE KEY IS MAKING ALOT MORE MONEY AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY TO GO TO COLLEGE.

    Posted by dschinz at 09/11/2008 @ 09:37am

35. CORRECTION .. I MEANT TO SAY THIS DOESN'T QUALIFY MCCAIN FOR PRESIDENT JUST BECAUSE HE WAS A POW ..

    Posted by dschinz at 09/11/2008 @ 09:42am

36. Oh Ye Democratic and Progressive Handwringers. Just so worried the black guy may have made the wrong decision eh? Can't stop trying to tell him how to run his campaign. Moan. Worry. Moan. Suggestion. Suggestion. Suggestion. You'd think Sarah Palin was a Sith Lord. Look, HRC is not on the Obama ticket because of the way she (and Mark Penn) run her campaign. Her scorched Earth tactics, the race-baiting, the experience bashing, the whole kitchen-sink desperation tactics--all of this sealed her fate. Were Obama to have taken her, he'd only look weak, demoralize much of his base, and be caught in uneasy photo-ops with Bill lurking in the background. And I'm sure the same moaners and handwringers would be lamenting about his need to have picked a strong white male with bonded teeth who is a hawk-Democrat...because HRC doesn't have experience, half the country won't vote for her, blah, blah blah. So give it a rest people. The only person responsible for Hillary not being on the ticket, is, sadly, herself. I would have voted for Hillary, even with all my reservations, but the HRC bus is parked up until 2016. Go polish it up if you're that worked up about it.

    And you of the ALL CAPS...please, lets use our inside voice.

    Posted by sincere1906 at 09/11/2008 @ 10:07am

37. Posted by sincere1906 at 09/11/2008 @ 10:07am

    Actually, the theory by the PUMA/FRANKGRITS types is that "If McCain wins this year, he won't run in '12 or will be sooooo un-popular in '12, that Hillary can come back and win it easily".

    This presupposes that she can still come back....that she and her followers don't get blamed for Obama losing....and that McCain doesn't turn Palin into an "Al Gore" type Veep and she seems "ready" in 2012 and he steps aside....

    any of which can happen and cost 2012 for Hillary.

    As for 2016, either after two terms of Obama or two of McCain/Palin....no way.

    In 2017, Hillary will be SEVENTY. At 69, she's going to be facing superficial problems (aka age and appearance) as well as MEMORY problems. 2016 will have seen nearly a generation passed since a Clinton was in the White House and memories will have faded of the "Roaring 90s".

    So...2012 is her last and only shot at it. But that's getting more and more dubious the more the PUMA types link her to a potential Obama loss.

    Posted by Maskdelta at 09/11/2008 @ 10:14am

38. Perhaps Republicans should push for a KBT (KEEP BIDEN TALKING)plan of their own, as he apparently told a paraplegic to "stand up" during his meeting. It was a mistake of course, a congratulatory comment to the man gone wrong, but in this vicious race, where the nonsensical overshadows the important, it won't stop the other side from making an issue of it.

    chip

    Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 09/11/2008 @ 11:53am

39. Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 09/11/2008 @ 11:53am

    Biden's been through a national campaign or two...and isn't a novice and has been on many an interview show, nor is he on the far edge of the political spectrum.

    Given that, who's likely to screw up more if they "keep talking"....him or Palin?

    Posted by Maskdelta at 09/11/2008 @ 12:11pm

40. happy,

    why would you want to elect such an asshole?

    oh yeah,

    a question no one will answer:

    "if you put lipstick on a cunt,

    does that make it a trollop?"

    Posted by frosty zoom at 09/11/2008 @ 1:11pm

41. Biden is a jackass, always has been, always will be. The pick shows that Obama's handlers are cowards. Just because Russia and Georgia have a short term conflict, the party has to be saddled with another dead european white male racist and sexist as hell? And the big brains who made this pick have betrayed all the people who rallied to Obama because he said he'd stop the war. so we hold our noses as one of the biggest warmongers is put on the ticket? And Obama too is drifting into goldwater territory with his war criminal cowboy rhetoric on Afghanistan and his praise of the "surge" in an interview that should have never taken place with bill o'fucker? That brings up another topic, namely why the hell has O legitimized the likes of the o'fucker? Remember when Democrats despite lots of reactionary ideas actually were bold and honest enough to denounce and avoid fucks news? What happened to those Democrats anyway? Why are you feeding the flames that will burn down the hopes of the oppressed in this rotten country? Now mcinsane's alaskanazi has stolen the momentum and in a year like this when any Democrat dead or alive should be able to walk to victory after 8 years of war crimes and suppression of all opposition to the rethug warmachine/totalitarian big brother and the complete impoverishment of the us? What the hell is happening to Democrats, to progressives especially, and to the us? The shits been hitting the fan and the Dems can't bring progressive revolution? No surprise really from those cowards/doublecrossers. Are they just going to be content with licking the shit off the fan blades? Why should we of true leftist spirit even bother to vote for the "lesser of 2 evils"? Are we that gullible? Hell no. And a lot of us are goddamn sick, goddam sick of it

    Posted by AvantiOpopolo at 09/11/2008 @ 2:42pm

42. Posted by Metteyya at 09/10/2008 @ 5:40pm

    No, Kathleen Sebelius would have been a much better pick than Biden OR Hillary....

    Ideologically I agree, but politically it would have been suicidal. Can you imagine the cry of disrespect that would have overwhelmed the news cycle not only through the Denver DNC, but to this day and through to November? McCain would not need to run one ad on TV.

    Posted by Next Door at 09/13/2008 @ 4:37pm

43. NAH. Hillary would have been a nightmare situation. Can you imagine one pathological liar debating another pathological liar? We need time to forget Hillary's sniper fire thing. Plus Hillary has a much better political future staying out of this one. I think old Bubba's words work here, "Everyone needs to chill out, we can win this thing". I also think that there are some polling shenanigan going on. I refuse to believe that the "life begins at conception "ameners" have that much power. Then again we got born again George Bush.

    Posted by lachatte at 09/14/2008 @ 10:10am