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RedditJohn McCain's campaign suggested that Barack Obama was a political pop tart, going so far as to compare the Democratic candidate for president with Paris Hilton.
The latest polls have Obama opening up a lead nationally and in a number of battleground states.
But it's worse than that.
Now, the Republican who would be president finds himself in the unenviable position of being ridiculed -– quite effectively -- by a woman who is commonly referred to as a "celebutard."
"Hey America, I'm Paris Hilton and I'm a celebrity too -- only I'm not from the olden days and I'm not promising change like that other guy. I'm just hot!" begins the spoof-video featuring the blonde socialite reclining poolside in a leopard-print bathing suit.
"But then that wrinkly white-haired guy used me in his campaign ad, which I guess means I'm running for president," she says. "So thanks for the endorsement white-haired dude, and I want America to know I'm, like, totally ready to lead."
To prove the point, Hilton offers an energy plan to rival anything T. Boone Pickens has to offer: "We can do limited offshore drilling with strict environmental oversight while creating tax incentives to get Detroit making hybrid and electric cars. ... Energy crisis solved, I'll see you at the debates, bitches!"
Hilton offers her vice-presidential shortlist -- "I'm thinking Rihanna" – and closes with: "Ill see you at the White House. Oh, and I might paint it pink."
Points to Paris on this one.
But none to McCain's campaign, which actually responded to the video by trying to make a joke about Hilton having a better energy plan than Obama.
Do they really think anyone who watched the video was thinking about environmental oversight or hybrids – instead of laughing at the "wrinkly white-haired guy" line?
UPDATE: See the video below...
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you were watching olberman, weren't ya, nichols?
ah the divine miss hilton! i think she's all grown up now...
i THOUGHT there was a brain under that lovely arrogant ditz act...
never thought i'd say it but...i think i just became a paris hilton fan. brains iz sexy...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 08/05/2008 @ 10:23pm
Posted by frankgrits at 08/05/2008 @ 10:33pm | ignore this person | warn this person
quisling
Posted by ibbleblibble at 08/05/2008 @ 10:34pm
Not too late to cancel this thread and save your self respect John.
Posted by frankgrits at 08/05/2008 @ 10:33pm | ignore this person | warn this person
ironic, considering the source...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 08/05/2008 @ 10:41pm
How about this ad, FRANK?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fvvNU7fBxk
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/05/2008 @ 10:45pm
Not too late to cancel this thread and save your self respect John.---Posted by frankgrits at 08/05/2008 @ 10:33pm
And believe me, Mr Nichols...
FRANK is an expert on losing your self respect!
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/05/2008 @ 10:46pm
I just saw the Paris Hilton add on Olbermann's Countdown. Wow I take it back and apologize for calling Paris an "air head". O.K. O.K. I was wrong and stupid and like Ron White says, "you can't fix stupid".
Posted by julien38 at 08/05/2008 @ 10:49pm
Posted by frankgrits at 08/05/2008 @ 10:53pm
Bullshit, FRANK. As the numerous posts form "that was then, this is now"...you attacked McCain with much fervor...once going so far as to "regretably agreeing with Limbaugh" and saying that McCain was "mentally unbalanced"!
All you care about is...her. Getting 2012, her last shot, open for ...her and using poor ol' Maverick John and RUINING this country for another 4 years in your weird-ass obsession with a female politican who wouldn't likely walk across the street to pee on you if you were on fire.
You want McCain elected...if it means throwing out ALL your previoius stances on the issues and on McCain himself to do it...you will.
But again, it's not about him...it's about your "Annie Wilkes" mentality over Hillary.
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/05/2008 @ 10:57pm
I truly apologize for calling Paris an "air head". That's what happens when one makes judgment based on information gleaned from the media.This gal is really sharp. She really is competitive with T. Boone Pickens. She is most certainly intellectually competitive with McCain.
Posted by julien38 at 08/05/2008 @ 11:00pm
even a closed circuit slinging match between court jesters (FrankGrits and MaskDelta) doesn't waylay the dignity of the nation or its blog, surely. I saw the attack ad (agin McCain) whose URL is posted in this thread, and can see how the tennis match momentum of these things builds.
"attacking a senior citizen" as frankgrits writes is the sort of phrase that does tend to reveal he would actually be a (ex) Clinton staffer... 50s mentality gets the attention it deserves...if McCain could generate some real life Arnie Vinick credibility (West Wing character played by Alan Alda), then he would merit better quality debate and flak from his opponents. As to surviving torture (by VietCong) is certainly heroic, but if it is indicative of "an American hero", then I am sure there would be many more such patriots in future, given the Rumsfeld-Cheney doctrine on redefining torture, against Geneva conventions.
Posted by bazdicoot at 08/05/2008 @ 11:15pm
As the youngsters say McCain dissed Paris, then McCain got served.
What should one do when a candidate indicates his opponent is just as vapid and shallow as you are? A tough old fashioned American girl fights back. Bravo Paris, I take back half the mean things I've said. If you stop saying "That's hot" I may take back the rest of them.
Posted by Pogge at 08/05/2008 @ 11:19pm
Sorry dillweed but my self-respect is intact. I live up to my principles and I don't blow with the wind and stand for nothing like you do.
Posted by frankgrits at 08/05/2008 @ 10:53pm
NEW DAWN, I'm thinking of a ticket with Chuck Hagel at the top and Bernie Sanders of Vermont as VP. Those two can really get the point across that this country is in trouble.
Posted by frankgrits at 01/30/2006 @ 10:50pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/05/2008 @ 11:21pm
Good night, Frank...
You do realize that you posted 12 times to this 'stupid thread'... which at the time of your last posting was 12 out of 17... a whopping 70%...
I am, however, in complete agreement with you.
Really... a Nation article about Paris Hilton? Oh My...
What next... maybe Kermit thee frog's latest video on the air quality at the Olympic games?
Posted by ttr at 08/05/2008 @ 11:38pm
>>>Hey, why don't you moonbats start calling McCain the"wrinkly white-haired guy"...
Posted by 2HAPPY at 08/05/2008 @ 11:09pm<<<
That's a GREAT idea!
The wrinkly white-hair guy is at it again, distorting Obama's effective ad that shows McSame pushing big oil's agenda of more off-shore drilling.
Everyone knows that this oil wouldn't be available for at least 10 years (if found) and will be sold at MARKET PRICES and not at a discount.
The off-shore drilling scheme is all about big oil making more record profits while everyone else suffers!
Posted by Metteyya at 08/05/2008 @ 11:41pm
McCain is no hero; he's a bad joke, and Obama needs to attack him by making fun of him. This was really pretty funny, and I hope it's indicative of what's to come.
Posted by mgirard713 at 08/05/2008 @ 11:50pm
Run this by me again. McCain, war hero?
He finishes 5th from the bottom of his class. Gets preferential treatment because his father and grandfather were very important warriors. Crashed about four planes before getting blown out of the sky while on his way to kill innocent Vietnamese. Saved from drowning (you cannot do the backstroke with a broken arm) and had his ass kicked, before being rescued, a second time, from the ass kickers.
Then he spills his guts and gets special treatment. He could have come home earlier, but since it is first-in first-out, we would have known for sure that he spilled his guts to the Vietcong, earning the title "songbird."
He wasn't tortured, otherwise he wouldn't be for torture now.
Hero my ass.
Patrick
Posted by barrybar at 08/06/2008 @ 12:40am
She is most certainly intellectually competitive with McCain. Posted by julien38 at 08/05/2008 @ 11:00pm |
Not hard to do.
Wait till those debates. McC will get a sympathy bounce from morons all over the place.
BTW: McC was never a captive of the VietCong (South VN insurgent force), but of the North VN army, the military of a sovereign govt.
Posted by sloper at 08/06/2008 @ 01:23am
While Paris' video is amusing, the central message is: "you're right, you're too old to be a celebrity". A generation's repudiation taking care not to directly endorse Obama so her image will not be deteriorated in the right. But other than a publicitary ad it does not have any value.
What is really the context is McCain trying to reduce Obama to a light headed amateur while he portrays himself as a rough and rugged 'General' speaking nuclear, bombing Iran, and getting more enemies than friends.
Obama - and Dems - must stop this. Unmask him for what he really is: a warmonger and economics nonsensical.
Posted by Frank42 at 08/06/2008 @ 01:28am
Hey, John Nichols, this is The Nation. Remember, the reflective journal...
Where is the commentary on the trivialization of political discourse in the US? Where is the analysis of how the virtual world of the media blurs into the arguably real world of the political? Just how virtual is the US political world? Where, fergawdsake, is John Berger or Milton Friedman? What about some reflection? Or have we all wandered so deep into the house of mirrors that we can no longer have any idea at all of what's going on?
Posted by mikecope at 08/06/2008 @ 01:54am
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
(wait I'm not done)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
The term, to update dear Grandpa and a few other folks, is pwned, and oh yeah, he just got a massive case of pwnage laid on him.
Posted by yutsano at 08/06/2008 @ 03:14am
Just a bit of a blog for my puma sisters; those of you who think that McCain is the Man due to Clinton not winning the nomination, I just want to point out a few recent observations.
Now we all know that McCain has call Cindy a c**t before. Shocking though it may be, we have all gotten used to the idea that he has a hot head and is ready to lash out at the drop of a hat!! (Just the quality Republicans like in a POTUS), now we have new evidence of the way he views women. And I want you to think about this in the context of Obama's candidacy, and think about this in the context of Main Street Media double standards.
McCain, and his well funded puppeteers decide to go negative. They need to target Obama's strengths. They need to target Obama's authenticity. So how do they do that? They exploit young women who have had "issues" in the past. Young women that most adult women know have been maligned by the media--yes, even Keith Olbermann--and used in a mocking fashion. Well, with the newsertainmant momentum of our media, it is somewhat understandable. However, for a paternalistic, grandfatherly type presidential candidate to permit the exploitation of young ladies to advance his political agenda, is just plain icky. Yuck. And to hear Lieberman say, "just enjoy it," is even ickier.
Wow. That's the judgment that they are trying to sell us. Wow.
In addition, you put McCain in the middle of a bunch of South Dakotan biker dudes, and how does he decide to connect and relate to them? On gas prices, our jobs going overseas, the reemerging issues of the Iraq war and how they connect with the Vietnam war? No. Our paternalistic, knows what's best for us, grandfather guy wants to offer his wife up (our potential fist lady) for a "COW PIE BEAUTY CONTEST!!" A contest that
Posted by PrairieDeb at 08/06/2008 @ 03:15am
When Paris and Britney are slipped into the polital fray, we know we have reached the bottom.
thanks McCain for being a bottom feeder. I thought this campaign was going to be about issues? McCain knows that he will lose soundly if he runs on issues, so he runs ads with a scary black man superimposed on white chicks, lies about Obamas positions to scare people .... , republican politics 101.... FEAR!!!
Be afraid of those gay people, they will destroy your marriage
Be afraid of the black parolee, he will rape your daughter..
Be afraid of phantom wmd's...
Be afraid of Castro...
Live in fear, vote republican
Posted by crabwalk at 08/06/2008 @ 08:23am
Paris you are so hot !
Call Me ..
Posted by Vvf1969 at 08/06/2008 @ 08:23am
Paris you are so hot ! Call Me .. Posted by Vvf1969 at 08/06/2008 @ 08:23am
Wrap your rascal. Maybe double wrap for Paris.
Posted by crabwalk at 08/06/2008 @ 08:34am
China yanked Joey Cheeks visa.
So much for Chinese "promises".
Lets keep MFN status forever for the worlds largest communist authoritarian regime!! cheap labor trumps all morality of the right.
Posted by crabwalk at 08/06/2008 @ 08:44am
We women are so used to rough and tumble manfolk like McCain using us as a negative comparison that it hardly registers. It's part of our patriarchial Judeo-Christian heritage. Leviticus doesn't rail against homosexuality, it rails against a man demeaning himself by sexually serving another man as a woman would.
I am life long Christian who is blessed with one of those personal relationships with God the right wing is always going on about as if they invented spirituality. My question is, does God have a penis and if so, whatever would it's purpose be. I'm pretty sure John McCain would answer "yes" to the first question and "cause everyone who is really important has one" to the second.
McCain is of the wrong gender, the wrong generation and the wrong mindset to even understand why we would be offended. Hillary supporters-and I will always be one-who vote for him instead of Obama are fools.
Posted by Pogge at 08/06/2008 @ 08:47am
Posted by PrairieDeb at 08/06/2008 @ 03:15am
Deb, it's more than that. That "Miss Buffalo Chip" "pageant" that McCain so gallantly tried to get Cindy to enter...
was described as a TOPLESS "occasionally bottomless" "contest"!
Maybe he needs a new nickname?
"Maverick Pimp"?
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/06/2008 @ 08:58am
'Well, I think there are a whole host of areas where Republicans in some cases may have a better idea' -- Barack Obama -- Quoted in by Richard Kim in The Nation -- 28 April, 2008
'...McCain's campaign, which actually responded to the video by trying to make a joke about the Hilton having a better energy plan than Obama...' -- John Nichols -- The Nation -- 5 August, 2008
Posted by HonestLiberal at 08/06/2008 @ 09:00am
Posted by HonestLiberal at 08/06/2008 @ 09:00am
The Beast at Tanagra!
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/06/2008 @ 09:10am
Posted by Pogge at 08/06/2008 @ 08:47am
appears to be someone with a permanent case of PMS.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/06/2008 @ 09:28am
I'm an ass, still fighting Vietnam, stuck in the 1890's idea of gubment
Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/06/2008 @ 09:28am
Posted by crabwalk at 08/06/2008 @ 09:32am
Luvvy, is that how you minister to your womenfolk, tell them to stop PMS'sing ?
How quaint.
how enlightened.
You go out of your way to prove that you are not a racist, why go out of your way to prove your misogyny?
Posted by crabwalk at 08/06/2008 @ 09:37am
Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/06/2008 @ 09:28am
Pretty telling, huh?
Some woman doesn't ascribe to LVLIB's religious dogma (and DARES to claim to be a Christian too!)...
and he has to insult her.
Who Would Jesus Insult?
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/06/2008 @ 10:00am
Liberty Boy is a minister?
He's half right anyway. It isn't PMS, but it is a fair permanent state of "I'm mad as hell and not going to take it anymore". I was raised not to bruise a man's ego and then I married one that loves to compete with me, win or lose, and would be offended if I gave it less than 100%. Now I have even LESS patience with the whiny guys who can't bear a woman with an opinion or a spine.
Cindy McCain has money, family, social position and still pads around behind her hubby like an over-anxious lap dog. Michelle Obama is brilliant and tough and not afraid to show it. If their wives were running I would still vote Obama.
Posted by Pogge at 08/06/2008 @ 10:20am
Posted by frankgrits at 08/06/2008 @ 10:16am
Well, you ARE the expert on "jokes", FRANK.
But, hey, never know. McCain is willing to pander to whatever audience he's in front of (sometimes contradicting a pander from just the day before).
So really shouldn't be surprised that he'd offer up Cindy naked for a crowd to win some votes, should we?
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/06/2008 @ 10:23am
Posted by Pogge at 08/06/2008 @ 10:20am
To get you upto speed on LVLIB...
His name is Larry Robinson (he revealed that...so no harm, no foul).
He's some kind of free-lance circuit preacher of the evangelical stripe. Right-wing, of course. Chauvinistically pro-Israel (to the point of saying that Israel's fate is more important than America's).
He thinks we should have nuked China ("depots only") to "win" the Korean War. He once said we should "think Dresden" as a means of "winning" the "War on Terror".
He doesn't read television, radio, newspapers or magazines except for entertainment.
He vehemently defends the military...unless like Lt. General Robert Gard, they are "liberals".
He claims to have been some double-nought spy for the Navy during 'Nam.
And despite calling FRANKGRITS a "dangerous idiot" before...they're now best buddies in the War on Obama.
Unless McCain picks Romney as Veep, in which case he refused to put a "Temple Mormon" (nearly the same as Al Qaeda to LL) a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/06/2008 @ 10:32am
Thank you for the explanation. Of course Israel is desperately important-no Israel, no apocalypse.
In my work with the disabled I discovered that the teachings of Jesus are so simple a retarded child can, literally, understand them. Revelations on the other hand is a mish mosh of allegory and metaphor written by a mad man. Why sitting at the right hand of God would make Jesus unable to speak clearly was a mystery to me in the fourth grade and seems just plain silly now.
Posted by Pogge at 08/06/2008 @ 10:49am
appears to be someone with a permanent case of PMS.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/06/2008 @ 09:28am
wow. one of god's creatures on the rag!
i bet the bitch won't want to wash your socks now.
(apologies, pd).
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/06/2008 @ 10:54am
Posted by Pogge at 08/06/2008 @ 10:49am
Well, I'm afraid your understanding of Jesus is probably misguided and due to actually reading what his friends said about him.
Jesus was a laissez-faire capitalist who disapproved of any Government largesse whatsoever. Despite his "Prince of Peace" accolades, he was a firm and committed foreign policy hawk, who knew you had to take the fight to the enemy...carpet bombing, nukes if necessary to win the peace and that negotiations and diplomacy were fools' errands that only led to your own destruction...
and of course the necessity for keeping such a war as cheap and EASY on the voting public as possible to not lose political support...
and that expanding the borders of then-Judea and future-Israel to its Biblically-ordained lines was of paramount importance, to exclusion of any "peace treaty" or any other countries or international security.
Oh and despite the fact that he never personally broached the subjects...he vehemently opposed abortion rights and rights for homosexuals.
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/06/2008 @ 10:57am
oops!
apologies to pogge AND NOW, pd.
oops.
did you know that lvliberty also suffers from PMS? -- prating minister syndrome.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/06/2008 @ 10:59am
So really shouldn't be surprised that he'd offer up Cindy naked for a crowd to win some votes, should we?
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/06/2008 @ 10:23am
i bet he'd even make her flipflop for the crowds.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/06/2008 @ 11:01am
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/06/2008 @ 11:01am
McCain apologists in a bit of a pickle on the Sturgis thing.
As FG tried, they pass it off as "just a joke", but do "family values Republicans" usually "joke" about letting their wives appear NUDE in a "pageant"?
Or was McCain not aware of the "R-rated" aspect of the pageant, in which case, he was just a vapid idiot who was trying to act like he was "connecting" with this audience...when in point of fact, he had no idea what was going on?
So? McCain...pimping panderer or oblivious buffoon?
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/06/2008 @ 11:06am
Mask, it's otay. Liberals like irony, remember :)
However, there is-hand in hand with the loathesome "prosperity christians"-a group of CINOs who believe that when Jesus said love thy enemy and love thy neighbor he was referring only to those who were AT THAT TIME his neighbors and enemies which leaves modern Christians free to bomb everyone who didn't live next door to or personally piss off Mary and Joseph.
These are the sort of people who have had GWBs ear so if John McCain drank that kool-aid God help him. I think I prefer an athiest like Dick Cheney. He knows he is evil and figures since the whole payoff in this life why not be as awful as possible. Far more intellectually honest, though also far creepier.
Posted by Pogge at 08/06/2008 @ 11:09am
I've been to Sturgis. It's fabulous, particularly if like me you live in the state where the Harley was born.
That crowd loves anyone who yells "Harley Rules!" or "Tequila" or "Take it off, mama!". I would have recommended-at the risk of irking the Japanese bike owners-sticking with the lesss inflammatory "Harley Rules" rather than offering to sign the wife up for a clothing optional beauty pageant, but it's his campaign.
The best time imaginable, but no consevative Christians and not a lot of moderate ones would be caught dead there. I mean it's a biker party for heaven sake.
Posted by Pogge at 08/06/2008 @ 11:26am
Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/06/2008 @ 09:28am
Damn, Luv. That was an idiotic statement and uncalled for. Total asshole move. Your actions are not of one that claims to be a follower of Christ. I'll pray for you and your congregation. Geez, man, you make people hate "Christians". Would Christ have made such a sexist remark?
Posted by k330k at 08/06/2008 @ 12:02pm
Posted by Pogge at 08/06/2008 @ 11:26am
Great to be around people who voted for George W. Bush twice. These are the descendants of the largely secular repugs who groomed Ronald Reagan & started the "revolution".
Posted by Sorelish at 08/06/2008 @ 12:04pm
Posted by Pogge at 08/06/2008 @ 11:09am
Well, just keep in mind with LVLIB...
he needs to have a bracelet with "WWJN" on it.
"Who Would Jesus Nuke?"
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/06/2008 @ 12:30pm
Happy you sure do like to spin this stuff in McCain's favor. Everything according to you that happens is in McCain's favor. That's because McCain is behind. There is very little that is in his favor. Like with what happened with Hillary, his attack politics will work for him for a little bit, like it did for Hillary, then it will come back to bite him. All these attacks do is serve to remind us that McCain is much like Bush. Obama hasn't taken to saying it but if he does you will watch McCain's ratings plummet from the sky like his plane. This is same as always Rovian politics and even McCain doesn't want to participate in them. Like I said to Mask. McCain's campaign is at war with itself. He and his old schoolers want to go a different way than some of the people in his campaign are telling him to go.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/06/2008 @ 12:31pm
Posted by Zero at 08/06/2008 @ 12:31pm
I like that he is feigning anger about it now. Yesterday he was complimenting her beauty. Which I also think is gross because I don't think there is anything attractive about her.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/06/2008 @ 12:32pm
When Ronald Reagan's revolution happened I was a poor working single mom. I received $75.00 a month to pay a babysitter, a medical card and ten bucks a month in food stamps.
For this handsome sum I had to listen to men in $300.00 suits tell me I was a welfare "queen". Reagan put a stop to all that. The bar for receiving welfare was set so high that when my son needed to have surgery I had to quit my job to reinstate my medical card.
Now I work for the government, good pay, good insurance and good-bye to all of it if we didn't have a union. If America had universal single payer health care for everyone-not just people like me AND OUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES-I would be back working with disabled people for a quarter of what I make filling out redundant paperwork and pointless reports (many of which deal with HOMELAND SECURITY-be afraid, be very afraid).
A successful revolution changes things for the better. I have yet to see the Republican revolution do anything except raise the national debt and reduce the standard of living for the 98% of us making less than 250K a year.
Posted by Pogge at 08/06/2008 @ 12:37pm
I mean for God's sake Frank gave the almighty compliment of saying she would win the Buffalo Chip contest. Which apparently is the highest compliment of beauty aside from a pat on the ass and a good job.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/06/2008 @ 12:52pm
You don't suppose, your feeding at the Fed's `table', "filling out redundant paperwork and pointless reports", contribute to the national debt? You don't also suppose, your doing what appears to be worthless work while drawing "good pay, good insurance", is a huge symptom of what the f*&^ is wrong with Big Gov't? Posted by 2HAPPY at 08/06/2008 @ 12:48pm
Wait Happy!? I thought all that money the Fed is spending on security is important. Obviously she has a job doing SOMETHING for national security, I mean much of her paperwork has to do with Homeland security. I was under the impression that an inflated military budget was supposed to be the ONLY thing our money is used for.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/06/2008 @ 12:57pm
Win or lose, my side is going to enjoy this a whole shitload more.....Winning in Nov., would be Icing on the Cake!! Posted by 2HAPPY at 08/06/2008 @ 12:55pm
Why are you going to enjoy this more?
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/06/2008 @ 12:58pm
Win or lose, my side is going to enjoy this a whole shitload more.....Winning in Nov., would be Icing on the Cake!! Posted by 2HAPPY at 08/06/2008 @ 12:55pm
Come November your party will have little to no power in Washington.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/06/2008 @ 12:59pm
Well 2Happy, somebody has to do it and I am lucky enough to be very f***** good at it. I was a very good advocate for my disabled clients too, but the program funding for those vulnerable individuals who can't vote or speak for themselves was cut to pay for a war on terror that no one can define much less win.
You bet I will take the government's dime if it means my son can get health care and an education. When was the last time Exxon turned down a government handout? At least I work for my paycheck.
Big oil, the ultimate WelFare Kings.
Posted by Pogge at 08/06/2008 @ 1:04pm
A successful revolution changes things for the better. I have yet to see the Republican revolution do anything except raise the national debt and reduce the standard of living for the 98% of us making less than 250K a year. Posted by Pogge at 08/06/2008 @ 12:37pm
1st off, welcome to this funny little blog.
2nd, do you expect Obama to be revolutionary in his presidency? Will he actually press for Universal Care and a more equitable share of our nations wealth?
Posted by crabwalk at 08/06/2008 @ 1:07pm
hless work while drawing "good pay, good insurance", is a huge symptom of what the f*&^ is wrong with Big Gov't? Posted by 2HAPPY at 08/06/2008 @ 12:48pm
ooohh, the irony just dribbles out of his cakehole.
What worthwhile work do you do again, HAPPY? Sit in the mall filling out proxy statements while your wife does her part for the war effort... by shopping?
It is YOUR president that created the DHS, the TSA and other new bureaucracies. This is all done because you are afraid of terrorists. If she wore a uniform to work you would drool all over her and call her a "hero" for keeping you safe from Saddams drones.
Posted by crabwalk at 08/06/2008 @ 1:12pm
2nd, do you expect Obama to be revolutionary in his presidency? Will he actually press for Universal Care and a more equitable share of our nations wealth?
Geez CrabWalk, I hope so, but it's always a gamble. Mc Cain makes it easy this elevtion because it is so clear he won't.
One thing I like about Obama is he is a very smart man. I just really want a president who is as intelligent as I am. Really, is that too much to hope for?
Posted by Pogge at 08/06/2008 @ 1:14pm
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/06/2008 @ 12:31pm
Earlier in the week, HAPP said he was "glad that McCain is the underdog"...
then Gallup comes out with a poll showing McCain leading and suddenly HAPP is happy that McCain is the front-runner!
LOL
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/06/2008 @ 1:14pm
Do you suspect that just maybe, some of Exxon's investors consider it to be a liquidating concern when it can't get access to known Reserves? ----Posted by 2HAPPY at 08/06/2008 @ 1:01pm
So, Exxon stop is in the toilet that it is (It IS, isn't it?) because they can't drill on the OTHER acreage they (and McCain and Bush and you want)...
so why don't they "boost their stock" and drill on the SIXTY-EIGHT MILLION ACRES they DO have leases for?!?!?!?
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/06/2008 @ 1:18pm
Happy-Trashing the hero worked out quite well for Bush/Rove back in 2000 and the GOP rewarded them for doing so by giving the coward the nomination over the hero.
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/06/2008 @ 1:21pm
There is so much distortion, twisting and ignorance at work here with Mask and Pogge, that it would take a lifetime to straighten out all of their lies and misconceptions.
It is sometimes better to let those who like the darkness such as these to stay where they are more comfortable.
BTW Mask, still don't get tired about lying about me?
"He's some kind of free-lance circuit preacher of the evangelical stripe. Right-wing, of course. Chauvinistically pro-Israel (to the point of saying that Israel's fate is more important than America's)."
Wrong. I am the founder and Sr Pastor of Tabernacle of Hope Ministries (a collection of churches and ministries in the US, Philippines, South Africa, Bahamas, and Mexico) which is an affiliate of All Nations Ministries
"He doesn't read television, radio, newspapers or magazines except for entertainment."
Talk about lying; I have repeated stated that I read a number of international and US newspapers, that I watch and listen primarily to Free Speech TV, Link TV, and Pacifica Radio (KPFK in Los Angeles), I hardly ever watch Fox News or listen to conservative talk radio (ie, Limbaugh or Hannity); I watch documentaries, the History channel, the Travel channel, and some entertainment programming
"And despite calling FRANKGRITS a "dangerous idiot" before...they're now best buddies in the War on Obama."
I doubt that Frank and I will ever be best buddies; but I'm open to being good friends with virtually everyone on this blog.
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/06/2008 @ 10:32am
Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/06/2008 @ 1:32pm
That is one of the wierdest things about John McCain. Rove and Co. savaged him in South Carolina. I really thought McCain would walk away from the GOP when it didn't chstise Bush and become an Independent. That's what a maverick would have done, right? Instead he is getting hugs, kisses and noogies from Bush and cozying up to the Evangelicals who all but called him the anti-Christ. Wha?
BTW I do not work for Homeland Security. It has crept into so many industries and institutions that McDonalds probably fills out suspicious substance/package/persons paperwork. I know our local library was asked to a few years back.
Ta ta, I must go serve the people and that, my friends, I am both proud and happy to do-all the nitwit stuff aside.
Posted by Pogge at 08/06/2008 @ 1:35pm
OK, one last word. I do not lie Mr. Liver. Respect that or prove otherwise. Later
Posted by Pogge at 08/06/2008 @ 1:40pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/06/2008 @ 1:32p
Hey LVL watch out for a show that I am working on for the History Channel. It should start up first quarter of next year.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/06/2008 @ 1:49pm
Posted by 2HAPPY at 08/06/2008 @ 1:01pm
Is it possible that they are losing profits because a lot of people are switching to more efficient cars or choosing not to drive at all? I don't know the percentages of people finding other options I am honestly just curious. I know I am phasing my car out as much as possible even though I live in LA which is very spread out I am riding a bike more often now. I am just wondering how this new boom in hybrids and alternative means of transportation is hitting the oil business.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/06/2008 @ 1:52pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/06/2008 @ 1:32p
Remind me when it gets closer to airing to tell you what it is. I am under contract right now and can't actually talk about what it is about. But once it gets close to airing we will be freer.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/06/2008 @ 1:53pm
>>>I am the founder and Sr Pastor of Tabernacle of Hope Ministries
Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/06/2008 @ 1:32pm<<<
http://www.tabernacleofhope.org/word.html
LVL is Michael D Wilson?
With a name like Tabernacle of Hope, you ought to be an Obama supporter and hopemonger rather than a right-wing Republican fearmonger!
Posted by Metteyya at 08/06/2008 @ 2:04pm
Who Would Jesus Insult? Posted by Maskdelta at 08/06/2008 @ 10:00am
Pharisees. Money changers. Pontius Pilate.
Posted by sloper at 08/06/2008 @ 2:14pm
Posted by Metteyya at 08/06/2008 @ 2:04pm
Uhh. Michael D. Wilson is the Bishop, not the Sr. Pastor.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/06/2008 @ 2:33pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/06/2008 @ 1:32pm
Yeah...kind of figured on a rebuttal...so let's take it point-by-point
1. "He's some kind of free-lance circuit preacher of the evangelical stripe."----- Wrong. I am the founder and Sr Pastor of Tabernacle of Hope Ministries (a collection of churches and ministries in the US, Philippines, South Africa, Bahamas, and Mexico) which is an affiliate of All Nations Ministries
So you're founder of a sub-affiliate of a small Texas based minor ministry run by a guy named Sapp. I stand corrected...heheh. (BTW, no problem with the "chauvinistically pro-Israel" thing?)
2. "He doesn't read television, radio, newspapers or magazines except for entertainment." ----Talk about lying; I have repeated stated that I read a number of international and US newspapers, that I watch and listen primarily to Free Speech TV, Link TV, and Pacifica Radio (KPFK in Los Angeles), I hardly ever watch Fox News or listen to conservative talk radio (ie, Limbaugh or Hannity); I watch documentaries, the History channel, the Travel channel, and some entertainment programming.
Quote- "If you are relying today on media sources like television, radio, newspapers, and magazines for much more than entertainment...you are woefully ignorant. I really don't care what happens to these "information" outlets since they don't inform me."----Posted by LVLIBERTY1 12/13/2007 @ 2:02pm
Note: No caveats in that statement concerning "reading a number of international and US newspapers". If you'd like to REVISE the statement, LL...I'll accept it.
(continued)
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/06/2008 @ 2:34pm
Oh and LVL. I would never provide that much information online if it is true. What you gave me is enough to find out your name. Which is enough to find out your address which is enough to find out your birthday which is enough to find out anything I want about you. Be careful about that.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/06/2008 @ 2:36pm
Also that isn't the right church because LVL is in San Diego not Atlanta.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/06/2008 @ 2:37pm
3. "And despite calling FRANKGRITS a "dangerous idiot" before...they're now best buddies in the War on Obama."----I doubt that Frank and I will ever be best buddies; but I'm open to being good friends with virtually everyone on this blog.
"Bear, Frankgrits and the many other leftists who regurgitate what Michael Moore other radicals voice merely demonstrate they neither know history or current events.
The insurgents and other terrorists in Iraq have no comparison with our Revolutionary War soldiers. Maybe Bear and Frankgrits can provide some examples of how we randomly murdered innocent women and children as these animals do?
Dangerous idiots." ----Posted by lvliberty1 at 04/6/2007
And since you admit to allowing for you and FRANK possibily becoming "good friends"....what "lie" did I tell?
So...you ARE a fairly independent, shall we say "free lance" (given you are founder of your OWN ministry with only an affiliation with another minor ministry)...
you DID say you "aren't informed" by TV, radio, NEWSPAPERS, or magazines...
and you called FRANK a "dangerous idiot" but are now willing to be "good friends"...
I take it (like the rest you DIDN'T object to)...you can't object to those points too much!
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/06/2008 @ 2:38pm
What we do know about Luvvy:
He believes in flying colored horseys
He is a chauvinistic dinosaur
Posted by crabwalk at 08/06/2008 @ 3:06pm
One thing I like about Obama is he is a very smart man. I just really want a president who is as intelligent as I am. Really, is that too much to hope for?
Posted by Pogge at 08/06/2008 @ 1:14pm
Judging from the past eight years, yes.
Posted by k330k at 08/06/2008 @ 3:06pm
Jesus H. Christ, Maskdelta, that was one of the most impressive quick bits of detective work I have seen in a while.
Posted by onthehelm at 08/06/2008 @ 3:07pm
Remind me when it gets closer to airing to tell you what it is. I am under contract right now and can't actually talk about what it is about. But once it gets close to airing we will be freer.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/06/2008 @ 1:53pm
Well, you answered my question...I guess I will have to wait. My wife and I love the History Channel.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/06/2008 @ 3:07pm
Posted by Metteyya at 08/06/2008 @ 2:04pm
that's in atlanta.
rev. larry's in california.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/06/2008 @ 3:09pm
Also that isn't the right church because LVL is in San Diego not Atlanta.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/06/2008 @ 2:37pm
Thank the Lord!! My city is still safe.
Posted by k330k at 08/06/2008 @ 3:11pm
Also that isn't the right church because LVL is in San Diego not Atlanta.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/06/2008 @ 2:37pm
That's not me. I live in Riverside county.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/06/2008 @ 3:17pm
Posted by onthehelm at 08/06/2008 @ 3:07pm
No, no deity was involved. It's simply called the "Cut & Paste" feature of "Edit" on Internet Explorer....Notepad word processing program...and a file called "LVLIB" in My Documents.
Like FRANK, LL's posts need to be saved. Never know when he's going to go all "soft and squishy Christian" and act like he never was "Gen. Buck Turgidson".
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/06/2008 @ 3:18pm
That's not me. I live in Riverside county.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/06/2008 @ 3:17pm
do you have a website?
can we repost some of your comments on your website?
you wouldn't want to interfere with free speech, would you?
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/06/2008 @ 3:22pm
BTW, LVLIB...
I noted that Roger Sapp's is a "healing ministry"....I assume you subscribe to that too...
Question....given God can "cure arthritis"..."cure Parkinson's"..."cure CANCER"...
why can't He cure...an amputee? A leg? An arm? A pinkie toe?
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/06/2008 @ 3:32pm
That's not me. I live in Riverside county. Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/06/2008 @ 3:17pm
Oh I thought you were down in SD. Guess not. Either way I think I narrowed down who you could be. But alas I shall never know because I would never post anyones information. But yeah don't give out that much information online. It didn't take me long to narrow down the choices.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/06/2008 @ 3:40pm
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/06/2008 @ 2:37pm
I think we are getting some misinformation from LVL.
There is NO Tabernacle of Hope Ministries in San Diego.
The Atlanta group does have affiliates in the Bahamas, and the Philippines, and Michael is described as the Bishop AND senior pastor.
I don't know why a senior pastor would tell he is from San Diego when he is not, or give you a name of a ministry that is not based in San Diego.
Posted by Metteyya at 08/06/2008 @ 3:41pm
So you're founder of a sub-affiliate of a small Texas based minor ministry run by a guy named Sapp. I stand corrected...heheh. (BTW, no problem with the "chauvinistically pro-Israel" thing?)
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/06/2008 @ 2:34pm
Wrong again Masked man. I've never been affiliated with any ministry in Texas other than my association with Hagee as a supporting pastor in CUFI (Christians United For Israel).
While I wouldn't call support of Israel "chauvinistic", I am of course very pro Israel.
Our ministry website is down while I am in the midst of constructing a new website; however, the founding ministry website which I have linked to before is:
http://www.sommerhaven.com/index.html
I was ordained by the founder, Agnes Numer and serve as one of her advisors.
And I was a Pastor, Missionary and Associate Pastor in the International Church of the Foursquare Gospel for almost 15 years. I also attended their Bible College (LIFE).
It is always amusing when someone thinks they have my identity through a web search. There are over a thousand people I have discovered over time with my same name. And there are about a dozen I have found with the same middle initial.
But I tend to keep a low profile when it comes to the media and to the internet itself (other than this site). That is something I learned from Agnes.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/06/2008 @ 3:46pm
Mask-It is a proven fact that strong faith in something can greatly affect ones ability to survive a deadly disease or to not get sick in the first place,but it has,also,been proven that it does not matter which faith,if any,the person subscribes to as many Tibetan Buddhists have,certainly,proven.It is your own faith and not what a healer does that cures you.Don't know if God can cure an amputee or not,but does not seem to desire to do so.Maybe it's a karma thing,but strong faith can help to keep one alive as they become an amputee.At the very least,strong faith can help one to deal with the pain and trauma caused by becoming an instant amputee by way of bomb,bullet,or accident.
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/06/2008 @ 3:55pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/06/2008 @ 3:46pm
Sorry, Larry...is there ANOTHER "All Nations Ministries"? Google finds ONE by that name.
Or is this...."Wrong. I am the founder and Sr Pastor of Tabernacle of Hope Ministries (a collection of churches and ministries in the US, Philippines, South Africa, Bahamas, and Mexico) which is an affiliate of All Nations Ministries"
part of "keep(ing) a low profile when it comes to the media and to the internet" and deceptive?
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/06/2008 @ 3:58pm
BTW, I still stick with my "free lance circuit preacher" assessment.
A matter of semantics that a SMALL self-founded ministry "associated" with another small self-founded ministry is anything more than "free lance" compared to larger denominations.
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/06/2008 @ 4:00pm
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/06/2008 @ 3:55pm
The evangelical/fundamentalist premise of "God healing" is that it is a given that God can pretty much do whatever He wants. Got cancer? God can "heal it". Actually cause the cancer cells to cease functioning and die. Tumors, destroyed nerves, etc. All cell structures that God can "manipulate at will" (upon proper prayer and supplication by the victim and/or "healers").
Now...why can God destroy cancer cells, even facilitate the curing of nerve and muscle cells...but cannot RE-GROW cells into tissues to regenerate a lost limb or even digit?
The answer is simple. Cancers and other diseases have a REMISSION RATE...a statistical probability that they will cease their march of debility or to death.
Take 20 cancer victims at random...19 die, 1 survives. A remission rate of 5%. Perfectly reasonable disease pathology.
Take 20 people and have them "pray God to cure them"...19 die, 1 survives and (being alive) gets to tell people that "His faith was strong and God cured him of cancer!" (the dead 19 with no defense get put in the "not strong enough faith" or "wasn't God's will they get cured" trash heap.)
So...the premise of "God healing people" is false, since curing an amputee (no major stretch for a God that can "cure cancer") .......never happens.
Here endeth the lesson....heheh
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/06/2008 @ 4:06pm
For all of us unhappy with Obama's performance of late- sliding into that 'C'-world of the Cowardly, Capitulating Centrist, I think his humor and mockery have elevated him back in some measure -to reality.
But he really boosted my esteem, when in reply to the question about the aliens, he was smart enough to answer "It depends on whether they're Republican aliens or Democratic aliens".
Now he's publicly admitting there is a difference. FINALLY!! Kiss that Harold Ford Jr.!
Posted by hazmaq at 08/06/2008 @ 4:37pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/06/2008 @ 3:46pm
Ahh no you think you keep a low profile. There are things on the internet that get posted that you never know about.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/06/2008 @ 4:38pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/06/2008 @ 3:46pm
Honestly LVL. The information you have given us now plus the information I have gleaned off you are enough to find out about you. Yes many people may share your full name. But how many of those people are also ex-military from Vietnam, Pastors that live in either San Diego or Riverside. I gurantee you anyone who cared enough could find out all they wanted about you by just cross referencing information. All you would do is search different portions of that information together. I am not determined enough because I don't much care and could never confirm it because I would never post it online if I did find out which means I could never ask.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/06/2008 @ 4:42pm
Organization Total Revenue Highest Exec. Name Exec. Rank Exec. Compensation Form 990
Peter Popoff Ministries - CA $23,556,469 Peter Popoff President $628,732
Trinity Broadcasting Network - CA $194,092,817 Paul F. Crouch Sr. President, Director $419,500
International Fellowship of Christians and Jews - IL $73,644,288 Yechiel Eckstein President, CEO $416,004
Christian Broadcasting Network - VA $236,340,781 Michael D. Little President $275,868
Educational Media Foundation - CA $56,137,718 Richard Jenkins President $257,630
Ligonier Ministries - FL $11,501,975 Timothy Dick President, CEO $245,197
Christian Research Institute - NC $7,750,716 Hank Hanegraaff President $211,632
Luis Palau Association - OR $22,155,039 Luis Palau President $210,399
New Life Ministries - CA $8,207,713 Stephen Arterburn Chief Executive Officer $183,895
Jewish Voice Ministries International - AZ $8,879,024 Jonathan Bernis President $172,111
Christ for all Nations - FL $13,367,736 Reinhard Bonnke President $162,165
Grace to You - CA $12,485,467 John F. MacArthur President $160,000
Andrew Wommack Ministries - CO $11,599,749 Andrew Wommack President, CEO $155,207
Jack Van Impe Ministries International - MI $11,766,465 Jack Van Impe President $153,143
Insight for Living - TX $18,838,964 Cynthia Swindoll President $149,133
In Touch Ministries - GA $73,348,033 Charles F. Stanley President, Founder $126,931
Billy Graham Evangelistic Association - NC $125,741,822 William Franklin Graham President, CEO $120,905
well, gosh darn it! i'm gonna be a pastor, too!
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/06/2008 @ 9:19pm
Take 20 people and have them "pray God to cure them"...19 die, 1 survives and (being alive) gets to tell people that "His faith was strong and God cured him of cancer!" (the dead 19 with no defense get put in the "not strong enough faith" or "wasn't God's will they get cured" trash heap.)
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/06/2008 @ 4:06pm | ignore this person | warn this person
duh!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 08/07/2008 @ 12:34am
Yo, Maskdelta,
On Jesus:
Was your head spinning while you were spewing out green puke? If not, you need to visit your local exorcist. Quickly please.
Jesus said: Return good for evil Jesus said: Go about doing good Jesus said: Treat others the way you would want to be treated Jesus said: If one asks for a fish do not give him a stone Jesus said: Judge not, for according to the same manner you judge others, so shall you be judged Jesus said: A tree will be known by its fruit, as good tree will not bear bad fruit, nor a good tree bad Jesus said: true love hath no fear
Jesus also rejected Simon the Zealot's appeal to overthrow the Romans.
You clearly have not only not read your bible, but you have utterly no understanding of who Jesus is, or what he beseeched us to become.
You are a POSER!
Posted by PrairieDeb at 08/07/2008 @ 12:36am
Maskdelta:
To clarify,
A good tree will not bear bad fruit, nor a bad tree bear good.
All paraphrased, but known and understood by READING MY BIBLE. You should try it.
POSER!
Posted by PrairieDeb at 08/07/2008 @ 12:41am
jesus was cool.
we need some more folks like him.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/07/2008 @ 12:42am
Maskdelta,
It's people like you that give Jesus a bad name--you know--ANTI-CHRIST.
Wow.
Posted by PrairieDeb at 08/07/2008 @ 12:43am
Frosty, I agree. I get testie when someone disses the big "J", but from my experience, not too many know Him. They judge by others, and quite franky, those who act like they know--know not.
I stopped going to church when they made God a Republican.
Jesus is clearly an independent.
Republicans are Pharasees, they strain a gnat and swallow a camel.
Posted by PrairieDeb at 08/07/2008 @ 01:14am
jesus woulda liked this guy:
When Adam delved and Eve span, Who was then the gentleman? From the beginning all men by nature were created alike, and our bondage or servitude came in by the unjust oppression of naughty men. For if God would have had any bondmen from the beginning, he would have appointed who should be bond, and who free. And therefore I exhort you to consider that now the time is come, appointed to us by God, in which ye may ( if ye will ) cast off the yoke of bondage, and recover liberty.
john ball, 1381
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/07/2008 @ 01:15am
Cool fz. Maybe you are nice all the time. But....I wonder.....
Posted by PrairieDeb at 08/07/2008 @ 01:20am
Posted by PrairieDeb at 08/07/2008 @ 12:41am
Uh, Deb....I was being sarcastic and channelling your average "LVLIB" type "Christian".
As you noted, very little of the fundy/evangel right-wing Christianity is based on what Jesus said. (Note: They typically quote a lot of OLD Testament and St. Paul to back up their political/religious dogma!)
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/07/2008 @ 09:01am
wow.
stupid buzz........
what a nation!
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/07/2008 @ 1:52pm
sorry.
what stupid "politics"
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/07/2008 @ 4:12pm
I'm trying to figure out how the attention from the Paris Hilton response ad or the "omigod, I can't watch" performance in Sturgis helped McCain, but an awful lot of chatter is suggesting both were a big hit with Republicans???? Also, what did FOX have to say about MIss Buffalo Chip? I found nothing on the website and no longer subscribe to satellite (too many shopping channels for my hard earned dime).
Posted by Pogge at 08/07/2008 @ 7:18pm
I'm trying to figure out how the attention from the Paris Hilton response ad or the "omigod, I can't watch" performance in Sturgis helped McCain????
Posted by Pogge at 08/07/2008 @ 7:18pm
have a twinkie and some coke-a-cola. that'll help.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/07/2008 @ 9:29pm
Twinkies! Are you mad. I might throttle the gardener in a sugar fueled rage!!! :)
Posted by Pogge at 08/07/2008 @ 9:33pm
it's all a mindset.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/07/2008 @ 10:05pm
Maskdelta, yeah I figured that out when I reread some posts. :^/ I need to stop that late nigtht, tired from remodeling posts. But I can't, so I'll have to read more closely. Sorry. Still, if I'm going to get tagged, it might as well be for defending the big "J" They are giving him a bad name.
Peace out.
Posted by PrairieDeb at 08/08/2008 @ 01:45am
Maybe he needs a new nickname?
"Maverick Pimp"?
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/06/2008 @ 08:58am | warn this person
And Phil Gramm can fund the production.
Icky, icky Maverick Pimpie
I'm even disturbing myself.
Posted by PrairieDeb at 08/08/2008 @ 01:48am