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RedditMark Nickolas dug up a strategy memo from McCain campaign manager Rick Davis after McCain captured the GOP nomination in March.
It's a fascinating trip down memory lane.
"It is critical, as we prepare to face off with whomever the Democrats select as their nominee, that we all follow John's lead and run a respectful campaign focused on the issues and values that are important to the American people," Davis wrote. "Throughout the primary election we saw John McCain reject the type of politics that degrade our civics, and this will not change as he prepares to run head-to-head against the Democratic nominee."
Added Cindy McCain in May: "What you're going to see is a great debate. Which is what the American public deserves. None of this negative stuff, though. You won't see it come out of our side at all."
What happened to the honorable campaign McCain pledged to run? Particularly in recent weeks, McCain's campaign has been marked by cheap lies, deliberate fabrications and ominous attacks on Barack Obama.
McCain's false charge about why Obama canceled a visit to wounded troops in Germany was a low point for the former straight-talker. Wrote Joe Klein of Time Magazine, a previous McCain admirer:
This is the sort of thing you put on the air when:
1. You're desperate.
2. Your Middle East policy has been superseded by events and abandoned by your allies.
3. You apparently have nothing substantive to say about America's future role in the region and the world.
McCain's new ad linking Obama to Paris Hilton and Britney Spears is laughably frivolous, and another indication of how the McCain campaign has turned into amateur hour.
As Jonathan Martin of The Politico noted, McCain himself is every bit the star f*cker, having appeared in 24, Wedding Crashers and WWF Raw.
Just when you think that Republican attacks can't get any stupider or sillier, they do.
UPDATE: Former McCain chief strategist John Weaver calls the new McCain ad "childish." Says Weaver: "There is legitimate mockery of a political campaign now, and it isn't at Obama's. For McCain's sake, this tomfoolery needs to stop." Weaver's comments are a big deal, and a reflection of the disenchantment toward McCain from some of his top supporters in 2000.
Why Mr Berman, didn't you know?
The "fact" that Barack Obama "hates the troops" and "wants to lose the war to win an election" IS "an issue".
Especially if your OWN IDEA of Obama going to Iraq just blew up in your face...you have to let go of Phil Gramm for sounding like a GOP stereotype...and the electoral college map shows you losing...badly.
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/30/2008 @ 2:24pm
McCave's campaign must be thinking by their attempt to sell the "big lie" presupposes that the US citizenry are also sufficiently insane, apathetic or at least well conditioned via hsuB/cHeney fearmongerring, to buy it.
NOT.
It's whether the MSM are still sufficiently apathetic or at least well conditioned via hsuB/cHeney fearmongerring, to continuously repeat it.
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/30/2008 @ 2:24pm
I think everyone knew it would come to this. No matter how much McCain wants to appear as being a "maverick" he is just like every other GOP candidate. Which means he will use the dirtiest tactics possible to win instead of running on the issues people want to hear about.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/30/2008 @ 2:43pm
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/30/2008 @ 2:43pm
I think he wants to do both...doing neither well.
His instinct is probably "old McCain", try to run on issues, maybe use the "drill here" thing, but keep it "above the fray"...
his ADVISORS see all that he has going against him....Bush...the economy...70% unpopularity for a war he won't commit to ending, just ambiguiously "winning"...his own lack of pizazz (sp?)...
and think he needs to go dirty and stick with it.
So...he tries "Obama wants to lose a war to win an election"...and it backfires.
Or he tries amateurish stuff like "Obama is just like Britney Spears or Paris Hilton"...and HE gets laughed at for its elementary school inanity.
And then ALL of that adds up to an image of desperation and "monkey in the zoo flinging his own poo".
And I tell ya, I honestly think it's because he's never been in a REALLY tough election battle (ex 2000)...and he doesn't know how to handle it.
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/30/2008 @ 2:57pm
McCain's new ad
"more foreign oil"
jesus frikkin' christ!!!!!!!!!!!!
oil is oil. it is a fungible resource. it's origin has no impact on price.
if the u.s. put more oil on the market, someone else would put less.
the price wouldn't change.
plus how much oil can the u.s. squeeze out of an old sponge?
stupid humans.
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/30/2008 @ 2:58pm
The McCave campaign is betting on repelling enough voters with noxious political propaganda to win with their great remaining inoculated few.
But that's a really dumb strategy as McCave's own utterances are neutralizing his own stance on major issues for what should be his most resolved base to securely stick. And bigger still-- Obama is ever more inspirational than McCave is bland and crass. Ergo, it's more apt that McCave voters stay home with Obama's leaners more fired up for all the negative McCave campaign efforts.
Duh.
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/30/2008 @ 3:06pm
the apparent overlay of obama's image with those of "paris hilton" and "britnee spears" in a latest ad is both insulting to obama as well as reeking of desperation on the part of mccain.
Posted by Zero at 07/30/2008 @ 3:07pm | ignore this person
I haven't seen it, but you seem to be describing a subliminal 'Willie Horton' ad with the popular media obsessed 'white girls' being provided t'boot!?!
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/30/2008 @ 3:14pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/30/2008 @ 2:58pm
and if they drill in anwr, they'll probably just send it all to japan and china, anyways.
america already exports alaskan oil.
Oil - exports:
1.048 million bbl/day (2004) Oil - imports:
13.15 million bbl/day (2004)
source - THE FRIGGIN' CIA!!!!!!!!
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/30/2008 @ 3:31pm
Why? Because Magic is hard to pin down.
Posted by 2HAPPY at 07/30/2008 @ 3:09pm
I have to agree totally here. The Clintons, purported to be some of the best politicians of our time, couldn't figure out how to beat this guy.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/30/2008 @ 3:31pm
Reuters ANALYSIS-US oil firms seek drilling access, but exports soar
07.03.08, 2:40 PM ET
UNITED STATES -
By Tom Doggett
WASHINGTON3 (Reuters) - While the U.S. oil industry want access to more federal lands to help reduce reliance on foreign suppliers, American-based companies are shipping record amounts of gasoline and diesel fuel to other countries.
A record 1.6 million barrels a day in U.S. refined petroleum products were exported during the first four months of this year, up 33 percent from 1.2 million barrels a day over the same period in 2007. Shipments this February topped 1.8 million barrels a day for the first time during any month, according to final numbers from the Energy Department.
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/30/2008 @ 3:32pm
Statement on exports of Alaska North Slope crude oil
Weekly Compilation of Presidential Documents, May 6, 1996
Today I am taking action that will allow, for the first time, exports of Alaska North Slope (ANS) crude oil. Permitting this oil to move freely in international commerce will contribute to economic growth, reduce dependence on imported oil, and create new jobs for American workers. IT WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT OIL SUPPLIES OR GASOLINE PRICES ON THE WEST COAST, IN HAWAII, OR IN THE REST OF THE NATION.
bill clinton, 1996
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/30/2008 @ 3:32pm
Time to End the Alaskan Oil Export Ban
by Samuel A. Van Vactor
Samuel A. Van Vactor is president of Economic Insight, Inc., Consulting Economists, in Portland, Oregon.
Executive Summary
The Trans-Alaska Pipeline Authorization Act of 1973, while opening vast oil reserves around Prudhoe Bay for production, effectively requires that Alaskan oil be consumed domestically, not exported. As a result, petroleum development on the Alaskan North Slope and in California has been greatly restrained.
The natural market for North Slope oil is Japan, Korea, and northern East Asia, to which oil can be shipped for about 50 cents per barrel, but North Slope producers are required to use domestic tankers and market exclusively in the United States and its territories, a mandate that has often resulted in shipping costs of $5 per barrel. That price distortion has led to artificially low domestic prices for heavy crude on the West Coast, discouraging otherwise profitable exploration and production investments in Alaska and California.
Oil production in the United States has declined 23 percent since prices collapsed in 1986, and net oil imports have doubled. Part of the drop in U.S. production is due to exhaustion of the resource--oil basins in the lower 48 states are mature, and most are in permanent decline--but that is not true of many of California's and Alaska's oil fields.
The artificial inhibition of U.S. oil production has severe consequences for jobs and economic growth. Over the coming decades the cost could be as high as $125 billion and the loss of tens of thousands of well-paid jobs in petroleum development, oil-field services, manufacturing, and transportation. Given the massive costs and paltry benefits of the oil export ban, Congress should immediately act to free the Alaskan oil trade and repeal the prohibition on oil exports.
Full Text of Policy Analysis No. 227 (HTML) © 1995 The Cato Institute Please send comments to webmaster
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/30/2008 @ 3:33pm
The Drill Responsibly in Leased Lands (DRILL) Act
On July 17, the House voted on the Drill Responsibly in Leased Lands (DRILL) Act, H.R. 6515, a bill to promote the responsible domestic production of oil and natural gas, particularly in 20 million acres of the National Petroleum Reserve-Alaska. WHILE 244 MEMBERS VOTED FOR THE BILL, IT FAILED TO GET THE TWO-THIRDS SUPPORT NECESSARY FOR PASSAGE. There are 68 million acres of federal land already leased by oil companies for energy production now but sitting idle. That's 75% of leased lands, sitting idle. Oil companies should drill what they have leased--and lease lands already open for drilling first. But instead, President Bush and Congressional Republicans want to make this a fight about our beaches and our threatened wilderness areas, in an apparent attempt to help the oil companies lock up more public lands before he leaves office.
The DRILL Act will increase domestic oil supply by: • speeding the development of the National Petroleum Reserve-Alaska (NPR-A) by requiring the Secretary of Interior to offer at least one lease sale annually in the NPR-A.
• reinstating a ban on the foreign export of Alaskan oil.
• incorporating the ‘Use It or Lose It' legislation, which simply requires oil producers to drill on the leases they already have or relinquish them so that another company can produce the oil there.
• calling on the President to use the powers of his office to facilitate the completion of oil pipelines into the NPR-A and to facilitate the construction of a Alaska natural gas pipeline to the continental United States to move the product to market.
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/30/2008 @ 3:33pm
many of the people most susceptible to such an add probably aren't the sorts who vote, anyway
Posted by Zero at 07/30/2008 @ 3:07pm
and many more vote against there best interests.
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/30/2008 @ 3:34pm
black votes.
Posted by 2HAPPY at 07/30/2008 @ 3:09pm
they should go back to being lawn ornaments.
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/30/2008 @ 3:36pm
McCain seems like a joke, but I know people, young and old, who say they'll vote for him. So I hope the Nation people are getting out and mingling with those kinds of folks and learning the real skinny on what's making them tick. Enough of the Obamamania, let's win this thing for the Dems.
Have to laugh at the Open Letter on this site, asking BO to stay to the left. Bill Clinton tried to explain this stuff to you, but, no, you were tired of "triangulation"..... Oh well, moving forward....
Posted by RLawrence at 07/30/2008 @ 3:40pm
Oh wow, I saw the ad and it not only superimposes the two pop young white girls in and out with Obama's pic but then shows Obama and an emerging big phallic, er, Victory Column. Wonder what that is meant to symbolize with lots of rhetoric about OIL? Hey Frank?
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/30/2008 @ 3:46pm
UH OH!
Central Asia Jul 30, 2008
  Russia takes control of Turkmen (world?) gas By M K Bhadrakumar
From the details coming out of Ashgabat in Turkmenistan and Moscow over the weekend, it is apparent that the great game over Caspian energy has taken a dramatic turn. In the geopolitics of energy security, nothing like this has happened before. The United States has suffered a huge defeat in the race for Caspian gas. The question now is how much longer Washington could afford to keep Iran out of the energy market.
Gazprom, Russia's energy leviathan, signed two major agreements in Ashgabat on Friday outlining a new scheme for purchase of Turkmen gas. The first one elaborates the price formation principles that will be guiding the Russian gas purchase from Turkmenistan during the next 20-year period. The second

agreement is a unique one, making Gazprom the donor for local Turkmen energy projects. In essence, the two agreements ensure that Russia will keep control over Turkmen gas exports.
Curiously, the agreements reached in Ashgabat on Friday are unlikely to enable Gazprom to make revenue from reselling Turkmen gas. Quite possibly, Gazprom may now have to concede similar terms to Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, the two other major gas producing countries in Central Asia. In other words, plain money-making was not the motivation for Gazprom. The Kremlin has a grand strategy.
The agreements with Turkmenistan further consolidate Russia's control of Central Asia's gas exports. Gazprom recently offered to buy all of Azerbaijan's gas at European prices. (Medvedev visited Baku on July 3-4.) Baku will study with keen interest the agreements signed in Ashgabat on Friday. The overall implications of these Russian moves are very serious for the US and EU campaign to get the Nabucco gas pipeline project going.
Nabucco, which would run from Turkey to Austria via Bulgaria, Rumania and Hungary, was hoping to tap Turkmen gas by linking Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan via a pipeline across the Caspian Sea that would be connected to the pipeline networks through the Caucasus to Turkey already existing, such as the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline
The geopolitics of energy makes strange bedfellows. Russia will be watching with anxiety the Turkish-Iranian-US tango. An understanding with Iran on gas pricing, production and market-sharing is vital for the success of Russia's overall gas export strategy. But Tehran visualizes the Nabucco as its passport for integration with Europe. Again, Russia's control of Turkmen gas cannot be to Tehran's liking. Tehran had keenly pursed with Ashgabat the idea of evacuation of Turkmen gas to the world market via Iranian territory.
There must be deep frustration in Washington. In sum, Russia has greatly strengthened its standing as the principal gas supplier to Europe. It not only controls Central Asia's gas exports but has ensured that gas from the region passes across Russia and not through the alternative trans-Caspian pipelines mooted by the US and EU. Also, a defining moment has come. The era of cheap gas is ending. Other gas exporters will cite the precedent of the price for Turkmen gas. European companies cannot match Gazprom's muscle. Azerbaijan becomes a test case. Equally, Russia places itself in a commanding position to influence the price of gas in the world market. A gas cartel is surely in the making. The geopolitical implications are simply profound for the US.
Moreover, Russian oil and gas companies are now spreading their wings into Latin America, which has been the US's traditional backyard. During Chavez's visit to Moscow on July 22, three Russian energy companies - Gazprom, LUKoil and TNK-BP - signed agreements with the Venezuelan state-owned petroleum company PDVSA. They will replace the American oil giants ExxonMobil and ConocoPhillips in Venezuela.
At the signing ceremony, Medvedev said, "We have not only approved these agreements but have also decided to supervise their implementation." Chavez responded, "I look forward to seeing all of you in Venezuela."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/JG30Ag01.html
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/30/2008 @ 4:03pm
Charismatic Black Man
+
2 Pop Young White Females
+
Big Phallic Symbol Spreading Open Green Trees
x
Ready for OIl Drilling
=
Racial Fear x Getting Screwed at the Pump
=
Uppity Black Man is the Arrogant Big Oil Conglomerate Pimp!
See, such a simple math problem-- any new con repub can erupt and gush that they can figure it out.
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/30/2008 @ 4:48pm
Yep it seems to be working out real good for them there McCavies:
CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. July 27-29, 2008. N=914 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.
"If Barack Obama were the Democratic Party's candidate and John McCain were the Republican Party's candidate, who would you be more likely to vote for: Obama, the Democrat, or McCain, the Republican?...
Date________McCain__Obama__Other/Unsure
7/27-29/08____44______51______5
6/26-29/08____45______50 _____ 5
6/4-5/08______46______49 _____5
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/30/2008 @ 5:54pm
Was prerusing old 'The New Yorker' mags and in the 'close reading dept' of the Nov.7, 2005 edition happened upon an article titled 'SCOOTER'S SEX SHOCKER',BY Lauren Collins.
No followup found, but an interesting read and gives fair credance to his many types of partnerships with characters such as Rove and Cheney.
Posted by tonycohenster at 07/30/2008 @ 7:26pm
all this talk of mccain's campaign is just fushysteria!
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/30/2008 @ 7:50pm
RE: Barak Obama and Britney Spears and Paris Hilton ... Well, there's some dose of truth in it.
-----------
McCain camp compares Obama to Spears, Hilton By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer
AURORA, Colo. - John McCain 's presidential campaign on Wednesday released a withering television ad comparing Barack Obama to Britney Spears and Paris Hilton, suggesting the Democratic contender is little more than a vapid but widely recognized media concoction.
Posted by HelenDAO at 07/30/2008 @ 10:26pm
"Everyone should take a deep breath and listen to both sides of the argument. When it comes to our troops, especially the wounded ones, I come down on their side and they are the ones who were snubbed by Obama"
whereas mccain, by sending them into a quagmire with no mission, not that's showing serious love!!
frank, you are a total loser and i am ignoring you.
Posted by darladoon at 07/30/2008 @ 10:54pm
withering
Posted by HelenDAO at 07/30/2008 @ 10:26pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/30/2008 @ 11:17pm
The mud wrestling was all over the news tonight!
Posted by RedRiver_. at 07/30/2008 @ 10:56pm
IFL, tomorrow night.
McBama vs. Ocain.
Be There or Beware!
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/30/2008 @ 11:19pm
Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 9:59pm
Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 11:28pm
Why even ask if he's insane, isn't it obvious?
Up is down, inside is outside, invisible little new con repub people have taken over FrGr's mind and telling him BS; he's believing it and regurgitating the bile here.
Thenation.com has become FrGr's tiolet, his barf-bag, his calling dinosaurs (that people road on with horse saddles) in bear skins, his amniotic fluid regression to a place that doesn't really exist.
We are the privileged few about to witness FrGr's total and wondrous passage into
the Twilight Zone.
Tan tan tan Tan tannnnn.
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/30/2008 @ 11:59pm
The more oil we can produce domestically the less we have to import. The only thing important is the net balance between buying and selling. Pretty simple. For some bizzar reason Obama doesn't seem to see that or he is just being dishonest - I think the latter.
Posted by pyeatte at 07/31/2008 @ 12:07am
I love seeing that right wingers/neo-cons/Republicans/libertarians like frankgrits and lvliberty and Red River are so deeply dedicated to reading the Nation and participating in its blogs! The amount of time they spend here in debate will lead to a gradual absorption of progressive values by pure osmosis. God bless you righties - invite your friends!
Posted by guanabana at 07/31/2008 @ 12:15am
The more oil we can produce domestically the less we have to import.
Posted by pyeatte at 07/31/2008 @ 12:07am
has using less occurred to you?
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 12:20am
cut out the middlemen!!!!
SPEARS/HILTON '08
-- America Gets Its Wish! --
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 12:21am
uh, read again, rio.
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 12:41am
"(the ironic thing about the britnee-paris ad is that both of these malibu/LA brats who have great wealth and hick ancestry are likely to vote mccain)"
they're not going to vote, dude. r u kidding?
Posted by darladoon at 07/31/2008 @ 01:02am
Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 9:59pm
Such a joke Frank. You never listen to another side. You have pre-decided what you want to do and will say nothing positive about Obama and nothing negative about McCain no matter what they do. McCain could say he wants to invade England and you would find a way to justify it.
Face it frank you are a walking joke. You cling to the same stupid arguments that don't play to begin with and then just repeat them. If you have nothing new to say maybe you should go somewhere else until you think of something.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 02:03am
ouch!
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 02:08am
FrGr experienced an existential vacuum, regressed to primordial soup, captured in a black hole, spat out the other side, knows not what he become, believes he lives in the same world only colder, older, dumber, not female, darker, scarier, redder, lemminger, until 2012.
Poor FrGr.
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/31/2008 @ 02:17am
Even more influential was the 1958 Disney film WHITE WILDERNESS in which footage was shown that seems to show the mass suicide of lemmings. The film won an Academy Award for Documentary Feature.
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 02:26am
In 1982, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation newsmagazine "the fifth estate" broadcast a documentary about animal cruelty in Hollywood, focusing on WHITE WILDERNESS as well as the Disney television program Wild Kingdom.
Bob McKeown, the host of the CBC program, found that the lemming scene was filmed at the Bow River near downtown Calgary and not at the Arctic Ocean as implied by the film.
He found out that the lemmings did not voluntarily jump into the river but were pushed in by a turntable installed by the film crew.
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 02:28am
I can tell you this. A lot of this infantile crap that the McBush campaign spews, really does stick. More than you might think. I am a truck driver and I listen with horror to what my UNION (go figure) brothers say to each other. Things like, "Did you hear that Barack HUSSEIN Obama spit on the troops over there?" "Yeah, It's cuz he's a damn Socialist!" "I hear ya bro, and he's gonna raise our taxes so he don't have to drill for more oil." "Yeah, I know and he's a bigot against whites who wants to take away our guns and let those queers get married." At this point I start looking for a cliff to jump off of, or better yet a plane ticket to Denmark..
Posted by chaoszen at 07/31/2008 @ 06:59am
The difference between the McCain of 2000 and this McCain is that he is the republican standard bearer and he will have the full support of the republican machine to carry the fight. It should be very interesting.
Posted by frankgrits at 07/30/2008 @ 11:28pm
Frank, Your true colors have come out via your own post (see above). You are a republican, period. If the last 7 and a half years of W's policies aren't enough to make you vote against continuing them, then either you are a very wealthy man, or a God Damned fool.
You are screwing yourself, your nation, our soldiers, our economy and your children and grand children's based on trade policies that are screwing American workers over.
Back the party of the fake tin soldiers who talk the tough talk, but don't do the real fighting or working for that matter. They are investers counting their money and sitting on their fat asses lazy arrogant asses (see Rush Limbaugh). Unfortunately, the dollar is becoming ever increasingly worthless, so go ahead and be an idiot and cast another vote to sink the U.S.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 07/31/2008 @ 07:29am
It would all be amusing if it wasn't so tragic.
Posted by chaoszen at 07/31/2008 @ 07:32am
mccain is a pathetic candidate running a pathetic campaign that is ALL negative, and for frank to repeat the snubbed the troops lie shows the kind of support the repub can count on...
Posted by ultvio at 07/31/2008 @ 07:50am
Frank drank the GOP Koolaid before it was properly diluted. He got a heavy dose. But you have to give him some credit. He wouldn't or couldn't be skulking around a liberal blog without some small part of the reptilian brain gaining a spark of truth and light. They is always Hope. Right?
Posted by chaoszen at 07/31/2008 @ 07:51am
i suppose.
Posted by ultvio at 07/31/2008 @ 07:53am
Heard a CNN poll yesterday...
27%....TWENTY-SEVEN PERCENT ...of Americans believe that "Obama disrespected the troops by not visiting them in Germany."
That's the 27% who support Bush...and FRANK.
And that's it.
LOL
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/31/2008 @ 08:51am
Frosty, good stuff.
So, basically drilling for more oil in the US would do nothing for the price of gas in the US, but would increase profits for the companies already making RECORD profits (see Shell, Exxon/mobil).
and THAT is what the neo-cons want more than anything else.
Keep it up Frosty! U Da Man!!
Posted by crabwalk at 07/31/2008 @ 09:01am
McCave experienced an existential vacuum, regressed to primordial soup, captured in a black hole, spat out the other side, knows not what he become, believes he lives in the same world only colder, older, dumber, not female, darker, scarier, redder, lemminger, until 2012.
Poor McCave.
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/31/2008 @ 09:25am
"In reality, however, lemmings are not that altruistic. The animals are known for cyclical population explosions that occur approximately every four years. During such a peak, the population may multiple a thousandfold and food becomes scarce, forcing enormous groups of the rodents to migrate to newer territories. While migrating, some lemmings do fall off cliffs or drown, but these deaths are accidental and are caused by venturing into unfamiliar areas, rather than suicidal tendencies."
UHhhhmmmm
In reality, however, 'new con repubs' are not that altruistic. The animals are known for cyclical population explosions that occur approximately every four years. During such a peak, the population may multipl(y) a thousandfold and food becomes scarce, forcing enormous groups of the rodents to migrate to newer territories. While migrating, some 'new con repubs' do fall off cliffs or drown, but these deaths are accidental and are caused by venturing into unfamiliar areas, rather than suicidal tendencies.
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/31/2008 @ 09:36am
good find by MASK. this silly nananananabooboo bullshit from the repugnants will indeed be quite successful with the 27% of hardcore repugnant satano-aynranto-christo fascists who will vote antidemocratic no matter what.
it may play well with a few uncommited schmuks...but...
i think for most the rightwing bullshit sorcery has lost its magic and this pathetic "oooh oooh! did you here what he said! oooh oooh!" crap will blow up in their faces.
and oh FRANK (who has me on ignore i believe...lol)...
did a rapper really make a song unflattering to hillary?
so effing what?
Posted by ibbleblibble at 07/31/2008 @ 09:53am
They is always Hope. Right?
Posted by chaoszen at 07/31/2008 @ 07:51am
Nope, Franky is broken beyond repair. You were right on the drinking to much of the improperly diluted koolaid though. Liv, Ponti and a few of the others have drunk for the same cup....they thought it was the cup of Christ but didn't read the fine print of the disclaimer on the label.
It says..... This cup claims that it is the cup of Christ, but if you drink from this cup, you are actually drinking from the cup of the anti-Christ. Drinking freely of this you therefore take responsibility for all of your actions hereafter. After consuming this beverage, you will be consumed with self- righteousness, intellectual stagnation, the urge to force your beliefs upon others and yet be afraid of everything on earth, and finally, you'll have hypocritical tendencies that are unmatchable by those who do not drink from this cup. (See John Wayne for more on this...the guy who acted like Mr Conservative Tough Guy but refused to fight in WWII but rather made a fortune making movies about fighting and promoting war and conservative ideals while getting divorced multiple times, having drinking and drug problems while all the time ranting about American ideals and being a manly man.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 07/31/2008 @ 10:42am
Has it occurred to anyone that calling Obama arrogant and presumptuous are euphemistic ways of calling him an uppity n*gger? I suppose this type of racism is to be expected from a man who fought tooth and nail to keep Martin Luther King's birthday from becoming a holiday.
Posted by Heartsick at 07/31/2008 @ 11:16am
What I think is funny is this American Hero business. There are certain words I don't like, not because of the word itself but because of it's common misuse, genius and hero are two of the biggest ones. When I think of a hero, I think of someone who went above and beyond the call of duty, not someone who got unlucky. In the military when I think of a hero, I think of the person who ran back into a fire fight in order to get his people out alive. I think of the person who sacrifices himself in order to save others. I think of the person who takes a bullet for his friend.
Getting shot down is not being heroic, it is having bad luck. Is the postal worker who gets hit by a bus while doing their job a hero? McCain having been shot down is an unfortunate side effect of the career of a pilot. He got UNLUCKY. Him being captured is not heroic, it's unlucky.
Him staying behind with his friends is semi-heroic. However when you judge the action, also judge the situation. Since he was the son of military brass he was treated better than anyone else in there. It wasn't the Hilton but he was certainly eating and sleeping better than anyone else. It took a little bit more than the normal person to decide to stay however it isn't as heroic as some purport it to be. It would have been more heroic for him to give the military information on where to find the camps he was held in and then help lead a raid to bust out his friends.
It was not heroic of him to capitulate and give not only information to the enemy but also to do propaganda ads for the enemy.
If you want to see what true heros are look to the fire fighters who run back into a burning building when they know they shouldn't in order to save a woman. Look to the police officers who run into a fire fight in order to save an innocent bystander. Look to the soldiers who risk their lives to save the civilians who were caught in the battle zone. Look to the soldiers who risk their lives to save their friends. That is heroism. What happened to John McCain was bad luck just like that postal worker who got hit by the bus.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 11:26am
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 11:26am
Well put. By the way, your service in the military would constitute you as a hero, not just what you did then, but what you continue to do now for disabled veterans.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 07/31/2008 @ 11:38am
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 07/31/2008 @ 11:38am
www.huffingtonpost.com
"While no one would argue that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are stretching the Department of Veterans Affairs' resources close to the breaking point, Sen. McCain's suggestion yesterday that we ration veterans' health care to "concentrate" on people with wounds that "are a direct result of combat" is dangerously wrongheaded.
The stress of repeated 15-month deployments is taking an unprecedented toll on our soldiers' mental health and thousands of soldiers are coming home with PTSD as a result of living for extended periods in a combat zone under constant threat of enemy fire. Is Senator McCain suggesting that we can't afford to give them benefits?
These wars are the first to be waged in large numbers by a new generation of brave women - but 15 percent of our women soldiers that served on the front lines who walk into a VA facility screen positive for military sexual trauma. Is Senator McCain suggesting that we can't afford to give them benefits?
Senator McCain's campaign did not return calls for comment about his statement, but these are questions he must answer. All veterans respect John McCain's service -- if he too respects ours, he should not be suggesting that we shortchange our soldiers with non-combat injuries who have served with such honor and dignity."
Lt. General Robert G. Gard Jr. (USA, Ret.) is the steering committee chairman of Vets for Obama. Visit their official site or join them on Facebook.
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/31/2008 @ 11:49am
Well put. By the way, your service in the military would constitute you as a hero, not just what you did then, but what you continue to do now for disabled veterans. Posted by Wolfgang1 at 07/31/2008 @ 11:38am
I don't consider everyone who served in the military a hero. Many who serve in the military do not go in with such self-less causes as patriotism. Some of them go in just because it's their only access to an education.
If everyone in the military is a hero, then everyone in Blackwater is a hero also. They do essentially the same job and they both serve the country just the same.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 11:59am
Well put. By the way, your service in the military would constitute you as a hero, not just what you did then, but what you continue to do now for disabled veterans. Posted by Wolfgang1 at 07/31/2008 @ 11:38am
Also, many in the military having commited many unheroic acts. Heroism doesn't come from joining. It comes from what you DO and your reasons for doing it.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 12:00pm
Well put. By the way, your service in the military would constitute you as a hero, not just what you did then, but what you continue to do now for disabled veterans. Posted by Wolfgang1 at 07/31/2008 @ 11:38am
Those who join for the reason of protecting their countrymen and helping people around the world, those are the heros.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 12:01pm
what an ugly game of chess!
two enormous rows of pawns
in wheelchairs, prozac,
and body bags.
two kings,
one white, one blackish.
two queens,
one sudsy, the other hidden.
the bishops,
angry and bigoted.
the knights,
weary.
the rooks,
collapsing.
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 12:05pm
FrankGrits is putting far more effort into promoting McCain than he did promoting Hillary which means that he is,either,the secret GOP operative that he said most everyone else was or getting attention for his tantrum is more important to him than getting Hillary votes was.
Posted by i'm nobody at 07/31/2008 @ 12:17pm
I'm not surprised to see FrankGrits promoting the idea that politicians should visit wounded troops in order to get votes.That shows his true views about the troops,wounded or otherwise.They are something to use for political gain.
Posted by i'm nobody at 07/31/2008 @ 12:20pm
Also, many in the military having commited many unheroic acts. Heroism doesn't come from joining. It comes from what you DO and your reasons for doing it.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 12:00pm
I agree. I served in the military for multiple reasons. One was that I couldn't find a decent job. Another was that I thought I might be able to get an education. Another was that I thought one should fight for his / her country. You know the old, ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country slogan by JFK.
People join the military for all types of reasons. Being a hero in a lot of cases is a situation choosing the would be hero. Either they act, or they don't act. One guy from WWII was a decorated war hero and he said, "I wasn't trying to be a hero, I was trying to save our asses. We were surrounded so I just kept firing until they went away".
Publicizing ones war record to gain political office is not what a war hero would do as McCain has done. He's quick to wrap himself in the flag on one hand and then vote to screw physically or mentally injured veterans over to keep his constituents happy. Very un-hero like.
P.S. And we won't even get into the Blackwater massacres of innocent civilians or our soldiers raping that 14 year old girl and then killing her and her whole family.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 07/31/2008 @ 12:23pm
Well of course you are wrong and I disagree with just about everything you say here. You don't know me at all.
Posted by frankgrits at 07/31/2008 @ 12:11pm
Of course we disagree hammerhead, your a damn rethug posting repug propaganda. What, you think people here aren't going to call you on it?
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 07/31/2008 @ 12:25pm
Dillweed. Whether that poll is accurate or not is beside the point.----Posted by frankgrits at 07/31/2008 @ 12:15pm
No, FRANK, the poll is EXACTLY the point.
Your Limbaugh/Fox talking point ...bombed.
Just like the "new nasty McCain" is bombing (even with his own friends like John Weaver).
And as I noted, while LVLIB, PONTI, etc. will move on to the NEXT talking point from Rush, Sean, or Michael Savage...
you, dope that you are, will keep hammering away at it, despite the fact that the SAME NUMBER of people who believe it....is the SAME NUMBER of people who still support Dubya!
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/31/2008 @ 12:30pm
Well you see yong man, this is where we differ greatly. I consider ANYONE who dons the uniform of the U.S. Military and serves in a hostile environment a hero.----Posted by frankgrits at 07/31/2008 @ 12:21pm
Bet I can get FRANK to change his mind on that...
"While no one would argue that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are stretching the Department of Veterans Affairs' resources close to the breaking point, Sen. McCain's suggestion yesterday that we ration veterans' health care to "concentrate" on people with wounds that "are a direct result of combat" is dangerously wrongheaded.
The stress of repeated 15-month deployments is taking an unprecedented toll on our soldiers' mental health and thousands of soldiers are coming home with PTSD as a result of living for extended periods in a combat zone under constant threat of enemy fire. Is Senator McCain suggesting that we can't afford to give them benefits?
These wars are the first to be waged in large numbers by a new generation of brave women - but 15 percent of our women soldiers that served on the front lines who walk into a VA facility screen positive for military sexual trauma. Is Senator McCain suggesting that we can't afford to give them benefits?
Senator McCain's campaign did not return calls for comment about his statement, but these are questions he must answer. All veterans respect John McCain's service -- if he too respects ours, he should not be suggesting that we shortchange our soldiers with non-combat injuries who have served with such honor and dignity.
Lt. General Robert G. Gard Jr. (USA, Ret.) is the steering committee chairman of Vets for Obama.
www.huffingtonpost.com
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/31/2008 @ 12:33pm
Posted by frankgrits at 07/31/2008 @ 12:21pm
So are Blackwater troops heroes?
"Well you see yong man, this is where we differ greatly. I consider ANYONE who dons the uniform of the U.S. Military and serves in a hostile environment a hero. To try to diminish their service and sacrifice makes you look very bad. Please reconsider. Posted by frankgrits at 07/31/2008 @ 12:21pm"
Stupid comments like this.
"To try to diminish their service and sacrifice makes you look very bad. "
Specifically this part.
"Well you see yong man,"
And this "I'm a condecending, egotistical, idiot"
Part right here.
Are what make you look bad. You don't even begin to understand what a hero is. You bandy the word about and give it little meaning. You insult the people who have TRULY sacrificed for others. You sully the names of the people who have given life or limb to save the lives of others. By your definition all those people serving in Blackwater are heroes because they go and fight for the US. So what if they are getting paid oodles of money for it, they are serving the United States.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 12:37pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/31/2008 @ 12:30pm |
Frank doesn't even realize that he is now playing with the 27% of Hard Right Republicans who think Bush is doing a bang up job.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 12:40pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/31/2008 @ 12:30pm |
Anyone who is half way intelligent would have realized that it would have garnered Obama more positive press had he gone in despite the Pentagon's wants. If he would have gone in there without cameras everyone would be saying right now "Oh look he cares more for our country than his campaign, I should vote for him." Which would have made it just as political as if he had gone in WITH cameras. Instead he chose the only non-political path there was, walk away and don't use these soldiers to boost your polling.
But then Frank doesn't seem to be privy to the nuances of intelligence lately.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 12:42pm
Frank doesn't even realize that he is now playing with the 27% of Hard Right Republicans who think Bush is doing a bang up job.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 12:40pm
Oh, yes he does realize this. Keep in mind who he is the big supporter of. Bill and Hillary Clinton are pretty much republicans. They may be liberal rethugs, but they helped big business out more than than Joe 6 pack, they just didn't hurt Joe 6 pack as bad as neocons like W and now McInsane.
You've got to be in your fifties if not early sixties right CCC? Franky is getting cranky in his very old age.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 07/31/2008 @ 12:48pm
If he HAD gone in without the cameras Frank would be saying exactly what he said about the Iraq visits, that they were still just about politics and that he is using this nations military as a political machines. Even though his Iraq hospital visits and Walter Reed hospital visits were in secret.
Once again Frank proves that he doesn't give a damn about WHAT Obama does. He is just looking for something to criticize him about. No matter which path Obama chooses to use Frank will criticize him for it. To Frank Obama can do no right even if he does the right thing. Which is why I ask do people like Frank's opinions really matter? He isn't in this looking for the better person to lead this country, otherwise he would look at both candidates objectively instead of approaching one candidate as if he had a vendetta to fill. He is in this to fulfill his lust.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 12:48pm
You've got to be in your fifties if not early sixties right CCC? Franky is getting cranky in his very old age. Posted by Wolfgang1 at 07/31/2008 @ 12:48pm
I'm 21. He chooses to point that out repeatedly because he feel it somehow takes away from my argument. Never realizing it just makes him look like more of a condescending egotist. At the same time it makes him look more juvenile because he can't out think someone 20 years younger than him.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 1:08pm
I'm 21. He chooses to point that out repeatedly because he feel it somehow takes away from my argument. Never realizing it just makes him look like more of a condescending egotist. At the same time it makes him look more juvenile because he can't out think someone 20 years younger than him.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 1:08pm
Sorry, my old age is setting in. I thought you were someone else. It thought you were the guy who was the medic in Vietnam who had lost a leg in the process of active duty and then went on to help out disabled veterans.
That aside, I still agree with what you say no matter what your age is. If anything, younger people think more clearly and are less set in their ways.
As I get older, I look at what my generation and my parent's generation has done to this country and I feel really bad for your generation and my duaghters' generation. The mess you and they will be sorting through is growing by the day. Quite frankly, I think we've made such a mess that it may never be cleaned up again.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 07/31/2008 @ 1:16pm
How long will FrankGrits persist in his desire to have politicians use our wounded troops for political gain?Will he ever start to care about those wounded troops or will he continue to use them in order to spew immature propaganda?
Posted by i'm nobody at 07/31/2008 @ 1:23pm
can we finally get rid of this GOP garbage?? kick mcsame to the curb, like all the sex predator gop congressmen and indicted criminal republic senators..all slime and scumbags...do they represent YOU?????
if all intelligent people in this country could somehow make it through TSA, pass gitmo and iraq, and make it somewhere else to escape this cesspool,due to unfair extradition agreements, europe will probably send us back.....we made our bed, now lie in your stinking detritus of s h i t of a mcbush govt!!!!!
if mcbush trash and swill and vitriolic regurgitations of a decrepit old Cold War era windbag can STILL sway ignoramuses, we ALL deserve what we get!!!!
let the REAL mcbush stand up..with your angry outburst, psychological issues brought up by dubya in 2000...I can tell from mcbush threatening to draft teens who question him, he is still very unstable!!!!! he gets almost everything wrong, from geography to world leaders...to not knowing what email is.....does he represent YOU???????
Posted by jrs112 at 07/31/2008 @ 1:25pm
Again, CCC, Wolf, only ONE thing to ever keep in the back of your mind about FRANK...
it's about Hillary and "avenging her"
"Her pleas of support for Obama will fall on deaf ears. We will bide our time util November when we will avenge her."---Posted by frankgrits at 06/3/2008
Not McCain...not palling around with LVLIB or HAPPY....not spouting off Limbaugh talking points...
it's whatever even REMOTELY sounds like it could get McCain elected, so that SHE will have her LAST (and it would be) shot at the title in 2012.
Nothing else matters.
And FG will show his well-proven intellect the whole way....i.e. long after even the Usual Right-Wing Suspects have moved onto the NEXT "Obama scandal" in August, September, etc. FRANK will be still bringing THIS up.
Mostly because it plays to his self-described "love for the military" (except when it's Lt. General Gard of course...see above...or any military leader who supports Obama over McCain)...
and partially because he's still convinced of his own importance and "turn to" admiration on this cite for his "political insight".
Mix ego...and a strong dash of cult of HRC personality...and that's the sum total of "NEW FRANKGRITS". Period!
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/31/2008 @ 1:25pm
BTW, again....
CNN polling shows that 27% of Americans think Obama disrespected the troops in Germany.
And actually Bush has a 28% approval rating, so there is atleast one percent of the BUSH supporters who don't buy that crap to join the rest of the 72%!
heheh
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/31/2008 @ 1:28pm
what a sham and outright liar and scumbag mcbush is....he would ignore all vets while promoting sending more to some useless war for oil and personal greed..what a two faced flip flopper....can anybody name ONE issue which mcbush has NOT flipped on????
anything??? from energy to affirmative action...mcsame hasn't a CLUE about anything....
God forbid a world leader actually uses modern technology to communicate!!!!
but bottom line: we are turning into a thirld world country with our current two-bit illiterate despot...
at least other tyrants are educated and actually give a S )(*% about their OWN citizens!!!!!
from one day to another, mcpain changes his mind.....what a total f()*&% scumbag and liar......just like idiot in charge......THEY ARE THE SAME...even now Bush is trying to COPY Obama's plan for starting to talk to IRAN even WHILE bush/mcbush i.e. Dumb and Dumber attack him for the SAME THING!!!!!! F(&(*{^^ morons!!!!!!!!!
Posted by jrs112 at 07/31/2008 @ 1:29pm
Will Frank ever post an honest post?Unlikely.
Posted by i'm nobody at 07/31/2008 @ 1:32pm
Posted by frankgrits at 07/31/2008 @ 1:
FRANK, check out Christopher Hayes "Capitolism" post on "Damned if He Does".
Oh, and folks, don't buy FRANK's "win/win...McCain or Obama" rationalization....nobody sounds like Sean Hannity if he "wins either way" in November.
Just more of FG trying to build a little CYA if Obama wins.
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/31/2008 @ 1:33pm
Also, if he served as he said he has, there's a good chance he served in Iraq. Is that correct CC? Posted by frankgrits at 07/31/2008 @ 1:26pm
I never said I served. I have a cousin who served. I thought about serving but decided that wasn't the path for me.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 1:42pm
http://tinyurl.com/6469rm
You are a fool frank. Why don't you check the facts before. He had admirable intention no matter how much you try to paint it negatively.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 1:44pm
Posted by frankgrits at 07/31/2008 @ 1:19p
Actually no. It makes me look like someone who can objectively step back and look at something. It also makes me someone who knows the English language and knows the etymology of words. I don't take words like hero and genius lightly. You have to have done something great to deserve both. Being unlucky enough to get shot down is not heroic.
"maybe you should read his biograpyh or read the words of some of the guys who stayed at the Hanoi Hilton with him"
This is what is funny. You read the words of McCain and his buddies yet you choose to ignore the words of those who blame the fire on the Forrestall on McCain. If the words of the people serving around him are as true as you point out then McCain is responsible for all the deaths and injuries aboard the Foresstall. But then you can snub the people who say he is responsible for the fire because they don't agree with YOUR perception of the facts. You don't care what is being said and you don't approach anything objectively. All you care for is to tear down Obama. No matter what the truth is.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 1:48pm
FrankGrits has said some nasty things about McCain in the past,but is now pretending to be Mr. Military.The fact that Frank uses wounded troops for political purposes proves that he does not respect them or care about them and his statement that he is done with you means that you got him and he can't think of any intelligent response so he will ignore you,like a child does..
Posted by i'm nobody at 07/31/2008 @ 1:52pm
And you've got the nerve to critisize heroes? I'm done with you. Posted by frankgrits at 07/31/2008 @ 1:46pm
Haha. You're a ridiculous human being frank. If you are done with me then good riddance. I will continue to criticize the inane vitriol that comes out of your hands. And expose you for the juvenile liar you are.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 1:52pm
90% of Europeans favor Obama while only 10% favor McSame....
3/4 of troops ROUTINELY say this war is a mistake WHILE they are still in Iraq....and bush now allowing felons to serve probably explains all military atrocities towards Iraqis.....nothing excuses it...and bush should be held accountable for war crimes...he cannot try to delegate this out to petraueus or some other future "brownie"....
bush keeps extending tours so vets can't come back and tell the truth...if they do, they get dishonorably discharged or "disappeared" or have an accident immediately upon going back, like the ten ton military vehicle which somehow all of a sudden overturned on two outspoken soldiers in the first days they went back to iraq....NOBODY gives a S H I T!!!!!!look it up...
mysterious explosions on the same day in illinois and atlanta georgia in crowded shopping centers...no MSM even reported this....look it up!!!!!!!!
these stories get stifled so americans won't see what our govt is both capable of and what a total utter failure our torturing of innocents without any trial has been and actually of how less safe Bush has made us by attacking a non-aggressor country for oil!!!!!!!
how about the "select" parents "chosen" to interview who lost their child(ren) in iraq and still support the war....this is total and utter bullshit and it is inconceivable and flies in the face of all logic.......just for this, they should all be impeached by using parents to BOLSTER support...this is cowardly and unethical.....america in the past never was apathetic enough to allow this....we are a bunch of slovenly jerk-offs now....letting this happen....without moral outrage....
We have become inured to any guilt....and do not see or experience mass starvation in sudan, exodus of millions from iraq who are homeless...
Since the first days of the war, the media has been banned from taking actual pictures of actual conditions in iraq and americans are too stupid to notice!!!! bush is now banning protests on the washington mall....my city took busloads there to protest last year and a lot got arrested and NOTHING HAPPENED!!!! except for, of course, bush now banning any future protests!!!! and America closed its' eyes.....
Do americans realize how your taxes are funding a right-wing christian mercenary black ops group called blackwater against your will and the Constitution???
this group (and a few others) even took over N.O. after katrina...armed private militia patrolling american streets...it is like red dawn but our own govt fighting us.....
after bush, christianity is a farce and a crutch to be used to subvert the right of law and abuse people's rights for "patriotic" jingoism.....but let's make sure we just hate everybody else in the entire world for no good reason other than they conserved resources while we continue to squander ours.....
Some windbag keeps on carrying on about "avenging" hillary...Do you live in NY State? Do you know how little hrc has done??? it is well-known she is on walmart board and couldn't care for any individual citizens...but that is just the tip of the iceberg....
If you live in NY State, you would realize there are a lot of pressing concerns affecting this state and hillary has done NOTHING to address any of them...other senators have at least responded.....most currently relating to energy, eminent domain, etc.....and the actual survival of many upstate smaller towns....of course, HRC did come up THREE times while campaigning when she first moved here, but since then....she couldn't care less!!!!! Her campaign HQ was even in some rich enclave on long island....if you want to see who is out of touch and/or elitist, hrc could definitely fare well against both mcbush and obama.....
don't start a fight you have already lost by defending somebody you don't know anything about except what the MSM tells you.....unless you are a fool......
vote for mcbush, I couldn't care less....whatever happens, happens....if you like war that much, why are you still here and not overseas defending our country in such an "honorable" war the poor and out of work in this country are now fighting....
I don't see any senator's kids over there.....even prince harry fought but then got recalled after some photo ops....when it got too "dangerous"....
Of course, everybody remembers HRCs lies about landing in a "war zone"...etc.....lies, and damned lies...
Can we please hurry up and swiftboat this moron mcbush like gop did to kerry??
Both served honorably....Is everybody too afraid of mcbush??? even before he is president?? I can really see how he would honor americans' rights after he is president if we can't even question all his lies now!!!!!!
Neither the majority of our own troops nor the rest of the world agrees with us on our foreign social utopian experiment...but we never let that stop us before!!!!
Posted by jrs112 at 07/31/2008 @ 1:53pm
from one day to another, mcpain changes his mind.....what a total f()*&% scumbag and liar......just like idiot in charge......THEY ARE THE SAME...even now Bush is trying to COPY Obama's plan for starting to talk to IRAN even WHILE bush/mcbush i.e. Dumb and Dumber attack him for the SAME THING!!!!!! F(&(*{^^ morons!!!!!!!!!
Posted by jrs112 at 07/31/2008 @ 1:29pm
Well put, though you didn't call them enough names!! LOL
P.S. I think I may have confused CCC with i'm nobody. MASK, help me out here. You have every conversation memorized, categorized and stored in some vast database somewhere in your basement. Help.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 07/31/2008 @ 1:54pm
his statement that he is done with you means that you got him and he can't think of any intelligent response so he will ignore you,like a child does.. Posted by i'm nobody at 07/31/2008 @ 1:52pm
I know. He doesn't have his McCain talking points for the day. Just like with Hillary he can't think for himself. So he just latches on to one talking point and repeats it over and over. If you push him outside of that he won't be able to think for himself. Maybe he is googling the McCain talking points right now?
Frank I have a question for you if you don't have me on ignore.
What will McCain do positive for this nation? Irrespective of ending the Iraq war with a "victory", whatever that means. What will he do for our slumping economy? What will he do for our environment? What will he do to improve education standards? What makes McCain so great, and I don't feel like hearing about his military record I want to know what POLICIES make him the better choice.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 1:57pm
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 07/31/2008 @ 1:16pm
i've come to realize there are no generations.
sure more kids are born some years than others (much like cicadas),
but there's always a grade one class and there's always a grade nine class and there's always sophmores at university.
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 1:59pm
Ccc-Frank might tell you that he has you on ignore,but don't believe him.He would be way too curious to actually put anyone on ignore.
Posted by i'm nobody at 07/31/2008 @ 2:00pm
he gets almost everything wrong, from geography to world leaders.......does he represent YOU???????
Posted by jrs112 at 07/31/2008 @ 1:25pm
unfortunately, those "qualities" are very common amongst voters....
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 2:00pm
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 07/31/2008 @ 1:54pm
What'd I do? I mean I make a lot of stupid comments so someone should be angry at me about something by now.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 2:01pm
even now Bush is trying to COPY Obama's plan for starting to talk to IRAN
Posted by jrs112 at 07/31/2008 @ 1:29pm
gotta lower those gas prices for election day.
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 2:03pm
what two things made the 20th "america's century"?
oil and debt.
what two things have the potential to destroy america in the 21st?
oil and debt.
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 2:04pm
FrankGrits has said some nasty things about McCain in the past...---Posted by i'm nobody at 07/31/2008 @ 1:52pm
Here's one of them (and, note, another time he agrees with Limbaugh!)-
"As for John McCain, well this is one instance where I agree with Limbaugh. He doesn't have the temperment to be president. He flip-flops all over the place and his stay at the Hanoi Hilton affected him in an 'emotionally unstable' way."-----Posted by frankgrits at 04/27/2007
BTW...another FG hypocrisy moment-
"After the last six years, the stakes are way too high to let personal feelings impede productivity for the progressive cause."----Posted by FRANKGRITS 06/21/2007 @ 12:15pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/31/2008 @ 2:06pm
Mask-We will have to change Franks name to Flipper since he is the most flip flopping human on the planet.
Posted by i'm nobody at 07/31/2008 @ 2:08pm
Sorry wingies but you flunked that test.
I'll ask the question more simply.
If the right wing ,
that is RIGHT WING machine thought McCain was unfit to be President in 2000.
as evidenced on all the hate talk shows and the Drudge Report,
why is he mentally stable now?
it's really a simple question.
Please don't spin or obfuscate.
Posted by FRANKGRITS 05/23/2006 @ 5:27pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 2:11pm
I'm really curious about the real reason for taking Saddam out and inflaming the passions of the terrorists. Especially since Saddam's rull was a check on Iran. The evidence shows that there was no connection to Al Qaeda and there were no WMD's so why was this war started? WE DEFINITELY ARE NOT SAFER FOR IT.
Posted by FRANKGRITS 09/10/2006 @ 11:58pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 2:13pm
Katrina, Until the rules are changed, democrats would be foolish to ignore the lobbyists and fatcats. Why allow republicans to benefit from the largesse? Get power first, real power, and then change the rules.
Posted by FRANKGRITS 09/05/2007 @ 7:31pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 2:14pm
The 2008 election season officially starts today. It's going to be a long, strange trip.
Posted by frankgrits at 11/07/2007 @ 5:54pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 2:17pm
TA DA!!!!!!
to whit:
I don't know about you wingies. In 2000, you said John McCain was mentally unstable because of his captivity during his Viet Nam years, couldn't control his temper. Heard it everyday on Limbaugh while the republicans were annointing Dubya. You also said he had a black baby. Heard that one every day too. So tell me wingies. Who, in your eyes is the real John Mccain. Don't you still believe that someone who is mentally unstable and is so immoral as to have a black baby with his white wife in not Presidential material? Why have you changed your minds wingies. You're so confusing.
Posted by frankgrits at 05/22/2006
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 2:19pm
You're so confusing. Posted by FRANKGRITS 05/22/2006 @ 11:26pm
Can I get an honest answer from just one of you wingers. Is the question too hard?
Posted by frankgrits at 05/23/2006
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 2:21pm
I know it's a hard question but at least give it a try.
Posted by frankgrits at 05/23/2006
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 2:22pm
I wonder where Dubya gets his advice from. Joe Lieberman maybe?
Posted by frankgrits at 05/23/2006 @ 10:45pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 2:24pm
TA DA DA DA DEE DA!!!!!!!
to whittier:
WHY IN GOD'S NAME WOULD ANYONE WANT TO VOTE REPUBLICAN AFTER SIX YEARS OF THIS NONSENSE.
TURNS OUT, AMERICA IS REALLY A STUPID COUNTRY.
STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.
POSTED BY FRANKGRITS AT 10/23/2006 @ 7:50PM
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 2:27pm
as for McCain, well how could he back Bush and still be thought of as credible.
He's ruined his political career.
Posted by frankgrits at 05/19/2006 @ 8:01pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 2:34pm
These are the kind of people that John McCain is sucking up tp now. Next President? I predict he doesn't even get past the primaries.
Posted by frankgrits at 05/19/2006 @ 9:28pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 2:35pm
DRHAMMER, That's because he thought he {mccain} could bullshit them just like he bullshitted the kids at Falwell's school. He made a huge mistake. The kids at new School were way to intelligent to fall for the bullshit.
Posted by frankgrits at 05/22/2006 @ 11:46am
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 2:37pm
hmmmmm?
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 2:39pm
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 11:26am
I couldn't agree more. On September 11, 2001, 343 of the FDNY's finest lost their lives trying to save those trapped in the towers. They were heroes. John McCain, who still deserves great respect for his service to our nation, is not.
We should not be letting the media hijack our perspective.
Posted by drhammer at 07/31/2008 @ 2:44pm
Christopher Hayes, from this site, today:
"This is really great. Remember how the McCain campaign hit Obama for not visiting the wounded troops? Turns out:
What the McCain campaign doesn't want people to know, according to one GOP strategist I spoke with over the weekend, is that they had an ad script ready to go if Obama had visited the wounded troops saying that Obama was...wait for it...using wounded troops as campaign props. So, no matter which way Obama turned, McCain had an Obama bashing ad ready to launch. I guess that's political hardball. But another word for it is the one word that most politicians are loathe to use about their opponents--a lie.
All campaigns are a little dishonest, but (the) McCain campaign is really outdoing itself."
(Keep up the good work, Frank...)
Posted by drhammer at 07/31/2008 @ 2:55pm
FROSTY...
Oh....my....God!
ROFLMAO! Geez Louise, those were CLASSIC and I never had them (until now, thanks to the "Copy" feature on Edit).
These two are perfect...let's repeat it (especially as FRANK claims that he was "always for McCain, if it wasn't Hillary") or makes another of his "McCain's got the Big Mo" predictions--
"These are the kind of people that John McCain is sucking up tp now. Next President? I predict he doesn't even get past the primaries."----Posted by frankgrits at 05/19/2006 @ 9:28pm
"as for McCain, well how could he back Bush and still be thought of as credible. He's ruined his political career."---Posted by frankgrits at 05/19/2006 @ 8:01pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/31/2008 @ 3:01pm
"As for John McCain, well this is one instance where I agree with Limbaugh. He doesn't have the temperment to be president. He flip-flops all over the place and his stay at the Hanoi Hilton affected him in an 'emotionally unstable' way."-----Posted by frankgrits at 04/27/2007
What a terrible thing to say about a brave veteran.
This person must really hate our military.
Posted by drhammer at 07/31/2008 @ 3:02pm
Posted by drhammer at 07/31/2008 @ 2:55pm
FRANK left before that thread got up and running (it's been moved down now by "Six Little Words")...
but LOVED to have seen how FG would have spun that and why he's outraged at Obama not visiting the troops in Germany, but if ordered by McCain and the GOP, he would have been outraged if Obama DID visit the troops in Germany!
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/31/2008 @ 3:03pm
I couldn't agree more. On September 11, 2001, 343 of the FDNY's finest lost their lives trying to save those trapped in the towers. They were heroes. John McCain, who still deserves great respect for his service to our nation, is not. We should not be letting the media hijack our perspective. Posted by drhammer at 07/31/2008 @ 2:44pm
You highlight my point so well. I don't disrespect those who serve in our military however I think it is disrespectful toward the people who rushed back into those towers, giving their lives to try to get as many people out as possible, to call someone who has done no more or less than their duty an American hero. You are a hero if you go above and beyond the call of duty. Rushing back into a tower to save innocent peoples lives is heroic. Serving in the military is something to be respected for but not to be called a hero for.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 3:04pm
Posted by drhammer at 07/31/2008 @ 3:02pm
Keeper for THAT next FG talking point....attack McCain? "You hate the military"--FG
"Er,uh, unless it was before Hillary lost the primaries... back in April of 2007, that is!"---FG
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/31/2008 @ 3:06pm
What happened to John McCain was bad luck just like that postal worker who got hit by the bus.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 11:26am |
The fact that you have not served renders you unqualified to comment on McCain or others in the military as heroes in my opinion
Posted by lvliberty1 at 07/31/2008 @ 3:10pm
I used to think that *.msk's obsession with the retrieval of archived posts was a tad over the top.
But thanks to today's contributions from him and the Zoomster, I am beginning to change my view.
I still have yet to figure out whether Frank is the joke or the punchline.
Posted by drhammer at 07/31/2008 @ 3:12pm
Ok then, the Two White Girls/Obama/Big Phallic Symbol/Oil ad, only has to be viewed without the sound to understand what it's getting at. See it 10 times without the sound frame by frame. Now with the sound... Get it?
SUBLIMINALLINESS
Ad McC edits
Intro:
1. spreading open the green crowd pan
2. camera flashes
3. two pop white girls (find)
4. overlay Obama walking into the crowd
5. cut to Obama lifting arm high and saying ___
6. cut to crowd all lifting arms in a fist
Meat:
1. cut to Obama reaching for the crowd
2. mix flashes to complete white frame
3. one flash blot out Obama's whole face
4. cut to Obama shaking hands
5. overlay Obama's face w/emerging phallic
6. cut to Obama next to phallic
7. from phallic enlarge: IS HE READY TO LEAD?
8. simultaneously darken sky
8. w/transparent black man in crowd on left
9. overlay to spreading open the green again
10. pan up to big phallic and turn sky yellow
11. cut to crowd and pan to Obama on podium
12. from red banners in back of crowd enlarge:
12. NO OFFSHORE DRILLING as Obama turns away
13. superimpose Obama and NO OFFSHORE
14. switch words to enlarge NEW TAXES
15. fade Obama into crowd enlarge words even more
16. pan to crowd and growing phallic
17. simultaneously enlarge NEW TAXES even more
18. turn sky red
Closing:
1. fade to Obama close-up perching lips
2. as Obama quickly turns opening his mouth
3. completely blacken the frame
4. slowly bring smiling Obama close-up
4, simultaneously with HIGHER TAXES
5. switch words to MORE FOREIGN OIL
6. fade words
6. leave big smiling Obama close-up
Epilog
1. cut to McCave graphic
2. blah blah blah
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/31/2008 @ 3:26pm
"The fact that you have not served renders you unqualified to comment on McCain or others in the military as heroes in my opinion."
Posted by lvliberty1 at 07/31/2008 @ 3:10pm
This is an interesting notion.
Have you given much thought as to the value of your own opinion in this environment?
Posted by drhammer at 07/31/2008 @ 3:26pm
The fact that you have not served renders you unqualified to comment on McCain or others in the military as heroes in my opinion
Posted by lvliberty1 at 07/31/2008 @ 3:10pm
to me,
heroics is saving the lives or health of others (or this big rock in space),
even if that includes losing one's own life in the process.
the moment of heroics is usually fleeting,
(although cesar chavez* was able to sustain his heroics for quite some time).
no one is ever a hero, always. sometimes their human form demands they be jerks.
i saved a human from drowning in the weeds (silver glen springs, google it-- god's gift to america)
a whole bunch of years ago.
do i still continue to be a hero (most humbly i would never say such a thing)
when i call darin an asshole on the chilpotle** thread?
miles said you're only as good as your last solo.....
*Chavez Day is currently a holiday in eight states: Arizona, California, Colorado, Michigan, New Mexico, Texas, Utah, and Wisconsin. [1].
** from nauhatl "chilpotl" chilli - chile pepper and potl, smoke
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 3:33pm
The fact that you have not served renders you unqualified to comment on McCain or others in the military as heroes in my opinion Posted by lvliberty1 at 07/31/2008 @ 3:10pm
Well good thing is just your opinion eh?
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 3:35pm
But thanks to today's contributions from him and the Zoomster, I am beginning to change my view. I still have yet to figure out whether Frank is the joke or the punchline.
Posted by drhammer at 07/31/2008 @ 3:12pm
i just googled <site:thenation.com frankgrits mccain 2006>
and vóïlå!
well kinda.
seems frank's old posts are scrubbed and i was "lucky" to find them in the google "cached".
they'll be gone after the next webcrawl.
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 3:36pm
The fact that you have not served renders you unqualified to comment on McCain or others in the military as heroes in my opinion Posted by lvliberty1 at 07/31/2008 @ 3:10pm
Also I am not commenting on the military I am commenting on the use and misuse of the word hero. A hero is someone who goes above and beyond the call of duty. Doing your job is no heroism. Being in the military like I said is something to be respected. It does not automatically make you a hero. I'm sicking people misusing our language and then claiming those damn immigrants need to learn to speak English. Most Americans barely know how to speak English. If they did terms like genius and hero would be so easily bandied about.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 3:38pm
Posted by drhammer at 07/31/2008 @ 3:26pm
LVLIB was with the Secret US Navy Seals Special Operations Tactical Intelligence Double-Secret Probation Rambo Division in 'Nam.
They nearly won the war if it wasn't for the damn lib'ruls back in the States who helped Ho Chi Minh overthrow a good honest decent man like Big Minh (mah jong king of Saigon)!
(Oh, and LVLIB has never heard of Lt. General Robert Gard, Jr. or his article on McCain and veteran's benefits!)
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/31/2008 @ 3:38pm
2. blah blah blah
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/31/2008 @ 3:26pm
that was very moving.
thank you.
don't forget to get your friends to vote, too.
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 3:39pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 3:36pm
Given they're now best buds...
wonder what you could come up with on FRANKGRITS' opinion of LVLIBERTY?
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/31/2008 @ 3:40pm
The fact that you have not served renders you unqualified to comment on McCain or others in the military as heroes in my opinion Posted by lvliberty1 at 07/31/2008 @ 3:10pm
Also I know you are probably sitting there thinking I hate everyone in the military. Like I said I respect everyone who chooses to serve. It's a hard thing to do and a hard choice to make.
Based on your guy's logic doesn't that mean that during a draft everyone who gets drafted is automatically a hero, even IF the only reason they show up is so they don't have to go to jail?
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 3:41pm
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 3:41pm
Given LVLIB's logic...DICK CHENEY, NEWT GINGRICH, RUSH LIMBAUGH, MITCH MCCONELL, FRED THOMPSON!!!!!!! are unqualified to comment on McCain or the military, aren't they?
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/31/2008 @ 3:52pm
but there's always a grade one class and there's always a grade nine class and there's always sophmores at university.
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 1:59pm
True enough Frosty, but the baby boomers (not all of us) have dramatically changed perspectives. When it was the Vietnam War, they protested and said to hell with the conventional wisdom. Now, the baby boomers are in control. Bush and the neocons in charge are mostly baby boomers.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 07/31/2008 @ 4:00pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/31/2008 @ 3:52pm
Very true.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 4:01pm
I am still trying to get my head around MASK speaking all rational-lik