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Reddit"Take it from me: Elections matter!" Al Gore shouted to the knowing cheers of the crowd that had gathered to hear the former Vice President endorse Barack Obama. "Elections matter!"
Painting the November presidential contest between Republican John McCain and Democrat Obama as one offering a stark choice between continuation of the failed policies of the past eight years and the renewal of the promise denied when the Supreme Court intervened to make George Bush President, the 2000 Democratic presidential nominee detailed the differences that divide this year's candidates on issues of war and peace, economic justice, civil liberties and even food safety.
Recalling the tainted pet foods that entered the US because of unwise trade policies, stymied regulations and lax inspections during the Bush years, the former Vice President joked, "Even our dogs and cats have learned that elections matter."
With humor, history and a good deal of passion, Gore -- who has advised Obama on climate-change issues for months -- formalized his support for the senator whose election he promised would provide America with "not only a new president, but new policies ... not only a new head of state, but a new vision."
There was no surprise in Monday night's endorsement.
No one doubted that Gore was going to back Obama for president.
It was just a matter of when.
"When" finally came Monday afternoon.
The former vice president posted the "My Endorsement" notice on his AlGore.com website. The statement from the last major Democratic figure to formally climb aboard the Obama bandwagon read:
A few hours from now I will step on stage in Detroit, Michigan to announce my support for Senator Barack Obama. From now through Election Day, I intend to do whatever I can to make sure he is elected President of the United States.
Over the next four years, we are going to face many difficult challenges -- including bringing our troops home from Iraq, fixing our economy, and solving the climate crisis. Barack Obama is clearly the candidate best able to solve these problems and bring change to America.
I've never asked members of AlGore.com to contribute to a political campaign before, but this moment and this election are too important to let pass without taking action.
That's why I am asking you to join me today in showing your support for Barack Obama by making a contribution to his campaign today: https://donate.barackobama.com/support
Over the past 18 months, Barack Obama has united a movement. He knows change does not come from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue or Capitol Hill. It begins when people stand up and take action.
With the help of millions of supporters like you, Barack Obama will bring the change we so desperately need in order to solve our country's most pressing problems.
If you've already contributed to Barack Obama's campaign, I ask that you consider making another contribution. If you haven't, please join the movement right now:
https://donate.barackobama.com/support
On the issues that matter most, Barack Obama is clearly the right choice to lead our nation.
We have a lot of work to do in the next few months to elect Barack Obama president and it begins by making a contribution to his campaign today.
The Obama camp took the endorsement from the 2000 Democratic presidential nominee very seriously. The announcement headlined the candidate's official website and the Obama campaign emailed the news to millions of supporters Monday afternoon.
Gore's warm written endorsement left open only one question. Would the line "I intend to do whatever I can to make sure he is elected President of the United States" be read as an acknowledgment that he would accept the Democratic nomination for Vice President.
Gore's appearance with Obama in Detroit on Monday night – before an enthusiastic crowd that packed the sprawling Joe Louis Arena – only fed the speculation.
The last time Obama unveiled a major endorsement, it was also in Michigan – when former Senator John Edwards appeared with the presumptive Democratic nominee in Flint last month. The Obama-Edwards appearance spurred substantial ticket talk.
But, in many senses, Gore is an even stronger vice presidential prospect than Edwards. He has far more legislative and executive-branch experience. He has global respect. He is recognized as a moral leader in the environmental debates that will be central to defining the 21st century. And no one is better positioned to unite Democrats. Always popular with the party base, the Nobel Peace Prize winner is arguably even more well-regarded now – especially with core Democratic constituencies that may still be smarting over Obama's defeat of New York Senator Hillary Clinton in the race for the party's 2008 nomination.
The notion of a former vice president or other top figure in a national political party joining a new ticket is hardly radical.
In 1980, Ronald Reagan seriously considered -- and almost agreed to -- selecting former President Gerald Ford, who had also served as vice president, to a GOP unity ticket. In 1964, there was much talk about making United Nations Ambassador Adlai Stevenson, who had twice been the Democratic nominee for president, Lyndon Johnson's running mate.
In Gore's case, the argument for ticket speculation is even stronger than it was for Ford or Stevenson.
After all, Ford and Stevenson were both defeated in their runs for the presidency.
Gore, on the other hand, won the popular vote for president in 2000.
And the bitter experience of being denied the office that a clear plurality of Americans wanted him to occupy has taught the former vice president the essential lesson of American politics: "Elections matter."
Gore understanding of that fact could make him an invaluable addition to an Obama-led ticket.
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Did I call it or what?
Gore, like Edwards, is coming too little too late. He'll be great for fundraising and campaigning purposes but that's about it. And selecting Gore would be making the same mistake if Obama selected Hillary: he is a tie to the past, including the mistakes of the Clinton administration. Obama needs a clean break and to stand on his own two feet.
Posted by yutsano at 06/16/2008 @ 11:25am
i hear gore is getting the nod for bacon czar.
Posted by frosty zoom at 06/16/2008 @ 12:22pm
Obviously if Al accepts the nod and the new con repubs get trounced horribly in November-- all the posted negativity here towards Al will all be taken back... BWAHahahah-- NOT.
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/16/2008 @ 12:27pm
The last I saw Al's positives were better than all the other possible candidates sans Barack's. However Al may have better ones or passed since the attacks on Barack started a few months ago.
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/16/2008 @ 12:31pm
hsuBfools
but all those icky things from the clinton admin.
he was there.
Posted by frosty zoom at 06/16/2008 @ 12:39pm
Obama needs a clean break and to stand on his own two feet.
Posted by yutsano at 06/16/2008 | ignore this person | warn this person
yep. obama already onboard for global warming and so is mccain.....no vp nod, but his endorsement doesn't hurt....though where the hell were you Al? waiting for the coast to clear is not the hallmark of anyone we should be comfortable with as vp - and yes, those ties to Clinton administration are ties that bind.
maybe al will get some cushy appointment somewhere - hmmmmmm..........lots of house cleaning to do after Bush departs...heads gonna be rolling right and left thank goodness. Course those heads that do roll likely already got a job lined up with the very same folks they were supposed to regulate... but hey....thats politics....can't feel bad for them.
Posted by OneVote at 06/16/2008 @ 12:45pm
Gore's still around? I guess I'll keep my Bush 2000 sticker on my pick-up, alongside:
Socialism Is Not The Answer
The U.N. is UN-American
This Area Is A Pinko Free Zone
Proud to Be A Carbon Bigfoot
Kiss My Ozone Hole
and...
Finish the Job: No Terrorist Victory in Iraq
Keep Working, Millions on Welfare Depend on You
Fight Global Warming: Turn on the A/C
Global Warming is caused by the Sun
Free Iraq!
Posted by winyahn at 06/16/2008 @ 12:56pm
Gore, seems like a decent pick to me. Now that he's irrevocably the champion on global warming in American politics, McCain wouldn't be able to even pretend he's got good green policies. Not only that, Al Gore could make global warming central to the debate fairly easily, and keep it away from debates on national security which tend to start hyper masculine and get worse. Hell, he might even drag Obamas policies into greener zones.
Posted by shadow master at 06/16/2008 @ 1:40pm
dunno,
mr. gore was pretty hawkish regarding iraq.
Posted by frosty zoom at 06/16/2008 @ 1:41pm
I know the actual names of who will be on the real "dream ticket" for Obama...
1) Obama and 2) Whomever he chooses.
Democrats, you remind me of that old book called, "Been Down So Long It Looks Like Up To Me" by Richard Farina. You dissipate your good energy on pointless discussion and exude a lack of confidence. The one thing successful athletes have in common is concentrating on the win, not focusing on the fear of losing. This is how Hillary lost, by acting as if Obama HAD to be attacked instead of putting forth her positives.
Posted by hrayovac at 06/16/2008 @ 2:01pm
Posted by winyahn at 06/16/2008 | ignore this person | warn this person
On your pickup? How come those stickers aren't on the Hummer you're driving in Iraq? I'm sure the Army will let you decorate it in that manner, or pretty much any manner you choose. You are driving a Hummer in Iraq, right, Mr. Bad-Ass? You have volunteered for duty in Iraq, right, Mr. Brave Keyboard Warrior? Or are we going to correctly assume that you're just another loud-mouthed chicken hawk coward, without the balls or decency to put his ass on the line for the bile that he spews. Because you certainly talk a good talk, don't you? But it seems your walk is, well, just a tad on the pathetic side. Just another coward on the right!
Posted by jmusolino at 06/16/2008 @ 2:28pm
On my Prius actually. All covered with:
The Left is Right
The Right is Wrong
WAR IS TERRORISM
If you cut off my reproductive choice, can I cut off yours?
Jesus Was A Liberal
Support Our Troops By Telling The Truth
Uninformed People Elect Uninformed Presidents
WHEN BILL CLINTON LIED NO ONE DIED
Can't We Just Laugh Him Out of Office?
and a sleeper...
-----> If Bush Could Talk - He'd Still Be Lying
Posted by winyahn at 06/16/2008 @ 3:05pm
Al Gore has already been Vice President, so he knows what that job entails. He also knows that his current job as worldwide global warming guru is a whole lot better. I would place the probability of his accepting the VP slot if it is offered at under 5%.
Posted by robgo2 at 06/16/2008 @ 3:50pm
Add in the fact he second chaired to Bubba for eight years and tied his political fortunes to him irrevocably and his odds of going through that for ANOTHER eight years are minimal at best.
Posted by yutsano at 06/16/2008 @ 4:17pm
Thanks, Al Gore... nice speech!
If only you had been that eloquent... that moving... that charismatic... eight years ago.
Posted by ttr at 06/16/2008 @ 5:06pm
dunno,
mr. gore was pretty hawkish regarding iraq.
Posted by frosty zoom at 06/16/2008
Al was against changing the Clinton doctrine from the get go... it's containment stupid. Ripped hsuB a new big one.
http://tinyurl.com/hvlac
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/gore-iraq-bush/
http://tinyurl.com/4tv4w8
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/01/16/gore.constitution/
http://tinyurl.com/7crtw
http://tinyurl.com/3grbg3
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/16/2008 @ 5:36pm
hsuBfools
but all those icky things from the clinton admin.
he was there.
Posted by frosty zoom at 06/16/2008
He did not do those icky things and did not let Bill campaign for him. Unlike the Mrs...
Al is the remade Phoenix up from the ashes. Want new, what about more than new-- archetypal! Al is striking a major cord and thus winning all kinds of awards. Hard work equals luck, Als' would do well to push Barack way over the top. I see coat tails. New con reptiles are going to smear Barack in any case-- Al's been there and dealt. The new Al will squelch bad BS into good BO.
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/16/2008 @ 5:52pm
So to speak of course.
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/16/2008 @ 6:08pm
That is SO not going to happen. First, no one who bills himself as the candidate of change is going to bring in a former VP, no matter how good his current work on global warming is.
Second, Al Gore isn't going to spend another 4-8 years playing second fiddle and going down in history as a professional Vice-President.
Posted by brunowe at 06/16/2008 @ 9:12pm
IS John Nichols HSUBFOOLS?
Or could there actually be TWO who think that the fantasy of Gore being Obama's Veep is an ACTUAL possibility?
LOL!
Posted by Mask at 06/16/2008 @ 10:55pm
Amazing JOHN'S comment about Gore winning the popular vote.
There is only one thing we will ever know about that election: That is the Court, in another classic example of how the Founding Fathers's system works in a crisis (the other being the decline and Fall of Nixon sans violence) stopped an election that was fast becoming a farce. They stopped it a point X, and the guy on top at point X won. In another circumstance it could have been Gore. But it wasn't. So get over it JOHN. He lost. My only fear now is that we may still not be rid of him.
Posted by william.harry13 at 06/16/2008 @ 11:04pm
WINYAHN, I like your global warming Stickers.
Here's one that sums up the real immigration problem:
KEEP THE IMMIGRANTS DEPORT THE MULTICULTURALISTS
Posted by william.harry13 at 06/16/2008 @ 11:10pm
brunowe
well it's happened before. reportedly we've had two vice presidents who served in different administrations.
Posted by emile duBois at 06/16/2008 @ 11:24pm
"Take it from me: Elections matter!" Al Gore shouted
Yep, if Gore had won, Lieberman would be The Man for the dems!
Instead, he is stumping for his policies with McCain, which is Bush III. But, there was a difference somewhere between Bush and Gore, just not the policies toward Iraq or banking regulation or fundraising or unbreakable support for Israel or....
Gore would be the 2nd worst choice, behind Hillary.
I am still sticking with an actual "dream ticket", a hispanic and African-American, one with experience, the other with charisma flowing out of every pore. Richardson is the one logical choice. This will be Obamas first chance to screw up or do right. Let us see what he does with it.
Maybe the current Guv of Arizona, Napolitano, but that could be seen as too pandering. A woman and Arizonian, an attempt to pander to Hillary supporters and take some Arizona votes from Grandpa Warmonger. She is well respected, but lacks the international experience that Richardson brings.
either way, the bigots would be on the run and the fear mongering would be in overdrive.
Posted by crabwalk at 06/16/2008 @ 11:36pm
Oh, Richardson was seen with a flag lapel pin, so his patriotism is unquestionable.
----
Maybe one day Vietnam will no longer influence elections in the 21st century. How long is the Iraq fiasco going to influence our electorate? Will the right continue to attack Iraq veterans for taking their own stance on this biggest foreign affairs mess ever?
But wait, the YEARLONG surge is almost over, with no political victories to show. But, we are "winning". By some metric only the cons can change weekly.
Posted by crabwalk at 06/16/2008 @ 11:42pm
New poster/bumper sticker-
"Throw the WASPS out!!"
Posted by crabwalk at 06/16/2008 @ 11:44pm
Morning EMILE,
Left a response to you on the Baby Boomer thing if your interested. On the "EPOCH" article of Rothberg. I guess ones concept of a "contribution" differs from person to person
Posted by william.harry13 at 06/16/2008 @ 11:45pm
As amazing as that ticket would be, I highly doubt that Gore would be willing to take another VP position. He was already pushed out of the spotlight during the Clinton years, and though I don't think Obama would be nearly as callous with him as Bill, I don't think that Gore would accept the offer (if it is even given).
Nevertheless, I was lucky enough to be there last night, and I could feel the speeches in my chest.
Posted by ShamansBlues at 06/17/2008 @ 12:43am
Yep, if Gore had won, Lieberman would be The Man for the dems!
Gore would be the 2nd worst choice, behind Hillary.
Posted by crabwalk at 06/16/2008
Totally wrong conclusion to the facts. There's every indication Al would've dumped Lie berman for the 2004 run. He backed Dean over Lie berman in 2004 and did not endorse Lie berman in 2006 CT primary either. All the shit Lie berman pulled after the nom put him at arms length and further from Al. I find it great that Al and Lie berman are in totally opposing camps in their endorsements now.
Obama/Gore vs. McCave/Lie berman
The irony is just so way obvious.
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/17/2008 @ 12:46am
Together these two men will destroy our country! They will lead the country into believing the Global Warming scam. Al is using fear to promote his agenda. Please read the following statement from the founder of the weather channel
http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemanscorner/19842304.html
Global Temperatures have been declining for the past 10 years! All gore is lying and cherry picking evidence to lead us into destruction. Sound familiar?
Posted by abell12ct at 06/17/2008 @ 12:47am
Or is that more like: O-G vs. Mc-Lie...
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/17/2008 @ 12:51am
An Obama/Gore ticket would suffer from a profit of intelligence, which is new con repub anathema per new cons dream of corporate subservient security.
New con motto-- when battling a greater truth-- LIE, big time.
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/17/2008 @ 01:26am
crabwalk
I agree, Richardson is his best bet. to put another woman on the ticket, would be a kick in the teeth of Hillary supporters. Bama is much too smart for that.
Posted by emile duBois at 06/17/2008 @ 01:51am
hsuBfools
but all those icky things from the clinton admin.
he was there.
Posted by frosty zoom at 06/16/2008
In comparison to all those 'icky things' from the Shrub anadministration?
Bush's wingman (McCain) is going to spend a lot of time explaining why we need more of the same; BJ Clinton's foibles are but a faint echo
Posted by skeletonman at 06/17/2008 @ 01:51am
Posted by winyahn at 06/16/2008 | ignore this person | warn this person
Damn, and apologies - should have directed that in anticipation to Happy, Maasch, LvLib, LibzWhateverHe'sGoingToAddToLibzWhileHeKeepsHisCapsLockEngaged, and the usual right-wing cheerleaders!
Posted by jmusolino at 06/17/2008 @ 02:33am
I'm stymied as to why Al would even consider another shot at VP - he's been there twice, and won a presidential election to boot (along with the Nobel Peace Prize). On the other hand, McCain seems to have no problem finding work for Cheney.
Posted by jmusolino at 06/17/2008 @ 02:36am
Posted by JOMAMMA at 06/17/2008
Like I already said:
New con motto-- when battling a greater truth-- LIE, big time.
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/17/2008 @ 03:12am
<Sigh>
JMUSOLINO,
Please see my post at the top of this thread
Posted by william.harry13 at 06/17/2008 @ 03:12am
And perhaps the reason why an education will not work with some people...
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/17/2008 @ 03:13am
Could somebody hand some Kleenex to HSUB....thanks, now that that's done.
Even if you think Gore's ego might be so huge that he'd accepted Vice-President...again...just to get back in the spotlight...
Does ANYBODY here except HSUB and the oft-wistful John Nichols actually think Obama is going to select a Veep who waited for TWO WEEKS AFTER he had wrapped up the nomination, before endorsing?
Posted by Mask at 06/17/2008 @ 03:20am
Posted by abell12ct at 06/17/2008
Abell, JOHN McCAIN believes in man-made global warming.
You deniers are isolated even from your own party!
Posted by Mask at 06/17/2008 @ 03:21am
Abell, JOHN McCAIN believes in man-made global warming.
You deniers are isolated even from your own party!
Posted by Mask at 06/17/2008
Unfortunately, John McCain seems determined to be another Bob Dole. He seems to be doing everything he can to alienate conservatives. We may reach a tipping point where we either vote 3rd party or stay home.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 06/17/2008 @ 12:23pm
lvliberty1
ah, too bad you lost übercandidates Giuliani and Thompson.
hahahahahaha.
Posted by emile duBois at 06/17/2008 @ 12:26pm
Supposedly H. Rodham Clinton was too tainted by "old" Clinton politics -- but Clinton's Vice President isn't? And weren't we to believe that the Bush Presidency was not Nader's fault, but Gore's? Maybe for distancing himself too much from Clinton's success during the campaign? Or has that script been discarded now? Whatever.
Posted by RLawrence at 06/17/2008 @ 12:28pm
We may reach a tipping point where we either vote 3rd party or stay home.-----Posted by lvliberty1 at 06/17/2008
OH, come on, Larry. Unless he picks that "Temple Mormon" to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency....
the "scary socialist black guy" will get most of you guys to the polls!
Posted by Mask at 06/17/2008 @ 12:37pm
You deniers are isolated even from your own party!
Posted by Mask
Do I have to say it........ Just because something is popular ......
Posted by abell12ct at 06/17/2008 @ 12:45pm
OH, come on, Larry. Unless he picks that "Temple Mormon" to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency....
the "scary socialist black guy" will get most of you guys to the polls!
Posted by Mask at 06/17/2008
I'm not so sure of that Mask. It's getting tougher every day to remain committed to voting for the guy. Right now the SCOTUS issue remains the overriding reason to still vote for him.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 06/17/2008 @ 12:46pm
he was there.
Posted by frosty zoom
no he wasn't.
Posted by emile duBois at 06/17/2008 @ 12:47pm
You deniers are isolated even from your own party!
Posted by Mask
P.S. I'm not the one denying the facts.
Posted by abell12ct at 06/17/2008 @ 12:52pm
Everything is relative to new con repubs-- especially the facts...
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/17/2008 @ 1:22pm
Could somebody hand some Kleenex to HSUB....thanks, now that that's done.
Posted by Mask at 06/17/2008
I sneezed?
In any case that Al waited to see what and how Barack wanted to do it, in no way can be considered a dis, well, unless you distort what actually happened and how it happened.
If Al had endorsed too early, Barack would have been seen as weak. That he got the pre-nom on his own relative to Al, gives the endorsement all the more credence not less. Especially since it creates a mutual trust and respect if/when Barack decides to give Al the nod. It would actually be the selfless thing for Al to do to accept it. Al could've easily run for pres-- so how can accepting VP be about ego? The facts do not support your statements.
Of course as always anything can be distorted and you obviously do.
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/17/2008 @ 1:42pm
"Richardson is the one logical choice. " crabwalk
Si.
Por que ... Florida Florida Florida.
+ NM + CO.
And then Obama is assured EC victory to go with a"popular" romp that'll be best for the Dems since LBJ trounced Barry G.
Posted by sloper at 06/17/2008 @ 1:42pm
I don't know if Obama/Richardson would be a "dream ticket", but I do know it would be assasination-proof. Nothing would keep those on the white supremacist fringe from shooting the nation's first black president quite like knowing that if they did it would lead to the installation of the first Latino to hold the office. That, and the fact that Richardson is strong on foreign policy and is a very smart guy is the reason I like the idea. It certainly beats the crap out of putting Hillary Clinton or Al Gore on the ticket. Gore's been there and done that already and Clinton would lead to Obama's having to hire the first food taster in presidential history.
Posted by edwriter at 06/17/2008 @ 1:44pm
Edwriter,
A good, if dark, point.
Posted by sloper at 06/17/2008 @ 1:55pm
P.S. I'm not the one denying the facts.----Posted by abell12ct at 06/17/2008
Read the new thread on "McCain vs Bush", abell.
Posted by Mask at 06/17/2008 @ 2:09pm
<Sigh>
JMUSOLINO,
Please see my post at the top of this thread
Posted by william.harry13 at 06/17/2008 | ignore this person | warn this person
And Bush's 14th Amendment standing was what? The decision was corrupt on its face - Bush had no such standing, the 5 who installed Bush would have voted for him in any circumstance, a fact they made plain when they stated that the decision cannot be used as precedent in the future. Bush did not win - he stole the election. Ad he stole the 2004 election as well - millions of "spoiled" ballots in heavily Democratic districts, with the process controlled by Republicans. If someone breaks into your house and steals your belongings, are you going to say "Oh, well, the guy won the stuff - time to just move on"? Bush is a liar, a thief, a mass murderer, and a usurper. He won nothing. <Sigh>
Posted by jmusolino at 06/17/2008 @ 2:09pm
Of course as always anything can be distorted and you obviously do.----Posted by hsuBfools at 06/17/2008
HSUB, do you really think YOU of all should be lecturing people on "distorting" things???
BLOG | Posted 09/26/2007 @ 1:02pm Clock is Ticking for Clinton's Challengers by John Nichols
But then that's why Al Gore will step in.----Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/26/2007 @ 2:05pm
The biggest reason Al will step in will be leading candidates spouting rhetoric about continuation of the Iraq war and minimizing global warming or not putting it as a top priority.----Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/26/2007 @ 3:12pm
BLOG | Posted 09/04/2007 @ 11:33am State of the Race by Ari Berman
T-minus 57 days and counting.
(Going as a "Gore in '08" placard or a Bill of Impeachment, for Halloween, HSUB?)----Posted by MASK 09/04/2007 @ 3:20pm
Both, I believe I've stated multiple times that both were going to happen.-----Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/04/2007 @ 4:03pm
Posted by Mask at 06/17/2008 @ 2:12pm
Richardson is strong on foreign policy
Posted by edwriter
Isn't he the guy who was in charge of letting the North Koreans get nukes? Or was that Madeline All but bright?
Posted by abell12ct at 06/17/2008 @ 3:11pm
Read the new thread on "McCain vs Bush", abell.
Posted by Mask
Yeah? So McCain is wrong.
Posted by abell12ct at 06/17/2008 @ 3:13pm
Yeah? So McCain is wrong.
Posted by abell12ct at 06/17/2008
Yeah? So....you'll end up voting for him...
and he'll set the standard for future Repubs, on global warming, even if he loses....and if (Heaven forbid) he WINS?...
he sets the agenda for the Party for 4 years.
Fewer and fewer of you guys in the GW Denial movement getting a seat at the table.
Posted by Mask at 06/17/2008 @ 3:41pm
mcbush: June 17th, 2008 10:49 am ET
"The earth may be warming, it is caused by the SUN, not CO2. It will cool again too, it is a natural cycle… off-shore drilling is NOT going to hurt the environment and the supply will lead to less foreign dependency and lower prices."
you have got to be S H I T T I N G me!!!!!
Posted by jrs112 at 06/17/2008 @ 4:00pm
I still go with Obama/Richardson for the dem ticket....it locks up all demographics, all areas of the country.....Richardson or Hagel will stand his ground against whoever mcbush picks such as trophy vp.....why doesn't media pick up on all the misogynistic things mcbush has said in public in the past, especially when he ditched his first wife when she had an accident which disfigured her....mcbush is a very heartless b a s t a r d!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by jrs112 at 06/17/2008 @ 4:03pm
Posted by jrs112 at 06/17/2008
Actually it wasn't that she was "disfigured"....she put on a lot of weight.
He then cheated on her, finally with Cindy, dumped her for the heiress 15 years younger, and his kids didn't speak to him for years.
Posted by Mask at 06/17/2008 @ 4:17pm
drilling now will bring oil to market years from now.
conservation will bring oil NOW.
this is a difficult choice.
the BIG lie about Anwar is not only a small portion will be affected.
sure, if you don't count roads, pipelines, etc
Posted by emile duBois at 06/17/2008 @ 4:24pm
Jim Webb.
Posted by Hman23 at 06/17/2008 @ 4:45pm
Jim Webb.
By the time I get to Phoenix...
sorry
Posted by emile duBois at 06/17/2008 @ 4:52pm
The biggest reason Al will step in will be leading candidates spouting rhetoric about continuation of the Iraq war and minimizing global warming or not putting it as a top priority.----Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/26/2007 @ 3:12pm
Both, I believe I've stated multiple times that both were going to happen.-----Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/04/2007 @ 4:03pm
I do not see how either of those possible scenarios are distortions. In the first instance Al didn't have to step in because the candidates started towing Al's line about climate change and need to pull out of Iraq-- oh duh, that is more than obvious. And in the second instance, both still have the possibility that they 'will' happen. I've stated that my timing is off some.
Like when your AG Frito got the hsuB boot when you said it would never happen. I was off of that scenario by a couple of months at least.
BTW: http://imvotingrepublican.com/
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/17/2008 @ 5:03pm
abel, don't let them facts slow you down. The Big Bomb was finished and tested under the guy you voted for.
I am no great fan of Bill Clinton, but he did manage, despite himself, to keep you safe from terrorism and disarm your boogeyman, formerly armed by that other guy you probably voted for in '84 and '88. Also deserving an honorable mention is the tax money you now send to a known terrorist running Libya.
so, I guess that makes you an "appeaser".
Careful with those thrones, grass house dweller.
Posted by crabwalk at 06/17/2008 @ 5:08pm
Posted by jmusolino at 06/17/2008
Humor gets lost easily with none of the nonverbals. But your response made me realize how easily one could portray themselves as a Dittocon. You know, dress the part, use the code words, and infiltrate the inner rings of neocon headquarters... Would be wild to catch a glimpse of raw evil.
Cheney, with horns a tail... Smoke and mirrors everywhere. Humping and drooling on W. Knocking him violently up against a giant golden statue of Goebbels. Wiping his ass with the constitution...
Anyway, back to humor efforts: for someone who wants to tear my rifle rack out of my pick-up... you're sure packing some friendly fire!!
Posted by winyahn at 06/17/2008 @ 5:18pm
I am sure many have thought of this, but a little surprised it's not mentioned here:
Gore's timing?
Would fit with the following:
Is opposed to Clintons, but didn't want to offend Clintons, so waited until Hillary stepped down. Counted to ten and stepped in with his endorsement.
This theory begs a few questions:
1- What's his main beef? 2- Would he have endorsed Hillary if she'd won? 3- What's the agenda undergirding his strategy?
Just trying out #3, could be simply that he feels he'll make the best headway on climate crisis if he appears to stay above the fray. Gets max benefit over next four years by avoiding having offended the next president. Also not much downside to not endorsing McCain even if he wins.
Posted by winyahn at 06/17/2008 @ 7:24pm
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/17/2008
Actually, HSUB, I said I didn't THINK it would happen.
Plus, I've owned up to my failed prediction....yet you keep coming back month after month with NEW scenarios to try to fulfill yours.
Yes, Gonzales had to resign. I admit it.
Now, are you ready to admit that Al Gore will NOT become President or even Vice-President in 2008 as you predicted? And if not, why not?
Posted by Mask at 06/17/2008 @ 8:26pm
Bush's wingman (McCain) is going to spend a lot of time explaining why we need more of the same; BJ Clinton's foibles are but a faint echo
Posted by skeletonman
yeah, a subprime echo.....
Posted by frosty zoom at 06/17/2008 @ 9:41pm
Obama parceled out his endorsements gradually, when they would do the most good. a savvy politician he.
Posted by emile duBois at 06/18/2008 @ 12:50am
Now, are you ready to admit that Al Gore will NOT become President or even Vice-President in 2008 as you predicted? And if not, why not?
Posted by Mask at 06/17/2008
Oh duh, please say you're just playing dumb and not really this dense.
I can easily say an event hasn't happened yet. No way to say it won't happen as there is still that very possibility.
Remember you're the one that said that your AG Frito wouldn't ever be booted by hsuB. I said he would. As you state-- you were wrong and I was right.
Now after Barack selects a vp and 'if' it's not Al-- then I can truly say it didn't happen. If on the other hand Al gets the nod from Barack-- then you were wrong and I was right-- AGAIN.
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/18/2008 @ 01:33am
No one has greater endorsement gravitas right now than Al. It's right that Barack's timing was right and it be at this point. It signaled that the dem onslaught of the mistake ridden McCave MIC MAD GOP has begun.
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/18/2008 @ 01:44am
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/18/2008
Two months til Denver, HSUB.
And I love to count-down with you.
heheh
Posted by Mask at 06/18/2008 @ 07:12am
Yeah? So....you'll end up voting for him.
Posted by Mask
Maybe maybe not. I'm more of a libertarian.
Posted by abell12ct at 06/18/2008 @ 07:20am
The Big Bomb was finished and tested under the guy you voted for.
posted by crabwalk
I thought Truman was a Democrat? I wasn't alive then.
Posted by abell12ct at 06/18/2008 @ 07:23am
Sorry crab not awake yet. I assume now you are talking about North Korea's Big Bomb.
Posted by abell12ct at 06/18/2008 @ 08:00am
Maybe maybe not. I'm more of a libertarian.----Posted by abell12ct at 06/18/2008
Me too...just not willing to support more idiocy.
Posted by Mask at 06/18/2008 @ 10:15am
Me too...just not willing to support more idiocy.
Posted by Mask
So you can't really vote for anyone then.
Posted by abell12ct at 06/18/2008 @ 10:26am
So you can't really vote for anyone then.
Posted by abell12ct at 06/18/2008
Sure I can. Somebody that will pull the pendulum back to the Middle, even if trying to pull it back to the Left.
As noted on Mr Nichols' latest...Obama is not the fire-breathing leftist that you guys on the Right think/fear...and that those on the Left HOPE.
But he will start a move back to a saner center, missing now for 8 years.
McCain will be too beholding to the base and his own myopic view of "national security" and Iraq. If he was "old McCain" from 2000...maybe. But not worth the risk.
Obama in '08. In 2012? I'll see.
Posted by Mask at 06/18/2008 @ 4:10pm
"I'm not sure if it has been discussed satisfactorily, but on the blogs there was wide discussion of why Al Gore did not earlier endorse Obama and questions arose as to why he was the last to speak up.
The reason is simple. In late March, it was reported by Joe Klein in Time Magazine, that it looked like we were going to the Democratic Convention in a stalemate between Clinton and Obama. Some of the most prominent Democrats told Klein that if that happened, it would break the party in half and hand the '08 election over to the Republicans. But that wasn't going to happen, because if two went in, only one would come out and that one would be Al Gore. The delegates would vote Gore in on a second ballot."
http://tinyurl.com/65dzjf
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/19/2008 @ 3:42pm
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/19/2008
Oh brother!
Posted by Mask at 06/19/2008 @ 7:47pm
"Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, D-Mich., who leads the Congressional Black Caucus, said members of her caucus asked her to forward the names of Edwards and Nunn when she met Wednesday with Obama's vice presidential search team. The team, Caroline Kennedy and Eric Holder, indicated the two were on the list.
When Kilpatrick said Gore was her personal choice, "they had a smile on their face. They have a list of candidates. I think I may have been the first to do that. They didn't say one way or the other."
But she wasn't the only one to mention Gore.
Rep. Joe Baca, D-Calif., chairman of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, met Wednesday with Kennedy and Holder..."
http://tinyurl.com/5ublbu
Posted by hsuBfools at 06/20/2008 @ 12:24am
Denver and the Pepsi Center can't get here fast enough!
LOL
Posted by Mask at 06/20/2008 @ 08:51am