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RedditThe Commander-in-Chief is now the Smearer-in-Chief. In Israel to celebrate the country's 60th birthday, President Bush chose to debase the event with the defamatory suggestion, made before the Israeli Knesset, that Barack Obama would appease terrorists by talking to Syria and Iran.
Obama moved quickly to call it a "false political attack" by a president whose failed policies have "strenghtened Iran.'"
I would go on to point out that when it comes to talking to Syria, Israeli leaders would seem to agree with Barack Obama and not President Bush. As the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported, Israel and Syrian negotiators met in secret from September 2004 to July 2006 and reportedly agreed on the main points of a peace agreement. And there have been reports of interest on both the Israeli and Syrian side to meet to conclude a formal agreement this year. The Bush administration has actively opposed these talks and has discouraged Israel from moving forward with final negotiations on a peace agreement. Obama might well ask the failed Bush Administration: Would Israel (and the United States) be in a stronger position vis a vis Iran, if it made peace with Syria?
At every step of the way, the Bush administration has not missed an opportunity to bolster Iran's position in the Middle East. It destroyed Iran's principal adversary in Saddam Hussein, and then it ended up backing pro-Iranian forces in Iraq's new government. Indeed, the United States and Iran have for the most part been backing the same side in the power struggle in Iraq, both supporting the current governing coalition of Dawa, SCIRI, and the Kurds, all of which have strong ties to Iran. To be sure, Iran may have spread its bets among a wider group of Shiite militias but it has been consistent in its support of the Shia-Kurdish governing coalition while holding Sadr at a distance.
The administration's efforts to isolate the Hamas elected government in the occupied territories led to the predictable outcome of strengthening Iran's support for Hamas.
As Jeremy Ben-Ami, executive director of J Street, a newly formed lobby and political action committee that promotes peace and security in the Middle East (and serves to check and counter AIPAC), pointed out in last Sunday's Washington Post "Outlook" section: "Hamas won the recent Paletsinian national elections in a landslide. Do we seriously think [Hamas] can be erased from the political landscape simply by assassinations and sanctions? Precisely because Hamas and Iran represent the most worrisome strategic challenges to Israel, responsible friends of Israel who'd like to see it live in security for its next 60 years should be engaging with them to search for alternatives to war."
With its efforts to isolate Hezbollah in Lebanon and backing of Israel's disastrous war in Lebanon, we live with the result that Hezbollah is stronger than ever--witness the latest clashes in Beirut.
The best thing for Israel and the Middle East therefore would be the earliest possible departure of the Bush administration. With a Barack Obama administration, Israel may finally conclude a peace agreement with Syria and may adopt a more pragmatic approach to dealing with Lebanon. And eventually, as an increasing number of Israel citizens seem to understand--a recent poll in Haaretz showed that two-thirds of Israelis favor ceasefire negotiations between their government and Hamas-- their government will need to talk with Hamas because there will never be security until Hamas becomes accepted as a part of a future Palestinian government.
We should demand a real debate in this country about policies which would provide real security in the Middle East. As Ben-Ami makes clear: "Unquestioning encouragement for short-sighted Israeli policies such as expanding Jewish settlements in the West Bank isn't real friendship."
Yeah, but Dumbya's mispronunciations of "tonks" for tanks, and "argamunt" for argument make me glad the nightmare is almost over
Posted by leftofcenter at 05/15/2008 @ 4:48pm
KVH, that's not true. Bush never defamed or called out Obama.
ABC News' Ed O'Keefe Reports: The Obama campaign is taking issue with a comment President Bush made while speaking to the Knesset on the 60th anniversary of Israel's statehood.
"Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," the President said to the country's legislative body, "We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is –- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."
Posted by ACook at 05/15/2008 @ 5:18pm
Truth hurts, don't it? Hahahahahahaha! GW let the low-life appeasers on the left have it today, and it was beautiful!!!! Now Osama'a panties are in a bunch because Bush told the absolute truth about the appeasers on the left, including the racist, anti-american Osama! Bush's reference was factually accurate, and the left is angry , because anytime the public is informed as to the facts concerning their actual positions, they get very angry! The left has not and will not allow themselves to be shown for who they are. They are in constant denial of the treason they commit, although the FACTS are a reality they can't escape! Good job, GW, it's been a while since you've given us much to cheer about!
Posted by barry25 at 05/15/2008 @ 5:19pm
well, as usual sending the chimp-in-chief anywhere to represent our country and mushmouth/yukity yuk his way through it is every bit as much a national embarassment as it ever was...
but its funny how mushmouth negotiates with the north koreans now...that they have nukes!!!!
so...mushmouth wisdom dictates one not negotiate with adversaries UNTIL they get nukes...
BRILLIANT! and stupidly cowardly...
we threaten, threaten threaten...as long as the enemey is weak...but once they get nukes - THEN WE NEGOTIATE!
makes us look like bullies...right or wrong...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008 @ 5:22pm
There was absolutely nothing but PURE, HISTORIAL, and UNDENIABLE FACT in Bush's statement, and once again, the left will not even tolerate FACTS being spoken by the other side because FACTS hurt the Dem's at every turn. This is pure COMEDY!
Posted by barry25 at 05/15/2008 @ 5:22pm
holy shit! chris mathews just ripped some gop mouthpiece named "kevin" a new asshole!
oh man - this guy looked like a fool...
what a slaughter...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008 @ 5:25pm
kevin james - oh man! what a moron!!!!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008 @ 5:26pm
Matthews? Is he the one on that network that is in, like....LAST place in the ratings category?
Posted by barry25 at 05/15/2008 @ 5:27pm
Barry, barry, barry: man u r 1 scared little jerry [fallwell]jumper. get used to it. OHB is soon 2 b your president. Oh, the horror, the horror. Have fun barry.
Posted by papadaniel at 05/15/2008 @ 5:36pm
Profiteers, vainglorious military types & religious nuts will & have found a way. We had the cold war. Now we've got freeze dried. Armageddon on the fast track. With the Rapture preeminent look for great buys on Rolexes & Armani suits. Great days for the asbestos industry retrofitting all those threads & accessories for the underworld & the deniers. But hey,the real plutocrats have got "built-in".
Posted by Sorelish at 05/15/2008 @ 5:59pm
In all seriousness, there is a South Park episode where Cartman goes back in time to the signing of the declaration trying to answer the question, "What would the founding fathers say about the war in Iraq?" (I'm a little fuzzy on the details.) The founding father say the brilliance of our system is that we get to have it both ways. One side can call for war, while the other side can try to negotiate peace.
It's kind of a good cop, bad cop thing. Bush plays the bad cop so Obama can play the good cop and negotiate with the terrorists, but Obama wouldn't get anywhere if the terrorists think think the bad cop was credible.
Posted by marybretbrad at 05/15/2008 @ 6:22pm
Facts? Sure. However, the comparison between say, Iran, or Syria and The Third Reich seems a bit shall we say, inappropriate? Seriously, on the one side you've got a global power house that managed to conquer all of mainland Europe (cept Spain, but they had allies in Spain), the Mediterranean, much of North Africa, and were on track to conquer Russia before their tanks froze.
Somehow I don't think that Syria or Iran could pull off conquering nearly all of Europe, or even come close. The difference in power is immense (when did Syria become our enemy anyway?).
Posted by shadow master at 05/15/2008 @ 6:23pm
I listened to Bush's stupid speech and was amazed at the fact that he was in a foreign country and made those ignorant remarks.
But in his speech he mentioned a US Senator who made the statement: "If only I could have talked to Hitler". I did a google. Turns out there was a US Senator who made this statement. His name was William E. Borah from Idaho. REPUBLICAN and Hitler supporter. As a matter of fact, Bush's Grandfather, Prescott Bush was a Hitler supporter too. They were making millions of dollars off helping the Nazi's build a war machine.
Wonder how Bush is appeasing China in order to borrow money for the Iraq War and helping his friends get filthy rich. Filthy War Profiteers!
Posted by ronmurraysr63 at 05/15/2008 @ 6:25pm
In regards to North Korea, I've got a pet theory. Anyone familiar with Asian cultures will be familar with the term, "saving face" and will also understand how immensely important it is in Asian cultures.
Right now the famine in North Korea is so bad that even party member have had thier rations cut. At this point, Bush feels nothing but pity for the North Korean people.
For the people who were paying attention when NK tested their two nukes, there were a lot of reporters questioning the detonation. Was it even powerful enough to be a nuclear reaction?
The White House's response was, "Of course it was a nuclear explosion so shut the fuck up, NOW!" Then it started negotiating with NK.
I think Kim Jong Il's nuclear program was a collossal failure. By jumping in to negotiate with Il, Bush gave him the opportunity to save face and negotiate the program away instead of being embarrassed and redoubling the effort to get it right while half his country dies of famine.
Posted by marybretbrad at 05/15/2008 @ 6:30pm
Posted by ACook at 05/15/2008
Problem is. Anyone can see WHO he is talking about.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/15/2008 @ 6:35pm
PRESIDENT hsuB – Overall Job Rating in national polls
Survey_____Date________Approve_Disapprove_Unsure_Dif
Quinnipiac_5/8-12/08____28_______67_______5____-39
CBS/N Y T__5/1-3/08 ____28_______63_______9____-35
USAT/Galp_5/1-3/08 ____28_______67_______5____-39
CNN/O R_4/28-30/08 ___28_______71_______1____-43
NBC/WSJ_4/25-28/08____27_______66_______7____-39
Pew_____ 4/23-27/08____27_______65_______8____-38
Newswk _4/16-17/08____28_______65_______7____-37
AP-Ipsos__4/7-9/08_____28_______68_______*____-40
Gallup_____4/6-9/08 ____28_______67_______5____-39
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm
Yep this hsuB president surely has balls for brains. That 28% of our population are dumber than him thanks to a new con repub pro-war anti-science education, is no great surprise. That our weak kneed congress of the weak kneed people allow hsuB/cHeney admin to remain in office is one of the greatest historical disappointments of our time; only second to the hsuB/cHeney admin itself.
Posted by hsuBfools at 05/15/2008 @ 6:35pm
Posted by marybretbrad at 05/15/2008
That theory makes sense actually.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/15/2008 @ 6:37pm
Posted by barry25 at 05/15/2008
You are nothing but ignorant. You always try to negotiate first! Only a moron suggests war before negotiation ESPECIALLY when both sides have expressed interest in negotiation. Whether you think they are the pure enemy or not doesn't matter. For the security of the world it makes more sense to make more friends than enemies. People who enjoy the though of killing like you won't be able to understand diplomacy. But if we could have talked to the Germans instead of fighting them think about how many people we could have saved.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/15/2008 @ 6:40pm
I still uphold that an insult from Bush is a blessing in this election. A failure of a president with a less than 30% approval rating which I think makes him the president to have acheived one of the worst approval rating in history. Who's presidency is viewed by 70% of America as a failure. Who has turned most of America against the Republican party and made you guys look nothing like bloodthirsty people who want to burn the Constitution. Anything negative he has to say about you is a positive to 70% of America.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/15/2008 @ 6:48pm
Yeah that's why the hsuB/cHeney admin jumped in to negotiate with Sodumb Insane and Hamass and even OBL-- so that 4000 of our troops wouldn't die and 10's of thousands wouldn't be maimed and disabled.... because hsuB has feelings and will even lie about that he quit playing golf to prove it.
Posted by hsuBfools at 05/15/2008 @ 6:48pm
Barry and Libz you can gnash your teeth all you want. But 70% of America thinks your President is a failure.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/15/2008 @ 6:49pm
Extremely well written and well reasoned article, KVH!
Bush, who has FAILED in diplomatic efforts, is in no position to give Barack Obama advice on how to engage the world!
Posted by Metteyya at 05/15/2008 @ 6:51pm
Problem is. Anyone can see WHO he is talking about.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/15/2008
OK, then who was he talking about? He never said. For all you know he could have been talking about Jimmy Carter.
Posted by ACook at 05/15/2008 @ 7:17pm
Bush is absolutely the BEST qualified to tell Barrack Milhouse Osama not to be the 21st century version of Chamberlin...
Posted by libzsuck at 05/15/2008 |
Huh?
Posted by skeletonman at 05/15/2008 @ 7:41pm
oh man - matthews nailed that loud mouthed repugnant moron!
"what happened in 1938?"
"sputter...blub...uh appeasement! its all about...buh...uh...sputter...appeas"
"what happened, kevin, in 1938?"
"sputter...blub...uh appeasement! its all about...buh...uh...sputter...appeas"
and so on and so on...jeez - i almost felt sorry for the idiot!!!!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008 @ 7:47pm
"But if we could have talked to the Germans instead of fighting them think about how many people we could have saved."
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/15/2008
Not true C3, Neville Chamberlain (the former British Prime Minister) and several others tried that route and Poland wound up getting invaded by Hitler anyway, thus starting WWII.
Posted by ACook at 05/15/2008 @ 7:51pm
LAST place in the ratings category?
Posted by barry25 at 05/15/2008
hmmm...if 90% of the 30% of morons who still think mushmouth's shit smells like spring daisies in cinammon, and we add on about 10%+ of everyone else...that still gives FAUXNEWS a big chunk of viewership...
but so what, you TREASONOUS, TRAITOROUS, CRYPTOFASCIST, EVIL ENABLER!??
yer party is descending into stupid, desperate, pathos...
enjoy!!! lmao!!!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008 @ 7:53pm
hmmm...we did not talk to the north koreans...then they got the bomb...and we talked to them!!!!
hey...maybe the iranians figger the only way they can get us to talk is to...get DA BOMB!!!!
just because one engages in diplomacy with objectionable governments does not mean one is appeasing them. one could use it as a moment to make demands, or to emphatically refuse demands...any number of posibilities - appeasement is only one option, one possibility...
besides...bush is probably skeered shitless to talk to an intelligent if evil fellow world leader - and so are his handlers...they'd never let that happen...
stupid is as stupid does...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008 @ 7:59pm
bush is probably skeered shitless to talk to an intelligent if evil fellow world leader - and so are his handlers...they'd never let that happen...
stupid is as stupid does...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008
Bush is scared shitless.
Posted by skeletonman at 05/15/2008 @ 8:09pm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/
go to hardball and hit the thing that says
"a question of appeasement"
oh man! what a slapdown!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008 @ 8:10pm
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008
Actually IBB, the Clinton administration held direct talks with the North Koreans first (Bill Richardson was the negotiator along with the UN), but the NK renenged on any deals they initially agreed to and went ahead with their nuclear activities anyway. They had no intentions of abiding by any terms.
And I think Bush was right to hold off. The North Koreans weren't interested in peaceful negoitations. They were demanding more than they were willing to give.
Posted by ACook at 05/15/2008 @ 8:13pm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/
go to hardball and hit the thing that says
"a question of appeasement"
oh man! what a slapdown!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008
WATCH THIS! ITS MORE EXCRUCIATING AND HILARIOUS EVRY TIME I WATCH IT!!!!!
SERIOUSLY - E-MAIL THIS CLIP! PRICELESS!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008 @ 8:21pm
"Only a moron suggests war before negotiation"
Which puts GWB and Barely25IQ in the same sinking dory, paddling in circles...
Posted by leftofcenter at 05/15/2008 @ 8:25pm
Posted by ACook at 05/15/2008
I didn't mean to say no one tried but I mean if talks HAD worked we wouldn't have gotten in. Sorry I'm tired and it's about 95 degrees in my office. Should we have not tried because it didn't work? Would WW2 be prevented if we had just attacked instead or would we have been ill-prepared and underestimated our enemy?
Also considering we are in the midst of an election season and one of the people has talked plenty about talking to Syria and Iran I think it is not very far fetched to say he is talking about Obama.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/15/2008 @ 8:25pm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/
go to hardball and hit the thing that says
"a question of appeasement"
oh man! what a slapdown!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008
WATCH THIS! ITS MORE EXCRUCIATING AND HILARIOUS EVRY TIME I WATCH IT!!!!!
SERIOUSLY - E-MAIL THIS CLIP! PRICELESS!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008 | ignore this person
sorry - but this was priceless!!!!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008 @ 8:28pm
Barrack Hussein Osama will NEVER end up as president
Posted by libzsuck at 05/15/2008
yes he will be you idiot! HA HA HA!!!!
have you watched the link above? jeez - what a pack of idiots....
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008 @ 8:36pm
"I didn't mean to say no one tried but I mean if talks HAD worked we wouldn't have gotten in. Sorry I'm tired and it's about 95 degrees in my office. Should we have not tried because it didn't work? Would WW2 be prevented if we had just attacked instead or would we have been ill-prepared and underestimated our enemy?"
"Also considering we are in the midst of an election season and one of the people has talked plenty about talking to Syria and Iran I think it is not very far fetched to say he is talking about Obama."
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/15/2008
C3, they did try very hard, but Hitler had no intentions of upholding his end of the bargin. He saw the French and the British (and the rest of Europe) as weak. He saw no reason to stop his endevors.
As far as Obama is concerned, talking negoiations regarding the enemies of Israel is a tightrope walk. Go back and read over how Clinton tried to get the Palestinians and Israelis to agree on a peace process. And, I'll tell you this much, Arafat played Clinton and the whole deal soured.
Posted by ACook at 05/15/2008 @ 8:52pm
And I think Bush was right to hold off. The North Koreans weren't interested in peaceful negoitations. They were demanding more than they were willing to give.
Posted by ACook at 05/15/2008
WATCH THE LINK WATCH THE LINK WATCH THE LINK!!!!!! DO IT!!!!
i think the north koreans would have gotten their nukes no matter what, especially after they became one of the axis of evil...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008 @ 8:55pm
"i think the north koreans would have gotten their nukes no matter what, especially after they became one of the axis of evil..."
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008
IBB, you're right. They would have gotten their reactors up and running even if they weren't inclued in the axis of evil speech. Guys like Kim Jung IL will always view negotiations with the West as a sign of weakness. They look down on the West.
Posted by ACook at 05/15/2008 @ 9:22pm
"If only we had talked to the Germans"??? I rest my case, you morons are suicidal!
Posted by barry25 at 05/15/2008 @ 9:25pm
HAVE YOU GUYS WATCHED THE CHRIS MATTHEWS INTERVIEW OF KEVIN JAMES ON MSNBC????
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!
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"If only we had talked to the Germans"??? I rest my case, you morons are suicidal!
Posted by barry25 at 05/15/2008 |
that was a rebublican who said that, you IGNORANT TREASONOUS TRAITOR!!!!
COME ON BARRY!!!! JUST KEEP IT COMIN' GUY!
oh my...this is too easy. but still fun!!!!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008 @ 9:30pm
Good job, GW, it's been a while since you've given us much to cheer about!
Posted by barry25
it's not polite to brag about your i.q.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/15/2008 @ 9:31pm
Wow. I see there are some of the usual screed and bile filled apologists on today. A terrific showing really. Barry's little rants are chock full of fail, and exclamation points (which as we all know, the more exclamation points the more right your opinion is). And that wonderful little juxtaposition of Obama and Osama, wow that is "teh clevar." Way to compare a person running for the highest office in the land, who speaks of unity and his love of this nation, with a despicable terrorist and make fun of his name to boot. That happens in elementary school, are you in elementary school?
So we need to do this through strength right? 1984 style, let's do this peace through war thing, because wow that has worked like gangbusters. So when did BushCo. capture Osama? Oh that's right they didn't in fact they continue to hem in and haw over Pakistan when Obama said that he would actually act on intelligence and capture Osama, borders be damned. That sound like appeasement to you fuckwit? Oh and that surge, that has worked well right? I mean we are close to getting out of that Sandbox right? Wait nope, still no end in sight, still no working Iraqi government. Yeap you can take your attacks, your dim-witted grasp on history and foreign policy and go away, maybe our country will recover from this long national nightmare that was Bush.
Posted by Tzimisce at 05/15/2008 @ 9:36pm
HA HA HA - the kevin james (radio announcer) entry in wikipedia has ALREADY been updated to include the incident!!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_James_%28broadcaster%29
but please for your own entertainment check it out on the above website!!! lmao!!!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008 @ 9:37pm
yawn
Posted by libzsuck at 05/15/2008
DONT SWALLOW A FLY, LIBZ...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008 @ 9:52pm
axis of evil
access of evil
excessive evil
excess of evil
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/15/2008 @ 10:01pm
They need to keep the 28% Club atleast SOMEWHAT happy, given McCain is going to slowly move to the Center on Iraq so that his "100 years of war" thing can be buried.
Posted by Mask at 05/15/2008
heehee - have you seen the interview i mentioned above? hee hee ha ha! its painful...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008 @ 10:10pm
barry25:
<B>BOO!</B>
better be careful,
that taxi driver might be the next dirty bomber.
or that guy in the qwikimart. he could be poisoning your cigarettes.
better get to "the compound" before they eat your kids!
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/15/2008 @ 10:10pm
I got two words for you Republicans, PRESCOTT BUSH
Posted by LibsWarnedU at 05/15/2008
yup...lol...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008 @ 10:24pm
prescott bush,
he's the guy who's "ex"company sold nuclear technology to iran in 2005,
right?
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/15/2008 @ 10:38pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/15/2008 | ignore this person
was also an up and coming financier involved in the business plot of 33, and was heavily invested with nazi industrialist fritz theissen...wiki all that stuff if you want...
but rove is going to have to talk...under oath...for all to see...
and this little piggy goes WEE WEE WEE WEE WEE! all the way to PRISON!!!!!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008 @ 10:47pm
When did Bush and McCain start sniffing glue or is it rattle paint cans. Can't we ground these guys so that they don't embarrass us any more. What insane motive could make these two spout this kind of dribble. And while I'm on a roll here I heard general Pace say several days ago that the whole world believed that Sadam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. That is why he supported the invasion. Eh, I don't think the weapons inspectors, united nations and ours, as well as Scott Ritter and the rest of the civilized world knew that there were no weapons. thee trailer that was suppose to be producing biologicals proved to be a dehydrator for milk. How can there still be 28% that believe in Bush
Posted by julien38 at 05/15/2008 @ 10:54pm
Between 2000-2004 alone, Israeli bulldozers uprooted 400,000 olive trees in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. 3 Olives are the major source of income for 7000 Palestinian families, many of whom will now lose their livelihoods.
The Wall, which takes the form at times of a 25 feet high wall and at others of barbed wire fences, twists and turns to accommodate Israeli colonies and their planned expansion while trapping Palestinians in disconnected, ghetto-like areas throughout the West Bank. This is a story of settlements, not security.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/15/2008 @ 10:56pm
i know who grandpa prescott was......
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/15/2008 @ 10:57pm
(The Politico) Just off the House floor today, the Crypt overheard House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers tell two other people: "We're closing in on Rove. Someone's got to kick his ass."
Asked a few minutes later for a more official explanation, Conyers told us that Rove has a week to appear before his committee. If he doesn't, said Conyers, "We'll do what any self-respecting committee would do. We'd hold him in contempt. Either that or go and have him arrested."
Conyers said the committee wants Rove to testify about his role in the imprisonment of former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman, among other things.
"We want him for so many things, it's hard to keep track," Conyers said.
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008 @ 10:58pm
The Separation Barrier
23. The construction of the separation barrier has added a further dimension of physical restriction. When the barrier is complete, nearly 10% of the land in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, will lie in the ‘seam zone' (the area between the 1967 border and the barrier in places where its alignment runs inside the West Bank). Those Palestinians living in the seam zone have been required to obtain new identification cards, while other Palestinians wishing to enter require special permits; this includes farmers whose land lies inside the seam, and family members residing to the west of the barrier. The process of obtaining permits has proven difficult, and at times roughly twenty-five percent of applications were rejected.48 This was due primarily to unclear criteria and the inherent difficulties in demonstrating land ownership. Receipt of a permit does not guarantee access, since the gates through the barrier are subject to closures and to erratic opening hours. Roughly 50,000 Palestinians in 38 villages and towns can expect to find themselves in the seam zone once the construction of the barrier is completed.
24. Another estimated 61,000 Palestinians who are residents of East Jerusalem will be separated by the barrier from family and community network, employment opportunities and municipal services. Furthermore, approximately 500,000 Palestinians live within 1 km of the barrier, and many of these people have been affected by a structure that cuts through properties, economic networks, service access routes and neighborhoods. The disruption to their lives is increased by imperfect access through the barrier. Only 27 of 65 gates are regularly accessible to Palestinians, and only to those who have obtained the requisite permits; a further 11 are accessible during certain seasons, and 27 are closed to Palestinians and are used by settlers and other Israelis. Such restrictions mean that Palestinians must routinely travel many kilometers out of their way to conduct the normal business of their lives. The case of Salfit, a commercial hub in the northern West Bank, is illustrative of these difficulties and the negative impact they have on Palestinian economic life. In the past, residents of the villages of Haris, Qira, Jam'in and Deir Istiya could reach Salfit by road in 5-10 minutes. In order to provide safe access for Israelis in and out of the Ariel settlement, the IDF has blocked the road and forbidden Palestinians from using it. To reach Salfit today, the villagers must head east on Route 505 (forbidden to Palestinians unless they have a permit, lack of which exposes them to being sent back or arrested or having their vehicles confiscated. In general, permits for both persons and vehicles are difficult to obtain.49 They must then travel south to the entrance of Yasuf village. Here a roadblock obliges them to leave their vehicles, cross on foot, and pick up transport to Salfit. A five minute journey now takes up to an hour under the best of circumstances and requires at least two changes of vehicle and considerably higher costs.
http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTWESTBANKGAZA/Resources/M&ASummary+ Main+MapAugust31.pdf
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/15/2008 @ 11:05pm
Barry Oh! and his subjects just want to ask Dubya HOW DARE YOU SMEAR SAINT BARACK?????
But, If it's true, it ain't slander...
And, Dubya didn't even have to mention him by name to get the loony lefties all riled up....Pretty Funny......
Posted by TransitDave at 05/15/2008 @ 11:35pm
Negotiations are not appeasement. Paying the enemy not to blow up your soldiers (like Bush is doing in Iraq) is appeasement.
Posted by koroviev at 05/15/2008 @ 11:53pm
And, Dubya didn't even have to mention him by name to get the loony lefties all riled up....Pretty Funny......
Posted by TransitDave at 05/15/2008
you stupid evil worshipping cryptofascists cant even give a definition of appeasement nor tell the historic context of the reference. check out the chris matthews slapdown of rightwing radio chumtalker, kevin matthews, above.
STUPID, CRYPTOFASCIST, EVIL ENABLING, TREASONOUS TRAITORS!!!
HA HA HA!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008 @ 11:58pm
uh - kevin james that is...lol...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/16/2008 @ 12:07am
RE: Bush Defames ...
Dubya has every reason to be concerned. Well, would you trust the country at war with Islamists to a man who once wore muslim attire and who would never come forward about his religion? Nope.
Posted by HelenDAO at 05/16/2008 @ 12:32am
Posted by HelenDAO at 05/16/2008
Obviously you've given up on Hillary. Hmmm. Wonder who you're voting for?
Posted by Sorelish at 05/16/2008 @ 12:43am
RE: Bush Defames ...
Dubya has every reason to be concerned. Well, would you trust the country at war with Islamists to a man who once wore muslim attire and who would never come forward about his religion? Nope.
Posted by HelenDAO at 05/16/2008
"Who _once_ wore Muslim attire and who never [came] forward about his religion." So that Wright thing was much ado about nothing, and his Somali shepherd outfit brand him a "secret Muslim" (queue the scary music and the rattle of thunder). I hope you are being snarky, for your sake, and the sake of the children, please think of the children!
Obama is a Christian to say otherwise is to invent facts in order to scare people from voting for a black man. If a person is open to being scared out of that vote, then guess what, they were just looking for the first excuse to put a veneer over their racism. This is not to say that every vote not for Obama has some nefarious undertones, it doesn't. People are open to not liking him, his approach, his policies and the facts around him (note facts not stupid rumors and factless smears).
On another note. There is nothing wrong with being called a Muslim, if you are indeed a Muslim. There is nothing wrong with actually being a Muslim either. This might be THE dumbest line of "smears" that I have heard in some time. To paint an entire religion (of roughly 1 Billion people) with one brush as being evil or crazy or radical, is dumb, xenophobic and bigoted. It is a classic fallacy of attributing the attributes of one or some, to the whole.
Posted by Tzimisce at 05/16/2008 @ 01:36am
It is pretty clear though that the Right is totally bankrupt when it comes to intellectual honesty and well ideas. The game plan this election, to scare, sling mud, make false accusation and then blame the press for some slight for good measure. Add in a touch of have you cake and eat it too, and viola you have a recipe for being even more in the minority.
Get a clue. America Fuck Yeah!111!!1!1! Is not a foreign policy, it doesn't work, it doesn't make us safer, it does not use our military wisely and it does not help us in future ventures. Also, the mantra of tax and spend liberal is meaningless now; replaced with a new mantra of tax cut and deficit spend Republican, which brings us soaring energy prices, a weak dollar, and a credit disaster.
Welcome to the political wilderness, enjoy your stay. Hopefully for your sake you can come up with policies not designed for instant gratification and pandering to the lowest common denominator.
Posted by Tzimisce at 05/16/2008 @ 01:43am
"the false comfort of appeasement"...now Mr. Bush is an historian and philosopher.
How about the "comfort" of the moms that lost their loved ones in Irak? How about the wars that only comfort big companies profiting on them? Wars that we will never win because we don't really know who the enemy is, and when detected it has already multiplied.
Why would not Obama talk to Ahmani??.. if Kennedy talk to Kruschev and Nixon to the Chinese communist leaders? Is every decision really in need to be filtered by Israel?
Peace will only be reached in the Middle East when the US - with all its power- adopts a more to-the-center approach while still supporting Israel's right to exist.
Posted by Frank42 at 05/16/2008 @ 01:55am
Posted by Frank42 at 05/16/2008
Duh didn't you know that this is America and in America we blow shit up and ask questions later, yee-haw! Yer fer us or again' us. Talking is for gays/queers, in America we have a "fuck yeah" attitude, and we do not talk because that's appeasement, except it's not, but we would know that if we read a book from time to time. Or had a good long think in a corner or well lifted our limbs off the ground and walked like men instead of Neanderthals.
Posted by Tzimisce at 05/16/2008 @ 02:01am
But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you (Luke 6:27-28).
Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse (Romans 12:14).
We work hard with our own hands. When we are cursed, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it (1 Corinthians 4:12).
Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good (Romans 12:17-21).
Posted by mikecope at 05/16/2008 @ 02:31am
Posted by Tzimisce at 05/16/2008
Well, I guess mr. obama is a christian by convenience, political convenience that is. Sadly, there's a whole lot of people who can easily trust obama's story. Actually, non-story since the guy just refuses talking about it and tries to hide it deep in his closet.
Posted by HelenDAO at 05/16/2008 @ 02:36am
Posted by Sorelish at 05/16/2008
Well, I guess Hillary could still run as independent. And why would you vote for a guy who couldn't pass security clearance? Dangerous.
Posted by HelenDAO at 05/16/2008 @ 02:40am
Posted by HelenDAO at 05/16/2008 | ignore this person
operation chaos still in full swing...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/16/2008 @ 03:29am
Methinks Obama doth protest too much.
Posted by abell12ct at 05/16/2008 @ 07:35am
"Do you approve or disapprove of the way Congress is handling its job?"
Approve Disapprove Unsure
5/8-12/08 16 76 8 10/23-29/07
21 70 10 8/7-13/07
20 70 10 6/5-11/07
23 66 11 4/25 - 5/1/07
39 52 9 2/21-28/06
25 63 11 11/28 - 12/4/05
27 61 11 7/21-25/05
30 60 10 12/7-12/04
37 51 13
http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob1.htm
Seems like the Dems in Congress are sucking wind too!
Posted by abell12ct at 05/16/2008 @ 07:44am
Show me what is a "false political attack" in what our President said:
"Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: "Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided." We have an obligation to call this what it is - the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."
It's easy to be depressed when all you see is evil in everything. I hope you people get some psychiatric help to deal with all the bad things you imagine.
Posted by Nob City at 05/16/2008 @ 07:47am
Jeez, Helen, stop with the idiocy. If you don't like Obama for his policies or his voting record, fine. I can understand that. But when you post falsehoods, how is anyone supposed to take you seriously. The man was able to run and become elected senator but won't pass a security clearance? Yeah, right. Sorry. I'm not four years old and just because you say it doesn't make it true. If, and I mean if, you are trying to persuade people to your side, try again. You need to post things people don't know are false. Calling Obama a muslim does not make him one. Again, I'm sorry for giving you these facts. I wish it could be different for you. You might be happier but it is what it is. He's christian and he was born in the US. There's no way around those fatcs no matter how many times you express the contrary. Do you want a hug? Well, I'm here if you need one.
Posted by k330k at 05/16/2008 @ 07:49am
I don't see evil in everything, nob city(hah! that's funny). I see terrible mismanagement. I don't see what the big deal is, though. George Bush said these things. The fact that Bush is the one speaking should preclude anybody from listening anyway. Big whoop.
Posted by k330k at 05/16/2008 @ 07:55am
For a siting President to smear a presidential candidate on foreign soil the must really eithe rhate Barack or fear him and if anyone thinks that it was not Barack he was referring well they are actually admitting that George W Bush is capable of a launching sutble attacks. That was directed at Barack Obama A its not the first time the he has said it and B Obama name was mentioned in discussion following.
But in all efforts he may have done Obama a favor by saying look I'm exhibit A as to what a disastrous foreign policy is and this guy doesnt agree with anything I say. George Bush is going to drag the republicans into the toilet where they belong.
Carol
Posted by harriscrl3 at 05/16/2008 @ 09:16am
Hamas Likes David Archuleta Effect On Idol Voting Unclear
(this is from my fake news blog http://www.richieville.com)
Richieville News Service –GAZA Pundits of the right and left, along with music industry executives and several million teenage girls, clashed today over what appeared to be an endorsement of American Idol contestant David Archuleta by the radical Islamic organization Hamas. The disputed remarks came at the end of a press conference given by Hamas spokesman Ahmed Yousef, when he digressed from his comments about the latest round of violence between Israel and Palestinians to say, "I really like David Archuleta. I hope he wins."
Later, in response to an unrelated question, Mr. Yousef returned to the subject, exclaiming, "Yo! Yo! Check it out! Randy's right - that boy can sing the phone book, dawg!" He was referring to one of the three judges on the televised singing contest, record producer Randy Jackson.
Mr. Archuleta, when told of the comments by the Hamas spokesman, giggled uncontrollably for several minutes and then said earnestly. "I am just so happy to be here. This is like a dream come true."
Meanwhile, fans of the other finalist, David Cook, suggested that a vote for Archuleta would be a vote for terror. Tiffany Shuler, age 13, of White Plains, New York, issued a statement on behalf of herself, and her best friends forever, Amber Waletsky and Shawnia James. "David Archuleta is an appeaser and as we learned from the example of Neville Chamberlain surrendering the Sudetenland to Hitler in 1938, appeasement does not work. Plus, David Cook is like, so totally hot! He rocks!"
Producers of the talent show went out of their way to stress that Mr. Archuleta had not sought out the endorsement of the extremist group, saying that, "David Archuleta has absolutely no connection with any form of state-sponsored terrorism and in fact does not even know where Israel and Palestine are on the map."
The controversy over Mr. Yousef's remarks threatened to overshadow the war of words set off by his previous statements expressing a preference for Senator Barack Obama in the U.S. presidential elections. There was some speculation that the Islamic fundamentalist group was, in fact, trying to frighten voters away from Mr. Archuleta by tying him closely to a group that the U.S. has declared a terrorist organization. This line of reasoning is based on rumors that the Hamas leadership, like Ms. Shuler, has come to the conclusion that Mr. Cook does indeed, "rock."
Mr. Yousef concluded the press conference by also indicating Hamas' preferences for Dancing With The Stars and the Tony Awards. "If Kristi doesn't win, we're going to be very upset," he said. "I mean, did you see her tango last week?" In the Tonys, he said Hamas favors Xanadu, adding, "We just like kitsch, what can I say?" He also expressed the group's pleasure at Whitney's being named America's Next Top Model.
Whatever his motivation, the Hamas spokesman seemed genuine in his admiration for the American Idol show. "One reason we might consider peace talks is so we can all go to Hollywood for a taping. It would be great to meet Ryan and Paula and Randy. We dig them all so much. Except for Simon. He's mean."
Posted by richieville at 05/16/2008 @ 11:12am
Posted by HelenDAO at 05/16/2008
Soooo then the wright thing doesn't matter because he's Muslim? It doesn't matter what people will believe. That doesn't make it true. Does Bush dancing around with swords make him Saudi? Hell I wore cowboy clothes when I was a kid does that make me Wyatt Earp? Jesus where do you people come up with this crap. You will believe anything. Hey Helen, I saw a dog in a police uniform. I bet he's a cop.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/16/2008 @ 11:26am
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/16/2008
Look Helen got some very secret, for his/her eyes only, emails about the subject, and we all know that if it is in an email then it just has to be true. Or maybe some other "reliable" source knows the real "truth" and that one uncomfortable photo of Obama just proves it.
Though I personally fail to see that it is politically expedient for him to be a Christian for 20 plus years. Oh thats right he wasn't always a Christian, before that he was Agnostic, and we all know one can't come later into the faith, oh wait you can.
The truth is out there folks you just need your tinfoil hats adjusted to receive that message.
Posted by Tzimisce at 05/16/2008 @ 11:37am
>>>In an op-ed published Friday in The Washington Post, former Clinton State Department official James Rubin said that McCain, responding to a question in a television interview two years ago about whether U.S. diplomats should be working with the Hamas government in Gaza, said:
"They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another, and I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy toward Hamas because of their dedication to violence and the things that they not only espouse but practice, so ... But it's a new reality in the Middle East. I think the lesson is people want security and a decent life and decent future, that they want democracy. Fatah was not giving them that."<<<
Posted by Metteyya at 05/16/2008 @ 1:15pm
It looks like McCain is going to have a Romney "flip-flop" problem in November as he attempts to change his position on a number of issues to appeal to various constituencies.
The problem is, where does the REAL John McCain stand on these issues?
Posted by Metteyya at 05/16/2008 @ 1:17pm
BTW, EVERYBODY knows that in about 2 1/2 weeks, HELEN is going to "come out of the closet" as a McCain supporter.
Posted by Mask at 05/16/2008
operation chaos operative...probably some rightwing 40 something with a thing for asian women. does unspeakable things to pics of michelle malkin...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/16/2008 @ 1:40pm
1. You are nothing but ignorant. You always try to negotiate first! Only a moron suggests war before negotiation ESPECIALLY when both sides have expressed interest in negotiation. Whether you think they are the pure enemy or not doesn't matter. For the security of the world it makes more sense to make more friends than enemies. People who enjoy the though of killing like you won't be able to understand diplomacy. But if we could have talked to the Germans instead of fighting them think about how many people we could have saved.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/15/2008
What pray tell can you negotiate with someone who repeatedly declares that you will soon disappear off the face of the earth?
How do you make friends with someone like that? You make friends with people where you are able to find some common ground, even if your differences remain great. That is what we have done with Russia. Russia shares an equal concern with absolute destruction. Ahmadinejad, Hamas, and Hezbollah share no similar concern. For them, martyrdom is the only guaranteed way into Paradise. So there is no place for negotiations with these people.
And yes Mask, if McCain believes that, he is just as wrong.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/16/2008 @ 1:57pm
And yes Mask, if McCain believes that, he is just as wrong.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/16/2008
but LL - diplomacy does not necc. mean "making friends" even.
diplomatic initiatives can indeed fail...but to refuse to even attempt diplomacy seems a bit absurd to me.
as chris matthews pointed out last night on his interview with that moron kevin james...
diplomacy is not appeasement. appeasement is the result of bad/weak diplomacy...diplomatic initiatives can indeed be pointless...but to no even attempt means we will never know one way or the other.
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/16/2008 @ 2:09pm
diplomacy is not appeasement. appeasement is the result of bad/weak diplomacy...diplomatic initiatives can indeed be pointless...but to no even attempt means we will never know one way or the other.
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/16/2008
So, my question for you then is the same as to CCC3,
Where do you find a way to dialogue with someone who repeatedly states that you will soon disappear of the face of the earth and is not afraid of sacrificing their nation's existence for the goal of martyrdom?
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/16/2008 @ 2:12pm
BTW,
Obama states that Democrats believe in tough diplomacy. Can someone cite , any Democratic leader who has demonstrated tough diplomacy since the days of Truman and Kennedy?
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/16/2008 @ 2:15pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/16/2008
Have you talked to them? Do you know you CAN'T find a common ground as your stating?
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/16/2008 @ 2:26pm
Have you talked to them? Do you know you CAN'T find a common ground as your stating?
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/16/2008
There is no need to talk to them when they have made their position quite clear by both their words and their deeds.
Do you talk to the mass murderer while he's cutting your throat?
What common ground is there with someone who advocates your destruction and claims it is coming soon? (that applies to both the US and Israel).
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/16/2008 @ 2:29pm
Where do you find a way to dialogue with someone who repeatedly states that you will soon disappear of the face of the earth and is not afraid of sacrificing their nation's existence for the goal of martyrdom?
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/16/2008 |
perhaps you don't...but attempting to is how you find out.
also sometimes things change. also sometimes people in power rely on inflamatory speech for many reasons and can be persuaded to back off without losing face...
or repeated efforts at diplomatic resolution by one power, backed by strength, can result in another power's elite losing credibility within their own country.
lots of possibilities, LL. as you know, i'm no fan of islamism and am fully cognizant of the long term and very real threat to the world it presents, but just as the united states waged a 5 decade long cold war of containment in which proxy wars, ideological sparring, and worldwide assistance to those who opposed our enemies were interspersed with constant and frequent diplomacy, might such an approach be effective in this case as well?
again this has nothing to do with weakness. just the opposite...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/16/2008 @ 3:24pm
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/16/2008
Understood IBB, but I still have not heard one person articulate how any common ground is possible.
Even if Iran is just blustering about us, they certainly are not when it comes to Israel. They have proven with their financing of Hamas and Hezbollah that they remain committed to the destruction of the Jews and the nation of Israel. For that reason alone, we cannot legitimize their behavior.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/16/2008 @ 3:32pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/16/2008
I think the Iranians realistically know they can't destroy Israel and especially not the US. Negotiating is not legitimizing it is trying to end something without resorting to killing. A common tactic used by warhawks is to say that anyone who seeks to try diplomacy first is looking to sell out to the enemy. I want to try diplomacy BEFORE fighting. I don't deny that if we try diplomacy and the Iranians commit to a violent attack against Israel or any country then yes we will have to act violently to stop them. But until the ACTUAL threat of violence arises, ie. troop movements and bolstering, then I think we should try talking first.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/16/2008 @ 3:40pm
I think the Iranians realistically know they can't destroy Israel and especially not the US. Negotiating is not legitimizing it is trying to end something without resorting to killing. A common tactic used by warhawks is to say that anyone who seeks to try diplomacy first is looking to sell out to the enemy. I want to try diplomacy BEFORE fighting. I don't deny that if we try diplomacy and the Iranians commit to a violent attack against Israel or any country then yes we will have to act violently to stop them. But until the ACTUAL threat of violence arises, ie. troop movements and bolstering, then I think we should try talking first.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/16/2008
Your argument falls apart immediately because Iran is currently engaged in trying to destroy Israel. They are simply working through 3rd parties -Hamas and Hezbollah.
Until they agree to stop funding both of those organizations, there can be no dialogue.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/16/2008 @ 3:51pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/16/2008
You can easily make the argument that Hamas is trying to retrieve their stolen land...
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/16/2008 @ 4:07pm
israel is destroying israel.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/16/2008 @ 4:16pm
hey pastor,
why don't you go over there and personally kill some of them bad guys.
make sure you maim some kids, too.
jesus will thank you.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/16/2008 @ 4:19pm
You can easily make the argument that Hamas is trying to retrieve their stolen land...
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/16/2008
Not at all. It was never theirs. When the British land known as Palestine was granted independence, two states were formed; Israel for the Jews, and Jordan for the Arabs. Jews and Arabs were permitted to live in either country if they wanted. And the Arabs got the better of the deal since even with the lands won in wars by Israel, they are still much smaller in size than Jordan.
And do you call making your charter declare that you will not stop fighting until every Jew is dead, a legitimate cause?
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/16/2008 @ 4:22pm
And do you call making your charter declare that you will not stop fighting until every Jew is dead, a legitimate cause?
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/16/2008
I don't know lately it seems like Americans think we need to kill every Muslim...
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/16/2008 @ 4:49pm
Katrina, you Card!
We both know it's not defamation if it's true!
"I would go on to point out that when it comes to talking to Syria, Israeli leaders would seem to agree with Barack Obama and not President Bush."
Well sure, but to do so you would have to LIE.
"As the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported, Israel and Syrian negotiators met in secret from September 2004 to July 2006 and reportedly agreed on the main points of a peace agreement."
Yep. This was over the Syrian invasion of and proxy war in Lebanon. And since that time, Syria has reneged on and violated the agreement several times.
I guess Liberal Socialist Liars never learn.
"Obama might well ask the Bush Administration:" …. is it possible to make peace with Syria when they are utterly unable to stop violating the agreements they make?
I suspect Obama the liar will not be asking that question.
But then Obama would say something utterly stupid like: "I benefited from Affirmative Action, but I got where I am on my own merits."
Even funnier was: "My Islamic background will give me insights that the other candiidates will not have." Followed by: "I am not now, nor have I ever been a Muslim."
Now terrorist Hamas endorses him and he hesitates to disavow it!
HILARIOUS!
Better yet: Obama could truthfully say: "They are accusing me of saying that I would meet unconditionally with terrorists, which is exactly what I said."
What does he say instead? "Bush is in foreign soil attacking a political opponent over domestic policy, which is just not right."
Iran is a domestic topic? What, it's one of the 57 states? On foreign soil attacking? Just like Jimmy Carter? !!
Too funny. What an idiot!
"should be engaging with them to search for alternatives to war."
Hellooooo. How dumb do you have to be? Well, okay, that's out of line.
How much of a liar do you have to be? There, that's better.
Engaging people who have sworn to eradicate you, for alternatives to war?
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008 "the chimp-in-chief" Are you getting ready to act offended when someone calls Curious Obama the "chimp in chief"? Buffoon.
"but its funny how mushmouth negotiates with the north koreans now...that they have nukes!!!! "
Ah. More utter stupidity.
I recall folks like yourself lovingly responded here to Katrina's assertions that Bush's hex-partisan talks with NK were a mistake and Bush should have used "cowboy diplomacy" and "gone it alone" with bipartisan talks like Slick Willie did. This was after vilifying Bush for "going it alone" and using "cowboy diplomacy" on other fronts. Yep. Willie gave ‘em fuel and technology with the promise of not pursuing nukes, while NK immediately violated the agreement and pursued nukes. Better yet, the whorehouse under the Clinton administration actually helped supply the technology.
You are comical in your stupidity. Let me guess: Circus Clown, right? CBS News political analyst? Same thing, I guess.
Posted by hsuBfools at 05/15/2008 PRESIDENT hsuB – Overall Job Rating in national polls
I'm glad I stopped by. I'm feeling smarter by the minute.
You must have been watching (and believing) ABC the other night. Yep. It went like this:
"Here's Bush's low approval rating. What? No, we're not going to show the Dem's even worse approval rating! Now, here's the percentage of Americans who think the country is ‘moving in the wrong direction'. Now let's hire a masseuse and do a few backflips for the camera and: Voila! Clearly Americans think that Bush is moving us in the wrong direction and NOBODY thinks that Liberal Socialism is taking us the wrong way."
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/15/2008 "that still gives FAUXNEWS a big chunk of viewership..."
So, when Faux News reports Hussein's 57 state slip while ABC, C-BS, NBC, P-BS, CNN, etc, will not mention it, "Faux" News lies, right?
Too funny! You fools don't see that the "Mainsream" can't keep up with the bailing because people see factual alternatives. Anyone with half an ounce of sense either doesn't believe the "Mainstream" or simply doesn't waste their time watching it.
Yes, yes, I know. The half ounce of sense part disqualifies the Socialists here.
The unemployment rate in the Leftist journalism community is probably as bad as the rate in a one state recession caused by Democrat Granholm! (To be fair: while there are massive job losses there, one sector shows job growth: the Taxpayer funded Government sector!)
Hey! Let's make this even more fun. Look what can be done while the "Mainstream" media is silent about Barack Quayle Obama's 57 state slip.
http://www.cafepress.com/suitablyflip.264168797
Posted by LibsWarnedU at 05/15/2008 "I got two words for you Republicans", ….. JOE KENNEDY.
Prescott Bush's bank lending to Hitler?
So, this would be somewhat less than on a par with AMBASSADOR Joe Kennedy supporting Hitler because he liked the jew eradication program, and eventually resigning his post in shame? (Speaking figuratively, of course. We all know that Kennedy's have no shame)
Yep. At the time, Joe Kennedy was called "Germany's best friend" by the Nazi Ambassador.
Hah! What fun! What a bunch of ignorant sock puppets!
Sounds rather like the American Communists who wanted to stay out of the war, until Hitler moved against the Soviets.
Yes, ibbl. I know you can be civil, if not intelligent. (at least with people who agree with you)
"perhaps you don't...but attempting to is how you find out. "
Been attempted several times with these folks over the years. Every time we get an empty wallet handed back or worse. C'mon ibbl, even an old dog can learn, why can't you folks? What's it gonna take, shock therapy?
Well, since it looks like the rest of the Socialist posts here are just more babbling stupidity, I guess I'll sign off. You sycophants aren't offering anything substantive that might be remotely considered challenging.
Posted by nighthawk750 at 05/16/2008 @ 4:57pm
Posted by nighthawk750 at 05/16/2008 |
let me guess...yer kevin james, right?
well, you will always have your warm, fuzzy fascist lies to keep you comfy for the long night coming for you sorry cryptofascist TREASONOUS TRAITORS!!!!
just keep mindlessly repeating those mantra like rightwing non sequiter chum talking points over and over and over...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/16/2008 @ 5:47pm
You know what's funny to me. When Bill made comments about Bush abroad all the conserves here were up in arms about HOW CAN HE POSSIBLY SAY THOSE THINGS TO NON AMERICANS, he's a traitor blah blah blah. But when our current President makes these comments about an upcoming President everyone tries to say it's ok...
I'm just saying a word that begins with H and ends in crite comes to mind.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/17/2008 @ 12:59pm