The last really good primary night for Barack Obama was February 19, when the senator from Illinois won the Wisconsin primary by a 58-41 margin.
Since then, the candidate who has been on the verge of claiming the Democratic presidential nomination for so very long has struggled to "close the deal."
He did not close it Tuesday night.
But he did have his best finish since February. And that finish all but assures that this most unlikely presidential contender will soon eventually secure the nomination of his party.
The headlines may suggest that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton split Tuesday's primaries in North Carolina and Indiana -- with North Carolina for Obama and Indiana for Clinton.
But it was not an even split.
As Obama secured a landslide win in North Carolina, Clinton barely prevailed in her firewall state of Indiana.
In North Carolina, Obama was ahead 56-42. His popular vote advantage was more than 230,000.
In Indiana, Clinton squeezed out a 50.5 to 49.5 win. Her popular vote advantage was barely 20,000.
Bottom Line No. 1: Obama has come out of a night that was supposed to be a mixed one for him with a solid boost in his delegate total. He now leads Clinton by more than 150 pledged delegates and the gap is widening.
Bottom Line No. 2: Barack Obama has finished the night with a tremendous improvement in his popular vote total -- a boost so significant that it now seems all but certain that he will finish the primary competition with an overall popular-vote advantage.
That's very bad news for Clinton, who really needed to narrow the margin in the delegate race and improve her popular vote position if she was going to make an effective appeal to wavering super delegates.
Obama's landslide win in North Carolina and his virtual tie in Indiana has dealt the Clinton its worst setback in months -- a defeat so serious that it is all but certain to undermine her ability to raise the money she needs to carry this campaign forward.
That doesn't mean the former first lady will quit campaigning before the West Virginia and Kentucky primaries she is likely to win.
But it would mean that whatever momentum might have been with Hillary Clinton before Tuesday's primary voting is now gone. And Barack Obama will be looking more and more like the candidate who Democrats will take on Republican John McCain in November.
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cast thy vision not upon the snakebeast for thou shall turn to stone.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/06/2008 @ 10:58pm
I know you're out there, FRANK....come on, just a quick "scenario" by which your Dark Goddess "can still win this thing"....come on!
heheh
Posted by Mask at 05/06/2008 @ 11:07pm
Thought I saw something. go past. My dog started barking out of the blue. "Frank? Is that you?"
Posted by winyahn at 05/06/2008 @ 11:37pm
That's really weird! It was Frank - silent & walking briskly- and right behind him, apparently pursuing him, was Vince Foster.
Posted by winyahn at 05/06/2008 @ 11:43pm
51-49
Tuesday, May 6, 2008 11:52:25 PM
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/06/2008 @ 11:47pm
Only Lake County to go -- gonna be a squeaker. Prognosticator say it could be in the 1500 - 2000 range. (one way or the other)
Posted by leftofcenter at 05/06/2008 @ 11:49pm
Well CNN just called it: 51-49, about a 20,000 vote margin. Nowhere near her decisive victory in PA and way overshadowed by her thumping in NC. Time for another message re-tool methinks. After all surrender is not an option.
Posted by yutsano at 05/07/2008 @ 01:31am
Well, it's finally official.
After tonight the superdelegates will begin checking in for Obama and the money will dry up for Clinton. Of course, she will stick around for a couple of weeks or so.
But the Hildebeast's days are now numbered in the very low double digits.
Nah, nah, nah-nah,
Nah, nah, nah-nah,
Hey, hey, hey.......
Good Riddance!!!
Posted by b_kool_66 at 05/07/2008 @ 01:34am
I heard on Air America today a commentary from someone at The Nation - not sure which writer it was, but the message condemned the tone of the campaigning in this primary season. He took to task the Clintons and their campaign people, the McCain campaign and the media, particularly Tim and George. I was struck that whomever was commenting did not hold Senator Obama's campaign to any standard at all in terms of its tone and actions as his campaign wasn't mentioned at all. I found that to not only interesting, but telling as I would think that The Nation would certainly qualify as a part of the media.
Posted by YahYah at 05/07/2008 @ 01:37am
Prove that Obama's campaign has approached anywhere the dirty mudslinging Rovian tactics of Clinton's. Give one example please.
Oh wait...H.T.O.T.D... never mind.
Posted by yutsano at 05/07/2008 @ 01:52am
I was looking for my comment and it timewarped...just when you think you've gotten all the bugs out...
Posted by yutsano at 05/07/2008 @ 01:58am
With HRC's Indiana margin just under 2%, and the % of voters who were GOP crossovers in Operation Chaos at over 2%, Billary in fact lost the Indiana primary by a thin margin. It's all over, but count on Billary to continue dirty fighting in public until Gore, Edwards & Carter finally stand up & bring it to a close ... at which point, Billary will continue their sabotage sub rosa, bet on it.
Posted by sloper at 05/07/2008 @ 06:48am
Posted by mihnea at 05/7/200
Doesw anyone understand what the hell this person is saying?
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/07/2008 @ 07:16am
Posted by sloper at 05/7/2008
That is actually a good point to bring up. It begs the question of how many of her voters were GOP crossovers who will vote McCain come November. If a good portion of them were then she really did lose amongst Demos in Indiana which doesn't bode well for her because the supers will know that and so will the people who are supposed to give her money. Which means to them this was a loss not a narrow win.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/07/2008 @ 07:18am
I have been amused by the millionaire Clinton's assertion that Obama, of all people, is an "elitist".
Now come the reports that she is once again preparing to lend money to her campaign.
I hope she leaves herself enough money for beer and bowling.
Posted by drhammer at 05/07/2008 @ 07:32am
Russert to Olbermann: it's over, Billary's campaign is broke & can't raise enough $. She may withdraw this week? She's cancelled all appearnces, so she can talk it over with her closest. May reason prevail, but .... but .... how reasonable have Billary been lately?
Posted by sloper at 05/07/2008 @ 07:34am
Well, congratulations. Obama did well enough that the probability of his self-destruction may be too small for Clinton to be able to continue.
Now all you guys have to do it pray that the economy doesn't get better, pray the price of gas doesn't go down, pray for droughts and crop failures this summer, pray that things don't get better in Iraq, pray for more successful terrorist activity and your guy just might win this thing with his promises of non-specific change.
Posted by marybretbrad at 05/07/2008 @ 07:52am
b_kool: "Hildebeast" ...LOL
Posted by mihnea at 05/7/2008 Exit polls showed "In both states, whites who said race was an important factor were favoring Clinton, as they have before."
Posted by leftofcenter at 05/07/2008 @ 08:00am
"the clinton campaign is finished." are you kidding? hillary's options are endless, and yesterday's primaries may be just what she needed to finally start thinking outside the box in this election. just a few of the things hillary might do now: 1) forge a ticket with john mccain. 2) run as an independent (you go girl!) 3) assassinate obama. there are all kinds of ways this little energizer bunny can keep on ticking. only an elitist could possibly fail to see that.
Posted by jasonrhodes at 05/07/2008 @ 08:01am
Posted by mihnea at 05/7/2008
One problem with the new format is that it's not time-stamped.
Unless I'm here and seeing the real-time refresh, it's difficult to tell whether the "contributor" is posting early in the morning before receiving their meds, or late in the evening after the bars close.
Posted by drhammer at 05/07/2008 @ 08:31am
Posted by marybretbrad at 05/7/2008
I don't think anything will get better in the few months till the generals. I don't think it will require droughts or terrorist activities. But if things don't buck up a little McCain will be advertised as Bush number 2 which Obama has already started doing and that will hurt him.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/07/2008 @ 08:45am
"I heard on Air America today a commentary from someone at The Nation - not sure which writer it was, but the message condemned the tone of the campaigning in this primary season. He took to task the Clintons and their campaign people, the McCain campaign and the media, particularly Tim and George. I was struck that whomever was commenting did not hold Senator Obama's campaign to any standard at all in terms of its tone and actions as his campaign wasn't mentioned at all. I found that to not only interesting, but telling as I would think that The Nation would certainly qualify as a part of the media."
That's because the Obama campaign hasn't been negative, hasn't attacked Clinton in response to her coninuing bobardment, and more importantly hasn't been deceitful. Obama specifically has stayed away from these tactics. Of course this could be because of the fact that they are in the lead, but I don't think so since this is the approach they used the entire campign, even when Clinton was in the lead early on.
Posted by danconstan at 05/07/2008 @ 08:49am
Posted by drhammer at 05/7/2008
Good point, too much booze or too few meds. Why is it that Billary attract the nut cases & bigots? Soon enough, the losers will have McCain the Bush clone to keep them foaming.
Posted by sloper at 05/07/2008 @ 08:49am
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/7/2008
Nice of you to offer a thoughtful response to a blatantly insipid assertion.
While MBB has frequently displayed the capacity for thoughtful comment, the one referenced was just far-right talk radio-style idiocy, implying that liberals are America-haters hoping for the worst because that would be the only scenario that would confirm their beliefs. That approach has the distinct odor of projection.
And we all can do much better.
Posted by drhammer at 05/07/2008 @ 08:54am
Posted by sloper at 05/7/2008
Look, I'm sure that Hillary hasn't exactly cornered the market on nut-case followers.
I was responding specifically to Mihnea's posts, which are only just coherent enough to telegraph the racism.
Posted by drhammer at 05/07/2008 @ 09:00am
Okay, I have to apologize...
Obviously "mihnea" is NOT the Hillary Troll of the Day.
The H.T.O.T.D. would be a paid staffer (or a goof who loves the Dark Goddess so much he/she kept getting new Hotmail accounts to make it seem as if She was popular).
"mihnea" is obviously a NUT, who has English as a second language.
I think somebody suggested HELENDAO's sister...which could be right.
But I was wrong to accuse mihnea of being the Hillary Troll....my bad.
Posted by Mask at 05/07/2008 @ 09:03am
Chalk up the Indiana "victory" to Rush Limbaugh. Dittohead spoilers more than account for the margin of pyrrhic victory. That is a stake in HRC's heart not new hope.
Worse, she disgraced herself by running the most openly racist Democratic campaign since George Wallace was shot. The coded appeal to "white woorking class" voters looks exactly like pandering to racial fears and stereotypes. 1% tainted margin and Indiana is scorched earth.
Posted by Truffledog at 05/07/2008 @ 09:04am
"Look, I'm sure that Hillary hasn't exactly cornered the market on nut-case followers."
She shares them with McCain, soon enough to be all his
Posted by sloper at 05/07/2008 @ 09:04am
"Look, I'm sure that Hillary hasn't exactly cornered the market on nut-case followers."
She shares them with McCain, soon enough to be all his.
Posted by sloper at 05/07/2008 @ 09:04am
Posted by Mask at 05/6/2008
The ONLY scenario in which Hillary gets 2025 delegates is if she wins ALL of the remaining contests by 65% AND gets 60% of the remaining undecided superdelegates. This means SHE REALLY CAN'T WIN, so her staying in the race now is only to cause havoc in the Democratic party.
Posted by Metteyya at 05/07/2008 @ 09:07am
Posted by Metteyya at 05/7/2008
Actually the MOST generous scenario would be she has to win by 59% in the remaining states and get 59% of the supers.
Neither of which can realistically happen.
Posted by Mask at 05/07/2008 @ 09:11am
Posted by sloper at 05/7/2008
You got that right!
Hillary lost BOTH Indiana and North Carolina if you subtract the Operation Chaos votes she got from Republicans who think she would be the weakest opponent for them in November.
In Indiana, in particular, their open primary rules allowed 10% of Republicans to participate in the Democratic primary, when this number has been 6% or less in contests prior to Operation Chaos and before McCain secured the Republican nomination. This 4% swing to Hillary is FALSE SUPPORT, and would have meant a 53-47 LOSS in Indiana for Hillary without Operation Chaos!
Posted by Metteyya at 05/07/2008 @ 09:16am
Now all you guys have to do it pray that the economy doesn't get better, pray the price of gas doesn't go down, pray for droughts and crop failures this summer, pray that things don't get better in Iraq, pray for more successful terrorist activity and your guy just might win this thing with his promises of non-specific change.
Posted by marybretbrad at 05/7/2008
Why? First why would anyone hope for such tragedies to continue? and I guess you are suggesting that it would break the link in causation that is Bush Co. and their terrible, negligent handling of the country, but you know negligence is negligence no matter if the person receives a head injury or a broken arm. Fact is things could get better, and I hope they do, but it doesn't change the fact the McCain will be more of the same failed policies.
Posted by Tzimisce at 05/07/2008 @ 09:28am
Posted by Metteyya at 05/7/2008 |
As much as I hate stupid Rush ditto heads that like to fuck around with our democracy, let's not play the game of "if you subtract this..." She won Indiana it was close, but she won.
Posted by Tzimisce at 05/07/2008 @ 09:30am
pray that the economy doesn't get better,
pray the price of gas doesn't go down,
pray for droughts and crop failures this summer,
pray that things don't get better in Iraq,
pray for more successful terrorist activity
Posted by marybretbrad
wow, you really hate america!
Wednesday, May 7, 2008 9:42:43 AM
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/07/2008 @ 09:37am
Posted by Tzimisce at 05/7/2008
It is not a GAME - it is REAL!
All you have to do is look at the NUMBERS!
A 4% increase in crossover voters COINCIDED with McCain securing the Republican nomination and Operation Chaos organizing efforts to urge Republicans to vote for Hillary as the weakest opponent for them!
To use a sports analogy - let's say that you counted the baskets of fans throwing balls in the hoop in your total for the game and these EXTRA POINTS put you over the top against your opponent. No REASONABLE person would count those points, and no REASONABLE political observer should count those votes in deciding whether Hillary really has won Indiana.
Posted by Metteyya at 05/07/2008 @ 09:41am
Posted by Tzimisce at 05/7/2008
On the street, and in the media, it's a victory.
But as has been mentioned here before, the superdels and the money people certainly understand the implications of the subversive crossover vote.
Posted by drhammer at 05/07/2008 @ 09:44am
columnextensioncolumnextensioncolumnextensioncolumnextensioncolumnextens ion
A CounterPunch Special Investigation -- How Barack Obama Fronted for the Most Vicious Predators on Wall Street -- 5 May 2008
'...Seven of the Obama campaign's top 14 donors consisted of officers and employees of the same Wall Street firms charged time and again with looting the public and newly implicated in originating and/or bundling fraudulently made mortgages. These latest frauds have left thousands of children in some of our largest minority communities coming home from school to see eviction notices and foreclosure signs nailed to their front doors. Those scars will last a lifetime....
On February 10, 2005, Senator Obama voted in favor of the passage of the Class Action Fairness Act of 2005. Senators Biden, Boxer, Byrd, Clinton, Corzine, Durbin, Feingold, Kerry, Leahy, Reid and 16 other Democrats voted against it. It passed the Senate 72-26 and was signed into law on February 18, 2005....
Three days before Senator Obama expressed that fateful yea vote, 14 state attorneys general, including Lisa Madigan of Senator Obama's home state of Illinois, filed a letter with the Senate and House, pleading to stop the passage of this corporate giveaway...'
Posted by HonestLiberal at 05/07/2008 @ 09:44am
I have supported Obama from the begining. I live in NY and I know how Clinton totally deserted the whole state in favor of certain interests, especially her own. I am especially encouraged that Obama has been able to take on the mccain/hrc establishment dirty polit ics and still have his integrity, forthrightness, honesty, and independent intelligent policy-making which is the ONLY way to rise above and claim America's right as a world leader again. There is no alternative, replacing one dynasty for another helps no one, working class upper class etc...HRC can drink a beer but then falls right in line with neocons and mccain every time so far.....Gas prices and food prices will also not go down under a third Bush term of utopian social engineering overseas and nonstop failed debacles both foreign and dometic, resulting from faulty logic and outright delusional thinking.....I will vote democrat no matter what. HoweverI do not appreciate clinton lies and pandering..we are better than that and deserve better than that..ALL OF US!! bottom line...but if we don't all come together and she stretches this out for no reason except her own personal win at all costs mentality and attempts to divide this country...I will be independent from now on and I guess have no reason at all to vote this election....I will NOT vote for mccain...I too have integrity.....
Posted by jrs112 at 05/07/2008 @ 09:46am
I think somebody suggested HELENDAO's sister...which could be right.
But I was wrong to accuse mihnea of being the Hillary Troll....my bad.
Posted by Mask
actually, i think "mihnea" is a male romanian name.
http://www.mihneafiran.ro/
Wednesday, May 7, 2008 9:51:55 AM
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/07/2008 @ 09:50am
mihnea,
it would be interesting to hear/read what you have to say, but it's very hard to even understand what it is you're trying to say with the all-caps, question marks and exclamation points scattered throughout your posts.
Posted by dubbs33 at 05/07/2008 @ 09:57am
Posted by Tzimisce at 05/7/2008
Please vote.
Hold your nose if you have to, but please vote.
This nation's healing has to begin with the removal of the Republicans and the cancer of neoconservatism.
Please vote.
Posted by drhammer at 05/07/2008 @ 10:01am
Posted by HonestLiberal at 05/7/2008
Was that..........humor? It's ALIVE!!!!
Posted by Benchrest at 05/07/2008 @ 10:03am
Posted by HonestLiberal at 05/7/2008
You really are not helping Hillary by merely repeating her talking points without any REAL analysis. For anyone who is interested in the substance of this act, go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_Action_Fairness_Act_of_2005
It is obvious to many of us who have been part of the legal industry that class action abuse is REAL. Often, plaintiff attorneys are THE ONLY ONES benefiting from these suits, as class members are getting hundreds or less while attorneys are making MILLIONS.
Attorneys fees that are excessive in relation to the benefits afforded to individual class members should be reduced, and this is a GOOD thing as it will discourage a lot of these unnecessary lawsuits that make America the laughing stock of the world as an OVERLY-LITIGIOUS society.
Posted by Metteyya at 05/07/2008 @ 10:20am
Does anyone remember the Obama advisor who quit because she called Hillary a "monster"? I think her name was Cassandra. Ok, "rat" might have been a better descriptor. When things calm down a little, Obama should invite her back to work. She ought not to be banished for having been right in the end.
Posted by mikhailovich at 05/07/2008 @ 10:38am
After veiwing the Operation Chaos cross overs, the number of Hillary supporters and Obama supporters who say they will not support the winners of the Dems circular firing squad..I'd say the only way for the Dems to win in Nov is to join the ticket together...and it might be a squeaker after that..none of this bodes well for the country, for there seems to be no excitement for any of the canidates in the land except their respective choirs...and McCain doesn't even have that luxury, for his choir sings a different tune....
Looks like the voters, therefore, America, loses in November all the way around...
and the next president will have a tought time, especially if it is Obama with no resume or experience to fall back on in tough times.....we are in for a rough ride...be smart, the next President is 4 years and OUT, no matter who he/she is..
protect your assets now...before it is too late.
Posted by JOMAMMA at 05/07/2008 @ 10:52am
Hillary just "loaned" her campaign another $6 million dollars. Who is the elitist again? She has $11 million to loan her campaign? I forgot how much Obama and MIchelle grossed last year but I don't think it was $11 million dollars. Also, that $11 million came from Hillary alone, not Hillary and Bill.
I still don't get how Hillary can call Obama an "elitist" and noone throws the hypocrisy of such statements back in her face. Hillary is from old, old money. The Rodhams were around during colonial times (if I'm not mistaken. If I am, please correct). Obama grew up being raised by a single mother, who was not born into money. Obama grandparents weren't rich. Obama was just smart enough to get into an Ivy League school thus setting him on his current path. There was no legacy for him at Yale(?). He couldn't get in off his family's name. So again, where does this "elitist" tag come from?
Posted by k330k at 05/07/2008 @ 10:59am
Posted by HonestLiberal at 05/7/2008
Darmok and Jalad, on the ocean!
Posted by Mask at 05/07/2008 @ 11:06am
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/7/2008
Yep...Hillary is outsourcing her paid blogger jobs....to Romania!
heheh
Posted by Mask at 05/07/2008 @ 11:09am
He couldn't get in off his family's name. So again, where does this "elitist" tag come from?
Posted by k330k at 05/7/2008
Affirmative action and scholarships...either way, he is now a member of an elitist group with millions in the bank..poised to run the biggest show in town with no resume or experience..who eles but an elitist can end up in that position?...or get away with bashing the land that has fed him into that position, like his $500k a year never proud of America wife?..
I am sorry, but they are in the same club as Clintons...the Dems never seem to find a real man of the people..always some guy with tons of dough in the bank claiming to understand the "poors pain"...and you all fall for it..(Think back, Gorem Edwards, Kerry,..Mondull?)
For the most part, the Repubs rich people running all acknowledge their advantages in wealth and status, and celebrate their success and want you to try to do it too, instead of saying you never can, but I will take care of you...it is a different paradigm view.
Posted by JOMAMMA at 05/07/2008 @ 11:25am
Posted by JOMAMMA at 05/7/2008
Where is the Repubs man of the people? What Bush because he hunts and fishes? Please Bush was the son of a President. He went to good schools because of his money. Please tell me which Republican is a "man of the people." Face it you hate Dems so you think everything they do is negative but ALL politicians are not "of the people." You have to be rich to run for Office and you have to be well connected which means you have to be elitist. Republicans will say you can do it too but then you look at most Republicans and they come from old money. A lot of them did not earn their wealth they inherited it. Which makes you more of an elitist than someone who actually had to earn their wealth.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/07/2008 @ 11:48am
CCC,
"Where is the Repubs man of the people?"
I do not make the claim they(REPUBS) say they are a man of the people nor do they claim to be one...that is a meaningless label...designed to fool'em into thinking I am one of you and I have your solution to your problems..
the dems say, Your prolem is the rich, the corporation, the other guy, then promise to "punish those"..and since I am one of you, you can trust me to "Get" those who are your problem...
The repubs say, you are capable to fix the your situation if we can get rid of certain policys and let you be free to do it on your own...those that cannot will be protected, but not cared for from cradle to grave..they preach more individual responsibility and not blame...and NEVER claim the mantle "man of the people"..that would be fraudulant.
To say Hillary or Obama understands the working class white or black is ridiculous..
It BOTH cases, the ones making the promises are from the same group...
as far as inherited wealth, yes there are some..Kennedys and Bush...examples, no doubt..but according to a book(study), less than 15% of wealth is inherited, the rest is earned....(See Millionare Next Door)...
Govt positions should be a temporary, volunteered, or min wage at best, a position one does as a civic duty..not a career...when one says, I have served in Congress or the Senate for 20 years, I wonder who was really "served"...?
another...once you leave office..NO LOBBYING. I was told it would take 5 years to get my product reviewed for possible consideration and testing to see if we could get our scanner machine into the fire codes...and then I was informed, for $10k a month for 1-2 years and 2% of company, I could get it into codes in less than a year, guarenteed....the offer came from....a friend of someone who knew a great lobbyist... Sen Torecelli...yup, the Hon Dem from Jersey....and he is not alone.
Posted by JOMAMMA at 05/07/2008 @ 12:41pm
Posted by JOMAMMA at 05/7/2008
Well my question is who are the Republicans talking to when, as you say, they tell people they are capable of fixing their situation? Don't be fooled, the Republicans weren't exactly fighting for welfare reform with gusto. Believe me both parties had things to gain by perpetuating the welfare cycle of hopelessness and low expectations. Republicans talked the good talk of "welfare queens" even though the majority of people on welfare were not minorities. The minorities were just the only ones the spotlight was on. Boy, ain't nothing like a racial divide to keep people under your thumb. Also, the republicans have the same amount of understanding of the working class as the Democrats. I'm sure there are some in both partis that do have atleast a modicum of understanding, it's just unfortunate that the ones running the show do not. nor do they seem to care(well, except when elections come around). I do agree with you, however, about government positions.
The interesting thing about Obama, to me, is that he is also saying the Americans are gonna have to do some of the fixing on their own. He said as much in his speech from Philadelphia.
Posted by k330k at 05/07/2008 @ 1:34pm
Posted by drhammer at 05/7/2008
There will be no holding of my nose when i proudly vote for obama in the fall.
Posted by Tzimisce at 05/07/2008 @ 1:39pm