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An international campaign to secure the immediate and unconditional release of Mohammad Othman, a human rights activist from Occupied West Bank, who has been detained without charge by Israel since September 22, is moving into high-gear.
Othman, 33, is from Jayyous, a village robbed of most of its agricultural land--including that of Othman's family--by Israel's separation wall and the illegal Zufim settlement, built by Russian billionaire Lev Leviev. Jayyous, along with the villages of Bi'lin and Ni'lin, have been the hubs of non-violent and often exuberantly creative resistance against the separation wall. Archbishop Desmond Tutu praised the Bi'lin protests as the legacy of those led by Gandhi, Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King.
Othman himself has campaigned with the Stop the Wall Campaign as well as on behalf of the Boycott Divestment Sanctions (BDS) movement, which aims to pressure Israel and companies, such as Leviev's, that are involved in the occupation and other human rights abuses against Palestinians. He recently travelled to Norway where he met with senior Norwegian officials, spoke about Israeli human rights abuses and encouraged the country's leaders to take further steps to hold Israel accountable. (Norway has already divested its funds from Elbit, an Israeli company which supplies drones and other military technology.)
On his return from this trip Othman was arrested by Israeli soldiers at the Allenby Bridge crossing, which links Jordan to the West Bank. Since his arrest, his period of detention has been extended twice at military hearings--at the last one on October 8 it was extended a further 12 days, based on "secret evidence" from the Shin Bet, the Israeli Security Agency. However, no charge has been made and, despite resquests from Othman's attorney, Shin Bet has not disclosed its "secret evidence" nor the reasons for the detention.
Over the past 23 days Othman has been held in solitary confinement in a tiny cell with no access to natural light. Addameer, the prisoners' support and human rights association, says it is possible that he will be released soon but fears he could face a renewable administrative detention order of one to six months, again without charge.
This is a deliberate tactic. Addameer reports that "Israel has regularly used administrative detention in the OPT [Occupied Palestinian Territories] to faciliate the detention of community activists and human rights defenders in cases where the prosecution lacks "suffiecient'--or, more likely, "any"--evidence against them" and, along with Stop the Wall, argues that "Mohammad's arrest should be viewed in a wider context of persistent Israeli repression against human rights defenders and activists who, like Mohmmad have been successful in their lobbying efforts, at home and abroad...'
Nation columnist and fellow BDS campaigner, Naomi Klein said: ‘I learned more from spending a day driving around the West Bank with Othman, following the land-grabbing path of the Wall, than I have from reading dozens of books. His passion for knowledge and his love of the land are astounding and contagious. But as we see with Mohammad Othman's arrest, Palestinians are still treated as the enemy, even when they embrace this non-violent tactic. It is clear that for the supposedly democratic Israeli state, no tactic – no matter how peaceful – is an acceptable way for Palestinians to resist an illegal occupation.'
Here are ways you can help free Othman:
Follow the Free Mohammad Othman blog and join the Facebook page for updates and action alerts.
Add your signature to this petition.
Sign and send a message to President Obama through the Jewish Voice for Peace online campaign.
Grassroots International has an online form which you can use to demand Othman's release in a letter to your representatives at consular offices in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem/Ramallah and to the Israeli Embassy in Washington DC.
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Mr othman is not the only one who is languishing in dreadful zionist chambers of horror.an estimated 700 young kids are presently in zionist jails.
the criminal nazi-zionists use the most vicious methods of torture against the arab detainees.one such method is the violent shaking of the head of their vitims to the point of causing permanent brain damage.
these animalistic and sadistic ways of destroying human beings are of course supported by great majority of american jews who use the holocaust industry to justify such horrors and crimes.
I accuse the american jews of being the willing executioners of dreadful zionism.without political and financial help from the american jews and the fascist religious right those criminals would not committ such horrendous acts.
fuck the zionist criminals and their supporters.
Posted by excalibur999 at 10/16/2009 @ 08:27am
"are of course supported by great majority of american jews"
evidence?
btw, thanks peter, another great story making its way through the interstices of the internet....
Posted by darladoon at 10/16/2009 @ 10:38am
Notable quotes from Lev Leviev:
"We have become completely confused. We are discussing something that we don't have to discuss - globalization, democratization. We need Judaization. First of all to know that we're Jews and that Jews have to live. And the moment we understand what our internal values are, everything will work out for us."[14]
"What is secular Judaism? Are you familiar with such a thing?...The moment you ask a child in Israel what Yom Kippur means to him, and he answers the Yom Kippur War, or a fun day on a bicycle - then I don't know if that is Zionism or whatever you call it, but it has certainly become bankrupt."[14]
"We have become somewhat confused in our democracy, we've forgotten that in order to have a prime minister in the country, we have to let him lead the country...He's a king, you have to let him work and not drink his blood day and night in investigations."[14]
"I think that Putin was a wonderful leader when it comes to faith and freedom of religion, for all the nations here...I wish the Jews themselves would appreciate the Jews the way Putin knows how to appreciate them. That's our problem in Israel."[14]
"In my opinion, a Jew who doesn't live in Israel has no right to decide its future. Only Jews who live in Israel do, for good or for ill."[14]
Do check out the link on Mr. Leviev that Peter includes. Fascinating and disturbing.
http://adalahny.org/index.php/boycott- divestment-a-sanction/boycott-against-land-developers-leviev?start=3
Zionist Russian Jewish Mafia.
Posted by OneVote at 10/16/2009 @ 11:52am
October 15, 2009 Categories:Congress Gillibrand, Schumer, drop out of J Street conference;
Ben Smith, Politico -
Two notable defactions from J Street's October Conference are Schumer and Gillibrand.
Watch the war on moderation. You can't EVEN BE IN SEEN IN THE SAME COMPANY AS MODERATE AND LIBERAL JEWS.
Something is very wrong.
The American Jewish community needs to stop pussyfooting around. If Germans should share "collective guilt" for doing nothing, then Jews should do the same.
Tell Schumer and Gillibrand to attend and at least listen to the voice of moderation.
Posted by OneVote at 10/16/2009 @ 12:03pm
Anyone who has the audacity to claim Israel is a 'democracy' should get professional help. Israel isn't even a Jewish democracy, let alone a real one.
Well said, OneVote.
Just remember, folks, when the planned destruction of our economy by the international banksters is complete and we're all starving, going to war with Iran (also part of the plan) is going to look like the best way out, or at least that's what we'll be told.
Posted by DejaVu at 10/16/2009 @ 12:34pm
What about US loan guarantees to Israel that fund construction? Using debt financed construction money underwritten with loan guarantees of the the US Government (that is you and I folks) violates terms of said loan guarantees. Has anything been done about this under the Obama Administration?
ANYTHING?
Secretary Clinton - when are you going to do something?
Israel has violated terms of both military and economic aid, and yet we do nothing.
Posted by OneVote at 10/16/2009 @ 12:52pm
Just remember, folks, when the planned destruction of our economy by the international banksters is complete and we're all starving, going to war with Iran (also part of the plan) is going to look like the best way out, or at least that's what we'll be told.
Posted by DejaVu at 10/16/2009 @ 12:34pm | ignore this person | warn this person
We will all be enlisting in the "armed forces" for our daily bread.
When you've got nothing else to lose.
This is why Jihad get its recruits.
The impoverishment.
Posted by OneVote at 10/16/2009 @ 12:59pm
Israel built an Apartheid wall to separate Palestinian farmers from their land and Palestinian children from their schools.
Israel Jails and tortures Palestinian children
Israel is constantly confiscating and annexing Palestinian land in the occupied territories to build illegal Jewish settlements
Jewish settlers destroy crops and uproot olive and other trees belong to Palestinians in the occupied territories
Israel is an Apartheid State which practices segregation and discrimination against non Jews
Israel is always spying on America and passing American most sensitive national security materials to America's enemies
Israel has established spy agencies on American soil and is meddling in America's domestic policy by bribing and intimidating American elected officials.
Israel stole American nuclear material to build a stockpile of illicit WMD.
Israel is constantly defying the United Nations, International Law and the World Court
Israel used banned ammunition against Palestinian women and children (Goldstone Report)
The above are few of the abuses committed by Israel while bilking American taxpayers of billion of dollars every year. Israel is a foreign country that controls our foreign policy, defies our Presidents, controls our Congress and manipulates our media.
"If the American people understood what a grip those people have got on our government, they would rise up in arms. Our citizens certainly don't have any idea what goes on." --Admiral Thomas Moorer, former chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff (quoted in: They Dare to Speak Out: People and Institutions Confront Israel's Lobby by Paul Findley, former Illinois congressman)
Posted by CripThink at 10/16/2009 @ 1:03pm
Peter, I'm beginning to think that you and Dreyfuss are working together to promote the anti-semitism that surfaces every time one of you posts on Israel.
I've yet to see you ban or chastise those who come here with the hatred towards Jews.
I find it difficult to believe that you support this level of hate. So why is it you not only tolerate it, but appear to be feeding it?
Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 1:17pm
Maybe it is about time that the Zionist's censorship of our media is easing up a little.
Posted by CripThink at 10/16/2009 @ 1:34pm
Maybe it is about time that the Zionist's censorship of our media is easing up a little.
Posted by CripThink at 10/16/2009 @ 1:34pm
No, it's that we have laws in the country about hate crimes. And while it is still legal in this country to engage in hate speech in public, it is not so with private enterprise.
Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 1:57pm
'The British Foreign and Commonwealth Office must be commended for its decision to cancel renting premises for the UK embassy in Tel Aviv from the company Africa-Israel, owned by Israeli businessman and settlement builder Lev Leviev. This is an encouraging step that should now be backed by stronger sanctions against the building of the separation wall and the building of illegal settlements by Israel. Furthermore, the governments of Norway and Dubai should emulate the example set by the UK and sever their relationships with Leviev's companies.
The Israeli paper Ha'aretz reported on 3 March 2009 that "Due to the public pressure" several months ago in a special debate in parliament, Kim Howells of the Foreign Office was asked to explain plans to rent the embassy from Leviev.
This pressure, by a letters campaign to the FCO, was initiated by Architects and Planners for Justice in Palestine with human rights organisation Adalah-New York, followed by the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein, former BBC correspondent Tim Llewellyn and hundreds of others.
Further voices included Daniel Machover of Lawyers for Palestinian Human Rights, Palestinian notables including Hanan Ashrawi, Mustafa Barghouti and Luisa Morgantini, vice president of the European parliament.
The move was frozen after ambassador Tom Phillips requested details from Africa-Israel about its activities in the settlements.'
Boycott this Israeli settlement builder
Guardian UK - April 2009
Hit these bastards where it hurts - their pocketbooks.
Posted by OneVote at 10/16/2009 @ 2:23pm
Posted by OneVote at 10/16/2009 @ 2:23pm
People like myself counter you with our financial support of the settlements
And there are more of us than there are the anti-semites
Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 3:00pm
Exposing the Zionist's criminal enterprise is no hate crime; it is often done by Jewish free thinkers. Defamation, misinformation and hate are the Zionist's weapon of choice against those who expose Israel's criminal deeds. Anti Semitism and hate crime are the shield of convenience that is used by the Zionists, whenever their criminal deeds are brought to the open.
Posted by CripThink at 10/16/2009 @ 3:10pm
I find it difficult to believe that you support this level of hate. So why is it you not only tolerate it, but appear to be feeding it?
Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 1:17pm
People on this site need to be careful to distinguish between Israel a Jewish country and Jewish people. Criticism of Zionism or Israel is not = to criticism of Jews.
Anti, your doublespeak is insincere, I have read numerous of your posts spewing hatred toward Muslims and their religion. So for you to call out the nation for allowing criticism of Jews or Israel is pretty fake. Your hypocrisy is your greatest flaw.
Posted by Extraneous at 10/16/2009 @ 3:13pm
And there are more of us than there are the anti-semites
Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 3:00pm
That I don't doubt, especially when Christian Zionists and right-wing Zionists do the false branding of those critical of Israel as anti-semites.
God is watching you Larry. Your fortress of deception and lies is being stormed. It is just a matter of time.
Repent now Larry. Save your soul.
Posted by OneVote at 10/16/2009 @ 3:14pm
God is watching you Larry. Your fortress of deception and lies is being stormed. It is just a matter of time.
Repent now Larry. Save your soul.
Posted by OneVote at 10/16/2009 @ 3:14pm
Nope...G-d says that we are blessed if we bless Israel and cursed if we curse Israel. I'll stay with the blessing.
Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 3:30pm
And what if God is also Allah?
What if you have "misinterpreted" your blessing?
Posted by OneVote at 10/16/2009 @ 3:41pm
Anti,
Do you honestly believe that the nation of Israel that man created is equal to the one that god created for Abram?
I do not, gods nation of Israel was lost a milenia ago, and it was gods nation of israel that did not believe that Christ was the son of god. Yet you continue to defend them?
Posted by Extraneous at 10/16/2009 @ 3:49pm
People like myself counter you with our financial support of the settlements And there are more of us than there are the anti-semites Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 3:00pm
Nope...G-d says that we are blessed if we bless Israel and cursed if we curse Israel. I'll stay with the blessing. Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 3:30pm
"More of us" is an eerie reminder of the hypocrites and fools in our midst. They are the Christian Zionists who harbor the twisted notion that eradicating the Palestinian people is mandated by God. The Israelis are shrewdly utilizing these naïve hypocrites to bestow legitimacy on their criminal deeds. It is only a matter of time before those Christo-Zionist fools face their rude awakening. After the idiots empty their pockets and spend their political capital supporting the Israeli crimes, they will be cruelly thrown to the beasts. The Talmudic scripts have no place for these idiots nor will they have a seat in the Temple.
Posted by CripThink at 10/16/2009 @ 3:55pm
The Talmudic scripts have no place for these idiots nor will they have a seat in the Temple.
Posted by CripThink at 10/16/2009 @ 3:55pm | ignore this person | warn this person
How many new housing units are being built to house Christians?..lol.....
'While Christian Zionists' support of Israel is real and unyielding, it is based on a fundamentalist foundation. John Hagee's stated goal is to do whatever it takes to ensure that the biblically mandated geographical borders of the Holy Land be populated with "the Hebrews" in order to bring about the long-awaited Rapture, a prophecy believed by a subset of Christians who eagerly await the End-imes and the return of Jesus.. Hagee's and Parsley's constant fear-mongering and pointed hatred for Muslims, their none-too-subtle push for nuclear confrontation with Iran combines with the political power they have quietly been accruing to create the recipe for a real world Armageddon.
For Jews, the simplistic trope that, "Israel needs all the friends she can get," does not justify allying with bigots like Hagee. . If, as a group, we Jews do not discriminate in our choice of "friends,"" if we do not forcefully and fiercely speak out against the bigotry and war-mongering of these people whose vision of Israel is totally different than our own,, then we are effectively abdicating not only our responsibilities as thinking Jews, but our dignity as well. Furthermore, to continue a friendship with those who seek to end the world for the sake of Jesus' Second Coming will only encourage the very anti-Semitism we fear.'
Leader of Reform Judaism's warns against embracing Christian Zionists Rabbi Yoffie's speech in Cincinnati underscored the danger to American Jews
By Marji Mendelsohn for JewsOnFirst.org, April 6, 2008
Posted by OneVote at 10/16/2009 @ 4:48pm
"....they will be cruelly thrown to the beasts."
Posted by CripThink at 10/16/2009 @ 3:55pm
What kinda beasts?
Like Maggie and The Ferocious Beast, or Where The Wild Things Are, or maybe werewolves, or a big ol boogerman?
You kinda remind me of Achmed, The Dead Terrorist.
Google it. He's you.
Posted by Benchrest at 10/16/2009 @ 4:56pm
Posted by OneVote at 10/16/2009 @ 4:48pm
This is just a repeat of the lies and misrepresentations of what Hagee, Parsley and 10's of millions of other Christians like myself believe.
THERE IS NO PRIOR EVENT NECESSARY FOR THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH.
THE RAPTURE DOES NOT DEPEND UPON THE EXISTENCE OF THE NATION OF ISRAEL
THE RAPTURE DOES NOT REQUIRE ESTABLISHING IRSATZ ISRAEL
It is no surprise that you quote a nonbelieving "reform" Jew who does not follow the Jewish faith and understands neither Judaism nor Christianity.
Islam was founded to destroy Judaism and Christianity and then all other faiths. It is the religion of hate and war and no amount of phony defense of it will change the facts.
Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 4:59pm
Posted by CripThink at 10/16/2009 @ 3:55pm
You kinda remind me of Achmed, The Dead Terrorist.
Google it. He's you.
Posted by Benchrest at 10/16/2009 @ 4:56pm
Dead on!
Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 5:17pm
What kinda beasts? Like Maggie and The Ferocious Beast, or Where The Wild Things Are, or maybe werewolves, or a big ol boogerman? Posted by Benchrest at 10/16/2009 @ 4:56pm
Benchrest,
If you really want to know, then look in the mirror and use your Zionist imagination.
You are surely reminding me of furious Zionist beast who is desperately trying to change the subject in any which way he can.
Posted by CripThink at 10/16/2009 @ 5:20pm
Posted by CripThink at 10/16/2009 @ 5:20pm
What's a "furious Zionist beast"?
Is that like a Likanthrope?
Or The Nasty Old Troll Who Lives Under The Bridge?
Just curious, Achmed.
Posted by Benchrest at 10/16/2009 @ 5:41pm
Posted by Benchrest at 10/16/2009 @ 5:41pm
oops. Sorry.
So many mistakes!
I meant "Licanthrope".
And "Grumpy Old Troll".
And "Dumbass".
My bad.
Posted by Benchrest at 10/16/2009 @ 6:46pm
10's of millions of other Christians like myself believe.
Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 4:59pm
Do you have a cite for this? It is my impression that you fall within the lunatic fringe of Christianity. How big is Hagee's following - about 30,000 as I recall.
So your support for Israel is just because you have common cause with Jews against Muslims?
So why not support a two-state solution if this won't interfere with your vision of Rapture?
Have you ever been to Israel? If so, when and where.
Why are you buying land in Central America and not Israel?
Tell me how Rabbi has misrepresented Hagee again......seems to be spot on.
Hagee's apocalyptic support of Israel By BEN SMITH | 5/15/08 4:16 AM EST
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10375.html
Posted by OneVote at 10/16/2009 @ 6:51pm
Islam was founded to destroy Judaism and Christianity and then all other faiths. It is the religion of hate and war and no amount of phony defense of it will change the facts.
Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 4:59pm
Rabbi says Christian-Zionists are bigots.
Thanks for proving the point once again.
And since when do you have standing as an expert on Judaism?
Reform Jews are not Real Jews???????
What poison you preach.
A lover of the constitution who wants to use US taxpayer money to promote Christian-Zionism abroad. A man who abhores paying taxes to the US government, and yet cheerleads military spending....long as it is not your spending right Larry.
A man who avails himself of a tax exemption for his phony church, and spends all his days doing political blogging. A tax cheat.
Islam was founded to destroy Christianity and Judaism? Your Rapture vision is not triumph of monotheism of your chosen idol? Bullcrap on you Larry. Afraid of a little competition Preacher? Totalitarian is okay - just as long as I am the Totalitarian - like your nitwit zealot Bush.
God is watching you Larry.
Posted by OneVote at 10/16/2009 @ 7:11pm
So why not support a two-state solution if this won't interfere with your vision of Rapture?
Posted by OneVote at 10/16/2009 @ 6:51pm
I know precisely what Hagee believes and it's the same doctrinal belief as mine on the rapture. I am also a member of CUFI. This doctrine called premillinialism was the docrtine taught by the Apostles. It is the doctrine of most pentecostal denominations and many others worldwide.
It is a belief that the rapture is an imminent event (meaning it can come without warning or any earthly events). It was the same thing that Paul wrote in Titus 2:11-13
<For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, 13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,>
We aren't to look for signs on earth, but for Christ Himself.
Jesus said in Luke 12:35-40
<"Let your waist be girded and your lamps burning; and you yourselves be like men who wait for their master, when he will return from the wedding, that when he comes and knocks they may open to him immediately. Blessed are those servants whom the master, when he comes, will find watching. Assuredly, I say to you that he will gird himself and have them sit down to eat, and will come and serve them. And if he should come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.">
Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 7:20pm
One Vote
here is the opening statement from CUFI which Hagee heads and I am a member.
<The Bible commands us to pray for the peace of Jerusalem (Psalm 122:6), to speak out for Zion's sake (Isaiah 62:1), to be watchmen on the walls of Jerusalem (Isaiah 62:6) and to bless the Jewish people (Genesis 12:3). These and so many other verses of the Bible that have one overriding message-- as Christians we have a Biblical obligation to defend Israel and the Jewish people in their time of need.
When asked why he so staunchly supports Israel, Pastor John Hagee speaks of a "biblical mandate to bless the Jews" and of a Christian "debt of gratitude" to the Jewish people. Pastor Hagee notes that: The Jewish people gave to us the patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The prophets, Elijah, Daniel, Zechariah, etc.-not a Baptist in the bunch. Every word in your Bible was written by Jewish hands. The first family of Christianity, Mary, Joseph, and Jesus, were Jewish. Jesus Christ, a Jewish rabbi from Nazareth, made this statement: "Salvation is of the Jews." The point is this: If you take away the Jewish contribution to Christianity, there would be no Christianity.>
http://tinyurl.com/ylflaem
Reform Judaism is not accepted by Orthodox Judaism as a part of the Jewish faith. That is the definition of them.
<Approximately 5 million Jews live in Israel. Orthodoxy is the only movement that is formally and legally recognized in Israel. Until very recently, only Orthodox Jews could serve on religious councils. The Orthodox rabbinate in Israel controls matters of personal status, such as marriage, conversion and divorce.>
http://www.jewfaq.org/movement.htm
2 state question next
Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 7:38pm
I find it difficult to believe that you support this level of hate. So why is it you not only tolerate it, but appear to be feeding it?
Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 1:17pm
SQUISH THE TOWELHEADS!
Posted by frosty zoom at 10/16/2009 @ 8:02pm
People like myself counter you with our financial support of the settlements
And there are more of us than there are the anti-semites
Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 3:00pm
sick, larry.
aren't the "jordanians", both christians and jews, semites as well?
don't their children have rights?
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if these people want more condos, give them freakin' las vegas for chrissakes -- it's full of empty ones.
Posted by frosty zoom at 10/16/2009 @ 8:05pm
Islam was founded to destroy Judaism and Christianity and then all other faiths. It is the religion of hate and war and no amount of phony defense of it will change the facts.
Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 4:59pm
so why were these nations colonialized by christians for 100 - 400 years?
why is ibrahim nice to me? why doesn't he poison my spinach pies? why doesn't he make cluster bombs?
Posted by frosty zoom at 10/16/2009 @ 8:09pm
larry,
the bible tells me i should burn prostitutes.
god doesn't write books -- people do.
wouldn't god have just written ONE handy handbook for us if she is so smart?
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gren, i'm not mocking christianity or any other religion. larry's just really, really messed up.
Posted by frosty zoom at 10/16/2009 @ 8:11pm
One Vote,
Only one international treaty has established the nations of the Middle East.
That is the San Remo Conference of 1922.
The SRC created the nations of Syria, Lebannon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, and Israel.
It was solely due to the Arab revolts beginning in 1935 and all out war in 1948 against the existence of a Jewish state of Israel.
Today, Arabs, and many others including a number of bloggers here, disagree with the Arab nations existing, only Israel is somehow illegitimate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_of_Palestine
There is NO BINDING UN RESOLUTION establishing either Israel, or a Palestinian state. THERE IS NO BINDING UN RESOLUTION against Israel for the lands they current rule. Not against their rights to the West Bank or even Gaza. All of the UN resolutions continuously cited by Arabs and those who support them are NON BINDING AND CARRY NO WEIGHT OF ENFORCEMENT. That is why you don't see any action to put UN troops into Israel.
Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 8:11pm
The San Remo[1] Conference was an international meeting of the post-World War I Allied Supreme Council, held in Sanremo, Italy, from 19 to 26 April 1920. It was attended by the four Principal Allied Powers of World War I who were represented by the Prime Ministers of BRITAIN (David Lloyd George), FRANCE (Alexandre Millerand) and ITALY (Francesco Nitti) and by the Ambassador of JAPAN (K. Matsui).
wtf???????
this is none of their business.
stupid, greedy humans.
Posted by frosty zoom at 10/16/2009 @ 8:14pm
San Remo Resolution - April 25, 1920
It was agreed –
"The Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 8, 1917, by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, IT BEING CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD THAT NOTHING SHALL BE DONE WHICH MAY PREJUDICE THE CIVIL AND RELIGIOUS RIGHTS OF EXISTING NON-JEWISH COMMUNITIES IN PALESTINE, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."
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Yesterday in Beit Ummar, a village of 15,000 in the Israeli occupied West Bank, non-violent direct action continued in opposition to the illegal ISRAELI ANNEXATION AND DESTRUCTION OF PALESTINAIN FARM LAND. Surrounded by cautious Palestinian youth who observed from a safe distance, a group of 2 Palestinians and 9 internationals approached a BACKHOE AND BULLDOZER UPROOTING TREES IN PALESTINIAN ORCHARDS. The demolition, begun on Sunday, is to make way for a new Israeli wall encircling the settlement of Kurmei Tsur and will conveniently -and illegaly- steal yet more land from the bordering villages of Beit Ummar and Halul for the Israeli settlement – itself illegal under international law. The prospective wall will be built 300 meters from an existing one, grabbing land without the permission or compensation of Palestinian land-owners.
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better find a new excuse, larry.
god's watching.
Posted by frosty zoom at 10/16/2009 @ 8:18pm
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better find a new excuse, larry.
god's watching.
Posted by frosty zoom at 10/16/2009 @ 8:18pm
It's no longer British Palestine, it's the nation of Israel and NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO DICTATE HOW A NATION DEVELOPS ITSELF.
Yes, G-d is watching and He is blessing Israel above all the other nations in the Middle East.
Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 8:45pm
Yes, G-d is watching and He is blessing Israel above all the other nations in the Middle East.
Posted by antisocialist at 10/16/2009 @ 8:45pm
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Posted by frosty zoom at 10/16/2009 @ 9:10pm
......and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Posted by frosty zoom at 10/16/2009 @ 9:10pm
My favorite part! I regret I have but one life to do the pursuing.....:)
Ayn Rand made a number of references to that favored Pursuit (we shared).....always pointing out that the decalration applies to the individual's pursuit of his/her own HAPPINESS, not that of societal HAPPINESS!
Posted by Happy at 10/16/2009 @ 11:08pm
Larry
This is what Pastor John says about the rebirth of Israel. He claims it was an act of G-d (a miracle).
'You can't avoid the central issue. If God was finished with the Jews and israel, if they were really a cast-offrelic of the past without divine purpose or destiny, why did He allow the state to be miraculously renewed?
If replaced, why reborn? The resurrection of God's chosen people is living prophetic proof that israel has not been replaced. They were reborn in a day (isa.66:8) to form the state of israel that shall endure until the coming of the Messiah.
If israel as a nation had not been reborn, if the Jews had not returned to the land, if the cities of israel had not been rebuilt, if Judea and samaria (the West Bank) had not been occupied, if the trees the Turks cut down had not been replanted, if the agricultural accomplishments of israel had not been miraculous, there would be a valid reason to doubt that the Word of God is true.
However, in the light of the above-mentioned miracles, none can doubt the absolute accuracy of the prophetic scriptures concerning the rebirth and restoration of the Jewish state.'
Now you are citing San Remo, which are acts of mortal men.
Do you believe Hagee was right - that it was an act of G-d?
How do reconcile your faith with San Remo?
When did the League of Nations stop being divine stewards of G-d's will?
I am having a hard time following your logic here.
Posted by OneVote at 10/17/2009 @ 02:02am
'there would be a valid reason to doubt that the Word of God is true'
Pastor John Hagee regarding 20th century "rebirth" of Israel.
So Larry, had Jews made their 20th century homeland in Alaska for instance, you would never have become Pentecostal? You might have had a "more flexible" interpretation of the bible?
Or would you have believed that the bible was just myth - and abandoned religion altogether?
What I am gathering from Hagee is that if Israel for Jews dies, so does Christianity.
Mighty strong medicine.
My concern then becomes, if Christian-Zionists don't owe their allegiance to Israel more than they do to the United States. A Christian-Zionist would commit treason on behalf of Israel would they not - to save Christianity?
For the devout, isn't religion more important than temporal allegiance to State?
Aren't you the mirror image of Muslim fundamentalism?
And a hypothetical which I doubt you will answer -
If you were an atheist, would you support Likud vision for Israel, or would you have a more moderate position, and even (gasp) have sympathy for the Palestinian plight?
Answer honestly - G-d is watching - always.
Posted by OneVote at 10/17/2009 @ 02:20am
Answer honestly - G-d is watching - always.
Posted by OneVote at 10/17/2009 @ 02:20am
OneVote,
Beautifully constructed argument; the pastor must be sweating in his pants. It is high time for divine intervention to rescue the confounded believers.
Posted by CripThink at 10/17/2009 @ 11:10am
There are around 10,000 Palestinians in Israeli jails including children and women.The world is not expecting nothing good from that rogue state.They even stole the organs of the Palestinians youths, detained by them.US and Co are supporting Israel. See how many UN resolutions are vetoed by them in favour of Israel.
Posted by Dastu11 at 10/17/2009 @ 11:56am
Now you are citing San Remo, which are acts of mortal men.
Do you believe Hagee was right - that it was an act of G-d?
How do reconcile your faith with San Remo?
When did the League of Nations stop being divine stewards of G-d's will?
I am having a hard time following your logic here.
Posted by OneVote at 10/17/2009 @ 02:02am
G-d has on many occasions acted through influencing mankind to make the right decisions.
There is no conflict or contradiction here.
The fact that the League of Nations no longer exists has nothing to do with it being or not being an instrument of G-d moving to restore the Jews to Israel.
Posted by antisocialist at 10/17/2009 @ 12:24pm
Posted by OneVote at 10/17/2009 @ 02:20am
Your hypothetical of Alaska would never have occurred. It's a meaningless question.
What Hagee said was that if G-d NEVER restored the Jews to the land of Israel, it would indeed mean that you have to question the reliability of the scriptures. However, never is a long time. If G-d had waited until 2200 AD, or 3500 AD, the timing was of G-d's choosing and plan.
Christian-Zionists don't owe any allegiance to Israel more than their own country.
Religion is not more important, but submission to G-d certainly is more important than country (Acts 4:19).
I have no idea what I would do as an atheist. I cannot even conceive of the idea of being an atheist. But, I do understand why atheists are against the nation of Israel. It furthers their hatred of the G-d they deny exists
Posted by antisocialist at 10/17/2009 @ 12:37pm
so full of hate....
Posted by frosty zoom at 10/17/2009 @ 2:25pm
Larry,
Like oil and water, faith and reason don't mix.
I believe that I am more afraid of you and your Hagee mob than I am of al-qaeda.
Onward Christian soldiers............
Posted by OneVote at 10/17/2009 @ 5:37pm
I am having a hard time following your logic here.
Posted by OneVote at 10/17/2009 @ 02:02am |
It's a pretty simple biblical concept. Here are just a couple of self explanatory passages. One from the OT and one from the NT:
Job 12:23 "He makes the nations great, then destroys them; He enlarges the nations, then leads them away".
Acts 17:26 "From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live."
So at present Israel is in no different a position than America or Australia or Russia once part of the Soviet Union that got the flick in the divine scheme of things. That explains, from a biblical perspective, how nations and empires rise, fall and disappear.
That God has a particular future purpose for a returned Israel notwithstanding, its return to the land at one level is the way God organises all of his world, in which our tenancy individually is just a little briefer than that of nations and empires.
As you can see Christians aren't Deists. That is why he is called the God of History.
Posted by lrjones4 at 10/17/2009 @ 6:15pm
Posted by OneVote at 10/17/2009 @ 5:37pm
People like antisocialist actually expect & will welcome a world explosion & convulsion. They call it Armageddon.
They do however, want it to be a little tardy in arrival; something like the Goldman Sachs plan for deferred bonuses in case public opinion gets out of hand.
Could it be that the financial sector is riddled with "Christians" thus explaining their desire to take the money & run? If this is so, then public outrage could be interpreted as an "attack on the Christian religion."
Posted by Sorelish at 10/17/2009 @ 6:16pm
People like antisocialist actually expect & will welcome a world explosion & convulsion. They call it Armageddon.
They do however, want it to be a little tardy in arrival; something like the Goldman Sachs plan for deferred bonuses in case public opinion gets out of hand.
Could it be that the financial sector is riddled with "Christians" thus explaining their desire to take the money & run? If this is so, then public outrage could be interpreted as an "attack on the Christian religion."
Posted by Sorelish at 10/17/2009 @ 6:16pm
Nonsense, Nonsense, Nonsense and lies.
Armageddon comes long after Christians leave this world.
Posted by antisocialist at 10/17/2009 @ 9:10pm
Armageddon comes long after Christians leave this world.
Posted by antisocialist at 10/17/2009 @ 9:10pm
perhaps not:
An extinction event (also known as: mass extinction; extinction-level event, ELE) is a sharp decrease in the number of species in a relatively short period of time. Mass extinctions affect most major taxonomic groups present at the time -- birds, mammals, reptiles, amphibians, fish, invertebrates and other simpler life forms.
Posted by frosty zoom at 10/17/2009 @ 10:50pm
"Since his arrest, his period of detention has been extended twice at military hearings--at the last one on October 8 it was extended a further 12 days, based on "secret evidence" from the Shin Bet, the Israeli Security Agency. However, no charge has been made and, despite resquests from Othman's attorney, Shin Bet has not disclosed its "secret evidence" nor the reasons for the detention. "
See how foolish the leftist were to worry about the Patriot act! It is so comparatively benign as reguards non-citizens enemy combatants! Israel has got it right.
They just have to figure out how many arms and ammunition deals the guy has brokered under the guise of arab humanitarian! Wonder how many more rockets he got, and will it be enough for seven more years of bombardment until Israel is provoked enough to attack Gaza again?
Posted by BigPasture at 10/17/2009 @ 11:04pm
Posted by Sorelish at 10/17/2009 @ 6:16pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Just ignore the Rapture, the seven yrs of tribulation, and wait blissfully for the return of Christ! You do have that freedom!
Posted by BigPasture at 10/17/2009 @ 11:13pm
People like antisocialist actually expect & will welcome a world explosion & convulsion. They call it Armageddon.
Posted by Sorelish at 10/17/2009 @ 6:16pm | ignore this person | warn this person
I agree. They and their ilk seek to hasten the day - and they think that their faith will save them while the rest of us burn.
I believe that these folks are the coming of the "AntiChrist" - as per their own prophecy. They pretend to speak for God - their actions are God's will.
This is the definition of the "AntiChrist."
Posted by OneVote at 10/18/2009 @ 11:06am
That God has a particular future purpose for a returned Israel notwithstanding, its return to the land at one level is the way God organises all of his world, in which our tenancy individually is just a little briefer than that of nations and empires.
Posted by lrjones4 at 10/17/2009 @ 6:15pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Whew!
Well alrighty then.
Thanks Jonesey.
Posted by OneVote at 10/18/2009 @ 11:17am
People like antisocialist actually expect & will welcome a world explosion & convulsion. They call it Armageddon.
Posted by Sorelish at 10/17/2009 @ 6:16pm | ignore this person | warn this person
I agree. They and their ilk seek to hasten the day - and they think that their faith will save them while the rest of us burn.
I believe that these folks are the coming of the "AntiChrist" - as per their own prophecy. They pretend to speak for God - their actions are God's will.
This is the definition of the "AntiChrist."
Posted by OneVote at 10/18/2009 @ 11:06am
You guys can keep lying about me but it won't make your lies true.
Christians have no impact on the timing of either the rapture or the tribulation and subsequently armageddon.
Posted by antisocialist at 10/18/2009 @ 11:43am
Really Larry?
Pastor John Hagee Advocates Pre-Emptive War on Iran
'Many people advocate pre-emptive war on Iran, but few of them have the ear of President George Bush like Pastor John Hagee does. Pastor John Hagee is a Zionist Christian: he believes that the Book of Revelation in the Bible specifically says any nation that does not defend the state of Israel at any cost will be eternally damned.'
"Christians don't steal or lie, they don't get divorced or have abortions." – John Hagee........
'John Hagee was the leader of the charismatic Trinity Church in 1975 and was the father of two children. John Hagee had an adulterous affair with a woman and admitted to immorality in front of his church. Pastor John Hagee then divorced the mother of his two children and married a younger woman (Diana Castro, now Diana Hagee) from that same congregation. Pastor John Hagee willfully abused his position of trust and power to take advantage of a younger gullible woman and cheat on his wife.'
"I deserve every dime I'm getting." _John Hagee.
'Using his lies and deceit, Pastor John Hagee has grown into an enormously wealthy man. In the year 2001, his organization filed revenues of $18.3 million dollars with the IRS. What was John Hagee's personal compensation package worth? More than $1.25 million dollars. His nonprofit organization, GETV, has a mission statement reading "Spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ". Somehow I think his nearly 8,000 acre Texas ranch does not help that mission. Not only does Pastor John and his wife Diana Hagee own that sprawling ranch, but they also have a 5,275 foot, 6 bedroom mansion in one of San Antonio's most exclusive gated communities (The Dominion). The house is appraised at $700,000.'
BEWARE of false prophets...sayeth the Lord
Posted by OneVote at 10/18/2009 @ 3:23pm
"When you give, it qualifies you to receive God's abundance. If God gives to you before you give to him, God himself will becom a liar… If you're not prospering it's because you're not GIVING!" - John Hagee
This is "sermon" you get right before the collection plate is passed around.....lol. So a contribution to Pastor Hagee is a contribution to God. Give your money to Pastor John and you will receive God's abundance. The AntiChrist. This 'man' should be behind bars.
BEWARE of false prophets...sayeth the Lord
Posted by OneVote at 10/18/2009 @ 3:37pm
Whew!
Well alrighty then.
Thanks Jonesey.
Posted by OneVote at 10/18/2009 @ 11:17am
That's OK, OV. Just thought you may have been getting your knickers in a knot over the Jews getting unique settlement rights and wanted to let you that is not so. Pity though about that here today, gone tomorrow clause. Can't do much to help you on that one.
How does he do it you ask?...... Through people like Christopher Columbus ( poor Indians I hear you mutter) or things like a Balfour Declaration or a BO in Afghanistan. The list is endless.
Posted by lrjones4 at 10/18/2009 @ 4:00pm
This is "sermon" you get right before the collection plate is passed around.....lol. So a contribution to Pastor Hagee is a contribution to God. Give your money to Pastor John and you will receive God's abundance. The AntiChrist. This 'man' should be behind bars.
BEWARE of false prophets...sayeth the Lord
Posted by OneVote at 10/18/2009 @ 3:37pm
From Hagee, to Parsley, Robertson and Falwell; the blueprint to redemption from sleaze and earthly sins has been well understood: If you line up under the Zionist's tent and become a mouthpiece for the Israeli propaganda machine, then fear no evil. The Zionist media empire has always kept their transgressions under wrap, for as long as the venerable pastors remained loyal to the Zionist cause. This special treatment by the Zionist media extends beyond the corrupt pastors of the Christian Zionist Church. Our elected officials who demonstrate blind loyalty to Israel, even at the expense of the American interest, are offered similar protection.
Ultimately, It is the average Joe-Six-Pack voter and the deceived believers who end paying the hefty price for this complex web of deception. Billions of private donations are sent every year to Israel to murder more Palestinian children. At the same time, our elected officials are working very hard to plot costly wars of choice on Iraq, Iran, etc… to protect the Israeli criminals and to keep them armed to the teeth.
Posted by CripThink at 10/18/2009 @ 5:24pm
That's OK, OV. Just thought you may have been getting your knickers in a knot over the Jews getting unique settlement rights and wanted to let you that is not so. Pity though about that here today, gone tomorrow clause. Can't do much to help you on that one.
Posted by lrjones4 at 10/18/2009 @ 4:00pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Well - I wonder Kevin Rudd would agree with your assessment?
Seems like Mr. Rudd & The Labor Party broke with ass-licker Howard's tradition of always taking his cue from US Zionists. Seems like Mr. Rudd supports a two state solution, and no building new settlements.
Many nations of course have "divine aspirations" such as manifest destiny, but those divine aspirations are generally congruent with national interest. In the case of Christian-Zionists, that is not the case, and in fact, they are pledging allegiance to foreign nation. BIG DIFFERENCE.
John Winthrop imagined a City upon a Hill - IN AMERICA
US Christian Zionists imagine a City upon a Hill - IN ISRAEL
Now we've got A BIG PROBLEM when Christian Zionists don't believe in separation of church and state.
I notice that you have this controversy DownUnder as well.
It seems that more a handful of folks WORLDWIDE have noticed.
Posted by OneVote at 10/19/2009 @ 12:20am
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We are in chains to this mafia. We are merely their tax slaves and chattel.
We don't even have f__king healthcare in this country and we are giving billions upon billions of economic and military aid to Israel no questions asked? We share our military research and technology with Israel so they can turn around and sell it to the Chinese.
Israel cause us constant trouble. We pay trillions out through higher oil prices, compromised and misguided foreign policy, indebtedness, pissing off the Muslim world who has the oil,.....on and on ad nauseum.
It is just insanity till you wake up and realize we don't have a democracy anymore - just the illusion of it.
What a nightmare.
Posted by OneVote at 10/19/2009 @ 12:32am
Posted by OneVote at 10/19/2009 @ 12:20am
Interesting so after you've read this you have my permission to call him Krudd like we Aussie neo-con equivalents do. Eighteen months is a long time in politics, however I think you will find Howard was a lot more selective arselicker than Krudd who may have been sampling a little wider:
Rudd Backs Israel But ducks Protesters at Zionist Fund-raiser
Andra Jackson
March 19, 2008
PRIME Minister Kevin Rudd last night declared himself "a friend of Israel" and referred to its creation in 1948 as "Australian Labor government handiwork".
Speaking at a gala dinner held by the United Israel Appeal at Crown Casino, Mr Rudd said he had spoken to Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert last week of "the history which binds us together". He said he had gotten to know many Israeli MPs and looked forward to working with them on the Middle East peace process.
"As Prime Minister of Australia, I lend my support, of course, to the fund-raising efforts of the United Israel Appeal," he told the 1250 guests. "I also lend them (support) on the broader diplomatic stage on that great task which confronts us all, which is to finally secure a lasting and just peace for that troubled region."
Mr Rudd dodged a protest outside the casino by using an alternative entrance. Around 50 protesters waited for him with Palestinian flags and placards that read "Stop the occupation".
"It is inappropriate for our Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, to support an organisation involved in violating international law," said Moammar Mashni, a spokesman for Australians for Palestine.
The United Israel Appeal's website says it raises money to facilitate "bringing a substantial number of Jews to live in Israel".
Mr Mashni said: "Concerns have been raised that the Unit
Posted by lrjones4 at 10/19/2009 @ 12:43am
Sorry OV here's a piccie for you. Take a sqizz at those flags behind Krudd. http://tinyurl.com/ygluj7q
Then there is our sexy, but not to everyone's taste, Deputy PM, Julia Gillard, who sleeps around a bit and is I think still shacked up with a Melbourne hairdresser. She was a lawyer in the Union movement before she got this jig.
In her favour is that she came to this fair land from Wales at the tender age of eight with her working class (sic or should that be sick) mum and dad. So this sweet little Welsh girl who was brought up a God fearing Aussie Baptist is, how can I say it diplomatically, a bit of a lover of Israel too:
Gillard's Israel trip rankles party MPs June 15, 2009
SEVERAL Labor MPs have expressed concerns about Julia Gillard's upcoming trip to Israel, where the Deputy Prime Minister will lead a delegation to hold a dialogue with Israeli leaders.
The MP for Fowler, Julia Irwin, an executive member of the Australian Parliamentary Friends of Palestine group, yesterday criticised the trip as an unnecessary "public relations exercise" for Israel. "When leaders and academics are distancing themselves from Israel following its attacks on Lebanon and Gaza, Australian politicians are taking part in this public relations exercise," Ms Irwin said.
The delegationalso includes the Labor MPs Michael Danby and Mark Dreyfus and the Liberal MPs Peter Costello, Christopher Pyne and George Brandis.
Ms Gillard, who leaves on Wednesday and is also visiting the US, said the dialogue was "an important new initiative" and she plans to reiterate Australia's commitment to a two-state solution. She will also visit Ramallah to meet Palestinian leaders, she said.
And so on.... http://tinyurl.com/yfqxc2x
A bit more here: http://tinyurl.com/yk3k8gk
Posted by lrjones4 at 10/19/2009 @ 01:07am
Chillingly for me, as a South African, if one just changed names and places, it could be a story from Apartheid-era South Africa.
arbitrary arrest no habeas corpus solitary confinement tiny cell renewable detention without charge...
Posted by mikecope at 10/19/2009 @ 01:20am
Posted by lrjones4 at 10/19/2009 @ 01:07am
'AIJAC endeavours to highlight and counteract instances of anti-Israel bias and misinformation in the Australian media and the wider public debate. This is a huge ongoing task, undertaken both within AIJAC's own publications and the mainstream media.
AIJAC released in 2003 a comprehensive report into SBS-TV's persistently slanted coverage of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the Middle East in general. See also the regular "Media Microscope" column in Australia/Israel Review'.............
'AIJAC also has an active association with the American Jewish Committee in a global partnership designed to bring about a greater understanding of the issues and challenges lying ahead for world Jewry.'
Oh yes....dare to criticize and you will be exorcized. AIJAC = AIPAC
In the fall of 2008 when Rudd broke from Howard's tradition of asking the US on how to vote on UN Resolutions relating to Israel, the howls and attacks of the Zionists commenced. I applaud Rudd for breaking with tradition.
Given the equation of world cartel power and wealth, "back pedaling" is par for course. President Obama is a splendid example and his entourage are a splendid example.
You have money and we have people. Dont' confuse the two.
We will see who wins. Your propaganda ministry has a tough battle. When things get bad enough, the dots will be connected.
Posted by OneVote at 10/19/2009 @ 11:15am
"why doesn't he poison my spinach pies?"
Posted by frosty zoom at 10/16/2009 @ 8:09pm
Because it would improve the taste?
Posted by Benchrest at 10/19/2009 @ 3:19pm