Power Shift 09

posted by Peter Rothberg on 02/13/2009 @ 11:58am

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As the battle to pass the stimulus bill demonstrates, real change will not come easily. And it won't come at all without popular pressure pushing the White House and Congress on numerous fronts.

There are currently countless efforts among progressive groups to harness the energy of young people engaged by politics during the last election. At StudentNation, Kristina Rizga has been spearheading a new series of activist profiles looking at different issues young activists are taking on. Few issues have engaged young people more than saving the planet and few green organizations have been more successful at engaging young people than the Energy Action Coalition, the group behind the PowerShift conferences.

In two weeks Power Shift '09 will bring more than 10,000 youth leaders to Washington DC to get inspired, trained, networked and to lobby their members of Congress.

Go here if you want to register for the conference. There'll be a raft of panels, workshops and seminars and speakers like Van Jones, Rocky Anderson, James Hansen, Majora Carter and Jerome Ringo, among many others.

One of the best things about the Energy Action Coalition is the depth and breadth of its outreach, making it one of America's most diverse environmental coalitions and one as sensitive to issues of class as it is to more traditional ecological concerns.

Some of the young activists in attendance will include:

*A busload of Indigenous youth from the US and Canada who have been active in sustainability initiatives on tribal campuses and in their communities.

*A group of 50 Washington-area public and private high school students who have been lobbying to get the Board of Education to commit to making Montgomery Co Public Schools energy self-sufficient by 2050.

*A group of sixty students from Kentucky who are lobbying for a statewide moratorium on mountaintop coal removal, passing sustainability measures on their campuses, and creating innovative clean energy corps program models.

*Groups of students from fifteen of the country's leading Historically Black Colleges and Universities are coming to Power Shift '09.

*A sorority in Texas which rescheduled its initiation because it conflicted with Power Shift 09.

If you're not going to attend PowerShift but want to help, the EAC has some suggestions.

1. Recruit: Are there young people in your life (or part of your organization) that could be inspired by this event? Please spread the word far and wide.

2. Leverage: On March 2nd, roughly 7,000 youth leaders are expected to go up to Capitol Hill to lobby their members of Congress, in what would be by far the largest lobby day on climate/energy issues in US history. Is there anything you or your organization can do to back them up throughout that week? Can you generate calls or letters to Congress? Write a letter to the editor or a blog post?

3. Sponsor: The EAC is trying to raise $150,000 in scholarship funding to make sure Power Shift is as diverse as possible and that talented young people can attend regardless of financial constraints. Pitch in if you can.

Comments (55)

PETER,

They ought to meet with...

John McCain.

Just to rub it in the noses of the GW Deniers out there in Ditto-head-land, how out on the fringe they are now.

heheh

Posted by Mask at 02/13/2009 @ 12:12pm
Don't leave out the "creation care" folk. Another new addition to the looney left.

It may be only 6000 years old, but the Old Girl is looking rather tarnished.

Posted by crabwalk at 02/13/2009 @ 12:27pm
If Luvvy shows up, haven't seen hide nor hair of him recently..

http://www.creationcareforpastors.com/

Posted by crabwalk at 02/13/2009 @ 12:37pm
i hope they bring their chequebooks.

Posted by frosty zoom at 02/13/2009 @ 12:45pm
Another fleecing of the public on the way..and the only solution to the religon of ALGORE is...money...more money from consumers..instead of going to the source of pollution..3 rd world..help them with our advantage in existing technology...instead of kill off our business engine by raising costs of our products.

Send ALGORE to China,India and 3rd world..

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/13/2009 @ 12:51pm
While it is always good to see young people get involved, it's shame their energy (lol) is wasted on this effort.

Why don't they get involved with starting businesses or joining with existing businesses to further their goals?

That is the best and most productive impact they could have.

Posted by antisocialist at 02/13/2009 @ 12:52pm
Why don't they get involved with starting businesses or joining with existing businesses to further their goals?

That is the best and most productive impact they could have.

Posted by antisocialist at 02/13/2009 @ 12:52pm |

Because they use the Ol' Jesse model of protests and acheiving goals...bus loads of people driving around, protesting or holding meetings for months ....and one is left wondering..don't these people have jobs or something important to do...who pays for the bus tours..who is sponsoring these grass roots initiatives...

The answer is these people are not interested starting a business or even learning what it takes to run one...they are interested in getting money from existing business or shut them down to save the planet.....holding seminars on how to extort money from on going business in order to support their causes and goals(see Ol' Jesse yet again)..they are learning how to lobby..GREAT, more lobbyists..future K street residents..

If you want to see young people at their best..go to a young entrepneur group and be amazed at the drive, initatives and great ideas for future business and economic growths... and forget those who spend their days at seminars on how to extract money from the future entrepeneur groups...

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/13/2009 @ 1:26pm
Why don't they get involved with starting businesses or joining with existing businesses to further their goals?

That is the best and most productive impact they could have.

Posted by antisocialist at 02/13/2009 @ 12:52pm |

Because they use the Ol' Jesse model of protests and acheiving goals...bus loads of people driving around, protesting or holding meetings for months ....and one is left wondering..don't these people have jobs or something important to do...who pays for the bus tours..who is sponsoring these grass roots initiatives...

The answer is these people are not interested starting a business or even learning what it takes to run one...they are interested in getting money from existing business or shut them down to save the planet.....holding seminars on how to extort money from on going business in order to support their causes and goals(see Ol' Jesse yet again)..they are learning how to lobby..GREAT, more lobbyists..future K street residents..

If you want to see young people at their best..go to a young entrepneur group and be amazed at the drive, initatives and great ideas for future business and economic growths... and forget those who spend their days at seminars on how to extract money from the future entrepeneur groups...

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/13/2009 @ 1:26pm
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/13/2009 @ 1:26pm

I agree John; that's why I posed the question. The obvious answer always seems to elude leftist thinking.

Posted by antisocialist at 02/13/2009 @ 1:28pm
There is nothing more energizing than working with a group of young people to organize, spread the word, motivate, and proceed to action. They BELEIVE in what they are doing and saying, and, if they succeed, they come away with the understanding that life ISN'T all about using all of your time and energy to suck whatever you can out of the world for your own selfish gain...that when it comes to actually doing something to make the world a better place...

...you CAN make a difference.

Posted by Lillian at 02/13/2009 @ 2:03pm
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/13/2009 @ 12:51pm

Hey, MAASCH, who'd you vote for last November and what was HIS take on "ALGORE's religion"?

Posted by Mask at 02/13/2009 @ 2:13pm
Hey, MAASCH, who'd you vote for last November and what was HIS take on "ALGORE's religion"?

Posted by Mask at 02/13/2009 @ 2:13pm

I voted for Palin. Without her I would not have voted for McCain. McCain, as I have said to you repeatedly...bought into the fools religon from ALGORE, my guess hoping to help him with libs...I am not a one issue voter...

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/13/2009 @ 2:17pm
...you CAN make a difference.

Posted by Lillian at 02/13/2009 @ 2:03pm

Yes you can..make a difference....learn what it takes to creaste a job...then create one for a fellow American...you will do more for him with a few years of solid work than the govt will do in a decade.

or libs will ever do "for"...against him however...

HINT: It is not govt or college..

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/13/2009 @ 2:20pm
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/13/2009 @ 2:17pm

I hope you're joking, MAASCH.

Otherwise, what exactly does a "vote for Palin" get you? Or were you like Darin and hoping that McCain kicked the bucket early in his Presidency?

Regardless, the PRESIDENTIAL candidates on both sides agree that global warming is real, man-made, and needed addressing.

Ergo...you and the Deniers (like the 28% who thought Bush was a great President)...are the "fringe" now.

Posted by Mask at 02/13/2009 @ 2:25pm
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/13/2009 @ 2:20pm | ignore this person | warn this person

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So your point (wrapped in jibberish as it is) pretty much to boils down to 'greed is good', right John?

Do you really think that, if we want to make the world a **better** place, we just need to get our young people to focus all of their time and energy on being more...

...GREEDY!?!?

Posted by Lillian at 02/13/2009 @ 2:41pm
What happened to the plan to create a new cabinet post, something like "environmental czar," to oversee productive measures to improve the environment? There was talk of Al Gore (appropriately enough) heading it.

Posted by FDR43 at 02/13/2009 @ 3:13pm
posted by Lillian at 02/13/2009 @ 2:41pm

It s jibberish if you have a short view...

Most libs..and especially your types...

ALWAYS..and I mean ALWAYS..confuse greed with drive....

Greed to you is when I work hard to better myself and in the process earn more than $10 an hour....should I earn a ton of money for my efforts...greed to you is when I want to keep more than 50% of what I earn and using it for the betterment of my family and as I see fit...

Greed to me is when YOU and your "govt is great types who know better" want to take the fruits of my labors and give it to someone or someplace else.

I find you GREEDY and not very far from a theif.

The young people would do better for their fellow Americans by learning how to create jobs for the person next to them, rather than destroy the incentive of the man next to them who IS creating jobs with his efforts..

The young should avoid some idiot beaurocrat, say ALGORE TYPES or professor egg head, who decided he has a great idea to make everything fair if only he had some money...now where do I get it....

That to me is GREEDY, also.

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/13/2009 @ 3:32pm
What happened to the plan to create a new cabinet post, something like "environmental czar," to oversee productive measures to improve the environment? There was talk of Al Gore (appropriately enough) heading it.

Posted by FDR43 at 02/13/2009 @ 3:13pm |

What happened?

ALGORE made $ 100 million off of idiots like you and decided it was much easier than going back to govt where he had to answer questions again, for which he always looked and sounded like a fool and wooden.

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/13/2009 @ 3:37pm
ah, appropiate enough for ya?

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/13/2009 @ 3:41pm
Most libs..and especially your types...

ALWAYS..and I mean ALWAYS..confuse greed with drive....

Greed to you is when...

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/13/2009 @ 3:32pm | ignore this person | warn this person

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John, to the surprise of absolutely no one, you couldn't actually discuss the point I made, which was about altruism and the benefits to **everybody** of young people discovering there are rewards in life that have nothing whatsoever to do with your personal bank account.

No John, instead, you channel your cohort SJerk and not only pretend you know what I think - you try to **define** what I think - and then present an arguement against your own, made-up, BS definition of what I think.

I understand perfectly the difference between drive and greed, as does every 'lib' I know. That's why I laughed out loud when I read your pathetic attempt to present that stunningly lame pretense about kids being motivated to "create jobs for your fellow Americans"...as if we have EVER been awash in businesses created and led by people who's sole purpose was to create jobs for their fellow Americans...

...instead of in the midst of an ecomomic meltdown, brought to the brink by those who, at every turn and juncture, were driven by their own greed and lust for more, to grab everything of value for their own enrichment.

Posted by Lillian at 02/13/2009 @ 4:54pm
LIL,

That sound you heard was the point rushing past you like a train...

the Altruism is in the ability to help your neighbor get and hold a job so he can take care of his loved ones...regaqrdless of bank account of the guy who created a job..

no one even mentioned bank account in the altruistic thread of yours...

You brought up greed and defined it as something that all who work harder and drive for better lives and end up with money are indeed greedy and that is all oit takes to get there.

I have a differnt view as to what will help the economy or the individual in a tight spot, and I define that as letting him keep more of his own money..this not greed.

nice try, but don't worry...

the repubs lost, are out of the way,and your guy can now run the show...you should not be surprised the repubs backed away from something they do not believe in, (character in my opinon)..

and enjoy what you should now see as an open road to success for the "stimulus" proram.

Watch the results of your faith unfold for all to see.

Enjoy...and spare me the sanctimonious crap about altruism from yet another lib loon who believes she has seen God and he ow lives in Washington as long as he is not conservative

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/13/2009 @ 5:35pm
instead of in the midst of an ecomomic meltdown, brought to the brink by those who, at every turn and juncture, were driven by their own greed and lust for more, to grab everything of value for their own enrichment.

Posted by Lillian at 02/13/2009 @ 4:54pm

Start your open minded research on the causes of our economic mess by watching C-span and Maxine Waters, B Frank, et al., chew ass on an offical who wanted to tighten up the regulations on bankers, mortgages and all loan makers...and then see who Obama had on his economic advisery board.

Then I will discuss economy and who screwed it up with you...

HINT: Those who screwed it up are now in charge of fixing it.

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/13/2009 @ 5:41pm
Who says you can't relive the past all over again! The Undemocrat congress is bringing back LBJ's GREAT SOCIETY disquised as the Porkulus Spending Bill!

Now with the new age GURU "Al the bore Gore" leading his minions toward the edge of the plateau all the little lemmings will follow him to the death of American civilization just like all the good koolaide drinkers of Jimmy Jones! Bon Apatete'

Posted by comancheamerican at 02/13/2009 @ 6:14pm
Who says you can't relive the past all over again! The Undemocrat congress is bringing back LBJ's GREAT SOCIETY disquised as the Porkulus Spending Bill!

Now with the new age GURU "Al the bore Gore" leading his minions toward the edge of the plateau all the little lemmings will follow him to the death of American civilization just like all the good koolaide drinkers of Jimmy Jones! Bon Apatete'

Posted by comancheamerican at 02/13/2009 @ 6:14pm
Who says you can't relive the past all over again! The Undemocrat congress is bringing back LBJ's GREAT SOCIETY disquised as the Porkulus Spending Bill!

Now with the new age GURU "Al the bore Gore" leading his minions toward the edge of the plateau all the little lemmings will follow him to the death of American civilization just like all the good koolaide drinkers of Jimmy Jones!

Bon Apatete' y'all fools!

Posted by comancheamerican at 02/13/2009 @ 6:15pm
Whoa!!! Hold on there John. I said this...

"...they come away with the understanding that life ISN'T all about using all of your time and energy to suck whatever you can out of the world for your own selfish gain..."

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...and then you put on your 'wacko, wing-nut hat' and pretended like I said this...

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"You brought up greed and defined it as something that all who work harder and drive for better lives and end up with money are indeed greedy and that is all oit takes to get there."

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See, when it comes to "sanctimonious crap", nothing I said even comes close to your "creating jobs for your fellow Americans" or "the Altruism is in the ability to help your neighbor get and hold a job so he can take care of his loved ones..." pile of hooey!!

John, that sound you heard wasn't your **point** rushing anywhere...

...it was the "BONK" your **point** made echoing in the empty space between your ears.

Posted by Lillian at 02/13/2009 @ 6:41pm
And when you say..."Watch the results of your faith unfold for all to see"...

...I say look around you John.

As much as you are trying hard to paint it as "working harder and drive for better lives" or re-defining 'altruism' as "allowing him to keep more of his own money", that's a load of crap nobody is buying anymore. It's as empty as your pissing and moaning about how whatever the Dems are trying, won't fix anything.

The people **YOU** voted for allowed the truely greedy few to suck up MY hard-earned money (and yours and everyones) leaving EVERYONE's bank accounts and retirement funds and entire companies bone dry. In case you missed it, a LOT of good, hard-working people are in a world of hurt right now.

The bottom line (you love that, right?) is that the stinking disaster that **your** "faith" has wrought is all around us. That's exactly why the people **YOU** voted for...

...aren't in charge anymore.

Posted by Lillian at 02/13/2009 @ 6:56pm
Oh! There you are Lillian, how is that explanation coming?

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...the Republicans are now, and will forever be, on the hook for CREATING the problem!

Posted by Lillian at 02/13/2009 @ 5:52pm | ignore this person | warn this person

Please do something that NO other leftist has done....describe the financial services bills, banking bills, and any other economic bills that Republicans have steamrolled through the congress 2000-2008 signed by the Hon. Pres. G.W. Bush that have CAUSED the economic problem?????

This should be intresting!

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So?

Posted by comancheamerican at 02/13/2009 @ 8:16pm
The people **YOU** voted for allowed the truely greedy few to suck up MY hard-earned money (and yours and everyones) leaving EVERYONE's bank accounts and retirement funds and entire companies bone dry. In case you missed it, a LOT of good, hard-working people are in a world of hurt right now.

The bottom line (you love that, right?) is that the stinking disaster that **your** "faith" has wrought is all around us. That's exactly why the people **YOU** voted for...

...aren't in charge anymore.

Posted by Lillian at 02/13/2009 @ 6:56pm

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"This legislation will modernize our financial services laws to better enable American companies to compete in the new economy," Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers said in a letter Wednesday to House and Senate leaders of both parties. "The bill will stimulate competition, thereby increasing choice and reducing costs for consumers, communities and businesses," . Americans spend more than $350 billion a year on fees and commissions for banking, brokerage and insurance services, Summers said. He suggested that if enhanced industry competition brought consumers savings of even 5 percent, they would save more than $18 billion annually. Several securities company stocks were trading higher Thursday ahead of the vote.

Larry Summers, now where have we heard that name recently? Wasn't this a congressional bill signed by PRES. BILLY BOY CLINTON who did no wrong and gave us this great economy?

Posted by comancheamerican at 02/13/2009 @ 8:39pm
Selfishness rules the neo-cons.

One track minds.

no, two, greed and hate.

no 3, greed hate and fear.

3 chief weapons.

Does John Maasch KNOW if any of these people are creating jobs before or after they go to this event? Does he KNOW if some of these people are going to this event to meet other like minded people, network and create new opportunities?

Why no, he does not. But his knee jerk reaction is to ASSume something bad about his fellow Americans. They MUST be lazy and stupid, because he KNOWS it. It matters not how many of his preconceived notions are smashed on the rock of reality ($900 ladders, Asians voting repub, Obama is not a marxist, most GITMO detainees were released not a threat to him) he will continue to claim he KNOWS all.

He is omniscient.

Next he will tell us about Leon Pannettas daughter and Chavez.

Posted by crabwalk at 02/14/2009 @ 08:59am
Here is the philosophy of the cons:

green technology cost jobs and money.

Here is the reality:

Green tech creates jobs and saves business money.

One quick search produced these America hating lazy leftist jobs

North America

Residential Solar Consultant, California

Branch Planner, California

Materials Planner, California

Global Planner, California

Services Coordinator, North Carolina

Project Manager, New Jersey

Overseas

Marine Research Fellowship, Scotland

Consultant, Global

Technical Manager, Germany

Channel Marketing Coordinator, Germany

Central Europe Sales, Germany

Southern Europe Sales, Italy or Spain

"We created Greenjobs to ease the path of talent into the renewable energy industries, to ensure that their growth is never stifled through lack of people." Dr. Peter Beadle, President, Greenjobs, LAZY AMERICA HATER.

Posted by crabwalk at 02/14/2009 @ 09:04am
Looky here John, you could be three things, a successful salesman and someone that helps his children keep breathable air and drinkable water AND helpd business save money.

Bright Green Talent, Arlington, VA

[Position Overview:

As a Sales Executive, you will win new business and grow the company's client base. You will carry a quota against our annual operating plan, and will be well-compensated for achieving and exceeding quota. You will work with our VP of Client Solutions and our President to define key short, medium, and long-term prospects, and build a robust book of business. This is an ideal job for a professional sales executive with at least 3-5 years experience selling to Utilities clients, who wants to be part of a rapidly growing startup, wants to win in the marketplace, and has the capability to help fuel the growth of our company.

The ideal candidate should have the following credentials:

* BA/BS from a top university and/or a MBA. * 3-5 years experience selling into utilities with demonstrated track-record of over-achievement * You love "the hunt," are a master salesperson, and know how to win business. * You have previously been a "pioneering salesperson," bringing new products into a market, building customer understanding and closing business. * You can quickly understand prospective client organizations, know how to assess and work with key client personalities, and can match business needs with an offer which meets those needs in the short-term, while allowing for significant growth over time. * You thrive when given the opportunity to win new business, and want to be the person who people know is driving the growth of the business. * "How do I meet this prospective client's needs and earn their business" is the question that keeps you up

Posted by crabwalk at 02/14/2009 @ 09:11am
I can think of few things more American than lobbying the govt for change. Business does it daily, some of the methods are mentioned in the Owners Manual...

But the cons see it as bad, lazy and a waste of time.

Could this action take place in Johns beloved China? No, they are a socialist/capitalist dictatorship, they do not allow mass gatherings to address their government. Maybe that is really what John wants us to learn form his mentors in how to run govt.

Why do the neo-cons hate America so much?

Posted by crabwalk at 02/14/2009 @ 09:17am
What is this from John Nichols?

"» State of Change

Now We Have To Focus on Job Creation | "

EGADS, leftists don't know about these things!!!

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http://www.cio.com/article/41405

/How_Green_Data_Centers_Save_Money

Read it if you can bear it, JOMMAMA.

Posted by crabwalk at 02/14/2009 @ 09:30am
Global Warming Propaganda Worse Than Predicted, Analysts Say

Today's alarmist headline from Reuters: "Global warming seen worse than predicted". Here is the story behind the headline:

The climate is heating up far faster than scientists had predicted, spurred by sharp increases in greenhouse gas emissions from developing countries like China and India, a top climate scientist said on Saturday.

But wait! The earth has cooled since 1998, so the statement that it is "heating up faster" is plainly false. What's going on here?

Field said "the actual trajectory of climate change is more serious" than any of the climate predictions in the IPCC's fourth assessment report called "Climate Change 2007."

Huh? Those (notoriously unreliable) climate predictions were made just over a year ago. And how can the "actual trajectory" be "more serious," since 2008 was cooler than 2007? This is the solution to the mystery:

"We now have data showing that from 2000 to 2007, greenhouse gas emissions increased far more rapidly than we expected, primarily because developing countries, like China and India, saw a huge surge in electric power generation, almost all of it based on coal," Field said.

There you have it! There is even more CO2 being emitted than had been predicted, even as the earth cools! So a better headline would have been, "Global warming theory disproved by empirical observation." Don't hold your breath waiting for that one, though.

Posted by pontificus at 02/14/2009 @ 7:24pm
pontificus, it gets even funnier for Obama!

California Weather Exposes Fiction of Global Warming Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:04 PM By: Lowell Ponte

The Golden State could become a desert wasteland, with no more winter salad greens from its parched Central Valley or wines from its withered Napa-Sonoma vineyards, before this century ends unless America takes drastic steps to slow global warming, warned U.S. Energy Secretary Steven Chu.

"We're looking at a scenario where there's no more agriculture in California," Chu told The Los Angeles Times, adding, "I don't actually see how they can keep their cities going."

Cities such as Los Angeles and San Diego could become sandstorm-blasted ghost towns, Chu seemed to be saying.

January had been unusually dry, the start of a third dry year in a row for California. But soon after Chu's interview, rain began falling. Rainstorm after rainstorm – an average of one every two days – rolled across and drenched much of the state. By Feb. 10, water-short San Diego had surged to 2 inches above its normal-to-date rainfall, and southland mountain ski lodges opened quickly.

This rain pattern continues, with huge storms expected to thicken the Northern Sierra snowpack that supplies much of California's water when it melts. The snowpack was only 61 percent of its usual thickness when Chu voiced concern about a drought.

The Chu Effect "It's the Gore Effect," says a laughing James Taylor, editor of the Heartland Institute think tank journal Environment & Climate News. "Almost every time global warming doomsayer Al Gore speaks or his movie is shown, unusual cold or blizzards happen. And now we have the Chu Effect. He warns of global warming-caused drought in California, and the heavens reply with almost nonstop rains.

Posted by comancheamerican at 02/14/2009 @ 11:31pm
With little or no planetary warming since 1998, alarmists and climate opportunists point increasingly to brief regional droughts as second-hand evidence of global warming.

"It's amazing how many big-mouth global warming alarmists get media attention who were never trained as climatologists," says Patrick Michaels, a research professor of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia.

Chu is the latest example. He is a brilliant physicist who shared a 1997 Nobel Prize for his research into how to manipulate atoms with lasers. He has been director of the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and a professor of physics and molecular and cellular biology at the University of California Berkeley. But like most global warming doomsayers, Chu has no degree in atmospheric sciences, meteorology, or climatology.

Posted by comancheamerican at 02/14/2009 @ 11:33pm
You have to read the rest of the article to see how Obamanation likes to put "idiots in charge" of his political agendas!

Posted by comancheamerican at 02/14/2009 @ 11:37pm
Posted by comancheamerican at 02/14/2009 @ 11:31pm

Well, remember, Chu says that it's not 'Global Warming' that's the problem, it's 'Climate Change'. And since the weather's changing all the time, there's plenty to worry about. And of course, a huge need for more government programs, taxes, and research funding to find out why the weather keeps changing! It's a crisis I tell ya! And lookie here! We got a report from the UN that confirms it! What more proof do you need?

Posted by pontificus at 02/15/2009 @ 12:22am
I am worried about the coming ICE AGE, its going to be hard to find food with no temperate growing season north of Mexico which even Alaska has now!

Posted by comancheamerican at 02/15/2009 @ 12:34am
I love it when they expose their basic misunderstanding of climate.

Too much fun.

Tell us how the fringe creation care folks are being indoctrinated by the atheist leftists. I would love to read the take on why that is happening.

Next Ponti will tell us how Obama has not changed a single Bush policy, exhibiting his knowledge of govt.

Posted by crabwalk at 02/15/2009 @ 10:20am
Here is a basic primer for you two peas in a pod:

Weather is different than climate

Posted by crabwalk at 02/15/2009 @ 10:23am
So, the question is, if God gave you the Earth, why don't you want to take care of it?

Ponti, are one of the "Earth is 6000 year old" club?

If not, how old is the Earth? If you think it is billions of years old, how did you determine that? Science or ideology? If you came to that conclusion through science, why are those same scientist so clueless about climate change?

If it is only 6000 years old, then God made it, why not care for it? The worst that could happen is we save energy for following generations. Why would you oppose that?

Posted by crabwalk at 02/15/2009 @ 10:27am
Next time you see a passenger pigeon write us about how we can harvest them indefinitely, the worry of extinction is just urban northeastern liberal hogwash!!

Posted by crabwalk at 02/15/2009 @ 10:32am
Posted by crabwalk at 02/15/2009 @ 10:23am

"Weather is different than climate"

So CRABBIE, apparently you've got a Climatology degree we've never known about. According to your latest dispatch from propaganda central, do we need to worry about 'Global Warming' or 'Climate Change'? And what ever happened to Global Warming, anyway? Is the Earth no longer warming? Or is the climate just changing? What's the difference? Hasn't the climate always changed? Please, I've not been fully indoctrinated into the dogma, help me out here.

Posted by pontificus at 02/15/2009 @ 11:05am
The one thing CERTAIN about weather is...we are gonna have some; our favorite saying here between the icestorms and tornados both in february as we had!

The fools that are the so-called leftist scientist are scratching around for a new theory trying to explain why the climate is COOLING off now and finding few straws to grasp at! They still haven't figured out how to blame the 30's warming and the 1500's glacial melts on automobiles and other carbon producers!

Posted by comancheamerican at 02/15/2009 @ 11:22am
If Luvvy shows up, haven't seen hide nor hair of him recently..

http://www.creationcareforpastors.com/

Posted by crabwalk at 02/13/2009 @ 12:37pm

I'm well aware of the group. They consist almost entirely of liberal evangelicals. there are no prominent conservative evangelicals as signatories

Also, I have repeatedly said that I'm all for good stewardship and the development of green technology. But not because of climate change.

Our climate has been in continuous climate change cycles since it was created and they will continue whether mankind is here or not.

mankind has been seeking progress throughout it's history and there is no reason to stop that now.

What we don't need though are govt mandates and coercion, greater taxation or any other means of govt manipulation of our progress.

That is the surest recipe against progress and freedom.

Posted by antisocialist at 02/15/2009 @ 12:00pm
Posted by comancheamerican at 02/15/2009 @ 11:22am

Did you see the Reuters article above where the title was a plain lie? The AGW cult and their proxies in the media have now resorted to presenting blatant falsehoods in the media. The media simply cannot be trusted, it's a propaganda machine for the Dems now.

Posted by pontificus at 02/15/2009 @ 1:09pm
The media simply cannot be trusted, it's a propaganda machine for the Dems now!

I thought and thought but I can't remember when it wasn't PONTI! Maybe during Ikes years??

Posted by comancheamerican at 02/15/2009 @ 6:40pm
So, the question is, if God gave you the Earth, why don't you want to take care of it?

Ponti, are one of the "Earth is 6000 year old" club?

If not, how old is the Earth? If you think it is billions of years old, how did you determine that? Science or ideology? If you came to that conclusion through science, why are those same scientist so clueless about climate change?

If it is only 6000 years old, then God made it, why not care for it? The worst that could happen is we save energy for following generations. Why would you oppose that?

Posted by crabwalk at 02/15/2009 @ 10:27am

How about the earth is older than 6000 years old and God made it. Just a thought. Aside from that, I see your point. I don't understand why some self-professed Christians(those that I see on tv) have no problems fighting for the life of fetuses but don't extend that fight to their environment. Some of them also have no problem with the death penalty, either. Oh well, whatever works for them.

Posted by k330k at 02/17/2009 @ 12:04pm
The media simply cannot be trusted, it's a propaganda machine for the Dems now!

I thought and thought but I can't remember when it wasn't PONTI! Maybe during Ikes years??

Posted by comancheamerican at 02/15/2009 @ 6:40pm

Oh please. The media is propaganda, period. Doesn't matter who's in power in Washington. You were being facetious, right?

Posted by k330k at 02/17/2009 @ 12:09pm
Posted by crabwalk at 02/15/2009 @ 10:27am

"If it is only 6000 years old, then God made it, why not care for it? The worst that could happen is we save energy for following generations. Why would you oppose that?"

First we take care of people's needs, then we take care of the planet. And no, the peoples' needs are not satisfied by treating them like slaves. I have a little different perspective than Nancy Pelosi.

Posted by pontificus at 02/17/2009 @ 10:27pm
You people do like to moan don't you?

"And no, the peoples' needs are not satisfied by treating them like slaves."

American's and slavery.

You need to realise that the economic policies that Simian George pursued landed the world in the mess it's in. You will now have a period of contrition where you have to pretend that you know what your talking about and try something other than your failed "market led solutions" to solve peoples problems.

Greed has undone you once more and republican leaders were at the help so shut up whineing and accept that you're not going to get your way for the next few years. Thank f*** for that.

Posted by reddeviljp at 02/18/2009 @ 03:45am
comancheamerican,

Up above, you debunked the lib theories of a "parched Central Valley" in California.

I can tell you from personal experience, that Northern California is not "sunny California" in the winter.

It rains, a lot!

The Russian River (north of San Francisco) floods a lot.

And, on top of this, libs would be surprised to learn that the city in the United States that is the second most susceptible to catastrophic flooding like they had in New Orleans, is SACRAMENTO.

If all the weather conditions broke wrong, tons of rain in the Central Valley, big snow pack in the Sierra, disrepair of levees in Sacramento and people living in flood prone areas, then Sacramento could be the next New Orleans.

Don't believe me, libs? (I am sure you don't). Then check the Bee website (www.sacbee.com) and search the archives for this topic, it has been there in the last few years.

The Bee is a lib-bias newspaper, so there is no reason for you libs to disbelieve the Bee, even if you don't believe me.

Posted by sjchermak at 02/18/2009 @ 8:20pm
I'm passionate that the best way to bring the changes we need in the economy and the environment is by creating local jobs to improve our infrastructure to lessen the impact on the environment. I feel really inspired after reading <a href="http://thinkingbigthebook.com/">Thinking Big</a>, especially the essay called An Inclusive Green Economy by Van Jones and Jason Walsh. They took the idea of green collar jobs farther and suggest a Clean Energy Corps be created that is a combined service, training, and job creation effort, concentrated in cities and struggling suburban and rural communities. Basically the idea is that price and the market are too slow to base the shift to a green economy on, which I totally agree with, and we should have a governing body put into place that coordinates green collar efforts to maximize efficiency and opportunity creation for Americans.

Posted by Olivery at 02/19/2009 @ 3:09pm