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RedditAccording to a recent Gallup poll, fifty-three percent of Americans expect their federal income taxes to increase if Barack Obama is elected president.
The truth: The Democratic candidate's plan would cut taxes for roughly 95 percent of American families, reports the non-partisan Tax Policy Center. How much would Obama save you? Check out ObamaTaxCut.com, a project of AlchemyToday.com, to use a nifty new tool that lets you calculate exactly what the Obama tax-cut would be worth to you.
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Well currently I'm unemployed which is soon to end. But I'm jut glad that since I won't make 250,000 or more, I'm gonna' get one at least. Although I'd rather make the 250,000 and pay a little more in taxes. Like Obama's family will when he imposes a tax increase on himself.
Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/10/2008 @ 6:26pm
>>>According to a recent Gallup poll, fifty-three percent of Americans expect their federal income taxes to increase if Barack Obama is elected president. <<<
Sounds like Obama needs a a political ad on this to get the truth out!
Posted by Metteyya at 09/10/2008 @ 6:29pm
Frankly, I wouldn't mind if our taxes DID go up. We need to invest in infrastructure that will help us live in the post-petroleum age: specifically, train tracks.
But of course, regardless of its level, taxation should always be progressive. People who make $10,000 a year should be taxed at a lower rate than people who make $100,000 a year. This stands to reason, though the plutocrats have invested much in making people swallow the unreason of "flat" taxes. Those who have are probably the same as those 53% who believe that Obama will raise their taxes.
Progressivity is, in fact, the most appealing thing about Obama's tax proposals. This is a man who knows how to make taxation fair.
Posted by JakobFabian at 09/10/2008 @ 6:40pm
....Unemployed...
That explains a LOT.
Posted by madlib at 09/10/2008 @ 6:27pm | ignore this person
Wow! A bit quick to down another American. "That explains a LOT."
Does everyone who is in any way objective see what we are up against? These are the kinds of people trying to run America. "That explains a LOT."
Hey madlib, I'm currently taking time off between making the video-games you play and the movies you watch. What are you doing? You get paid to blog? That explains a LOT." If not, you better watch out. You might join the 6.1% UNEMPLOYMENT RATE. So make fun of the more than 18 million people who are unemployed. "Real American" of you.
Signed,
A REAL American
Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/10/2008 @ 6:40pm
I WILL NO LONGER RESPOND TO madlib AND libshitbrains BECAUSE THEY WASTE THEIR BRAINS ON BULLSHIT!!! What's the point?
I'm sure the list will grow.
I will however continue to expose you for the truly horrible human beings you are.
YOUR NOT WORTHY!!! YOUR NOT WORTHY!!!
Wayne and Garth to you both.
Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/10/2008 @ 6:44pm
Hmmmm.....
Not believeing a democrat when he promises tax cuts......
Now WHY would the masses have trouble accepting that as truth????
Hmmmm.....
That's a tough one....
Oops, I got it... maybe it's because it's a crock of $hit....
Posted by bleedingheart at 09/10/2008 @ 6:44pm
well...a couple of years ago 10% of americans thought they were in the top 1% of income earners...
could explain some of the disconnect...
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 6:48pm
Posted by madlib at 09/10/2008 @ 6:48pm | ignore this person | warn this person
who you voting for?
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 6:50pm
Like I said, McCain has forced me to go with Obama, which kinda makes me hate him (McCain) even more than I did before.
Posted by madlib at 09/10/2008 @ 6:56pm | ignore this person | warn this person
good. well chosen. he's the best hope for progressivism, cause nader sure aint getting elected.
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 6:59pm
"It does explain whjy you want so m any things from the govt and you want those who make more than you to pay for it..."
Posted by JOMAMMA at 09/10/2008 @ 6:54pm | ignore this person
You don't know a FUCKING thing about me...or anything else! I saved money to take time off and still gave money to Obama to fight morons like you. I've paid my own way through 4 years of college. Are daddy and mommy floating the bills for you to blog and show off your limited intelligence to the whole world? I'm sure they're so proud.
By the way, your tag "JOMAMMA" revealed your racism from the start.
JOMAMMA now on the do not respond list. Your welcome JOMAMMA, I'm sure your ass hurts.
YOUR BRAIN'S NOT WORTHY!!! YOUR BRAIN'S NOT WORTHY!!!
Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/10/2008 @ 7:04pm
Apparently, HTML is on its way back to The Nation's blogosphere.
<b>Hooray!</b>
In the meantime, a little lighthearted Palin pallaver:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=v59mXowK2t8
Sarah Palin: Exposed!!!
;-)
Posted by b_kool_66 at 09/10/2008 @ 7:05pm
Jomamma, shut yo' mouth!!!! Any fool who'd work hard/save money to give to a PROVEN RACIST, Anti-American, Terrorist sympathizing ( Ayers ), Un-qualified MRXIST like Obama shouldn't be allowed access to a computer, let alone, A JOB!!!!
Posted by barry25 at 09/10/2008 @ 7:08pm
"TRANSFER OF WEALTH FROM THOSE WHO EARNED IT TO THOSE WHO DIDN"T..."
It's funny because there's never even a citation of where they pull these "facts" from. Because it's so often from their ass. At least they could try to make a better effort at making their points. Google is good. Whenever cornered with actual facts they just throw crap around to see what sticks, making the rest of us stop and try to clean it off.
Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/10/2008 @ 7:10pm
"Have you been taking your blood pressure meds?"
~madlib
His issues go well beyond those that are amenable to treatment.
Isn't that right, Zed?
Enjoying that shiny bright red ball gag I sent ya?
Still "living" in Nebraska I assume?
Posted by b_kool_66 at 09/10/2008 @ 7:10pm
ooops, I'm sorry Jomamma! That rant was meant for "Can we question Palin because we're very scared of her ". So Palin hater, SHUT Yo' Mouth. That's right, I KEEPS It REAL!
Posted by barry25 at 09/10/2008 @ 7:11pm
Posted by barry25 at 09/10/2008 @ 7:08pm | ignore this person
Boy that list of complete imbeciles just never stops growing. Welcome to the "ASSHOLE CLUB" barry25. You're right at home.
Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/10/2008 @ 7:13pm
Posted by JOMAMMA at 09/10/2008 @ 7:00pm
What part of your fuggin trinket business is dependent on "welfare checks"? You don't stop to think about that , do you Nimrod?
Posted by Sorelish at 09/10/2008 @ 7:14pm
If you chose not to obey me, can you at least explain the "racism' oin the name Jomamma considering the fact that it's been used universally in this country dfor the last 30 years among all races, at least the one's I grew up with? Typical liberal. When he get's clowned, embarrassed, and just plain proven wrong....he's goes straight to the comfort and security of the RACE CARD! PATHETIC but TYPICAL!
Posted by barry25 at 09/10/2008 @ 7:16pm
ooops, I'm sorry Jomamma! That rant was meant for "Can we question Palin because we're very scared of her ". So Palin hater, SHUT Yo' Mouth. That's right, I KEEPS It REAL!
Posted by barry25 at 09/10/2008 @ 7:11pm | ignore this person | warn this person
yo yo yo! its everybody's favorite vanilla ice of the right! shizzel the nizzel and bust out that fascist propagnda from his yacht with all his bitches off catalina while he windsurfs and raps to rush!
yeeeeah boyyyyy!!!!
idiot...
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 7:18pm
I know the topic is taxes, but since reality doesn't seem to matter here...I thought I'd reintroduce some. Reality meet America, America...reality.
MCCAIN VIDS ON YOUTUBE ARE HILARIOUS BECAUSE THEY ARE HIS OWN MOUTH AND NOT TRUMPED UP BULLSHIT!!!!
McCain was for Abortion before he was against it...
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video John-McCain:-Reformed-Maverick
This is one of my favorite examples of McCain on women's rights.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuseewBhzj0
And on rape victims, and Chelsea, killing Iranians, the fun never stops...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPnfnB7fRek
Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/10/2008 @ 7:20pm
"Yup...
Nuff said."
~Johnny the monsta' Maasch
Excellent, 'cuz you'll really dig the new Penetrator I'm sendin' yer way soon!
Posted by b_kool_66 at 09/10/2008 @ 7:25pm
" Can we question OBAMA?" NO, No, NO! When will Obama be asked questions about his close relationship with an unrepentant domestic Terrorist ( William Ayers )? The media will not touch this. Hannity had the Rev. Wright story for almost a year b4 the media picked it up. Same with edwards, yet they ran a fake story about Mccain the day it broke. Hannity has been running the Ayers story for almost a year but the media refuses to touch it and instead are focusing all their attention to a VP candidate's children and religion. Sickening. Can't we question Obama? And what about Tony Rezco and Obama's stinky deal on his house or the 14 million in taxpayer funds that Obama got for the Felon Rezco? "CAN WE QUESTION OBAMA"? mAN i JUST LOVE clownin' YOU FOOLS!
Posted by barry25 at 09/10/2008 @ 7:25pm
gloat while you can trolls - people are looking at your poster girl and seeing more and more whats behind the facade...
we shall see...
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 7:26pm
DICKSTER, ARE YOU A SEXIST DEM. LIKE oBAMA? BY " POSTER GIRL" YOU MUST BE SAYING THAT SHE'S NOTHING MORE THAN A PRETTY FACE EVEN THOUGH SHE'S ACCOMPLISHED FAR MORE THAN OSAMA AND ACTUALLY RUN SOMETHING!!!!! hAHAHAHAHAHAH
Posted by barry25 at 09/10/2008 @ 7:30pm
Posted by barry25 at 09/10/2008 @ 7:30pm | ignore this person | warn this person
no - not entirely.
i'm saying she was picked for
a) her image and
b) her ideology/theology - to "rally the base"
both have worked fine. she is physically attractive and definately represents well the extreme rightwing of the republican base.
not only does she follow the standard satano-aynrando secular republican ideology, but she also represents perfectly the rightwing christofascist wing of the party...
1. she wants women who have been raped or impregnated as a result of incest to bear their unwanted children...
2. she is against the genital warts vaccine and any mention of non abstinance methods of sex ed (look how well it worked for her family)
3. she wants to ban books that disagree with her religious/political philosophy
4. she wants to teach creation mythology in public schools
5. she has shown a distinct vindictiveness in her dealings with those who disagree with her verging on if not crossing the line of legality
6. apparantly like many of her fellow christofascist kooks (if she agrees with the theology of her chosen denomination) she looks forward to an apocalyptic hell in which all who dare not share her narrow beliefs will be burned, crushed, frozen, sliced, diced, splattered and smattered...
and who knows what else we will find out? once the reality of this kook and what she really truly stands for, represents...
i'm wondering if the gain in the party base will offset the loss in moderates who currently are seeing the facade.
its going to come out...
and please, repugnants, keep this silly distracto thing going...i'm interested to see what happens...
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 7:41pm
Posted by Zero at 09/10/2008 @ 7:38pm | ignore this person | warn this person
it will just come back under a new name.
its not unlike herpes...you can treat it temporarily but it always comes back eventually...
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 7:43pm
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 7:41pm
And don't forget she was IN FAVOR of the "Bridge to Nowhere", right upto and PAST Congress eliminating it as a project...
and STILL took the money allocated for it, if as a general grant!
(A fact, not deniable by her fans!)
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 7:46pm
(A fact, not deniable by her fans!)
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 7:46pm | ignore this person | warn this person
oh yeah! and what is next?
hmmmm....
i'm really interested in seeing how the public reacts as the reality sinks in...
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 7:49pm
Yes, I do apologize for our overheated friend LIBSHIT, who does as ZERO says seem so exaggerated and un-self-conscious that he suggests an unintentional mime. We're thinking of banning him which we rarely do but it's probably warranted in this case. In a way though I prefer him here in that while he's obsessing at his keyboard he's not out kicking puppies or abusing any friends, family members or neighbors he may have.
Posted by Peter Rothberg at 09/10/2008 @ 7:53pm
Posted by Peter Rothberg at 09/10/2008 @ 7:53pm | ignore this person | warn this person
hey peter. don't you guys ban it from time to time only for it to come back under a slightly different name?
ps: why did you guys ban me?
ibble
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 7:56pm
Posted by libshitbrains at 09/10/2008 @ 7:55pm | ignore this person | warn this person
QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK!!!!! QUACK DAMMIT!!!
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 7:58pm
obama is now taking off the brakes on his 527's.
good. lets see how the repugnants take their own medicine...
i have more respect for him evey day. he's gut punching them. lets see how this plays out.
he's squaring his jaw and putting his dukes up and punching back...
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 8:07pm
Posted by madlib at 09/10/2008 @ 8:02pm | ignore this person | warn this person
it just subtlely changes its handle and comes back...
you ignore it, it changes its handle, and POOF!
there it is again. what can you do?
ig it over and over and over. like i said, its like herpes.
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 8:09pm
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 7:49pm
Ask one of the Palianiacs (esp. Darin/MBB) to provide the TIMELINE for Palin's rejection of the "Bridge to Nowhere"....and where it was in the Congressional pipeline (as well as MCCAIN's criticism of it)....
and they'll dodge the issue or try "Well, she DID come out against it eventually!" (ignoring the fact that it after almost everybody but Ted Stevens already had!)
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 8:09pm
"In a way though I prefer him here....."
~Rothberg
Indeed.
It's actually enjoyable on a certain level to allow posters the likes of "shitbrain" to grace the sight with their horrifying presence.
It might even assist a few so-called undecideds to cast their lot in with us extreme liberal bloggers here at The Nation.
Yes, "shitbrain" is an interesting specimen, but in some significant ways he is not far off from what is considered acceptably right wing in today's America.
A sobering thought no doubt.
Posted by b_kool_66 at 09/10/2008 @ 8:15pm
YOU FOOLS DONT GET IT....PLEASE OH PLEASE ULEASH MORE OF YOUR VENUM....
Posted by libshitbrains at 09/10/2008 @ 8:08pm | ignore this person | warn this person
why? arent you spewing enough, idiot?
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Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 8:09pm | ignore this person | warn this person
obama has let loose the 527 dogs of war. lets see what dirt flies now.
call it megalomania, but i DO think important folks read what is said down here.
or (more likely i suppose - ho hum - lol)
we are pretty good at predicting the obvious. what else would an intelligent, well run campaign do?
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 8:15pm
b_kool ... loved the video. Keep up the good work! Here: get your unofficial McCain / Palin Campign Button! http://home.avenuebroadband.com/~dvaughn58/GOP2008.html
CanWe .... don't try and confuse them with stuff like facts and evidence.
"obama is now taking off the brakes on his 527's."
Oh, yeah .. let loose the dogs of war.
Posted by leftofcenter at 09/10/2008 @ 8:23pm
last time i looked at the mccain website i found no specifics on policy. just shallow glitzy BS and recounting his old war stoty.
often palin/mccain and the borderline tards of the right yap about how obama is an "Empty suite", all hope and no specifics, but if one actually listens to him one finds that this is a lie.
furthermore if one goes to his website one finds gobs and gobs and gobs of specifics in terms of policy...
so why does palin/mccain refuse to give irritating details on policy, yet constantly blabbulate about how obama has no details on policy?
it must be either...
1. just look at the bush administration...seems like at least the palin/mccain camp could have found some neocon docs and done some cuttin' 'n pastin'...
or
2. they have no specifics on policy - just a bunch of rightwing sloganeering and several subtlely different versions of "flippy mac and the evil gooks" or "mrs. mooseburger and grampa"...
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 8:28pm
empty suit not suite...yup...
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 8:29pm
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 8:15pm
Probably a good idea. The Right is in a mode of "Hit Obama for something phoney...then if he counter-attacks say he's not 'change' and 'he's acting like HE's the victim'."
Saddest thing is to see a man sell his soul.....sad locally with FRANKGRITS...
just as sad for John McCain, who now plays the kind of politics that destroyed him in 2000...aka "Bush/Rove" politics. The last scaps of ol' Maverick John are dead, atleast as far as a campaigner.
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 8:50pm
New Rassmussen poll says:
"Most Voters Say Encouraging Economic Growth is Key, but Big Government is Not the Solution"
Damnit..... I hate when that happens.
Posted by bleedingheart at 09/10/2008 @ 8:53pm
After reading the responses on this site....
I'm beginning to think the "left leaning youth, he's such a great speaker, being kool is very important, self-described elitist" crowd has peaked....
And the "I've had enough of Oprah, Olbermann, Mathews, Couric, Letterman, Affleck, Sheen, Penn, et al." crowd is puttin' up a few responses of their own.
IF YOU HAMMER YOUR GUNS INTO PLOWS, YOU'LL PLOW FOR THOSE WHO DIDN'T.
Posted by bleedingheart at 09/10/2008 @ 9:10pm
...Unemployed...
That explains a LOT.
Posted by madlib at 09/10/2008 @ 6:27pm
well, there's millions just like him.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 9:27pm
while a few of the "left" posters fall into the realm of clichés,
it seems that an astounding 96.7% on the "right" deal in an incredibly limited range of "ideas",
mostly personal attacks and nonsense.
when they actually approach an issue, the seem to be parrots reyakyakking what they heard their grandpas complain about when they were two years old.
"those socialist democommies are gonna raise the taxes of every single american until we bow down to forces of stalinism.
everybody knows that increasing the debt is the way to fund the only constitutionally approved program, war."
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 9:36pm
well,
i'd be happy if SOMEONE would reign in the most oppressive tax of all,
INFLATION.
why do you think all the jobs are gone?
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 9:37pm
Idiots.
Projected by JOMAMMA at 09/10/2008 @ 7:00pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 9:38pm
Posted by RedRiver_. at 09/10/2008 @ 9:01pm |
Anybody want to bet the sum total of RIO/RED's portion of the Bush tax cut ....
was his $600 "refund"...and that was it?
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 9:38pm
Do you mean to say you believe a check from the govt is a tax cut?
Posted by JOMAMMA at 09/10/2008 @ 7:12pm
so, i imagine you sent your last "stimulus" cheque back due to your high moral ground.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 9:41pm
It's funny because there's never even a citation of where they pull these "facts" from.
Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin?
when i cite economic stats,
i'm either ignored
or
i'm told that i hate america
or
i'm told that ronald reagan's memory is the only thing that still powers the sun.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 9:43pm
Many of the WingNut ranters here (like LibZ for instance .. but not uniquely) bring to mind a favorite cartoon .. in the Ren & Stimpy episode "Mad Dog Hoek", Stimpy (as Killer Kadoogan) pushes the rampaging Ren aside and rants hey,
"I want to holler the loud funny words! I like Darren! He is my friend! I like YOU AND HIM. I like his autograph! It is a nice picture! I liiiiike!" ..
...and then his tongue falls out
Posted by leftofcenter at 09/10/2008 @ 9:46pm
is on a 2 weeks PMS break down...
Posted by JOMAMMA at 09/10/2008 @ 7:12pm
and the crassitude continues.....
banish the bleeders. touch not the foul woman.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 9:46pm
we shall see...
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 7:26pm
TOMORROW'S HEADLINES:
PALIN SHINES IN HARD-HITTING GIBSON EXPOSE.
PALIN TOPS ALL NIELSEN RATINGS.
DEMOCRATS DESTROYED BY PALIN.
anything to sell shampoo.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 9:50pm
Posted by leftofcenter at 09/10/2008 @ 9:46pm
You want some insane rants...head back to the "Palin the Librarian" thread...
Darin doing his "Kevin Costner explains the Zapruder film" bit from "JFK" on...
"Obama calling Palin a pig"....got it down to the SECONDS!
ROFLMAO!
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 9:50pm
and please, repugnants, keep this silly distracto thing going...i'm interested to see what happens...
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 7:41pm
¡dios mío!
she the taliburian candidate.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 9:52pm
and please, repugnants, keep this silly distracto thing going...i'm interested to see what happens...
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 7:41pm
¡dios mío!
she's the taliburian candidate.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 9:53pm
you can treat it temporarily but it always comes back eventually...
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 7:43pm
keep that immune system strong!
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 9:54pm
(A fact, not deniable by her fans!)
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 7:46pm
of course it is.
just watch mr. gibson's interview.
all will be laid to rest.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 9:56pm
he's squaring his jaw and putting his dukes up and punching back...
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 8:07pm
thanks for the advice, ibbblelble.
FACTS - TRUTH '08
Fuck You, WarMongering Inflationizers!
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 9:59pm
Mask...LOL
Here is an audio clip (seems the video is off of YouTube)
http://sounds.wavcentral.com/televis/renstimp/holler_l.au
Posted by leftofcenter at 09/10/2008 @ 10:01pm
At this point, I'm starting to wonder if Obama will run again in 2012.....
Michelle said this would be the only chance he gets...
LIVE BY THE SWORD
{popularity (Obama) over ability (Clinton)}
DIE BY THE SWORD
{Palin's popularity surpasses Obama's}
Posted by bleedingheart at 09/10/2008 @ 10:01pm
but i DO think important folks read what is said down here.
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 8:15pm
why, thank you.
did you know that frankgrunts is actually joe lieberman?
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 10:01pm
"Most Voters Say Encouraging Economic Growth is Key, but Big Government is Not the Solution" Damnit..... I hate when that happens.
Posted by bleedingheart at 09/10/2008 @ 8:53pm
federal employees (in thousands)
1971 5,675 R 1972 5,225 R 1973 5,113 R 1974 5,091 R 1975 5,061 R 1976 5,002 R 1977 5,005 D 1978 5,028 D 1979 4,939 D 1980 4,965 D 1981 4,982 R 1982 4,972 R 1983 5,039 R 1984 5,088 R 1985 5,256 R 1986 5,228 R 1987 5,301 R 1988 5,289 R 1989 5,292 R 1990 5,234 R 1991 5,152 R 1992 4,931 R 1993 4,758 D 1994 4,620 D 1995 4,475 D 1996 4,354 D 1997 4,226 D 1998 4,196 D 1999 4,135 D 2000 4,129 D 2001 4,132* R 2002 4,152* R 2003 4,210* R 2004 4,187* R 2005 4,138* R 2006 4,133* R
*no significant rise during bush II can be attributed to extensive use of outsourcing, particularly in "intelligence" and military personnel.
SEE ANY PATTERNS?
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 10:06pm
uh oh,
facts.
i'm gonna scare 'em away again.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 10:07pm
Now Obama's trying to get away with his bad words. Not so fast.
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Obama rejects 'lipstick' charge
Obama's 'lipstick' reference The US Democratic presidential candidate has denied claims of sexism after likening his rival's promise of change to putting "lipstick on a pig".
The controversy began on Tuesday after Mr Obama said his rival was advocating change while pursuing the politics of the current Bush administration.
'Made-up' controversy
Mr Obama made the remark during a rally in Virginia where he accused the McCain campaign of trying suddenly to adopt the promise of change - a platform he himself has been running on for months.
Posted by HelenDAO at 09/10/2008 @ 10:07pm
I said in the beginning that America would never elect a black man as president.
Posted by madlib at 09/10/2008 @ 10:00pm
cool.
it seems he's only a half'n'half freak.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 10:10pm
I thought sending anyone a check was stupid and wrong for the entire economy...
Posted by JOMAMMA at 09/10/2008 @ 10:06pm
hmm.
a simple question, jm.
where did that money come from?
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 10:12pm
Colin Powel [sic]
Posted by JOMAMMA at 09/10/2008 @ 10:19pm
nope. wouldn't count. the man is paler than me after a day at the beach:
Powell was born in Harlem, New York USA in 1937 to Jamaican immigrant parents and was raised in the South Bronx. He also has Scottish, Jewish and many other ancestries.
stupid humans.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 10:23pm
Why do you hate freedom?
Posted by madlib at 09/10/2008 @ 10:13pm
because it's full of dom!
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 10:24pm
You're just wondering if that community organizer language is all Obama's capable of? Of course, he used this smear and bad words sucessfully against Hillary. But you doubt that's stateman language.
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Roger Stone: 'Obama Hurt Himself Very Badly' Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:37 PM
By: Ashley Martella
Veteran political consultant Roger Stone believes that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama shot himself in the foot with his remarks that Republican rival John McCain's campaign angrily charged he served up a low blow against McCain's running mate Sarah Palin.
"He ought to know by now that when a presidential candidate says anything at all, it's around the globe in seconds, thanks to the Internet," he tells Newsmax TV.
Posted by HelenDAO at 09/10/2008 @ 10:24pm
And I thought the liberals were supposed to be naive...
Posted by madlib at 09/10/2008 @ 10:23pm
jm's stuck in 1987.
scientists are trying to extract him, but have had no success thus far.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 10:25pm
man,
i can't wait till 11:00pm.
i feel like i'm waiting for the results of an HIV test........
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 10:38pm
that's incorrect, jm.
that money was conjured out of thin air.
taxes, shmaxes. there's already a huge deficit. how could they use money that doesn't exist?
THEY PRINT IT.
just adding more fuel to the inflation fire*.
it might look like the chinese or saudis lent it,
but it just an illusion.
your great-great grandkids will be servicing the debt from this administration.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 10:41pm
*more than a year ago, you said,
and if you permit me to paraphrase,
"inflation, what inflation?"
have you bought rice lately?
the only reason that everything else hasn't gone up 30 or 40% is because we've exported the inflation onto the backs and lungs of people in places like china.
why do you think clinton was so gung-ho on MOST FAVOURED NATION B.S. and WTO?
wages and regulations haven't chased away the jobs,
INFLATION HAS.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 10:45pm
I get out plenty..I travel 3 weeks a month or more.
Posted by JOMAMMA at 09/10/2008 @ 10:45pm
my son comes home for lunch.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 10:46pm
apparantly THE NATION will come out tomorrow with a story by berman linking mccain to anne hathaway's ex beau, that italian con man who just got convicted guy...
keep diggin' in alaska too - there's dirty gold in them thar moose infested hills!!!!
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 11:02pm
keep diggin' in alaska too - there's dirty gold in them thar moose infested hills!!!!
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 11:02pm
did you watch "it"?
i was afraid of smashing the tele....
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 11:04pm
keep diggin' in alaska too - there's dirty gold in them thar moose infested hills!!!!
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 11:02pm
gold is a very dirty business.
right, jm?
(as if he'd care. who cares about heavy metals leeching into rivers)
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 11:06pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 11:04pm | ignore this person | warn this person
yup. nite. work comes early 2morow and i been sicky for 2 days.
the undiscovered country approacheth...
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 11:07pm
keep diggin' in alaska too - there's dirty gold in them thar moose infested hills!!!!
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 11:02pm
it's very ironic but the national enquirer just may turn out to be america's salvation.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 11:19pm
"say what you want, but mention "Community Organiser" and eyes roll and wince, on BOTH sides of the aisle"
this is an absolutely ridiculous statement. when i was young, i fed the poor every weekend in soup kitchens in the neighborhoods where obama was a community activist. they are some of the worst neighborhoods in chicago. obama, instead of going to wall street or working in a high-profile law firm, decided to help the most vulnerable people in chicago improve their lives. this is indisputable. he was a tireless advocate of the poor. i simply do not understand why this is insignificant, and yet running a company is. obama had to go up against the most entrenched, corrupt, and patriarchal interests controlling the city of chicago.
and when giuliani belittled obama's service to his community (something mccain is championing via his vapid campaign slogan 'country first'), that was it for me. i realized then that the republican party is a bunch of fascistic, evil f*cktards.
Posted by darladoon at 09/10/2008 @ 11:44pm
btw, thank you peter for posting this most important issue.....mccain, palin, et al, have been lying through their teeth, and it's time we conscious beings fought back *hard* against these pricks.
Posted by darladoon at 09/10/2008 @ 11:46pm
so jomamma earns more than the rest of us, and feels he is entitled to keep it.
well, then, i guess he doesn't embrace mccain's empty-headed campaign slogan 'country first'?
and i guess he disagrees with mccain's original position on the tax cuts (he was opposed to them prior to obtaining the GOP nomination)?
Posted by darladoon at 09/10/2008 @ 11:48pm
John Feehery, a Republican strategist, said the campaign is entering a stage in which skirmishes over the facts are less important than the dominant themes that are forming voters' opinions of the candidates.
"The more the New York Times and The Washington Post go after Sarah Palin, the better off she is, because there's a bigger truth out there and the bigger truths are she's new, she's popular in Alaska and she is an insurgent," Feehery said. "As long as those are out there, these little facts don't really matter."
FACTS - TRUTH '08
Don't You Love Your Kids?
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 11:55pm
fail in govt and you could destroy an economy and the lives of an entire country.
Posted by JOMAMMA at 09/11/2008 @ 12:00am
hmm?
why does all that seem so familiar?
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/11/2008 @ 12:02am
Godd news is the French like Obama. Bad news is the French always want bad things for America.
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Barack Obama, the French American idol AFP 09/09/2008 If anyone needed proof of France's love for Barack Obama, le Figaro offered it today with an opinion poll. This finds that 80 percent of the French want the Democrat candidate to win the US presidency while only eight percent favour John McCain.
The poll was carried out by TNS Sofres on September 2 and 3, before McCain benefited from the Sarah Palin bounce but it gives an idea of the overwhelming wish in France to see a President Obama take office. Eighty-six percent have a good opinion of him compared with only 35 percent for McCain.
Posted by HelenDAO at 09/11/2008 @ 12:05am
Obama Tax cuts means the goverment will continue to increase in size and nothing will improve. Oh yeah and I will be paying more taxes according the Tax calculator.
Posted by apoorspic at 09/11/2008 @ 12:16am
I really don't know much about the man and neither does America. Posted by RedRiver_. at 09/11/2008 @ 12:04am
What!? He's been running for president for like 2 years. He did 22 debates. He's written 2 books. Don't say "neither does America". I was in the military for 8 years ending in '04. I was most definitely the career military guy, and then the leadership crumbled. It wasnt pretty 01-04. Yes men and Onward Christian soldiers, I mean it got a little weird and wow what a cluster"f"! Time to turn off the Toby Keith records and take that damn yellow ribbon off your car. Every time I came back to the states I saw more of that stuff, meanwhile, while you "heartland" types listen to Rush and Hannity and neocon babble, you stopped holding their(DC's) feet to the flames. Please take another look. Obama's in no way a marxist and all the suspicion is beginning to make me think conservative really is code for folks who dont dig non-white non-anglo types. BTW I'm Irish Catholic by ethnicity, so I have a whole different perspective sometimes.
Posted by Chongo at 09/11/2008 @ 12:33am
I guess I'm supposed to buy into whatever folksy shit Charlie Daniels sells. I've met too many of these fake patriots assclowns in the past few. Stop posting whole articles, get a life.
Posted by Chongo at 09/11/2008 @ 12:40am
"Doing volunteer work, while admirable and rewarding, does not qualify as excutive experience"
obama is not claiming that community organizing experience, in and of itself, qualifies him for the presidency. that is where you are (clearly) at fault in your line of "reasoning" or however you want to describe how your tongue translates your head.
"Does that mean that he would only represent the high-minded liberal ideals of the far left and ignore the rest of us? "
yeah, that incredibly "high minded" idea of restoring the rule of law and at least minimally attempting to understand the problems of the middle class. so high minded of him, what an elitist!
Posted by darladoon at 09/11/2008 @ 01:03am
any claim that obama is only looking out for the "far left" is clearly evidence that the person who claimed it doesn't understand certain, fundamental laws of reality.
Posted by darladoon at 09/11/2008 @ 01:06am
how does one engage in a conversation with someone who really believes that obama is somehow attempting to curry favor with the so-called "far left"?
because he opposed the war? because he wants to rescind the egregious bush tax cuts? because he is opposed to torture?
or because he supported offshore drilling and telecom immunity? heh, heh....
Posted by darladoon at 09/11/2008 @ 01:09am
Godd news is the French like Obama. Bad news is the French always want bad things for America.
Posted by HelenDAO at 09/11/2008 @ 12:05am
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/11/2008 @ 01:31am
give me your tired, and your poor
beautiful.
you see, that is the america that i want to know again. and we have far more in common with the french than the media leads us to believe....
we both liberated the slaves. we both found freedom from tyranny.
Posted by darladoon at 09/11/2008 @ 01:40am
Two questions-
1. If Obama cuts taxes to the middle class after letting the Bush cuts expire....how will the majority of Americans experience a tax hike?
2. Do you REALLY think, without a LANDSLIDE victory in the Fall, that John McCain is going to get the Dem Congress to make the Bush cuts permanent?
If not, then REGARDLESS, according to your definition, there's going to be a "tax hike" in 2010, isn't there?
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/11/2008 @ 08:57am
Not believeing a democrat when he promises tax cuts......
Posted by bleedingheart at 09/10/2008 @ 6:44pm
St. Ronald raised taxes, fool.
Posted by skeletonman at 09/11/2008 @ 08:58am
Do you want to be a dem running for re-election with the Repubs screaming that they are raising your taxes?----Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/11/2008 @ 09:05am
Uh, Darin....Repubs did that in 2006.
They do it in EVERY election year.
They're going to do it THIS election year, and none but the most delusional think that the Dems aren't going to PICK UP seats this year.
As for your faith in John McCain (or is it in "President Palin") and your thinking that Dems are going to acede to his wishes on permanent tax cuts...let me give you three words....
"Read my lips"
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/11/2008 @ 09:13am
hey darin,
vote republican't!
œœœœœœ
"With the most significant physics installation in the world now located here on the Swiss-French border, employing 9,000 of the world's top physicists, and with Washington having cancelled or scaled down its funding for many of its largest physics initiatives, it is widely felt that only Europe now has the mass of funding able to attract the best minds in the field."
œœœœœœ
BURN THE BOOKS!
HANG THE INFIDELS!
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/11/2008 @ 09:21am
'Nobody buys his claim that he will only increase taxes on a few rich people and give the rest of us tax cuts. Voters can add, and they realize that his spending plans and tax-cut promises come to a trillion dollars and that his tax increases represent only one-tenth as much. They know that everyone who pays taxes will end up paying more if Obama is elected. The question will be: Is it worth it?' -- Dick Morris -- 10 September, 2008
Posted by HonestLiberal at 09/11/2008 @ 09:29am
HonestLiberal, you can't really say that Dick Morris is a liberal, can you? He zorked for president Clinton!
Posted by Mistral at 09/11/2008 @ 09:35am
zorked?
Posted by HonestLiberal at 09/11/2008 @ 09:38am
holy fuck, HL
turn off the ditto machine.
did you see charlie rose last night?
both richard rubin
(not my favourite guy but he sure knows more the ¡¡¡dick!!! morris)
and lawrence summers were on saying that mccains plan to continue
AND EXPAND the bush tax cuts for the superdupers
was a recipe for the demise of the u.s. economy.
FACTS - TRUTH '08
btw don't be greedy. remember COUNTRY FIRST!
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/11/2008 @ 09:41am
btw don't be greedy. remember COUNTRY FIRST!
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/11/2008 @ 09:41am
oops,
the last part was for DARIN.
that's what happens when you listen to zakir hussain will typing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As1OMMcHXFs&fmt=18&fmt=18
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/11/2008 @ 09:47am
Sorry, meant to type "worked"
Posted by Mistral at 09/11/2008 @ 09:48am
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=zorked
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/11/2008 @ 09:49am
Posted by HonestLiberal at 09/11/2008 @ 09:29am
HL, want to quote Dick Morris...
go to www.thedailyshow.com and look at the "Sarah Palin Gender Card" video...
where Dick tells us BOTH that Sarah is a victim of sexism...and how Hillary uses charges of sexism as a shield!
The man's a hack...and given he ASSURED us that HRC would be the Dem nominee and none could stop her, not much of a prognosticator either.
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/11/2008 @ 09:58am
Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/11/2008 @ 09:59am
Yet, YOUR side of the aisle constantly references him....and with the added "authority" that "He once worked for Clinton!!!!", implying that he is non-partisan or bipartisan or fair.
Truth is...Morris drifted where the money is. He saw an opportunity to be the "Clinton insider" who would bash Hillary, later Bill....write a series of "Ann Coulter" books (quickly produced, slack on content, RAPIDLY bought up by the literate Right) and get a lot of air-time on Fox News.
But he's been dead wrong on so much...mostly due to his MAASCH'ian loathing of Hillary and assignment of Sauron-like powers to the woman.
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/11/2008 @ 10:07am
oops, yep.
robert citigroup rubin.
who's richard rubin?
clik, clik.......
egad!
he's one of them geek/beauty dudes.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/11/2008 @ 10:18am
hey darin,
if you put lipstick on a cunt,
does that make it a trollop?
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/11/2008 @ 10:19am
http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2008/09/10/1/a-conv
ersation-with-robert-rubin-and-larry-summers
*video not yet available.
worth bookmarking for later.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/11/2008 @ 10:25am
And, apparently, Dick Morris is one spiteful son-of-a-bitch. He's got all the money he could ever use, but he misses the power and sticking it to Hillary might feel like power.
You act that I should be ashamed of things Morris does. I guess I don't see it that way.-----Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/11/2008 @ 10:18am
Would you read these two sentences separately....and see if that makes ANY sense?
"He's a spiteful SOB" but "you don't see that you should be ashamed of the things he does"?!?!?!??!
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/11/2008 @ 10:28am
Either way, McCain and the Republicans benefit.
Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/11/2008
and that's the kind of northwoods style bullshit you want for your son?!?!??!
god help us.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/11/2008 @ 11:05am
you know darin,
global warming could turn out to be a crock,
and that would be excellent!
but if that crock gets us of fossil fuels,
which are dirty, dirty poisons
that foul the land and people's hearts,
all the better we will be.
OR DO YOU LIKE BEING A SLAVE TO CANADIAN WHIMS?
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/11/2008 @ 11:11am
darin,
you don't know if it is hysteria.
nobody does.
and MOST climatologists agree that it isn't.
ethanol is, of course, stupid.
good-bye lake erie, good-bye gulf of méxico.
fission is really dumb.
fusion, well we're still waiting, godot.
conservation is the #1 thing to do.
carbon tax? well, not the best idea. BUT IT IS A MUCH BETTER IDEA THAN FINANCING WARS FOR OIL THROUGH DEBT!!!!
education is key.
oil sucks and coal is worse.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/11/2008 @ 11:33am
Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/11/2008 @ 10:39am
Oh, no, Darin....don't get to play the "I was just joking" card NOW (about your "best case scenario being McCain dies")
You didn't say anything about "tongue-in-cheek" YESTERDAY when you thought maybe you could get away with it or that I'd move on.
You're a full-blown "Palanmaniac"...YOUR "Messiah" wears a skirt and horn-rims....
and you REALLY do hope that She will get elected and poor ol' Maverick kicks the bucket!
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/11/2008 @ 12:30pm
People believe what they want.........
He is suppose to tax the higher income people.
ATTENTION PEOPLE.........DO NOT BELIVE EVERYTHING YOU ARE TOLD.
Posted by lvdragonlady at 09/11/2008 @ 12:59pm
The assertion that any given politician will say one thing during a campaign and do another after is nearly universal, and unlikely to face serious challenge in any quarter.
But McCain claims that Obama's tax plan AS PROPOSED will raise taxes on the middle class.
This is a lie, plain and simple.
Posted by drhammer at 09/11/2008 @ 1:27pm
And I bet she is an Obama voter...what about her DAD..limonsine lib?Sounds more like an idiot as is her daughter. Posted by JOMAMMA at 09/11/2008 @ 08:17am
Actually in my experience most of those people vote Republican. Look at Bush if you want an example.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/11/2008 @ 2:12pm
And I bet she is an Obama voter...what about her DAD..limonsine lib?Sounds more like an idiot as is her daughter. Posted by JOMAMMA at 09/11/2008 @ 08:17am
Actually in my experience most of those people vote Republican. Look at Bush if you want an example.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/11/2008 @ 2:13pm
nice try, but I'm not taking the bait. Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/11/2008 @ 2:38pm
I don't know, Mask definitely has a certain way of riling you up.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/11/2008 @ 2:44pm
Oh yeah, <strikethrough>global warming hysteria</strikethrough> the GWOT is also a bad thing if it causes a group of elites to believe that they and they alone know the Truth and that in order to save the planet and humanity, all others' liberties must be sacrificed for the greater good.
Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/11/2008 @ 11:32am
html effects added...
Posted by FLaim at 09/11/2008 @ 5:09pm
Democrats will always raise taxes. Here in Minnesota a majority took over the legislature as the result of the 2006 elections and they immediately started raising taxes. It is what they do. They don't have any alternative if they want to pay for their programs. If you like it, vote for them. If you don't vote against them.
Posted by jsens at 09/11/2008 @ 10:42pm
I went to the tax policy institute and found that under Mcwars plan I will get a smaller tax cut than I would under Obama`s , the biggest fact is that under Mcwars the rich and powerful get a more sizable cut at 10 times more compared to my piddly 0.3 percent cut and not to mention the huge tax cuts for our greedy corporations so McWars loses on this issue and every other issue he doesn`t talk about because he is to busy slamming and lieing about Obama and doing the usuall re-puke diversion from the issues because they will lose if they run a decent campaign on the issues.
Posted by crease at 09/12/2008 @ 11:56am
THAT is why all believe taxes will go up..because some else will pay for the spending...
Idiots.
Posted by JOMAMMA at 09/10/2008 @ 7:00pm
I'd like to note a couple of things here JM. First of all, that top 1% is waaaay the hell out of your league in finances from what you say in your posts. You're defending people who control politicians, influence elections with their power and money, and get exactly what they want 99.9% of the time. Basically, you are defending people who screw you over.
Secondly, I'd like to point out that we wouldn't have to pay so much in taxes if we quit spending so much God Damned money on defense and the pentagon. If we cut our defense spending in half, we'd still be outspending the other nations on the planet. If the U.S. really wants to turn the corner, we need to get out of the 1940's mindset. We aren't in WWII anymore. The terrorists are using homemade devices to fight with. If you really want to have a war on terror, instead of letting the military handle it, perhaps we could let our criminal element fight it. They'd improvise a hell of a lot better, and no the street warefare approach much better than the weenie heads in the pentagon.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 09/12/2008 @ 1:20pm
Wolfgang....
LOL, I have this mental image of guys in suits popping into a middle-eastern cave.
"Yo ... Osama. Me and da boys thinks dat we needs to have a little chat .. Brooklyn style."
Posted by leftofcenter at 09/12/2008 @ 2:47pm
Wolfgang has it right. America is the world bully with the world's largest military budget. We spend more on war and destruction than any other country. And for what?
The US has over 3,000 nuclear warheads. Why is that exactly? The Europeans say the US is the biggest threat to world peace. When Bush says we're establishing the first democracy in the middle east that's a lie. We destroyed the first democracy in the middle east.
Mohammed Mossadegh, the democratically elected president of Iran in the 1950's, had the audacity to nationalize the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company. Uh-oh, no more cheap oil for the west.
The US stages a military coup in Iran - Mossadegh's government overthrown - The Shaw of Iran installed - cheap oil source restored - Iranians revolt - the Shaw flees the country - Ayatholla Komeini comes to power -American Embassy raided - US hostages taken - Carter refuses to trade arms for hostages - Reagan inaugrated - hostages released hours later.
Why do you suppose the Iranians don't trust us? Why do they reject our demand that they give up their quest for nuclear weapons? Why can we have 3000 but they can't have any? Who gave us the authority to say who can and who can't have them? We're the ony country to have ever used them.
Imagine that Iran made a pre-emptive strike Canada and occupied that nation. Imagine Iran had 3000 nuclear weapons, but said we can't have one. How would that make you feel?
Posted by DucknCover at 09/12/2008 @ 3:10pm
Wolfgang has it right. America is the world bully with the world's largest military budget. We spend more on war and destruction than any other country. And for what?
The US has over 3,000 nuclear warheads. Why is that exactly? The Europeans say the US is the biggest threat to world peace. When Bush says we're establishing the first democracy in the middle east that's a lie. We destroyed the first democracy in the middle east.
Mohammed Mossadegh, the democratically elected president of Iran in the 1950's, had the audacity to nationalize the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company. Uh-oh, no more cheap oil for the west.
The US stages a military coup in Iran - Mossadegh's government overthrown - The Shaw of Iran installed - cheap oil source restored - Iranians revolt - the Shaw flees the country - Ayatholla Komeini comes to power -American Embassy raided - US hostages taken - Carter refuses to trade arms for hostages - Reagan inaugrated - hostages released hours later.
Why do you suppose the Iranians don't trust us? Why do they reject our demand that they give up their quest for nuclear weapons? Why can we have 3000 but they can't have any? Who gave us the authority to say who can and who can't have them? We're the ony country to have ever used them.
Imagine that Iran made a pre-emptive strike on Canada and occupied that nation. Imagine Iran had 3000 nuclear weapons, but said we can't have a single one. How would that make you feel?
Posted by DucknCover at 09/12/2008 @ 3:11pm
Wolfgang has it right. America is the world bully with the world's largest military budget. We spend more on war and destruction than any other country. And for what?
The US has over 3,000 nuclear warheads. Why is that exactly? The Europeans say the US is the biggest threat to world peace. When Bush says we're establishing the first democracy in the middle east that's a lie. We destroyed the first democracy in the middle east.
Mohammed Mossadegh, the democratically elected president of Iran in the 1950's, had the audacity to nationalize the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company. Uh-oh, no more cheap oil for the west.
The US stages a military coup in Iran - Mossadegh's government overthrown - The Shaw of Iran installed - cheap oil source restored - Iranians revolt - the Shaw flees the country - Ayatholla Komeini comes to power -American Embassy raided - US hostages taken - Carter refuses to trade arms for hostages - Reagan inaugrated - hostages released hours later.
Why do you suppose the Iranians don't trust us? Why do they reject our demand that they give up their quest for nuclear weapons? Why can we have 3000 but they can't have any? Who gave us the authority to say who can and who can't have them? We're the ony country to have ever used them.
Imagine that Iran made a pre-emptive strike on Canada and occupied that nation. Imagine Iran had 3000 nuclear weapons, but said we can't have a single one. How would that make you feel?
Posted by DucknCover at 09/12/2008 @ 3:12pm
Yo ... Osama. Me and da boys thinks dat we needs to have a little chat .. Brooklyn style."
Posted by leftofcenter at 09/12/2008 @ 2:47pm
I believe Osama does need to have a chat Brooklyn style with da boys. My money is that the professional criminals are better at their jobs than the Blackwater Mercs.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 09/12/2008 @ 3:14pm
Over the years, I've seen poll after poll after poll that finds a great number of citizens want to pay more income tax..
Well....
Let THEM pay more!
Send out a SASE to every person. The ones who want to pay more, well freaking let them. Make out a check folks, send it in!
Posted by bleedingheart at 09/12/2008 @ 3:54pm
Make out a check folks, send it in!
Posted by bleedingheart at 09/12/2008 @ 3:54pm
new weapons system = more taxes
More soldiers = more taxes
war in other countries = more taxes
Everytime the fed bails out banks = more taxes
Supporting countries like Pakistan, Jordan,Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, Georgia and so on = more taxes
Tax refunds = more taxes
You guys bitch and whine like children about paying taxes for people on welfare, but have zero problem with subsidizing the corporate welfare machine in the form of the military industrial complex. Where do you think the $300 toilet seat came from?...the military.
How much tax money has been takan on the lamb in Iraq. How much money has Halliburton made on the Iraq debacle.
How much money will Exxon, Chevron, BP and the others make on their Iraq contracts? How much will us tax payers get back?
The Bush administration is full of graft and McCain appears to be set on the path to follow suit. Do you fools (neocons) just want to dive head first into another great depression? We're on our way unless we change course rapidly.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 09/12/2008 @ 4:52pm
"new weapons system = more taxes
More soldiers = more taxes
war in other countries = more taxes
Everytime the fed bails out banks = more taxes"
EXACTLY!!
SO......
GET THE HELL OUT OF IRAQ (Like Obama used to talk about..) VOTE NADER
AND DON'T BAIL OUT ANYMORE GREEDY WALLSTREET MOFO'S
(LTCM, BEAR STEARNS, FANNIE & FREDDIE, LEHMAN)
OLD SKOOL CONSERVATIVE!!!
Posted by bleedingheart at 09/12/2008 @ 5:06pm
Only now is Barack just starting to use the word "lies" in his speeches. This is unprecedented and sorely needed to at least fall on the ears of all Americans. Lord knows what they will go with it.
I don't know about you but, when someone lies to me repeatedly, I distance my self from them. I am almost afraid to as my conservative friends if they recognize the plethora of naked lies spewed forth by McCain/Palin? If the answer is yes, then they condone lying. If they condone lying, by definition, I can't trust them. If I can't trust them, I must/I choose to remove myself from them. Don't they see the harm they are causing to relationships and the Grand Old Party by this Godless behavior. One important aspect of evil is facade or lying to protect one's image. Another is seeking to prevent the spiritual growth of another. Strike 2 for these Rovian lemmings, some of which may be my lifelong friends.
It's time to bring the lying elephant out into the room so we can see it for what it is. Let us hope Obama stays on his courageous path of "calling a spade a spade: a lie is a lie. Tell me one, shame on you; tell me two, shame on me.
Posted by rayted32 at 09/12/2008 @ 9:15pm
Barack Obama.....
The epitome of honesty and integrity....
"Yeah, I sat in Rev.Wright's congregation for 20 years but I never heard him say anything racist or anti-american. And even if I did, I didn't agree with him."
2007- "I will withdraw troops from Iraq immediately"
2008- "We should concern ourselves with fighting the right war."
Posted by bleedingheart at 09/13/2008 @ 12:49am
#
....Unemployed...
That explains a LOT.
Posted by madlib at 09/10/2008 @ 6:27pm
It does explain whjy you want so m any things from the govt and you want those who make more than you to pay for it...
Posted by JOMAMMA at 09/10/2008 @ 6:54pm
Oops..JOMAMMA didn't do his/her homework. Let's review:
Subprime mortgage crisis. People burned - Those who took out loans for homes. Winners (Those who want & get $$ from the government) Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, Bear Stearns. Those "two big" to fail. Those must be the corporate welfare freeloaders you mean that we have to pay for.
JOMAMMA needs to do a little more research!
Posted by mohave at 09/13/2008 @ 10:58am
WOW! I think dissent is essential for maintaining a democracy, but I just can't phathom anyone believe that the only group of people who could fix all of the problems that the republican party has caused and wants to cause is the republican party.
I realize the democrats haven't done crap since they gained the majority, but at least they stand for the people and not the super rich people who want nothing better than for people to not finish school and join the Army to protect their tax cuts.
The truth about the tax cuts proposed in this election can be found here:
http://alchemytoday.com/obamataxcut/details.html
It seems pretty simple. Right now the democrats seems to want to talk about issues and what they would change while the republicans seems to only want to clouds everyones minds with petty crap like who called who a pig and that a mayor has so much more responsibility thtan a community organizer. The GOP was actually putting down community organizers while the whole theme of their convention was service. Doesn't anybody see how they just want to win regardless of how many lies they have to tell to do it? The lies is how the country got to the shape it is in and McCain and Palin support and have supported the methods used to get here.
Jees! WAKE UP AMERICA! You can't get better results from trying the same thing over and over!
Posted by AverageAmerican at 09/13/2008 @ 12:09pm
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 09/12/2008 @ 4:52pm
The other side of the coin Wolfie is that all those wars generate tremendous income for the US from arms sales.
A lot of the specialised high tech input comes from needs generated by wars like Iraq and Afghanistan. So wars, as with space ventures, helps keep the US at the leading edge of technical innovation. That means export income, which is the best return, on expenditure, as it helps decrease the trade deficit.
I think, from memory, your arms industries employ about 5 million Americans in very well paid jobs.
Infrastructure spending may be one way to employ some of those people but unless the infrastructure can generate (eg road tools) an adequate return on expenditure it is a bit of a money trap in terms of maintaining employment.
So the argument against war is not a monetary or an economic one because wars are good for American jobs and export income and can only be based on moral or pacifist grounds.
Posted by lrjones4 at 09/13/2008 @ 8:51pm
Incidentally here's a piece from the WSJ, admittedly a bit partisan but if your state is a bit stuffed you can choose a prosperous McCain style economics state or feeling you are too rich choose a less prosperous Obama style economics state. Here's a bit to give you itchy feet if you are in an Obama state or likely to live in an Obama America.
"Mr. Obama would stimulate the economy by increasing federal spending. Mr. McCain would stimulate the economy by cutting the corporate tax rate. Mr. Obama would expand unionism by denying workers the right to a secret ballot on the decision to form a union, and would dramatically increase the minimum wage. Mr. Obama would also expand the role of government in the economy, and stop reforms in areas like tort abuse.
The states have already tested the McCain and Obama programs, and the results are clear. We now face a national choice to determine if everything that has failed the families of Michigan, Ohio and Illinois will be imposed on a grander scale across the nation. In an appropriate twist of fate, Michigan and Ohio, the two states that have suffered the most from the policies that Mr. Obama proposes, have it within their power not only to reverse their own misfortunes but to spare the nation from a similar fate."
http://tinyurl.com/3e7fn3
Posted by lrjones4 at 09/14/2008 @ 02:12am
Posted by lrjones4 at 09/14/2008 @ 02:12am |
If John McCain were running for president at least some of this WSJ "Rupert Spew" might be true, but John McCain isn't running for president. The pathetic old guy who let George Bush savage him and then HUG AND KISS him is running.(If McCain were a victim of domestic abuse we would be planning an intervention at this point because he is so clearly in denial).
I'm less concerned about what Obama MIGHT do than what McCain and his snuggle buddy George HAVE ALREADY DONE. Another four years? Thanks, but no thanks.
Posted by Pogge at 09/14/2008 @ 2:31pm
used to be you could trust the wsj for good and fair reporting. but since that jackass gained control, wsj is about as reliable for unbiased news as fox news. oh wait, the same jackass owns both. i live in michigan, and the one thing i have noticed in my 41 yrs here, is the republican party policies have decimated this state. when slick willie was in office, michigan prospered. out goes slick willie, back in the toilet we go. come to think of it, it was pretty bad under ronnie too. i come from a long line of republicans, and am tired of the party being taken over by extremists and the rich. voting for obama, and looking forward to a tax break.
Posted by jdp24 at 09/14/2008 @ 3:10pm
Why isn't the truth about McCain relevant...or reality in general? Obama's whole attack on McCain comes from McCain himself. I posted this earlier, and none of the whack jobs who defend MCPAIN here ever seem brave enough to WATCH MCCAIN DAMN HIMSELF. When The View is the hardest hitting journalism happening right now, the "Mainstream Media" should be seriously ashamed. And that's meant as no offence to the women of The View, it's a compliment to them for not being as easily led as the rest of the majority of the current Media. WHO CARES SHE'S A WOMAN WHO CAN SEE RUSSIA AND GUT A MOOSE?! ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!
--- ON MAYORS BEING "QUALIFIED" http://tinyurl.com/3mcytu
"I am prepared. I need no on-the-job training. I wasn't a mayor for a short period of time. I wasn't a governor for a short period of time." -McCain
I know the topic is taxes, but since reality doesn't seem to matter here...I thought I'd reintroduce some. Reality meet MCPAIN people, MCPAIN people...reality.
MCCAIN VIDS ON YOUTUBE ARE HILARIOUS BECAUSE THEY ARE HIS OWN MOUTH AND NOT TRUMPED UP BULLSHIT!!!!
Constantly mistaking the world…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLlhySRRL8Y&feature=related
McCain was for Abortion before he was against it...
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video John-McCain:-Reformed-Maverick
This is one of my favorite examples of McCain on women's rights.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuseewBhzj0
And on rape victims, and Chelsea, killing Iranians, the fun never stops...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPnfnB7fRek
MCCAIN DOESN'T WANT YOU TO SEE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-w1_nliQqs&feature=related
RACISM-
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/10086
POW-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZv4aU998ik&feature=related
Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/14/2008 @ 4:22pm
When this post started a few days ago I admitted I was unemployed knowing that it would be the first thing attacked by the kind of people backing MCPAIN. Never-mind the facts that I'm actually just between contracts which is typical in my business and my line of work. I'm automatically seized upon as some sort of welfare case. Never even caring what the truth would actually be, let's attack first and worry about the truth if we win. "That explains a LOT." The kind of people that only care to win facts be damned are the kind of people America allowed to lead the last 8 years. I guess being a glutton for punishment for 8 years wasn't enough, let's go for 12, 16, hell "why not a 100?"
McCain is no longer a man deserving of the office he seeks. Those who follow him are only accepting that we as Americans must hate each other. McCain's own ambition to just BE President has revealed him to be a truly despicable human being. If Obama had made one of the remarks McCain gets to "joke" about, Obama would be out of politics. But because Obama only has one white parent, America seems to accept the obvious double standard on full display. In America it seems McCain, an angry old white man can do no wrong, and Obama, a hopeful younger half-black man can do no right. "That explains a LOT."
Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/14/2008 @ 4:35pm
BTW, I will continue to use the tag CanWeQuestionPalin? until she sits down on Meet the Press, or even The View like McCain said she might. Or hell 10 minutes in a press conference. Sean Hannity? Come on.
Charlie didn't NEARLY go far enough and accepted complete none answers. And yet somehow he was still "picking on her."
"I can see Russia..."
It is as laughable as it is terrifying. It should really only be laughable.
Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/14/2008 @ 4:43pm
It is as laughable as it is terrifying. It should really only be laughable.
Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/14/2008 @ 4:43pm
Perhaps you are the one with a problem rather than the millions of Americans who have fallen in love with the Palin persona. Ever heard of paranoia?
Discuss the policy differences rather than wasting our time with all those silly little paste-ups, no doubt from equally paranoid political junkies, and you may just find it to be so therapeutic that you can laugh again without being terrified. That's the sort of change you need to believe in.
Posted by lrjones4 at 09/14/2008 @ 5:19pm
Posted by jdp24 at 09/14/2008 @ 3:10pm | warn this person
If you check back, I just returned from the UP and many peaceful days just watching the big ships head across Whitefish Bay for the Big Lake. We love it so.
Cheeseheads covet the UP since clearly the idiots who drew the map didn't realize it wasn't even connected to "the mitten". It shoulda been ours, eh.
You are right, the Yooper economy is so bad it's scary. I'm not sure it can survive four years of the Bush clones either.Breaks my heart. They are so nice they darn near ARE Canadian.
Posted by Pogge at 09/14/2008 @ 8:40pm
Well, of course if the Democrats win majorities in the house and senate and Obama is elected president, taxes are going up. There is no other alternative. The big-money people have invested heavily in both campaigns and they will call those chips in after the dust settles. This is going to be like the Democrats caving in on the war and impeachment issues as soon as they were sworn in. All those politicians know which side their bread is buttered on, and they are fully capable of coming up with excuses. (I can hear it now, "Well, yes we promised, but when we did, we didn't know how bad things really were. . . .")
Get ready to whip out your wallet! This will be the new mantra
What did you make? What did you spend? What have you left? Mail it in!
Posted by jsens at 09/15/2008 @ 4:30pm
The Obama campaign's 'Change', as we all know, is what taxpayers will have left of their income after Obama's tax hike. Obamabots love to tell you that most Americans won't see a tax increase, what they don't tell you is most of these people who 'wont see their taxes raised' don't pay any taxes NOW. By the time Obama's tax hikes on 'the rich' get filtered down the rest of us, we'll all be paying more, just to different people. The biggest shell game in history, all designed to make us poorer.
Posted by pontificus at 09/15/2008 @ 9:39pm
"Perhaps you are the one with a problem rather than the millions of Americans who have fallen in love with the Palin persona. Ever heard of paranoia?"
Posted by lrjones4 at 09/14/2008 @ 5:19pm | ignore this person
Americans fall in love with puppies and 4 years old girls who can't sing too.
Have we become a purely "American Idol" society? My God, people who have dumped on Obama for things he has said in those things called "interviews" for 20 months or more, have instantly shut off their brains when presented with a pretty smile. She has given one interview where she couldn't even remember her book-report. Palin continues to lie through her teeth and it's still the same speech! Holy shit! If enough American's have become dumb enough to fall for this bullshit then we deserve what MCPAIN will bring!
And yeah I'm paranoid! Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't morons! Asking legitimate questions of those who have the desire to lead us is the most patriotic thing we can do.
Signed,
Paranoid American
Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/16/2008 @ 5:21pm