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RedditMore than 100 governments, including virtually all major NATO allies, will gather in Dublin, Ireland to negotiate a global treaty banning cluster bombs on May 19. One important country will be missing however: the United States, which is actively working to undermine the proposed treaty overseas and which has used cluster bombs in the last ten years in civilian-populated areas of the former Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Iraq.
Meanwhile, at home the Pentagon is lobbying to prevent passage of the Cluster Munitions Civilian Protection Act. Introduced by Senators Patrick Leahy, Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Mikulski and co-sponsored by eighteen other Senators (though neither Obama nor Clinton), the act states that "Cluster munitions will not be used where civilians are known to be present or in areas normally inhabited by civilians." We wouldn't want to tie our hands, now.
The YouTube video below shows Lynn Bradach bravely telling the story of her son, Travis Bradach-Nall, who was killed by a US cluster submunition while serving in Iraq. Her sorrow helps makes clear why cluster bombs should be banned.
One of the saddest realities about cluster bombs is how many children they kill--Children between the ages of 5 to 15 have accounted for almost half of the world's cluster bomb casualties--because kids are drawn to unexploded cluster submunitions thinking that they are toys.
Because no mother should have to ever lose her child to such terror, a coalition of groups, led by the Friends Committee on National Legislation is sponsoring a national Day after Mother's Day Cluster Bomb call-in this Monday, May 12. Click here to help send a message to the rest of the world that most Americans stand with the goal of preventing harm to children and others from cluster bombs.
Uh-oh, PETER....
LVLIBERTY, our resident CB manufacturer, not going to like this!
Posted by Mask at 05/09/2008 @ 12:32pm
Yes, I know LL's problems with children are well-documented so we'll just have to hope for the best.
Posted by Peter Rothberg at 05/09/2008 @ 12:35pm
here comes pastor kluster......
c'mon brother, tell us how cluster bombs are good for us.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/09/2008 @ 12:36pm
my frikkin' <i>canada pension plan</i> invests in assholes like these.
help!
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/09/2008 @ 12:37pm
Jesus was a strong proponent of cluster bombs. that is why he was know as the prince of never ending war. Liverty can supply chapter and verse.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/09/2008 @ 12:38pm
known...
Posted by emile duBois at 05/09/2008 @ 12:39pm
Posted by Peter Rothberg at 05/9/2008
Hahahaha nice come back.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/09/2008 @ 12:39pm
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/977826.html
Last update - 23:12 24/04/2008
Cluster bomb left from 2006 war wounds 4 children in S. Lebanon
By The Associated Press
A state-run Lebanese news agency has said that an explosion of a cluster bomb left behind by the Israel Defense Forces from the Second Lebanon War wounded four young Lebanese in the country's south.
The report says that Friday's incident occurred in the village of Adsheet when the four children, aged between 10 and 15, found the suspicious device and held it before it went off. The four were then taken to hospital in the southern province of Nabatiyeh.
Lebanon has a huge problem with bombs left behind during the 2006 war. Twenty-seven civilians have been killed and 209 wounded since. UN and human rights groups say Israel dropped about 4 million cluster bomblets during the war. One million failed to explode and now endanger civilians.
Friday, May 9, 2008 12:46:58 PM
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/09/2008 @ 12:41pm
1 million duds/4 million dropped = 25% failure.
someone please tell me this isn't true.
someone, someone please tell me that
the
new
safe
modern
extracool
clusterbombs
have a dud rate of 3.7%
tell me.
tell me.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/09/2008 @ 12:45pm
US <b><i>MAY</i></b> ban sale of cluster bombs to Israel
By Patrick Cockburn in Nabatiyeh, south Lebanon
Wednesday, 20 September 2006
The US State Department is investigating Israel's use of American-made cluster bombs during the war in Lebanon. In particular, whether or not Israel broke a secret agreement with the United States not to use cluster bombs against civilians.
‘‘‘‘‘oooh, those secret agreements!!!!!
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/09/2008 @ 12:48pm
The bomb was the size of a small torpedo. There are letters scrawled in Hebrew on the metal but most of the writing is in English; it says CBU [Cluster Bomb Unit] - 58B and "US Air Force". The manufacturer is identified as Lanson Industries. There are a number of cryptic code numbers reading "Part No 7127151/22290" and "FSN 1325-758-0417" and contract no F42600-72-2676. The bomb was made before the Vietnam War had ended, because there is a marking showing that its warranty ended on 7 February 1974. There is no indication of when the cluster bomb was transferred from the US to Israel.
ΏΏΏΏΏwarranty?????
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/09/2008 @ 12:49pm
Israel probably violated the terms of its arms deals with Washington by using US-made cluster bombs in Lebanon last year, a US government report says.
<i>probably</i>
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/09/2008 @ 12:51pm
"Congress will now consider the report before deciding whether to take any further action against Israel."
oh well, so much for that one.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/09/2008 @ 12:52pm
it is well known that the US has what are called smart bombs. we are now working on compassionate bombs. when they spot a civilian child in the target area, they turn around and explode harmlessly in some desert or ocean.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/09/2008 @ 12:52pm
ZAWTAR WEST, 22 January 2008 (IRIN) - Deminers clearing Israeli-dropped cluster bombs in south Lebanon are turning up an average of 10 new sites per month, while Israel continues to ignore requests for data that would assist clearing the estimated one million unexploded bomblets, which continue to kill and maim civilians and decimate rural livelihoods. A single cluster bomb can disperse hundreds of bomblets.
[Read this report in Arabic]
"All these weapons systems are computerised and grid references are entered before the bombs drop. Not receiving the cluster bomb strike data from the Israelis remains our biggest obstacle to clearance," Dalya Farran, a spokeswoman for the UN Mine Action Coordination Centre for South Lebanon (MACSL), told IRIN.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/09/2008 @ 12:54pm
A December 2006 report by the UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) initially found around one quarter of all farmland had been infected, though the UN now estimates the figure is higher, and that nearly US$100 million in crops had been lost, along with 20,000 livestock.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/09/2008 @ 12:55pm
Cluster bombs are being offered for sale at an arms fair in London, The Independent has discovered, despite assurances by the organisers, that the weapon would not be marketed at the event. Denel, the South African company, confirmed yesterday at the show being held at the Excel Centre in Docklands, that it made and supplied the cluster weapons.
<i>love for sale.....
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/09/2008 @ 1:02pm
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/ 26/travel/main2855606.shtml?source= RSSattr=HOME_2855606
CBS News: SURF CITY, N.J., 26 May, 2006
'...Many of the beach towns on Long Beach Island, one of New Jersey's most popular summer vacation spots, have laws prohibiting people from digging deeper than 12 inches in the sand. They stem from an accident several years ago in which a teenager died when a deep hole he was digging collapsed, burying him. This year, the prohibition is for a different reason: More than 1,000 pieces of unexploded World War I-era military munitions were unwittingly pumped ashore during a winter beach replenishment project decades after being dumped at sea. Authorities say they've removed everything they could, but can't guarantee more munitions don't remain hidden. "How can you tell a kid not to dig in the sand?" asked Faith O'Dell, who lives near the beach in Surf City, where most of the fuses were found. "It's their nature, it's what kids do. And when your kid says, `Why, Mommy, why can't I dig in the sand?' what do you tell them, that they could blow themselves up?"...'
Posted by HonestLiberal at 05/09/2008 @ 1:36pm
euler,
a point may be a point.
however,
i am now officially declaring you an asshole.
sorry for any inconvenience.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/09/2008 @ 1:42pm
Posted by Euler at 05/9/2008
(as sung on Dora the Explorer)
"I'm a grumpy old troll, who lives under the bridge! I'm a grumpy old troll, who lives under the briiiiddddggge...."
Posted by Benchrest at 05/09/2008 @ 1:50pm
Well now, them furrin kids grow up to be insurgents, go-rillas, etc. And so they must be taken out now. Remember 100 years?
Posted by Sorelish at 05/09/2008 @ 2:47pm
Posted by Benchrest at 05/9/2008 |
Maybe we can get Boots and Bennie the Bull to check EULER's voter registration card....
I'm starting to have some suspicions!
Posted by Mask at 05/09/2008 @ 3:33pm
Posted by Mask at 05/9/2008
Well, he's definitely not a M.O.P.E., because he doesn't pander to anyone. I think he is a J.E.R.K., which stands for Jerk.
Posted by Benchrest at 05/09/2008 @ 3:44pm
Hey, cluster bombs don't kill children, people dropping cluster bombs kill children!! Think I've heard something like that somewhere before....
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 05/09/2008 @ 3:57pm
it is well known that the US has what are called smart bombs. we are now working on compassionate bombs. when they spot a civilian child in the target area, they turn around and explode harmlessly in some desert or ocean.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/9/2008 |
Yep, it's that or our surgical strike weapons which can blow up an entire city block and not even move a single hair on the head of a child standing 180 degrees away from the intended explosion.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 05/09/2008 @ 4:01pm
sorry, meatnt to say standing next to the explosion, but 180 degrees away from the intended explosion area.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 05/09/2008 @ 4:19pm
Yes, I know LL's problems with children are well-documented so we'll just have to hope for the best.
Posted by Peter Rothberg at 05/9/2008
Peter a truly malicious and without foundation lie on your part. Kindly cite where I have ever stated I have a problem with children?
What all of you continue to ignore is that all weapons of war are basically barbaric. They are intended to kill. Cluster bombs don't target children any more than an M-16 does.
I've also shared before that using cluster bombs in civilian areas and especially urban areas is just not done by our military. The primary reason being that the military doesn't like to waste ordnance on targets where it isn't effective. Cluster bombs are designed to be used against convoys and other troop movements.
The unexploded duds that unfortunately have led to the deaths of civilians and especially children are a tragic consequence of war and not specifically the targets of war. Every child that dies is a tragedy, whether in war or not.
But cluster bombs have a definite purpose. That purpose is to inflict damage on the enemy while reducing the risk to our own military personnel. Given that difficult choice, I would rather continue to reduce the possibility of increased risk to our own troops.
As to the tragic loss of this woman's son. I'm sorry for her loss. However, having done cb clearing and inspection, I know that most injuries and fatalities come from not operating according to the safety standards.
BTW. added note on the CB referenced by someone from the Irsaeli/Hezbollah conflict. That weapon was a Rockeye bomblet. The design goes back to Vietnam. We stopped making those in 1992. We sold the mfg capability to Canada ( I was a VP in the company that sold it, and in charge of the program).
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/09/2008 @ 4:33pm
I've also shared before that using cluster bombs in civilian areas and especially urban areas is just not done by our military. The primary reason being that the military doesn't like to waste ordnance on targets where it isn't effective. Cluster bombs are designed to be used against convoys and other troop movements.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/9/2008
Liv,
Ever heard of World War II? Ever heard about the bombing raids we did on Germany in WWII? Like hell the U.S. hasn't dropped bombs on civilian targets.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 05/09/2008 @ 4:40pm
By contrast, the poverty-stricken African republic of Burkina Faso is listed as donating more than $600,000, and Bangladesh, perennial home of many of the world's hungriest people, is listed as donating nearly $5.8 million.
George Russell is executive editor of FOX News.
Posted by HAPPY3 at 05/9/2008
I still maintain that the U.S. should stop food shipments to all OPEC countries and blockade their oil shipments as well. Maybe even "accidentally" torpedo a few of their oil shipments going elsewhere.
Let them starve for a while and cut off their income. If the U.S., China, India and Europe all got on the same page on this thing and shoved this back up the OPEC nations asses, oil prices would drop pronto.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 05/09/2008 @ 4:48pm
I thought I'd better elaborate on my last post before I get hammered from all sides.
The U.S. needs to get away from using fossil fuels and come up with mass public transportation. But, letting these OPEC nations drive oil to the prices it's at is driving food prices up and people in poor countries are starving to death as a result.
I think all civilized nations should return the favor to the greedy, bloodsucking OPEC nations.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 05/09/2008 @ 4:58pm
The unexploded duds that unfortunately have led to the deaths of civilians and especially children are a tragic consequence of war and not specifically the targets of war.
~~~~~~~~~~~
i think in lebanon,
that was the specific intention.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/09/2008 @ 5:06pm
However, having done cb clearing and inspection, I know that most injuries and fatalities come from not operating according to the safety standards.
~~~~~~~~
you mean
using a horse and plow?
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/09/2008 @ 5:08pm
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 05/9/2008 | ignore this person
you're foaming at the mouth.
here's the thing. oil is paid for with dollars. the value of the dollar has plunged. so they are getting less and less for their oil, which is all many of them have. of course they raise the price, so would you.
you've got to stop puffing yourself up with the tough talk.
some Opec countries are our very good friends, like Canada and Mexico.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/09/2008 @ 5:30pm
Kindly cite where I have ever stated I have a problem with children?-----Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/9/2008
Okay......
"The unexploded duds that unfortunately have led to the deaths of civilians and children are a tragic consequence of war and not specifically the targets of war. Every child that dies is a tragedy, whether in war or not.
But cluster bombs have a definite purpose."------Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/9/2008
Posted by Mask at 05/09/2008 @ 5:38pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/9/200
Then I showed you proof that they HAVE been used in urban areas proving your theory wrong.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/09/2008 @ 5:42pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/9/200
Maybe the old cluster bombs weren't good in urban areas but the news one are. I have seen versions that can penetrate tank armor so they would have no problem going through concrete.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/09/2008 @ 5:44pm
and Norway too.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/09/2008 @ 6:07pm
Kindly cite where I have ever stated I have a problem with children?-----Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/9/2008
Okay......
"The unexploded duds that unfortunately have led to the deaths of civilians and children are a tragic consequence of war and not specifically the targets of war. Every child that dies is a tragedy, whether in war or not.
But cluster bombs have a definite purpose."------Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/9/2008
Posted by Mask at 05/9/2008
That's nonsense Mask. How does that indicate I have a problem with children?
If I say that sometimes war is necessary and that innocents die in wars that then is a conclusion that I have a problem with children?
It that is your logic, then you people truly are nuts.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/09/2008 @ 6:44pm
Maybe the old cluster bombs weren't good in urban areas but the news one are. I have seen versions that can penetrate tank armor so they would have no problem going through concrete.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/9/2008
But again, that would be a poor tactical decision, not too mention an inefficient use of a weapon. Better to use a 500 pound bomb which costs 1/2 as much and is more effective in that environment.
Just because a weapon could work in a circumstance, even if at a lower effectiveness does not mean anyone would deliberately make such a poor decision as to use in in that case.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/09/2008 @ 6:55pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/9/2008
Sorry, spell it out for you....
your "unexploded duds" and "tragic consequence of war" combined with "but cluster bombs have their uses" rationale.
See, you DON'T CARE ...not that much anyway...all you care about is making sure them bad guys get clustered and if...."sad, but c'est la guerre" some kids get their hands, feet, or heads blown off....
well, you're thinking of the BIG picture and despite limited tactical use....you MUST have CBs and "regretably" accept the "collateral damage" (aka "children").
Maybe some LITERAL translation of ...
"SUFFER the little children"????
Posted by Mask at 05/09/2008 @ 7:37pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/9/2008
Problem is they HAVE LV. You can keep denying it but the proof is all over. I have showed it to you before when we discussed this topic. The reason you use a cluster bomb in an urban neighborhood rather than a 500 pounder is if you want to hit targets without saying that you decimated an entire neighborhood. They wanted to bomb troops on the ground without completely wiping out the neighborhood so they drop a cluster bomb. This is just me hypothesizing. Either way. The proof is there. Whether you think it is tactically intelligent is irrelevant because it is done. Women, children, old people and male civilians have been killed by them in urban settings.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/09/2008 @ 8:40pm
DEAR left-wing, far-left, progressive liberal communist wackos,
enemy aiding 'n abetting unAmerican unpatriotic socialists,
amoral lowlife pro-sodomite-homo, wimp, faggot, subhuman filth,
godless, flip-flopping, tax-loving, big-spending, terrorist-catering, Muslim-licking ineffectual hand-out seekin' parasites,
snobby, elite, windsurfing, pipe puffin', hobnobbin' highbrows,
drugged up, hysterical, bitchy moanin' groanin' welfare queenies,
haters of freedom, haters of heroes, haters of personal responsibility, <b>
the godless deity of Burma will dance in delight at your demise
Posted by winyahn at 05/09/2008 @ 10:44pm
some Opec countries are our very good friends, like Canada and Mexico.
Posted by emile duBois
uh, canada?
mexico?
opec?
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 @ 12:01am
Better to use a 500 pound bomb which costs 1/2 as much and is more effective in that environment.
by lvliberty
why not use a 17,453,657,889,564,567,344,567,897,345,768,989,567,898,572,343,167,468,2 54,982 pounder
an' wipe out all them towelheads together.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 @ 12:04am
hey lvliberty,
what's your position on the use of willy pete to sizzle out them bad guys?
Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:12:59 AM
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 @ 12:07am
hey lvliberty,
did you make bombs for saddam?
7) The US gave practical help to Saddam during the Iran-Iraq War:
' As former National Security Council staffer Howard Teicher affirmed, "Pursuant to the secret NSDD [National Security Directive], the United States actively supported the Iraqi war effort by supplying the Iraqis with billions of dollars of credits, by providing US military intelligence and advice to the Iraqis, and by closely monitoring third country arms sales to Iraq to make sure that Iraq had the military weaponry required." The requisite weaponry included cluster bombs. . . '
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 @ 12:14am
Well, as I argued with FROSTY....cluster bombs in and of themselves are not "evil". It is perfectly possible to deploy them against massed troop formations with no civilians present, or even as a "blocking" attack to prevent an advance.
As for LVLIB's participation in the building of them, again, no harm no foul....UNLESS he were a professed Quaker and/or pacifist.
Posted by Mask at 01/24/2008
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 @ 12:26am
And I will not put myself at odds with Jesus who does sanction war and the death penalty against evil.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 01/25/2008
take 'em down, messiah!
Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:38:55 AM
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 @ 12:33am
Well at least y'all called it. LVL defended the indefensible. I would think he was a defence attorney specialising in the worst of the worst but unfortunately he can't follow a pattern of logic or see its opposite so I'm certain he has no legal training. I also disagree with the specific weapons ban effectiveness theory, witness the ban on landmine usage virtually disappearing around the world.
On an aside, kudos to the new text box!
Posted by yutsano at 05/10/2008 @ 01:24am
And I will not put myself at odds with Jesus who does sanction war and the death penalty against evil.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 01/25/2008
get thee behind me, satanic preacher. you are no Christian, you are evil personified.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/10/2008 @ 11:27am
some Opec countries are our very good friends, like Canada and Mexico.
Posted by emile duBois
uh, canada?
mexico?
opec?
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 | ignore this person
MY MISTAKE. thanks for pointing it out to me.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/10/2008 @ 11:29am
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008
FROSTY, I believe I was defending the idea that LVLIB couldn't be a Christian and still work on weapons, from a theological stand-point (aka Augustine's "just war" concept)....not a defense of his "bomb da bastards and send a sympathy card to the moms of the kids who get caught in the cross-fire" insensitivity.
Frankly, if LVLIB were his "blood n' guts" side ALONE, and not trying to sound like the "caring Christian" too, he's have a firmer, if un-appealing ground to stand on.
But, the same applies to you...
You've said you're no abject pacifist....so where do YOU draw the line? No bombs at all?...100% positive no civilians are near the target area?...what?
Posted by Mask at 05/10/2008 @ 11:34am
Yeah, just confirmed it......ignoring FZ drops the count by 20!!!!! :~))))
Posted by HAPPY3
and lowers blood preasure, too.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 @ 1:12pm
Mask,
let's just say i haven't been in a fight since i was eleven.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 @ 1:14pm
btw
i agree more with your current assessment of lvlib's attitude than before.
i just remembered what you had said before and it seemed 37.9% incongruent.
btw btw since the blog is now on one page, ALL past posts are searchable through google, not just page one as in the past.
spring rules!
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 @ 1:16pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 |
Well, I'm interested in where your line is drawn, FZ.
I mean you and I agree (from slightly diff angles) on LVLIB. After all, this is a guy who advocated nuclear bombardment of China as a means of "winning" the Korean War and "think Dresden" as a means of "winning" the War on Terror.
But if you're total pacifist, we part ways.
The old line (used in the film of his life) by Gandhi that "using pacifism and civil disobediance to fight Hitler and the Japanese would cost lives, but lives are being lost fighting them" was (and is) hopeless naive.
Hitler landing troops in India would have taken Gandhi and pretty much anybody who followed him, lined them up on a wall and shot them Day One, Hour One.
"They couldn't shoot EVERYBODY"?....Sure they could. Wiped out 6 million Jews and found replacements for them at the universities, banks, stores, etc., etc.
So...'fraid I go with Orwell on pacifism...
"PACIFIST. Those who "abjure" violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf."
Posted by Mask at 05/10/2008 @ 1:30pm
I had to surrender my pacifist credentials when I agreed with the Afghanistan intervention. Plus I still think the military is an honorable profession that can change a poor kid's life for the better. It's like any tool, the application is what matters. And when you give that tool to a man with the emotional maturity of a third grader, the result is reckless wars like Iraq.
I'm wandering off course a bit, since in an asymmetrical battlefield cluster bombs are not a strategic option, why bother keeping them?
Posted by yutsano at 05/10/2008 @ 1:52pm
Posted by Mask
if you mess with me because you are stupid,
i will obviously try to incapacitate you using the minimum force necessary. i may even kick you in the scrotum.
i'm not naive
(where are the frikkin' accents on a windows' keyboard?!?!?)
and i know people are easily drawn to their evil side.
i just wish humans would grow up.
but hey, what can you expect from an animal that considers the most graphically violent nonsense
entertainment?
greedy, pathetic humans.
i'm seriously considering loading up the jupiter 2 and heading out to alpha centauri.
maybe there i can find some more evolved lifeforms.
2:41
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 @ 2:42pm
Peace -- something humans are too stupid to obtain.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 @ 2:44pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 | ignore this person
you have flipped your lid.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/10/2008 @ 3:07pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008
Just a philosophy discussion, FROS.
If "them" (Nazis, Jihadists, Klingons, etc.) were landing on the beaches of New Brunswick and Newfoundland....
would you take up a gun and a green coverall with a Maple Leaf on it and hop on a truck moving eastwards?
Posted by Mask at 05/10/2008 @ 3:12pm
How do you know he's not already in the Maritimes? ;)
Posted by yutsano at 05/10/2008 @ 4:07pm
We don't drop bombs on civilians??? EXCUSE ME???!!!!
How fucking delusional and insane are you...
Posted by madlib at 05/10/2008 @ 5:05pm
Two moose once stopped our bus along the St. John River in N.B. They were angry & held us up quite awhile. Don't remember if the driver turned off the motor or not. Hannibal used elephants. Could the Canadians use moose?
Posted by Sorelish at 05/10/2008 @ 5:11pm
Sorry, wrong blog.
Posted by Sorelish at 05/10/2008 @ 5:15pm
Posted by Mask
and i gave you a philostophical answer.
i have not flipped my lid, ed junior.
i fully understand the meaning of insurgency if wmds were happened to be found in alberta, say.
i do, however, presently choose to brush away the mosquito instead of squishing it because my karma needs all the help it can get.
i'm just frustrated that humans still spend so much time (and precious, precious energy) debating things that so obviously make life worse for everybody.
c'mon bonobos, let's evolve a little.
btw yuts, god's got his summer home on cape breton island.
Saturday, May 10, 2008 5:42:57 PM
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 @ 5:37pm
Froz, that's Hallmark philosophy.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/10/2008 @ 6:34pm
bushco says the world will use such to stick it to the USA, but looks to me (and the world) like our real intention is to commit war crimes and not get called down for such.
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/9/2008
The UN Human Rights Council (I'm going to get a lot of the exact terminology wrong, but the point doesn't change) has issue 13 condemnations.
Only 13? Well, let's see if we can figure out who got them. I would guess the leading contenders are China, Libya, Burma, Cuba, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Darfur, Yugoslavia, Zimbabwe, Sudan, South Africa, Iran, Sri Lanka, Russia (Chechnya), Pakistan, Indonesia
Oops that's more than 13. Now get ready for the shocker (NOT).
Twelve of the thirteen condemnations have been directed at Israel.
And we're supposed to believe that this treaty is some "good faith" effort to protect the children? I don't thinks so.
Posted by marybretbrad at 05/10/2008 @ 7:55pm
Posted by marybretbrad at 05/10/2008 |
Darin, we're you just using U.N. resolutions as a reason that we had to invade a country that never attacked us, lose 4000+ GIs, and spend 3/4ths of a TRILLION dollars (on a credit card) a few days back?
Posted by Mask at 05/10/2008 @ 8:07pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008
I hate to agree with "Professor" ROLF, but yeah, it is "Hallmark Philosophy", FROSTY.
Straight up scenario....some vicious Nazi-like army is bearing down on Toronto....and they've already pulled a "Rape of Nanking" on Montreal and you, your wife, and kid are in the cross-hairs....
Do you discuss how we should "evolve" and how "sure would like it if we could move beyond violence" with them....
or do you join Land Force Command, grab an assault rifle, and go out there to atleast TRY to stop them?
Posted by Mask at 05/10/2008 @ 8:11pm
Darin, we're you just using U.N. resolutions as a reason that we had to invade a country that never attacked us, lose 4000+ GIs, and spend 3/4ths of a TRILLION dollars (on a credit card) a few days back?
Posted by Mask at 05/10/2008
Yeah, that was me. 1441 was just enough of a fig leave to make the war internationally legal. One of the very few times we've been able to manipulate the UN to our advantage. We had to do it by lying during the negotiations about triggers and such ("lying for justice" can I get an Amen brother Sharpton?), but it worked. Despite the UN's best efforts to keep a dictator in place who had killed 800,000 Iraqi citizens (because he was bribing them with billions of dollars embezzled from the UN Oil for Food Scandal) We took out his army and captured him and made the new government give him a fair trail and a proper hanging.
Posted by marybretbrad at 05/10/2008 @ 8:21pm
Posted by Mask at 05/10/2008
Whoa, Mask, We're talking about Canada here. Is there an equivalent of the NRA up north advocating the possession of anti-tank guns & howitzers ? Let the gov't get a toehold & they take away your .22 short rifle, after all. How can the Canucks hold off the enemy with old scatter guns & deer rifles?
Posted by Sorelish at 05/10/2008 @ 9:09pm
Froz, that's Hallmark philosophy.
Posted by emile duBois
such a card.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 @ 10:27pm
i'm ready to do some killin'
yee haw.
gimme blood.
stupid humans.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 @ 10:28pm
or do you join Land Force Command, grab an assault rifle, and go out there to atleast TRY to stop them?
Posted by Mask at 05/10/2008
i'll pull out their intestines and eat them.
i'll impale them on rusty pikes and poke out their eyes with electric drills.
i'll cut out their hearts on a band saw.
can i be in your club now?
sheesh.
like i said, i defend myself.
AND I KNOW WHAT I SAY IS NAIVE. OBVIOUSLY.
HUMANS ARE SUCH PATHETIC LITTLE CREATURES. I KNOW WHAT THE REALITY IS.
I DON'T EXPECT ANY CHANGE.
KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL.
peace, fz.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 @ 10:37pm
How can the Canucks hold off the enemy with old scatter guns & deer rifles?
Posted by Sorelish
the iraqis manage.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 @ 10:37pm
How can the Canucks hold off the enemy with old scatter guns & deer rifles?
Posted by Sorelish
the iraqis manage.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 @ 10:37pm
Ricardo & Jones live! and thousands of descendants?
oh my god, its sat. night. Oh well, i'm married.
Posted by Sorelish at 05/10/2008 @ 10:42pm
you know mask,
i would even defend YOUR house.
it'd be just like a hollywood movie.
i'd even help out professor snobbles.
Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:59:18 PM
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 @ 10:54pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008
What would be really neat, would be the occupation afterwards. Imagine trading chocolate bars & cigarettes for rare stamps. Making lifelong friends. Maybe leaving behind a descendant or two. Oh, for the good old days.
Posted by Sorelish at 05/10/2008 @ 11:01pm
Froz, that's Hallmark philosophy.
Posted by emile duBois
100 Years War, 1337-1453 1812, War of 1848, Revolutions of 30 Years War, 1618-48 6 Day War, 1967 7 Years War, 1755-63 9/11 (2001) Abyssinia, see Ethiopia Aden, see Yemen Afghanistan Maratha-Afghan War, 1760-61 Civil War, 1919 Civil War, 1924 Soviet War and after, 1979-2002 American War, 2001- African Diaspora Eastern Slave Trade, 1500-1850 Western Slave Trade, 1500-1850 Sainte-Domingue, 1791-1803 US Reconstruction, 1865-76 US Lynchings, 1900-50 US Racism, 1900-70 AIDS (for comparison) Air Raids Spanish Civil War WW2 by Allies: Berlin, Dresden, Hamburg, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo by Germans: Belgrade, London, Stalingrad By Japanese: China, Pearl Harbor Vietnam War Soviet-Afghan War Gulf War Kosovo Sept. 11 Albania & Albanians Second World War, 1939-45 Communist Regime, 1948-89 Civil War, 1997 Kosovo, 1998-99 Macedonia, 2001 Alexander the Great, 336-323 BCE Algeria French Conquest, 1839-47 Setif, 1945 War of Independence, 1954-62 Fundamentalist Moslem uprising, 1992 et seq. America, see United States American Indians, see Indians, American Amin, Idi, r. 1971-79 Amritsar Massacre 1919 1982 Anglo-Boer War, 1899-1902 Angola Colonial labor, 1900-25 War of Independence, 1961-75 Civil War, 1975-94 Apartheid Rhodesia, 1972-79 South Africa, 1948-93 Arabs Algeria, 1954-62 Arab Outbreak, 7th Century CE Arab-Israeli Wars, 1947-73 Crusades, 1095-1291 Gulf War, 1990-91 Iraqi Shiites, 1991-92 Iran-Iraq War, 1980-88 Jordan, 1970-71 Lebanon, 1975-92 Palestine, Revolt 1936-39 Saddam Hussein, 1979-2003 Slave Trade, 1500-1850 Sudan, 1955-72 Sudan, 1983- Wahhabis, 1790s-1800s Yemen, 1962-69 Zanzibar, 1964 Argentina Overthrow of Peron, 1955 Military Govt., 1976-83 Falkland War, 1982 Armenia Genocide, 1906-23 Trebizond Bitlis Nagorno-Karabakh, 1991 et seq. Massacres, 1895-96 Arras, 2nd Battle of Assad, Hafez al-, 1971-2000 Atlantic, Battle of the Auschwitz Australia Aborigines, 1788-1921 South African War, 1899-1902 First World War, 1914-18 Gallipoli Second World War, 1939-45 North Africa SE Asia Korean War, 1950-53 Vietnam War, 1965-72 Austria Thirty Years War, 1618-48 Habsburg-Ottoman War, 1682-99 Venetian-Austro-Turkish War, 1714-18 War of the Quadruple Alliance, 1718-20 War of The Austrian Succession, 1740-48 War of The Spanish Succession, 1701-13 Seven Years War, 1755-63 French Revolutionary Wars, 1792-1802 Napoleonic Wars, 1802-15 Revolutions of 1848 (incl. Hungary) Seven Weeks War, 1866 First World War, 1914-18 Caporetto, Lemberg Fascist vs. Socialist, 1934 Second World War, 1939-45 Holocaust Authorities Azerbaijan, 1991 et seq. Aztecs Babi Yar, 1941 Bagration, Operation Baha'is, 1848-54 Balkan Wars, 1912-13 Bangladesh 1971 massacres Chittagong, 1975 et. seq. Bataan Death March, 1942 Battles 20th Century 16th-19th Centuries Belgian Congo, see Congo - Kinshasa Belgium Congo Free State, 1886-1908 First World War, 1914-18 Frontiers, Battle of the Second World War, 1940-45 Conquest, 1940 Holocaust Korean War, 1950-53 Congo Crisis, 1960-67 Belzec Berlin Battle of, 1945 Air raid, 1945 Berlin Wall Biafra, 1967-70 Bible Esther, Herod Bibliography Bloodiest ____: see Rankings Boat People Cuba, after 1959 Haiti, 1980s Haiti, after 1991 Vietnam, after 1975 Boer War, 1899-1902 Bokassa, Jean Bedel, r. 1965-79 Bolivia Pacific War, 1879-83 Chaco War, 1932-35 Civil War, 1952 Junta, 1971-78 Junta, 1980-81 Bombing, see Air Raids or Terrorism Bosnia and Herzegovina, 1992-95 Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901 Brazil Indians, 1900-1985 Rubber Companies, 1900-1912 Paolistas, 1932 Second World War, 1942-45 Italy Military Regime, 1964-85 Rightist terrorism, 1980 Death Squads, 1985-91 Yanomami Indians, 1987-91 Police killings, 1998-99 War of the Triple Alliance, 1864-70 Canudos, 1897-98 British Empire, see United Kingdom Bulgaria Massacre, 1876 First World War, 1914-18 Second World War, 1941-45 Holocaust Communist Regime, 1948-89 Bulge, Battle of the Burma Saya San, 1930-32 WW2 Burma-Siam RR Burma Campaign Rebellions, 1948 et seq. Unrest, 1988 Burundi, 1959-95 Byzantine Empire Cambodia Civil War, 1965-75 Pol Pot, r. 1975-78 Choeung Ek Civil War, 1978-91 Cameroon, 1960s Canada American Revolution, 1775-1783 First World War, 1914-18 Second World War, 1939-45 Italy NW Europe Normandy Korean War, 1950-53 Capitalism (selected) Amazonian rubber companies, 1900-1912 Congo Free State, 1886-1906 French Equatorial Africa, 1900-40 El Niρo Famines of the 19th C Post-Communist Russia Slave Trade, 1450-1850 (NOTE: This list focuses on atrocities which are largely the direct result of unbridled corporate exploitation. Obviously, many additional conflicts have an underlying economic cause which operates indirectly.) Castro, Fidel, r. 1959- Central African Republic/Empire Bokassa Regime, 1965-79 Kongo-Wara War, 1927-31 Central American Wars (International) 1906 & 1907 1969 Soccer War 1955 1957 Century Total for the 20th Century 19th Century 18th Century Before the 18th Century Chaco War, 1932-35 Chad Civil War, 1965 et seq. Habrι regime, 1982-90 Charlemagne, r.768-814 Succession Chechens Deportations, 1943-57 Revolt, 1994 et seq. Chiang Kai-shek, fl. 1921-48 Chicago Fire, 1871 Gang wars, 1920s Chile Pacific War, 1879-83 Pinochet, 1973-90 China Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901 Revolutionary Era, 1911-14 Wars with Tibet 1912-13 1918 1950 et. seq Warlord Era , 1917-28 Nationalist Era, 1928-37 Manchuria, 1931-33 Sino-Japanese War, 1937-45 Nanking Massacre, 1937-38 Chinese Civil War, 1945-49 Changchun Mao Zedong, 1949-1975 Korean War, 1950-53 Chosin Reservoir Sino-Indian War, 1962 Sino-Soviet War, 1963-69 Sino-Vietnamese War, 1979 Executions, 1983-84 Tienamen Square, 1989 Before the 20th Century Shang China, ca. 1300-1050 BCE An Lushan Revolt, 755 CE Mongol Conquest, 1200s Manchu Conquest, 1616-44 White Lotus, 1796-1805 Taiping Rebellion, 1850-64 Miao, Nien and Moslem Rebellions, 1860-77 Chinese Diaspora (ethnic Chinese living outside China) Batavia, 1740 Cambodia, 1975-79 Indonesia, 1965-67 Malaya, 1948-56 Vietnam, Boat People, after 1975 Christians As perpetrators, generally As victims, generally see also Religious Conflicts or individual nations. Civil War Which one? American Civil War, 1860-65 Chinese Civil War, 1945-49 English Civil War, 1642-46 Russian Civil War, 1917-22 Spanish Civil War, 1936-39 Colombia War of a Thousand Days, 1899-1902 La Violencia, 1946-58 Korean War, 1951-53 Insurgencies, 1973- Colonial Conflicts and Oppression (selected, chronological) Slave Trade, 1450-1850 American Indians, 1492-1900 Batavia, 1740 Australian Aborigines, 1788-1921 Sainte-Domingue, revolt, 1791-1803 South American independence (Spain) Mexico, 1810-21 (Spain) Java, 1825 (Neth.) Algeria, 1839-47 (France) Maori War, 1860-72 (UK) Ten Years War, Cuba, 1868-78 (Spain) Anglo-Zulu War, 1879 Cuban Revolution, 1895-98 (Spain) Sepoy Mutiny, 1857 Congo Free State, 1886-1906 Philippines, 1899-1902 (USA) Boer War, 1899-1902 (British) Forced Labor Dutch colonies, 1900-14 French Equatorial Africa, 1900-40 Portuguese Colonies, 1900-25 Herero, 1904-07 (German) Maji-Maji, 1905-07 (German) Morocco, 1909-10 (Spanish) Libya, 1911-31 (Italian) British India, 1918-38 Morocco, 1921-26 (Spanish, French) Abyssinia, 1935-41 (Italian) Dutch East Indies, 1945-49 French Indochina , 1945-54 Madagascar, 1947 (French) Mau-Mau, 1952-56 (British) Algeria, 1954-62 (French) Portuguese Guinea, 1961-74 Angola, 1961-75 (Portuguese) Portuguese East Africa, 1961-75 (For additional items, see specific colonial nations in this Index) Communism 20th Century Total Selected regimes: Albania Bulgaria Cambodia Choeung Ek Cuba China Mao Zedong Tibet Tienamen Square Czechoslovakia East Germany Ethiopia Hungary Mongolia North Korea North Vietnam Poland Romania Stalin Second World War Gulag, etc.: Kolyma, Kuropaty, Vorkuta, Bykivnia Tito Vietnam Selected conflicts: Afghanistan Cheju Rebellion, Korea, 1948-49 Chinese Civil War 1928-37 1945-49 Cuban Insurgency Finland Greek Civil War Hungarian Uprising Indonesia Korean War Peru Philippines Russian Civil War Vietnam War (For additional items, see specific countries and events in this Index) Congo Congo Major (SKA "Belgian Congo", "Zaire", "Congo-Kinshasa", "Democratic Republic of the C.") Congo Free State, 1886-1908 Congo Crisis, 1960-64 Stanleyville Revolt, 1964-65 Mercenary Uprising, 1967-68 Uprisings and Repression, 1970s Conflicts, 1992-94 Overthrow of Mobutu, 1997 Civil War, 1998-2003 Ituri, 1999- Congo Minor (SKA "French Congo", "Congo-Brazzaville", "People's Republic of the C.") French Equatorial Africa, 1921-32 Kongo-Wara Revolt, 1927-31 Coup, 1997 Costa Rica Civil War, 1948 War with Nicaragua, 1955 Crimean War, 1853-56 Croatia Ustasha, 1940-45 Jasenovac War of Independence, 1991-92 Crusades, 1095-1291 Cuba Revolt, 1912 Batista Regime & Civil War, 1952-59 Castro Regime, 1959 et seq. Angola, 1975-95 Grenada, 1983 Ten Years War, 1868-78 Revolution, 1895-98 Spanish-American War, 1898 Cyprus 1955-59 1963-67 1974 Czechoslovakia Russian Civil War, 1918-20 Second World War, 1938-45 Holocaust Post-WW2 expulsions of Germans, 1945-47 Communist Regime, 1948-89 1968 uprising D-Day Deadliest ____: see Rankings Denmark Schleswig-Holstein War, 1848 Second World War, 1940-45 Holocaust Desaparecidos, 1970s and 80s Argentina Chile El Salvador Guatamala Mexico Uruguay Desert Storm, Operation, 1990-91 Dominican Republic 1937 massacre 1965 coup Doubtful events NOTE: Probably every atrocity statistic is denied, minimized or rejected by someone, but these body counts are even more widely doubted than most: Ancient statistics in general Barbarian invasions of Byzantine Europe under Justinian. Clinton body count Systematic abuse of German POWs by Americans after WW2 Atrocities by Americans against N. Korean civilians at Sinchon Unlikely religious conflicts Yellow Tiger, China, d.1647 Dracula Dresden, 1945 Dutch, see Netherlands Duvalier, Papa Doc, 1957-71 Earthquakes Collectively Individually: San Francisco East Indies, see Indonesia and Malaya East Timor, 1975 et seq. Ecuador Independence, 1810-23 War with Peru, 1995-97 Egypt Arab-Israeli Wars, 1947-73 Yemen, 1962-69 Terrorism, 1992- Muhammad Ali, 1805-11 Eighteenth Century El Salvador 1906 & 1907 Wars Peasant Revolt, 1932 Football War, 1969 Civil War, 1979-91 England Hundred Years War, 1337-1453 War of the Roses, 1455-85 Tudors English Civil War, 1642-46 Spanish Armada, 1588 After 1707, see United Kingdom Equatorial Guinea, 1969-79 Eritrea War of Independence, 1962-92 War with Ethiopia, 1998- Ethiopia Italian Conquest, 1935-41 Second World War, 1942-45 Korean War, 1951-53 Civil Wars, 1962-92 War with Eritrea, 1998- European Wars, Generally (selected) Carolingian Succession Hundred Years War, 1337-1453 Spanish Armada, 1588 Thirty Years War, 1618-48 War of the League of Augsburg, 1688-97 Great Northern War, 1700-21 War of The Spanish Succession, 1701-13 War of the Quadruple Alliance, 1718-20 War of The Austrian Succession, 1740-48 Seven Years War, 1755-63 French Revolutionary Wars, 1792-1802 Napoleonic Wars, 1802-15 Crimean War, 1853-56 Seven Weeks War, 1866 Franco-Prussian War, 1871-72 First World War, 1914-18 Second World War, 1939-45 (For additional items, see specific countries and events in this Index) Falkland War, 1982 Famines (selected) Bengal, 1943 China 1920s 1930s Great Leap Forward, 1958-60 Ethiopia 1930s 1970s Iraq, 1990s Nigeria, 1967-70 North Korea, 1995- Russia Volga, 1921-22 Collectivization, 1927-37 Somalia, 1990s Spain, 1936-39 Total for 20th Century El Niρo Famines of the 19th C Ireland, 1845-48 Xhosa, 1857
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 @ 11:21pm
FAQ Fascists (selected) Franco, Francisco, r. 1939-75 Hitler, Adolf, r.1933-45 Mussolini, Benito, r. 1922-43 Second World War, 1939-45 Battles Campaigns Massacres Nations Finland Russian Civil War, 1918-20 Civil War, 1918 Winter War, 1939-40 Continuation War, 1941-45 First World War, see World War Flu Epidemic, 1918-19 Football War, 1969 France Algeria 1945 1954-62 Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901 Chad, 1982- French Equatorial Africa Forced Labor, 1900-40 Kongo-Wara War, 1927-31 Indochina Revolt, 1930-31 War of Independence, 1945-54 Dien Bien Phu Korean War, 1951-53 Lebanon: 1925-27, 1983 Madagascar, 1947 Morocco: 1909-11, 1917-18, 1921-26, 1953-56 Russian Civil War, 1918-20 Syria 1920 Thailand, 1940-41 Tunisia: 1952-54, 1961 World Wars First, 1914-18 Battles: 2nd Aisne, Battle of the Frontiers, Gallipoli, 1st Marne, 2nd Marne, Meuse-Argonne, Passchendaele, Somme, Verdun, 1st Ypres Second, 1939-45 Conquest, 1940 North Africa NW Europe, 1944-45 Post-liberation Reprisals Holocaust Before the 20th Century Charlemagne, r.768-814 Succession Albigensian Crusade, 1208-49 Sicilian Vespers, 1282 100 Years War, 1337-1453 Huguenot Wars, 1562-1598 St. Bartholemew Massacre, 1572 Fronde, 1648-53 American Revolution, 1775-1783 French Revolution, 1793-94 French Revolutionary Wars, 1792-1802 Napoleonic Wars, 1802-15 Sainte-Domingue, 1791-1803 Algeria, 1839-47 Revolution of 1848 Crimean War, 1853-56 Mexican War, 1862-67 Franco-Prussian War, 1871-72 Paris Commune Franco, Francisco, r. 1939-75 French and Indian War, 1754-63 French Equatorial Africa, 1921-32 Gallipoli, Battle of, 1915-16 Gambia, 1981 Genghis Khan, r. 1206-27 Georgia, 1992-93 Germany Charlemagne, r.768-814 Succession Peasants' War, 1524-25 Thirty Years War, 1618-48 Seven Years War, 1755-63 Napoleonic Wars, 1802-15 Seven Weeks War, 1866 Franco-Prussian War, 1871-72 East Africa, Maji-Maji Revolt, 1905-07 Southwest Africa, Herero War, 1904-07 First World War, 1914-18 Battles: 2nd Aisne, 2nd Arras, Belleau Wood, Battle of the Frontiers, Jutland, 1st Marne, 2nd Marne, Meuse-Argonne, Passchendaele, Somme, Tannenburg, Verdun, 1st Ypres Post-WW1 uprisings, 1919 Nazi vs. Socialist, 1934 Nazi regime, 1933-45 Holocaust: Country by country, inside Germany; Auschwitz, Babi Yar, Belzec, Chelmno, Majdanek, Mauthausen, Odessa, Sobibor, Treblinka Spanish Civil War, 1936-39 Second World War, 1939-45 Air Raids: by Allies generally, Belgrade, Berlin, Dresden, Hamburg, London, Stalingrad Battles: Anzio, Ardennes, Battle of the Atlantic, Operation Bagration, 1st Belorussia, Berlin, Battle of Britain, Donbass, 2nd El Alamein, Kiev, Kursk, Leningrad, Market-Garden, Monte Casino, Moscow, Normandy, North Caucasus, Rzhev-Vyazma, Seelow Heights, 1st Smolensk, Stalingrad, Warsaw, 1st West Ukraine, 2nd West Ukraine Campaigns: Balkans, Eastern Front, France 1940, Greece, Italy, North Africa, NW Europe 1944-45, Poland 1939 Post-WW2 expulsions from east Europe, 1945-47 East Germany, 1948-91 Ghana, 1981-93 Government: FAQ (Is government responsible for all these deaths?) Great Britain, see United Kingdom Greece Ancient Greece, 500-146 BCE Greek Revolution, 1821-28 Balkan Wars, 1912-13 First World War, 1914-18 Greco-Turkish War, 1919-22 Second World War, 1939-45 1940-41 War Holocaust Civil War, 1943-49 Korean War, 1951-53 Colonels, 1967-74 Grenada, 1983 Guadalcanal, Battle of, 1942-43 Guatemala 1906 War Civil War, 1960-1996 Gulag Kolyma Vorkuta Gulf War Iran-Iraq War, 1980-88 Desert Storm, 1990-91 Guinea Toure, 1969-76 Civil War, 2000- Guinea-Bissau, 1962-74 Gun Control Guyana, Jonestown suicide, 1978 Gypsies, Holocaust, 1937-45 Haiti Peralte Rebellion, 1918-20 Dom. Rep., 1937 Duvalier regime, 1957-86 1991-94 Before the 20th Century: Indians Sainte-Domingue, revolt, 1791-1803 Herero War, German Southwest Africa, 1904-07 Herod, Slaughter of the Innocents Hiroshima, 1945 Hitler, Adolf, r.1933-45 Second World War, 1939-45 Battles Campaigns Massacres Nations Holocaust, 1938-45 Country-by-country Auschwitz Babi Yar Belzec Chelmno Odessa Jasenovac Majdanek Mauthausen Sobibor Treblinka Holy Land Bible Roman-Jewish Wars, 68-132 CE Byzantine Era Arab Era Crusades, 1095-1291 Israel, 1947 et seq. Homicide Honduras Wars, 1906 & 1907 Civil Wars, 1924 War with Nicaragua, 1957 Football War, 1969 Death Squads, 1980-88 Human Sacrifice Aztecs India: Thuggee Shang China Hundred Years War, 1337-1453 Hungary Revolution of 1848 Council Republic, 1919 Second World War, 1941-45 Eastern Front Holocaust Communist Regime, 1948-89 1956 Uprising Hurricanes Galveston, 1900 Lake Okeechobee, 1928 Hussein, Saddam (r. 1979-2003) Generally FAQ: before vs. after see also specific events listed under Iraq Imperialism (see Colonial Conflicts) India First World War, 1914-18 Uprisings against UK, 1918-38 Second World War, 1939-45 Italy North Africa SE Asia Partition Violence, 1947 Hyderabad, 1948 Sino-Indian War, 1962 Naxalites, 1968- Bangladeshi War of Independence, 1971 Assam, 1978- Sikh uprising, 1982-91 Religious riots, 1992-2002 Kashmir Indo-Pakistani War, 1965 Civil War, 1989 et seq. Kargil War, 1999 Before the 20th C Sati Ashoka, 261 BCE Thagi, 13th-19th C Muslim conquest, 11th-17th C Kulbarga vs. Vijayanagar, 1366 Timur, d.1405 Aurangzeb, d.1707 Maratha-Afghan War, 1760-61 1st Sikh War, 1845-46 Sepoy Mutiny, 1857 El Niρo Famines of the 19th C Indians, American Before the 20th Century King Philip's War, 1675-76 United States, 1776-1890 Individual Indian Wars: Creek War, Seminole War Brazil 1900-1968 Yanomami, 1987-91 Paraguay, Ache Indians, 1968-74 Indochina Revolt, 1930-31 1st Indochina War, 1945-54 2nd Indochina War, 1960-75 3rd Indochina War, 1979-89 Indonesia Dutch East Indies Batavia, 1740 Java, 1825 Atjeh War, 1873-1914 Colonial labor, 1900-14 Bali, 1906 War of Independence, 1945-46 Civil Wars, 1950s War with Malaysia, 1962 Irian, 1962- Coup and Massacres, 1965-67 East Timor, 1975-99 Aceh, 1989 Jakarta, 1998 Moluccas, 1999- Influenza Epidemic, 1918-19 Iran, AKA Persia Graeco-Persian Wars, 499-448 BCE Alexander the Great, 336-323 BCE War with Ottomans, 1720s Babis, 1848-54 1908-09 Civil War Soviet occupation, 1945-47 Pahlevi Regime, 1953-79 Overthrow of the Shah Islamic Republic, 1979- Kurdistan Iran-Iraq War, 1980-88 Iraq Uprising , 1920 Kurds 1933 1961-70 1980s Coups, 1959-66 Purge, 1968 Saddam Hussein, 1979-2003 FAQ: before vs. after Iran-Iraq War, 1980-88 Gulf War, 1990-91 International Embargo, 1990-2003 Shia Rebellion, 1991-93 Bombing, 1998 American Occupation, 2003
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Ireland Cromwell, 1651 Famine, 1845-48 Uprising, 1790s Uprising, 1916-20 Northern Ireland, 1974-98 Islam, see Religious Conflicts or individual nations. Israel British Palestine, 1945-48 Arab-Israeli Wars, 1948- Palestinians Lebanon, 1982 et seq. Biblical Era Italy Ezzelino da Romano, fl.1240s Sicilian Vespers, 1282 Napoleonic Wars, 1802-15 Revolutions of 1848 Italo-Turkish War, 1911-12 Libya, 1911-31 First World War, 1914-18 Caporetto Mussolini, r. 1922-43 Ethiopia, 1935-41 Spanish Civil War, 1936-39 Second World War, 1940-45 France, 1940 Balkans Atrocities Greece North Africa 2nd El Alamein Eastern Front Stalingrad Italian Campaign: Anzio, Monte Casino Holocaust Postwar Ivory Coast, 2002- Iwo Jima, Battle of, 1945 Jamaica, 1980 Jasenovac Japan Shimabara Revolt 1637-38 Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901 Russo-Japanese War, 1904-05 Mukden Tsushima Korea Uprising, 1907-12 Uprising, 1919 Massacre, 1923 Invasion, 1592-98 First World War, 1914-18 Russian Civil War, 1918-20 Manchuria, 1931-33 Changkufeng Incident, 1938 Mongolia, 1939 Halhin Gol Second World War, 1937-45 Casualties Pacific War, 1941-45 SE Asia Battles: Guadalcanal, Guam, Iwo Jima, Leyte, Leyte Gulf, Manchuria, Midway, Okinawa, Peleliu, Saipan Atrocities: Bataan Death March, Manila Massacre Air raids: Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo Jews Russian Pogroms: 1906, 1919 Holocaust, 1938-45 Country-by-country Auschwitz Babi Yar Belzec Chelmno Jasenovac Majdanek Mauthausen Odessa Sobibor Treblinka British Palestine, 1945-48 Israel, 1947 et seq. Ancient and Medieval Bible Esther, Herod Roman-Jewish Wars, 68-132 CE Medina, 624 Crusades, 1095-1291 Black Death, 1348 Lisbon, 1506 Chmielnicki Rebellion, 1648-54 Jones, Jim, 1978 Jordan Arab-Israeli Wars, 1947-73 Uprising, 1970-1 Jutland, Battle of, 1916 Kashmir Indo-Pakistani War, 1965 Civil War, 1989 et seq. Kargil War, 1999 Kenya Colonial Wars, 1905 Mau-Mau, 1952-56 Border Conflict, 1963 Ethnic Clash, 1992 Khomeini, Ayatullah Ruhollah, r. 1979-89 Kolyma Korea Under Japanese Rule Uprising, 1907-12 Uprising, 1919 Massacre, 1923 Invasion, 1592-98 Catholics, 1700s South Korea Cheju Rebellion, 1948-49 Vietnam War, 1965-73 Demonstrations, 1980 Korean War, 1950-53 Chosin Reservoir Border skirmishes, 1953- North Korea, 1948 et seq. Kosovo, 1998-99 Kurds Turkey, 1925 Iraq, 1933 Dersim, 1937 Iraq, 1961-70 1980s, 1990s Kursk, Battle of, 1943 Laos French Indochina, 1945-54 Vietnam War, 1963-73 Post-War, 1975-87 Latvia Stalin Holocaust Lebanon Druses v. Maronites, 1860 Druze War, 1925-27 Civil War, 1958 Chaos, 1975-1992 Lenin, r. 1917-24 Leningrad, Battle of, 1941-44 Liberia, 1989-96 Libya Chad, 1982- Italian Conquest, 1911-31 Uganda, 1978-79 Lithuania War with Poland, 1920 Stalin Holocaust Luxemburg Second World War, 1940-45 Holocaust Macedonia 1903 Uprising Albanians, 2001 Alexander the Great, 334-324 BCE Madagascar, revolt, 1947 Majdanek Maji-Maji Revolt, German East Africa, 1905-07 Malawi, 1964-94 Malaysia Second World War, 1941-45 Emergency, 1948-60 War with Indonesia, 1962 Manchuria 1931-33 Soviet-Japanese War, 1939 Halhin Gol Battle of, (WW2, 1945) Mao Zedong, r. 1949-1975 Mau-Mau uprising, 1952-56 Mauritania Western Sahara, 1975-78 Medical Mistakes, 1999 Mexico Indians, 1500s Independence, 1810-21 Texas, 1835-36 Mexican-American War, 1846-48 Yucatan Maya, 1847-55 Maximilian, 1862-67 Mexican Revolution, 1910-20 B. of Celaya Uprising, 1923-24 Cristeros, 1926-30 Disappearances, 1970-85 US Border, 1997- Mobutu Sese Seko (r. 1965-97) Generally Congo Crisis, 1960-67 Overthrow Moldova, 1991-97 Mongolia People's Republic, 1926-91 Soviet-Japanese War, 1939 Halhin Gol Second World War, 1941-45 Mongols Chingis Khan, d.1227 Timur Lenk, d.1405 Morocco Spanish Wars 1859-60 1909-10 French War, 1917-18 The Rif Independence, 1953-56 Western Sahara, 1975-78 Most ____ (see Rankings) Mozambique Colonial labor, 1900-25 Independence, 1961-75 Civil War, 1975-93 Mussolini, Benito, r. 1922-43 Myanmar, see Burma Nagasaki, 1945 Nagorno-Karabakh, 1991 et seq. Namibia Herero War, 1904-07 Civil War, 1975-90 Nanking Massacre, 1937-38 Napoleonic Wars, 1802-15 Naval Battles (including joint land-air-sea battles) Battle of the Atlantic Iwo Jima Jutland Leyte Gulf Midway Okinawa Pearl Harbor Salamis, 480 BCE Sea battles, 1500-1899 Spanish Armada, 1588 Tsushima Nazism, 1933-45 Nepal, 1996- Netherlands Dutch Revolt, 1566-1609 American Revolution, 1775-1783 Second World War, 1940-45 Conquest, 1940 Holocaust Dutch East Indies Batavia, 1740 Java, 1825 Atjeh War, 1873-1914 Colonial labor, 1900-14 Bali, 1906 War of Independence, 1945-46 Irian, 1962 New Guinea Bouganville Revolt, 1989 et seq. Irian Jaya, 1962- New Zealand Maoris First World War, 1914-18 Gallipoli, 1915-16 Second World War, 1939-45 Nicaragua Walker Fillibuster, 1856-57 War, 1907 Sandino, 1926-33 War with Costa Rica, 1955 War with Honduras, 1957 Civil Wars, 1972-91 Nigeria Satiru Massacre, 1906 Egba Revolt, 1918 Biafra, 1967-70 Moslem uprising, 1980-84 Internal Conflicts, 1990s, 2000s Nineteenth Century Normandy, Battle of, 1944 North Korea, see Korea North Vietnam, see Vietnam North Yemen, see Yemen Northern Ireland, 1974-98 Norway Second World War, 1940-45 Holocaust Okinawa, Battle of, 1945 Ottoman Empire, see Turkey Pacific War South America, 1879-83 WW2, 1941-45 Pakistan Partition Violence, 1947 Indo-Pakistani War, 1965 Baluchi/Pathan separatists, 1973-77 Bengali massacres, 1971 Sindh War, 1990s Kargil War, 1999 Palestinians Arab Revolt, 1936-39 Israel, 1947- Jordan, 1970-1 Lebanon, 1975 et seq. Panama, 1989 Papua New Guinea, 1989 et seq. Paraguay Civil War, 1911-12 Chaco War, 1932-35 Civil War, 1947 Stroessner, 1954-89 Ache Indians, 1968-74 Coup, 1989 War of the Triple Alliance, 1864-70 Passchendaele, Battle of, 1917 Persia, see Iran Persian Wars, 499-448 BCE Peru Indians, 1500s Tupac Amaru, 1780-83 Pacific War, 1879-83 Rubber Companies, 1900-1912 Uprising, 1932 Uprising, 1965-66 Shining Path, 1980-2000 War with Ecuador, 1995-97 Philippines Philippine-American War, 1899-1902 Second World War, 1941-45 Bataan Death March, 1942 Manila Massacre, 1944-45 Huk Rebellion, 1946-54 Korean War, 1950-53 Vietnam War, 1965-73 Rebellions, 1972-92 Pol Pot, r.1975-78 Poland War with USSR, 1919-20 Warsaw War with Lithuania, 1920 Second World War Military operations: 1939 Conquest, Italian Campaign, Market-Garden, NW Europe 1944-45, Normandy, Operation Bagration, Warsaw Atrocities: Auschwitz, Belzec, Chelmno, Holocaust, Katyn, Majdanek, Sobibor, Treblinka, Warsaw Post-WW2 expulsions of Germans, 1945-47 Communist Regime, 1948-91 Chmielnicki Rebellion, 1648-54 Portugal Napoleonic Wars, 1802-15 Colonial labor, 1900-25 First World War, 1914-18 Spanish Civil War, 1936-39 Angola, 1961-75 Mozambique, 1961-75 Guinea-Bissau, 1962-74 Primitive War Prussia, see Germany Quadruple Alliance, War of the, 1718-20 African Diaspora, Apartheid, Colonial Activities and Indians. Railroads Burma-Siam Congo-Ocean Albigensian Crusade, 1208-49 Algeria, 1992- Aztecs Baha'is, 1848-54 Bosnia, 1992-95 Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901 Christian Romans, 30-313 CE Croatia, 1991-92 Early Christian doctrinal disputes English Civil War, 1642-46 Holocaust, 1938-45 Huguenot Wars, 1562-1598 India, 1992-2002 India: Suttee & Thugs Indo-Pakistani Partition, 1947 Iran, Islamic Republic, 1979- Iraq, Shiites, 1991-92 Jews, 1348 Jonestown, 1978 Korea, 1700s Lebanon 1860 1975-92 Martyrs, generally Molucca Is., 1999- Mongolia, 1937-39 Northern Ireland, 1974-98 Responsibility generally (Is religion responsible for more deaths than ...?) Christian culpabiltiy Russian pogroms: 1905-06 1917-22 St. Bartholemew Massacre, 1572 Shang China, ca. 1300-1050 BCE Shimabara Revolt, Japan 1637-38 Sikh uprising, India, 1984-91 Spanish Inquisition, 1478-1834 Taiping Rebellion, 1850-64 Thirty Years War, 1618-48 Tudor England Vietnam, 1800s Witch Hunts, 1400-1800 Xhosa, 1857 In addition, here are a few noteworthy conflicts where dissimilar ethnic groups fought for primarily religious reasons: Arab Outbreak, 7th Century CE Arab-Israeli Wars, 1948- Al Qaeda, 1993- Bible Crusades, 1095-1291 Dutch Revolt, 1566-1609 Muslim conquest of India, 11th-17th C Nigeria, 1990s, 2000s Revolutionary War American, 1775-1783 French, 1792-1802 Rhodesia Civil War, 1972-79 Matabele, 1896-98 Roma, Holocaust, 1939-45 Roman Empire, 500 BCE - 476 CE Romania Vlad the Impaler, r.1456-62 Peasant Revolt, 1907 Balkan Wars, 1912-13 First World War, 1914-18 Second World War, 1940-45 War dead Eastern Front Stalingrad Atrocities: Holocaust Communist Regime, 1948-89 Uprising, 1989 Rubber Companies Amazonia, 1900-1912 Congo Free State French Equatorial Africa Rumania, see Romania Russia Ivan the Terrible, r.1533-84 Russo-Tatar War, 1571 Time of Troubles, 1598-1613 Razin Rebellion, 1667-71 Peter the Great, r.1682-1721 Northern War, 1700-21 Bulavin's Revolt, 1707-08 Seven Years War, 1755-63 Pugachov Revolt, 1773-74 French Revolutionary Wars, 1792-1802 Napoleonic Wars, 1802-15 Russo-Turkish Wars: 1806-12, 1828-29, 1877-78 Crimean War, 1853-56 Romanov Regime, 1900-17 Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901 Russo-Japanese War, 1904-05 Mukden Tsushima Persia, 1908-09 Kirghiz massacre, 1916 First World War, 1914-18 Lemberg, Tannenburg Revolution, 1917 Civil War, 1917-22 Post-Communist Russia Chechnya, 1994 et seq. see Union of Soviet Socialist Republics for the years, 1922-1991 Russo-Japanese War, 1904-05 Mukden Tsushima Rwanda 1959-95 1990 Saddam Hussein (r. 1979-2003) Generally FAQ: before vs. after see also specific events listed under Iraq Salvador, see El Salvador Saudi Arabia Yemen, 1962-69 Scapegoats Jews for Black Death, 1348 Koreans for earthquake, 1923 Second World War, see World War Serbia First World War, 1914-18 Senegal, 1982- Seven Years War, 1755-63 Sierra Leone, 1991- Sikhs 1st Sikh War, 1845-46 India, 1984-91 Sino-____ War, see China Six Day War, 1967 Slavery Western slave trade, 1500-1850 Eastern slave trade, 1500-1850 Zong, 1781 Sainte-Domingue, revolt, 1791-1803 Smallpox Smoking Sobibor Soccer War, 1969 Somalia Hasan, 1899-1920 Ogaden War, 1962-92 Conflict with Kenya, 1963 Barre regime, 1971-90 Chaos, 1992 et seq.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 @ 11:23pm
Somme, Battle of, 1916 Sources South Africa Mfecane, early 1800s Zulus, 1856 Xhosa, 1857 Anglo-Zulu War, 1879 Anglo-Boer War, 1899-1902 Zulu Revolt, 1905 Second World War, 1940-45 Italy North Africa Apartheid Regime, 1948-93 Namibia, 1975-90 Angola, 1975-95 South Korea, see Korea South Vietnam, see Vietnam South Yemen, see Yemen Soviet Union, see Union of Soviet Socialist Republics Spain Spanish Inquisition, 1478-1834 Dutch Revolt, 1566-1609 Spanish Armada, 1588 American Revolution, 1775-1783 Napoleonic Wars, 1802-15 South American independence, 1810-23 Mexico, 1810-21 Carlist Wars 1st, 1832-40 2nd, 1846-49 3rd, 1872-76 Cuba Ten Years War, 1868-78 Revolt, 1895-98 Spanish-American War, 1898 Morocco 1859-60 1909-11 The Rif , 1921-26 Asturias Miners, 1934 Spanish Civil War, 1936-39 Ebro Second World War, 1940-45 Basques, 1961 et seq. Madrid, 2004 Spanish Flu, 1918-19 Spanish Succession, War of the, 1701-13 Spelling Sri Lanka 1971 Rebellion 1977-95 War Stalin, r. 1924-53 Generally Second World War Bykivnia Kolyma Kuropaty Vorkuta Stalingrad Battle of, 1942-43 Air raid, 1942 Sudan Civil War, 1955-72 Civil War, 1983- Darfur, 2003- Suez Crisis, 1956 Sweden Great Northern War, 1700-21 Syria War with France 1920 Arab-Israeli Wars, 1947-73 Hafez al-Assad, 1971 et seq. Lebanon, 1976 Taiwan 1947 1954-55 Tajikstan, 1992-96 Tamerlane, d.1405 Tannenburg, Battle of, 1914 Tanzania Maji-Maji Revolt, 1905-07 Zanzibar, 1964 Uganda, 1978-79 Terrorism (selected) International, 1977-1999 Northern Ireland, 1974-98 Palestinians United States, 2001- Texas War of Independence, 1835-36 Thailand War with France, 1940-41 misc. unrest, 1947-77 Korean War, 1950-53 Vietnam War, 1965-73 Thirty Years War, 1618-48 Thuggee, 13th-19th C Tibet War with UK, 1904 War with China, 1912-13 War with China, 1918 Chinese Occupation, 1950 et. seq Timor, East, 1975 et seq. Timur, d.1405 Tito, r. 1944-87 Tobacco Tojo Hideki, r. 1941-45 Tokyo Air Raid, 1945 Treblinka Tunisia War of Independence 1961 Turkey Macedonia, 1903 Italo-Turkish War, 1911-12 Balkan Wars, 1912-13 First World War, 1914-18 Gallipoli, 1915-16 Armenians, 1915-23 Trebizond Bitlis Greco-Turkish War, 1919-1922 Kurdistan 1925 Dersim, 1937 1980s, 1990s Korean War, 1950-53 Cyprus, 1974 Extremists, 1975-80 Military Regime, 1980-87 Before the 20th C. 16th Century, 1500s 17th Century, 1600s Habsburg-Ottoman War, 1682-99 Venetian-Austro-Turkish War, 1714-18 War with Persia, 1720s Egypt, 1805-11 Greek Revolution, 1821-28 Russo-Turkish Wars: 1806-12, 1828-29, 1877-78 Crimean War, 1853-56 Lebanon, 1860 Bulgaria, 1876 Armenia, 1895-96 Twentieth Century Total Before the 20th Century Twenty-first Century Uganda Civil War, 1966 Idi Amin, 1972-78 Civil War, 1979-87 Civil War, 1987- Union of Soviet Socialist Republics Russian Civil War and Lenin, 1917-22 War with Poland, 1919-20 Warsaw Stalin, 1924-53 Gulags etc.: Kolyma, Kuropaty, Vorkuta, Bykivnia Sino-Soviet War, 1929 Changkufeng Incident, 1938 Mongolia, 1939 Halhin Gol War with Finland, 1939-40 Second World War, 1940-45 Casualties: Poland 1939, Great Patriotic War Atrocities: Holocaust, Babi Yar, Odessa Major battles: Operation Bagration, 1st Belorussia, Berlin, Donbass, Kiev, Kursk, Leningrad, Manchuria, Moscow, North Caucasus, Rzhev-Vyazma, Seelow Heights, 1st Smolensk, Stalingrad, 1st West Ukraine, 2nd West Ukraine Occupation of Iran, 1945-47 Hungarian Uprising, 1956 Sino-Soviet War, 1963-69 Afghanistan, 1979-95 Former USSR: Chechnya, Georgia, Moldova, Nagorno-Karabakh, Tajikstan United Kingdom Before 1707, see England Jacobite Rebellion, 1715-16 French and Indian War, 1754-63 American Revolution, 1775-1783 Napoleonic Wars, 1802-15 Anglo-American War, 1812-15 1st Sikh War, 1845-46 Crimean War, 1853-56 Sepoy Mutiny, 1857 Maori War, 1860-72 Anglo-Zulu War, 1879 Boer War, 1899-1902 Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901 Mad Mullah, 1899-1920 War with Tibet, 1904 Kenya, 1905 Zulu Revolt, 1905 Satiru Massacre, Nigeria, 1906 World War I, 1914-18 Battles: 2nd Arras, Battle of the Frontiers, Gallipoli, Jutland, 1st Marne, 2nd Marne, Passchendaele, Somme, 1st Ypres Nigeria, 1918 Russian Civil War, 1918-20 Amritsar Massacre, India, 1919 Iraq, 1920 Burma, 1930-32 World War II, 1939-45 Casualties Battle of the Atlantic Burma Battle of Britain France, 1940 Greece Italy: Anzio, Monte Casino North Africa: 2nd El Alamein NW Europe 1944-45: Market-Garden, Normandy Atrocities Air raids: Dresden, Hamburg, London Dutch East Indies, 1945-46 Palestine, 1945-48 Malaya, 1948-60 Korean War, 1950-53 Mau-Mau uprising, 1952-56 Suez, 1954 Cyprus, 1955-59 Malaysia, 1962 Aden, 1963-67 Northern Ireland, 1969- Falkland War, 1982 Iraq, 2003 United States of America American Military History, Generally All wars Bloodiest battle Bloodiest war Deadliest day US accused of causing (post WW2) King Philip's War, 1675-76 French and Indian War, 1754-63 Revolutionary War, 1775-1783 Indian Wars, 1776-1890: collectively, individually War of 1812, 1812-15 Creek War Seminole War, 1835-42 Texas War of Independence, 1835-36 Mexican War, 1846-48 Walker Fillibuster, 1856-57 Civil War, 1860-65 Reconstruction, 1865-76 Spanish-American War, 1898 Lynchings, 1882-64 Philippine Insurgency, 1899-1902 Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901 Mexican Revolution, 1910-20 World War I, 1917-18 Belleau Wood, 2nd Marne, Meuse-Argonne Haiti, 1918-20 Russian Civil War, 1918-20 Chicago gang wars, 1920s Nicaragua, 1926-33 Spanish Civil War, 1936-39 World War II, 1941-45 Casualties: Burma, Italy, North Africa, NW Europe, Pacific Major battles: Anzio, Battle of the Atlantic, Bulge, Guadalcanal, Guam, Iwo Jima, Leyte, Leyte Gulf, Market-Garden, Midway, Monte Casino, Normandy, Okinawa, Pearl Harbor, Peleliu, Saipan Atrocities Air raids: Berlin, Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo Korean War, 1950-53 Chosin Reservoir Dominican Republic, 1965 Vietnam War, 1965-73 Tet, 1968 Lebanon, 1983 Grenada, 1983 Panama, 1989 Gulf War, 1990-91 War on Terrorism, 1993- Kosovo, 1998 Afghanistan, 2001- Iraq, 2003- Homicides, 1900-96 Mexican Border, 1997- Racism, 1900-70 Uruguay 1904 Military Regime, 1973-84 Venezuela Independence, 1810-23 Power struggles, 1830-1903 Federal War, 1859-63 Verdun, Battle of, 1916 Vietnam Indochina War, 1945-54 Dien Bien Phu North Vietnam, 1954-75 South Vietnam, Diem, 1955-63 Vietnam War, 1965-75 Tet, 1968 Post-War, 1975-87 Laos, 1975-87 Cambodia Khmer Rouge, 1975-79 Civil War, 1978-91 Sino-Vietnamese War, 1979 Christians, 1800s Violencia, Colombia, 1946-58 Vlad the Impaler, r.1456-62 Vorkuta Western Sahara Morocco vs. Polisario Front, 1975-78 Witch Hunts, 1400-1800 World Trade Center, 1993, 2001 3rd deadliest day in American history World Wars First World War, 1914-18 Generally Major battles Aftershocks: Armenian Massacres, 1915-23 Finnish Civil War, 1918 German unrest, 1919 Greco-Turkish War, 1919-1922 Hungary, 1919 Russian Civil War, 1918-20 Russo-Polish War, 1919-20 Spanish Flu, 1918-19 Second World War, 1937/39-45 Nation by nation By Campaign and Battle Atrocities Major battles Massacres Preliminary Conflicts: Manchuria, 1931-33 Ethiopia, 1935-41 Mongolia, 1939 Russo-Finnish War, 1939-40 Aftershocks: Greek Civil War, 1943-49 Post-war expulsions of Germans, 1945-47 French Indochina, 1945-54 Dutch East Indies, 1945-46 Chinese Civil War, 1945-49 Worst ____ (see Rankings) Yemen North Yemen (s.k.a. "Kingdom of Yemen", "Yemen Arab Republic") Civil War, 1948 Civil War, 1962-69 South Yemen (s.k.a. "Aden", "Federation of South Arabia", "People's Republic of Southern Yemen") British intervention, 1963-67 Civil War, 1986 Yom Kippur War, 1973 Yugoslavia Second World War, 1940-45 Casualties: Balkans Campaign Atrocities: Holocaust, Jasenovac Tito Regime, 1944-80 Former Yugoslavia Bosnia and Herzegovina, 1992-95 Croatia, 1991-92 Kosovo, 1998-99 Zaire, see Congo Zambia, 1964 Zanzibar, 1964 Zimbabwe Rhodesian Civil War, 1972-79 Mugabe, 1980- Zulus Shaka & Mfecane, early 1800s Civil War, 1856 Anglo-Zulu War, 1879 1905 Revolt
another hallmark moment.
stupid, pathetic humans.
Saturday, May 10, 2008 11:24:26 PM
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 @ 11:23pm
Frosty, please stop, my old macs ready to blow a hoove.
Posted by Sorelish at 05/10/2008 @ 11:28pm
Frosty, please stop, my old macs ready to blow a hoove.
Posted by Sorelish
sorry, dude.
mother's day brings out the hallmark in me.
Q. what did the skeleton order to drink in the bar?
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 @ 11:34pm
A. a beer and a mop!
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 @ 11:34pm
<i>cluster posting.......
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008 @ 11:36pm
some Opec countries are our very good friends, like Canada and Mexico.
Posted by emile duBois
Emile,
I know the dollar is driving oil prices. I also know we do indeed get most of our oil from Canada. This does not however let OPEC nations off the hook for driving oil prices up. I'm not quite as dumb as you think. The trading is based on the dollar and we are the number one oil user in the world.
I'm not foaming at the mouth. As a matter of fact, I don't drive that much so the gasoline prices are not bleeding me dry like other folks who drive to work.
I do foam at the mouth when I see people starving to death so some asshole can make more money on the stock market on his investment in oil.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 05/10/2008 @ 11:41pm
get thee behind me, satanic preacher. you are no Christian, you are evil personified.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/10/2008
Ditto
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 05/10/2008 @ 11:45pm
Peace -- something humans are too stupid to obtain.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008
Frosty,
You are correct and I'm afraid the rest of us are dead wrong. Ghandi, MLK, JESUS and the rest of the pacifists people love to quote didn't believe in violence. Liv couldn't be more off the mark than he is.
I confess that my sinking enemy oil tankers is wrong. I don't give a damn about national status as Emile seems to think. I do get upset about seeing people starving and kids with nobody to take care of them while other purchase multi million dollar yachts, bury their money in offshore accounts so their governments can't tax them, and so on.
Kudos to you sir. Us folks of the world need to take care of each other and quit finding reasons to blow each other up.
In the end, all this war and killing is for a handful of arrogant people who only wish to tighten their grip on humanity.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 05/10/2008 @ 11:56pm
Wolfgang1
live long and prosper, my brother.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/11/2008 @ 12:05am
live long and prosper, my brother.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/11/2008
Frosty,
If McCain is elected a lot of us may neither live long or prosper. But, thank you for the sentiments.
P.S. Do you like the song Something to Believe In by Poison? A relatively old song I know, but the lyrics still ring true.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 05/11/2008 @ 12:39am
I do believe the prospering ended quite a while ago. That is if you're not one of the real elites that the dittoheads so love as they spew against Barack Obama for being an "elitist" just becaue the man spoke some truth.
Shit's headed downhill. The only people stupid enough to not acknowledge this fact are the same type of people who voted for Georgie based on "values" like those durn homos gettin married.
When exactly did the people of this country become so easily manipulated and cowed?
This country needs a good old fashioned national crisis, one that TRULY affects our way of life so the majority of the masses can pull their heads out of their asses and take a good dose of humility and real life, real world tragedy. Sad as it is, that seems like what is needed to get us back on the right track.
It's terrible to be ashamed of one's c ountry.
Posted by madlib at 05/11/2008 @ 01:32am
The problem with cluster bombs is the same as the problem with land mines, that they remain operative in an area long after it has ceased to be a battlefield. This is more than just a tragedy of war or collateral damage, this is putting civilians under the gun after the military targets in the area are gone. Consequently, the risk the pose to civilians far outweighs any military advantage.
One NGO, Handicap International, did a study the asserted that 98% of cluster bomb casualties are civilians. Although we are certainly entitled to put the lives of U.S. forces above that of enemy soldiers, we aren't entitled to disproportionately endanger civilians to that degree.
Posted by brunowe at 05/11/2008 @ 04:36am
Posted by brunowe at 05/11/2008
Since when have Marquess of Queensberry rules applied to war? Not for a helluva long time.
Posted by Sorelish at 05/11/2008 @ 11:41am
Posted by Sorelish at 05/11/2008 | ignore this person
this does not however mean that there aren't any rules in war. the concept of war crimes shows that there are.
at the same time it's true that the US has not held its troops responsible, and the civilian warriors either, for atrocities committed.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/11/2008 @ 12:12pm
The US wants no part of a World Court. Who will take us to task? All we hear is that familiar refrain,"Posterity will judge our actions". The same veterans of WW2 are making comments such as,"We lost as many guys in a few days as has been the entire death count in Iraq." There is no differentiation. It's always, support the troops.
Posted by Sorelish at 05/11/2008 @ 12:21pm
support the troops, bring them home from this unmitigated disaster.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/11/2008 @ 12:35pm
get thee behind me, satanic preacher. you are no Christian, you are evil personified.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/10/2008
Ditto
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 05/10/2008
Ignorance is not bliss.
And Wolfgang, Jesus was not a pacifist. He willingly laid down His own life because that was His very purpose in being. But nowhere did He propose or teach against the necessity of wars. Just the opposite in fact.
Most leftists who like to quote Jesus are so selective that they miss most of His teaching.
But then, I've posted many times Jesus's words that counter the notion that He was a pacifist. It's just that leftists like yourself, JR, Mask, and so many others are unwilling to acknowledge the facts.
Happy Mothers Day to all of the mothers.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/11/2008 @ 12:46pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/11/2008
Far from it....I remember in Armaments Chapter 5, Verse 22 where Jesus said "Verily I say to thee, smite thine enemies 3-5 times with the holy fire of the atom, so thateth your generals might achieve victory and not some pansy-assed armistice!"
and in Paul's letters to the Spartans, where he said "Think city firestorm, when dealing with the purveyors of terror. Smote their cities, unto the last child. For as the evil-doers use the children as cover, it shall put no stain of unrighteouness upon you, but upon them, if the young'uns are dashed to pieces and burnt to a crisp by your holy fire of righteousness!"
Posted by Mask at 05/11/2008 @ 1:22pm
Posted by marybretbrad at 05/10/2008
So you cite U.N. authority when you WANT to do something.....denegrate it when you DON'T want to do something.
gotcha
Posted by Mask at 05/11/2008 @ 1:24pm
Jesus was not a pacifist.
Happy Mothers Day to all of the mothers.
Posted by lvliberty1
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/11/2008 @ 1:26pm
like i said, i defend myself.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/10/2008
Asking a serious question, FROS....so I gleaned out the serious answer.
And my point is that if there are "shades of gray" to your pacifism, then there's a point in the debate where you have to put aside the blanket statements and the "naive hopes", and think seriously about what kind of a defense policy you'd support and yes...what level of state-sanctioned violence to repel worse violence that you'd accept.
Posted by Mask at 05/11/2008 @ 1:28pm
Smote their cities
Posted by Mask at 05/11/2008
don't forget about ol' st. willy pete!!!!
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/11/2008 @ 1:32pm
"But then, I've posted many times Jesus's words that counter the notion that He was a pacifist. "
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/11/2008 | ignore this person
Oh yes Lying Larry...I can bear witness to the fact that you've perverted the words of Jesus many times! And many times I've taken the trouble to point out how His words refer to HIS right to judge His creation and His place in leading the battle against evil. And now I'll point out that, with the power to 'destroy them all', Jesus did indeed choose instead, to lay down his own life...willingly...you know...the pacifist route.
You see Lying Larry, this perversion of Jesus' words is why, when you finally meet Him, you can expect to hear Him utter these words...
"I know you not"
...just before he casts you into the lake of fire.
Posted by Lillian at 05/11/2008 @ 1:59pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/11/2008
I've seen your atavistic face in many a work of art picturing the torture & slaying of some saint. And it wasn't very sympathetic.
Posted by Sorelish at 05/11/2008 @ 2:22pm
and think seriously about what kind of a defense policy you'd support and yes...what level of state-sanctioned violence to repel worse violence that you'd accept.
Posted by Mask
obviously.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/11/2008 @ 2:35pm
what do YOU suggest?
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/11/2008 @ 2:36pm
here:
you've been trying to extract this from me, so happy mothers day.
a non-business based foreign policy.
b enough boomboom stuff ready to stop any bad guys.
c diplomacy to reduce the # of bad guys.
d reductions in boombooms through diplomacy.
e use economic leverage/aid to "convince" of the necessity of "being nice"
f that's all i got in the 2.3 minutes i've had to write this down.
DON'T QUOTE ME!
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/11/2008 @ 2:41pm
Communication is the key. Keep all lines open. God bless you, Jimmy Carter.
Posted by Sorelish at 05/11/2008 @ 3:03pm
Jesus wasn't a pacifist?
lol, that's pretty rich.
Prince of peace my ass, more like the prince of ass kicking, right?
Posted by madlib at 05/11/2008 @ 4:47pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/11/2008
Logic and fact. And if logic dictates that we can safely (relatively), effectively, with solid rationale, thwart future attacks upon ourselves after deliberate and incontrovertibly attempts have been made....we do.
Best example...Afghanistan. Where military, morally, politically, and even fiscally...it was a "just war" to overthrow the Taliban and end their safe harbor for Al Qaeda.
What has been done since then (both in Afghanistan and Iraq) has been farce and tragedy, with heavy dashs of incompetence both militarily and diplomatically.
Posted by Mask at 05/11/2008 @ 4:57pm
Posted by madlib at 05/11/2008 |
Actually the theory bandied about by war-hungry "Christians" is....that Jesus was only the "Prince of Peace" and peace was only to be given to....other Christians.
Which is pretty weak, given if the other person is a Christian, not likely you're going to get in much of a fight with them.
But if heathen, atheist, MUSLIM, etc.....Jesus fine with you blasting them. They're going to Hell anyway, might as well speed things along, huh?
Posted by Mask at 05/11/2008 @ 5:00pm
No LV it's not that "leftists" didn't get the teaching it's that you can interpret them to mean whatever you want. That's what you don't get because you are so self-righteous you can't see past the end of your nose. If the case is that some people get it right and some wrong then you do you know you are right? How do you know that you are the one who knows what Jesus meant? Did you talk to him and he told you? No. You are interpreting and gaining information for yourself. For you to say someone else is wrong and you are right on the interpretation of scripture is pure arrogance and nothing more.
The only thing I ever remember you quoting to say that Jesus wasn't a pacficist was when he got angry and flipped some tables in church. That is not the same thing as saying "go out and bombeth your neighbors." In this instance he didn't kill anyone or anything didn't destroy property. All he did was flipped some tables, scattered some livestock and push some money around. Please show me where jesus said an eye for an eye is a good thing because as I remember it he said "You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth". But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." Now to me that means when confronted with violence do not lash out violently but that is just me.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/11/2008 @ 5:00pm
On a side note. For those of you who swear by the legitimacy and hard hitting facts of Fox news I have a little funny today. I was watching Faux News this morning because I was feeling a little masochistic. Hannity had on a Hillary talking head in the "fire zone" or some other stupid Fox term. He was inquiring to him about Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers saying repeatedly that Bill Ayers had killed people and was horrible. He then read aloud Bill Ayres quote from 2001. The funny part was they he said that he was putting Hillary on under the microscope in this discussion but none of the talk was ever about Hillary. That wasn't the point of my writing this though.
For those of you who don't know and who believe the lies Fox tells, Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground never killed anyone. Yes they did bomb select locations however they never killed or injured anyone. They would always call in before they bombed a place and had the location evacuated. I found this out on Wikipedia so I think that "hard hitting" hack Hannity could find it out. The only two people ever killed due to a bomb created by the WU were two of it's members. When they were manufacturing a bomb in a Gringich Village apartment and it went off. But of course Hannity doesn't care that he is spouting bullshit.
On top of that. Bill Ayers went on not long after he made the comment he made to clarify because he said what he said at the time was not what he fully meant. He talks about his regret in their arrogance in believing they were the only ones with the right answers and they they knew everything. Doesn't sound like that same guy that Faux News is trying to paint him to be. Maybe you should request that your talking heads actually try to spout some facts instead of lying through their teeth.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/11/2008 @ 5:27pm
"If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." Now to me that means when confronted with violence do not lash out violently but that is just me."
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/11/2008
C3, what the basic premise of the passage means is..if someone insults you in such a manner, don't get angry, just turn and walk away before the situation turns violent.
It does not imply that you stand there and allow someone to hit you, if you do, they will kill you if the opportunity presented itself.
Posted by ACook at 05/11/2008 @ 9:06pm
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/11/2008
So C3, what did Bill Ayers mean then if what he said at the time was not what he fully meant?
Posted by ACook at 05/11/2008 @ 9:12pm
with heavy dashs of incompetence both militarily and diplomatically.
Posted by Mask
fiscally and spiritually, too.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/11/2008 @ 11:34pm
a MUSLIM in the BLACK house!!!
‘viva america!
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/11/2008 @ 11:53pm
The only thing I ever remember you quoting to say that Jesus wasn't a pacficist was when he got angry and flipped some tables in church. That is not the same thing as saying "go out and bombeth your neighbors." In this instance he didn't kill anyone or anything didn't destroy property. All he did was flipped some tables, scattered some livestock and push some money around. Please show me where jesus said an eye for an eye is a good thing because as I remember it he said "You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth". But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." Now to me that means when confronted with violence do not lash out violently but that is just me.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/11/2008
I have never used that example.
Your eye for an eye quote deals with personal responses, not the necessity of war or the proper role as noted by Paul in Romans 13 for governments to bear the sword against evil as ordained by G-d.
but I would pray that you are not among those when Chri