Historian Taylor Branch spent twenty-four years writing the trilogy, America in the King Years: Parting the Waters (1988), Pillar of Fire (1998) and At Canaan’s Edge (2006). Lately, he’s been culling and editing transcripts of his extensive conversations with Bill Clinton during his time in office. He plans to release a book of these conversations at the end of 2008. He took time last week to answer some questions about Presidents, politics and Martin Luther King Jr.
You relied on tapes of presidential conversations for the America in the King Years trilogy. After Nixon, Presidents stopped taping their conversations. What effect do you think this will have on the writing of presidential histories and American history in general?
It’s a very interesting and important issue that I hope people outside the historical profession will take an interest in. Every President from Roosevelt to Nixon taped, and Nixon taped more than all the other Presidents put together, and very few of those have been transcribed. That’s the reason it takes such a long time for them to be absorbed first by historians. The process of using them and incorporating them is only just starting.
History’s always struggling a little bit with where do you get your material and how does the nature of your material affect the range of interpretation that’s available. Historians for centuries relied on correspondence and letters and that sort of thing, and then we had a century that went from telephone to e-mail in one century and kind of wiped out letters. So it kind of raises the question where are you going to get your materials, and how are you going to make it real.
If I could be a pope, a legal pope, or a Supreme Court justice, I would tape-record all the Presidents’ conversations to this day with some sort of iron-clad rule that they be secret for ten or fifteen years. But nobody trusts that we’d be able to keep ourselves away from them. We’d figure out some way that we needed to know what George Bush said, or whoever the next President is. So nobody’s been able to do it. But that’s a tragedy for history.
What are some of the lessons of the civil rights movement that you think have gone unheeded or unlearned?
Have you got a second? [laughs] Well, I would say at the most basic level that the civil rights era was a great victory for democratization in the United States, in race relations but also far beyond race relations. It also liberated the economy of the white South and de-stigmatized white Southerners and politicians and set in motion the modern women’s movement. I think that the civil rights movement was a democratizing force that’s still being felt around the world. They sang “We Shall Overcome” at the Berlin Wall when it came down; Tiananmen Square was modeled on a ’60s sit-in. So it went all the way around the world.
This movement set all those things in motion, but how it happened and why it happened and what the balance was between a people’s movement and political process is not studied and debated. It would affect how we should approach similar issues today. I mean, we were trying to create democracy in Iraq, but nobody asked whether there were any lessons in the civil rights movement about how you create democracy. The model we used in Iraq was Vietnam.