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I just want to say that I disagree wholeheartedly with Dave Zirin's article about how the NFL should deny Rush Limbaugh's attempt to become an NFL owner. Professional sports is one of the few venues where the free market holds ownership to task, because the worker and the product are one and the same. In Zirin's own article, he quotes numerous players who wouldn't play for him because of who he is--nothing could better rebuke such a swine like Limbaugh than his own free market destroying him as players refused to play for him. The Rams are awful as it is now. If he buys the team, and the top players refuse to play, as they have said, he stands to lose not only money but also credibility. What could better show how out of touch with the average American Rush is than his alienation of Middle American football fans through the consequences of his racism? As an example, this would have more power than any teach-in to date.

Kevin Evers

Somerville, MA

Oct 18 2009 - 1:33pm

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Dave Zirin's article about Rush Limbaugh was such a hatchet job that it was embarrassing. Yes, I am angry. This is not journalism and it's not civil discourse. Evidently, Zirin thinks he can get away with stretching and massaging "quotes" for your audience because he knows your readers don't listen to listen to Limbaugh. I listen to Limbaugh frequently. I can tell you what Zirin amounts to nothing more than vicious smearing. I have a friend who tells me that liberals are the kind and compassionate ones. Hmm. You sure can't see it from this article. I think this is a good example of hate journalism.

Gloria Garza

Houston, TX

Oct 16 2009 - 10:21pm

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R.L is an arrogant, smug, innuendo-spreading a-hole, but I have to agree with most of the other comments. The main exception beng the jerk that wants to attack the writer. Why do stupid people always assume that they would be the victor?

Fred thomas

Simi Valley, CA

Oct 14 2009 - 3:25pm

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Dave Zirin is an asshole and a liar. Tell him to come visit me in San Francisco so that I can kick his weaselly ass. What a first-class jerk. He needs to lie about people to validate himself. You lefties are a pathetic lot.

John P. Hurabiell

San Francisco, CA

Oct 14 2009 - 1:20pm

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It is despicable when a person enjoys a charmed life of plenty, yet resorts to wishing ill on those who are less fortunate... a man of real character would be thankful for his own good fortune, he would be mindful of and compassionate toward those who suffer.

Rush Limbaugh is the poorest wealthy man I can think of.

The thought of him owning an NFL team is repugnant to me. If this deal goes through, I will never watch a Rams game!

Frank Joopiteer

Salt Lake City, UT

Oct 14 2009 - 1:40am

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This story is so factually wrong and misleading, it's sick. None of the links have firsthand, direct-source info. They're all from lefties who can't stand Limbaugh, which is fine and dandy if all they did was hate the guy. Since that's not enough, they manipulate every damn statement linked in this story.

1.) Limbaugh never said what this story claimed he said about slavery. Try to link to a soundbite or transcript of Rush saying what's alleged. Why is that so hard to do? It's such an awful statement that you'd think it would have been all over the place for years, direct from his mouth, huh? You can't link to that because there never ever was a statement like that. All you have are second-hand, third-hand, tenth-hand accounts. Why doesn't Zirin actually do some reporting so he doesn't look like an idiot? Does he like looking like an idiot? I must assume he adores it.

2.) The bus fight thing is a total joke. You link to the dopes at talkingpointsmemo, which did nothing but BS what Limbaugh said. I listen to the guy regularly, if you want a transcript or audio copy about what was actually said, e-mail me. He talked about it for a lot more than the one sentence you included, in the context of the "Is Your Baby Racist?" Newsweek cover story, speaking as a Newsweek moron who would come up with stupid cover stories for stupid magazines that wonder if every calendar in this country is off by about 150 years. If you actually heard what was said on the show, you would have to be at a height of stupidity, impossible to gauge without the aid of telescopes at Mauna Kea, to conclude what was posted at talkingpointsmemo. E-mail me if you want the two (not one) shows that went over all this in detail.

3.) The Crips and Bloods quote--tell me, Zirin, did you actually hear that show? Did you know about all the stuff that was said before that? Did you hear Limbaugh say that (gasp) "LaDainian Tomlinson, Marvin Harrison are the two classiest players in the National Football League," well before the Crips and Bloods part? Gee, aren't those two players black? Did you hear how he said the Crips and Bloods part? Did you hear that part? Not, did you read the transcript. Did you hear it being said, and how it was said, and how it was said in context with all the stuff that came before it? Did you hear what was said after that? Did you hear the caller after that sentence compare NFL players to gang members, and RL questioning what the hell the guy was talking about? Good God, Zirin, can you make any effort in at least pretending to be a journalist? You want a copy of that show, too? E-mail me.

4.) "Twelve percent, who the hell cares" quote--can you tell me where that came from, other than another lefty site that doesn't bother to say when it was said or if there was anything else said before or after that that might be helpful to what was actually said? Just asking. Not like there are any examples of how easy it is to screw with anyone's words.

Look, I don't want anyone at The Nation to get a hernia after attempting to do some real work. But if you promise to try next time, I'll buy you a real nice adjustable double truss.

W.B. Travis

Plano, TX

Oct 13 2009 - 11:17pm

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The sleazy Mr. Limbaugh and the amoral NFL are an apt match.

I have begun a personal boycott of the NFL since its acceptance of the" dog-torturer" back to the league. That acceptance was clearly for the fiscal interests of the owners not for the merciful interests of the (presumably rehabilitated) Mr. Vick.

Rock On! Scumballs.

William P. Rogers, MD

Muskogee, OK

Oct 13 2009 - 5:46pm

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This is ridiculous. If you actually listened to Rush you would know that he is not a racist. We all know that the real racists are on the left as much as anywhere else. This all about the politics of Mr Zirin and the other talking heads on the television. The only thing that Rush would make the team in St. Louis is winners.

Thomas Vencill

Albuquerque, NM

Oct 13 2009 - 1:26pm

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I'm not a sports fan. I remember being uncomfortable as a child whenever I heard about team "owners," especially when the majority of players were black. I always thought this in and of itself sounded like slavery.

Also, why do so many people walk around with T-shirts saying, "Property of (insert team/school athletic department)"? Sorry, but I am not anyone's "property"!

Larry Ladutke

Nutley, NJ

Oct 13 2009 - 9:31am

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So Goodell's "character" requirements which he "drones on" about are pertinent when it comes to Limbaugh, but they fly out the window when Zirin goes to the ends of the earth to defend scumbags like Vick and Burress (who just happen to be African-American). Don't get me wrong--I'm way liberal (far more liberal than our supply-side economics Wall Street-loving president, it seems) and wouldn't, um, produce water for Limbaugh if he was on fire, as they say. I wish NASA had stuck both Limbaugh and Beck on the latest lunar kamikaze mission to the moon. But Zirin, in trying to point out Goodell's hypothetical "hyprocisy," just proves his own.

Has a black athlete ever done or said anything they're culpable for, according to Mr. Zirin? If so, I don't remember it. His constant warblings about grace and forgiveness in America must only apply to athletes he likes. The world is so simple to Zirin that everything can be blamed on racism and/or Republicans. From his ridiculous attempt to find the double standard in the Serena Williams story (check the web letters for actual sensible takes on that incident) to his article on homophobia in football--what's to blame? Christianity, of course. Friggin' Teddy Roosevelt! Wow. While of course Christianity could play a part in it, I find it kind of odd that homophobia in the African-American community was never mentioned, nor were two of the most recent examples of antigay talk I can remember from NFL players, the late Reggie White (although he was a big conservative Christian, so Mr. Zirin is probably conflicted) and his homophobic statements, and Terrell Owens's "if it looks like a rat and smells like a rat" comments on his former QB Jeff Garcia's sexuality. That's not to say many of the redneck white players aren't just as homophobic, I just feel Mr. Zirin wouldn't have such reticence to point them out.

Mr. Zirin, I have to say, comes off like a cartoon character much of the time in his histrionics. He'll defend to the death anyone he judges to be on his "side" and will go out on a limb with some of the most ridiculous analogies possible to attack "them." Actually, "they" do need to be attacked, but emotional, often overstated work like Mr. Zirin's is just fodder the right uses to illustrate the stereotypical "wacky left." The world is a complex, shifting place, and it pays for one to be even-keeled as they navigate it.

Kevin Campbell

Louisville, KY

Oct 13 2009 - 2:55am

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